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http://bible-truths.com/23-minutes-in-hell.html (http://bible-truths.com/23-minutes-in-hell.html)
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Thanks Dennis!!
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wow! thanks Dennis
Dave
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Months of anticipation now over. Long live Ray!.
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http://bible-truths.com/23-minutes-in-hell.html (http://bible-truths.com/23-minutes-in-hell.html)
Thanks Ray and Dennis.
george.
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Thank you.
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:D ;DYou can, if you wish, take a stroll through hell in Jerusalem - it is now part of a city park.L. Ray Smith
Another Classic! You've got to love it!
Many thanks!
Arc
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Hello All,
Just saw Ray's New Paper on the Site for the first time, had to work a twelve hour shift and another one starting today at 4:00 PM. Decided to start printing segments of it in 20 page sections and will take the first twenty pages to work, hopefully it will be a laid back peacefull night, if it's God's Will.
KInd Regards, Samson.
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Ray wrote: "Bill Wiese says the grotesque monster pictured above is exactly like one he saw in his recent visit to hell."
In other words, hell is Mr. Wiese's bathroom mirror, psychologically speaking of course.
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Powerful.......Prolific........True.......Bookended!!
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The Sovereignty of God...There is nothing like it.
Skip
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Thanks to Ray for an awesome effort. Thank you Dennis. I can hardly wait to read it. :)
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Thanks to all that have made this available!
Joel
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As I read section by section I am amazed at the wealth of Scriptural teaching in this paper. Wow is an understatement. Ray really worked hard on this and it shows. I was inspired to email Bill Wiese and question some of his work. Don't think it will help but did it anyway. It's all part of His grand plan. Thanks Ray, Dennis and the others behind the scene.
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I had never watched Weiss's videos or read his booklet as I had learned a number of years ago that the more far out/fantastic the various visions, prophecy's, dreams and claims being that are on the internet today the more bizarre and unbelievable they get. For whatever reason many want their fancies scratched and if something they hear lines up with what they already believe to be plausable they lap it right up. W.C. Fields is known to have coined the phrase (I think it was him) 'There is a sucker born every minute' and this is true in the religious realms above all.
I'm only about 3/4 of the way through the article at this point and I can only read about 10 to 15 minutes at a time and I have to do something else for a bit. The excerpts of Bill's claims that Ray has shared in refuting his statements leaves me feeling polluted and filthy. The biggest miracle in this whole paper is that Ray could subject himself to Weise's spiritual swill for 8 to 10 hours at a time almost every day for the last several months to write this magnificent paper. And indeed the darkness that is on Christians spirits that they could read Bill's claims and lap it up as gospel is amazing even to me considering some of the things I used to believe. God bless Ray for enduring to write this article during a time of great physical challenges and I hope Ray is now able to rest and heal up for a bit before he tackles his next challenge. As God leads I will link back to this article and I hope God uses this to lead many to his wonderful truths for his entire creation.
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I can't believe Bill's misunderstandings of heat shields for re-entry. If he realized that the heat shields were on the space vehicle it'd go something like this:
We were racing towards the Earth at approximately 16,000 mph. I cried "jesus, slow down. We don't have our heat shields and will disentigrate upon re-entry. But unfortunately, sound doesn't travel in space so jesus couldn't hear me."
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I'm on page 32. This is sickening:
"In Chapter 5 Bill gives examples of the lectures that he and his wife conduct throughout the country. On page 66 of his
book, Bill gives us an example of how his lecture affected one little seven year old girl who attended one of his lectures with
her mother. After the lecture the mother brought the little girl (who had been crying) up to meet Mr. Wiese and relayed to
him what her daughter had said:
"'We have to tell our neighbors about Jesus, because they are going to hell!' She was so upset that she was sobbing at the
thought of her neighbors perishing in such a horrible place."
Rather than showing remorse for causing such fear and pain in a little seven-year-old child, Bill presents this shameful
escapade as a virtue. Unbelievable. What are we to think of a man who would show pictures of such repulsive and
hideously grotesque monsters as shown on our title page, to little children? And at his lectures he not only shows pictures,
but videos of such disgusting and vile monsters while countless people are screaming insanely in vast cauldrons of fire.
We have movie codes to protect little children from such emotion destroying spectacles, yet churches feel perfectly
comfortable showing such spiritual pornographic slime to little children. And far worse, these little children are told that it is
the God that they learned to worship in Sunday school Who created these monsters to torture millions of people
(grandmothers) for all eternity in twelve thousand degree fire."
Ughh! I'd never read the book or watched the video, and I apologize if I gave the impression that this sort of sick mentality is something to be laughed off. It's not. This is horrible. I'd forgotten how this stuff can make you feel. Wiese is .... [insert adjective of your choice here]. Uggh!
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Hi Arion
I can strongly empathize with your observation that
The biggest miracle in this whole paper is that Ray could subject himself to Weise's spiritual swill for 8 to 10 hours at a time almost every day for the last several months to write this magnificent paper.
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I too felt loathe to see more evil and subject myself to more polluted filth but was strengthened and encouraged by what Ray said:Knowing truth also involves understanding the origin of these false doctrines of the Church.
We have to know good from evil.
2Co 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
Ray doesn’t offer weak denials but presents proof with evidence that refutes the carnal imaginations of exaltation against the knowledge of God.
A job well done, that has been prepared before hand by God for Ray to walk in!
The follow up of bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ may require the resurrection of the dead because Ray sure kills the doctrines of demons in their tracks! It is also a weapon of our warfare that brings into captivity (not willingly of the one captured, but against their “will” as in being dragged) against the knowledge of God or escaping the destruction of wood and stubble that is burnt by the fire of God’s Consuming Spirit.
Ray is certainly a sent laborer in the Word of God who is worthy of our love and appreciation to God for him. I also think Ray has got it right that only a hand full of people, figuratively speaking, will care to read this paper and assimilate its contents. Much like in the time of Moses, the Hebrews wanted nothing to do with God and preferred Moses to go up the mountain alone. :)
I don't see Ray as Moses but rather the peoplewho followed Moses are still with us today. Ray is like an Advocate who I blieve, rightly or wrongly, this is my feeling, that Ray could join his pen to John's in the following words of care and council to us.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
What is heartening is that God has a benevolent Plan and Purpose to all of this. That is Good News that garrisons our peace in faith through God's Grace and divine influence on our hearts through it all!
Arc
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I did a price check at Staples for a black & white copy of the new paper: price starts at $16. You can also add things like binding, 3-hole punching, etc. for an additional price.
The paper, when copied to a Word document or PDF, is about 175 pages. I would suggest having a printing company make a copy instead of using all of your personal ink/toner. You want to remember that there are a few pictures in the paper which will use up even more ink.
Just an FYI,
Marques
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I've been doing a little looking around on the Internet about Mr. Weise. I found his website and won't duplicate the link but for only $29.95 you can get his book and an audio CD of his message. Wonder how much his videos are? There are so many versions that say so many different things you would probably have to buy 6 or 7 of them to get the whole story. LOL
Also stumbled across a web forum that is not Christian but they were talking about his 'book' after it came out and some of the things they said were quite interesting. Here are a few snippets.....
Here's a man who wrote a book about his experience in hell. Apparently he spent 23 minutes there before God pulled him out. He believes that hell is located beneath the earth's surface because he talks about "people up on the surface of the earth." His book titled, "23 Minutes in Hell" is on the Christian book list at Beliefnet.com.
Here's some excerpts from the book by Bill Weise: [excerpts]
Question: If hell is below us in the earth, aren't the oil companies who drill for oil taking a chance on poking Satan in the head?
What a load of crap, he had some dream in which he thinks he went to hell. He probably felt sub/unconciously that he has sinned against god and is not sure if he's saved and thus his brain developed this elaborate dream from either random fireings of the brain and/or drugs he took and/or because of lack of oxygen to the brain and/or drugs.
23 Minutes in Hell? Only 23? Hmm...I thought the whole thing about hell was that it was eternal punishment.
this guy is just cashing in on "90 Minutes in Heaven" - a book that has been selling like crazy in Christian circles.
So these so-called near death experiences go against "god's word". You cannot die, go to heaven or hell, and then come back to die a second time. Maybe his next book will tell us about his experience in Hogwarts.
Wow, what a dreadfully-written piece of fiction. Sounds like a high school freshman wrote it.
The only way I could believe a story like that is if it started with, "So I finally decided to try LSD and..."
I agree. [reference high school freshman wrote it] And this great work of bs is among the books on the Christian reading list on beliefnet.com along with Focus on the Family's James Dobson's book on raising Christian children. These right-wing Christian authors push this ridiculous bs on their followers while warning against atheist "propaganda". Yet, I've never seen an athesist author try to convince his readers that fantasy is true. Fellow atheists would hold him up to severe scrutiny. Such scrutiny is rare among Christians.
Making money off of the christian faith. I would do it too, if I didn't have MORALS. Except I would write a song, you know, Cartman style... not waste the time writing a silly, silly book.
Hahhahah. Can anybody tell me how I am supposed to suffer PAIN from even eternal fire if I am dead and have no body and NO nervous system ? Is my soul made from flesh then ?
Get HELL out of here! I want it on Mars !
I find it interesting how non Christians can gleem on to the foolishness of this and even non-believers know that God is too good to torture people but Christians don't know this. And yet, And yet I believed the same things for so many years. I can't believe now that I ever gave credence to it but I did. So I am no better, you know?
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I remember first time i listen to "23 minutes in hell" When i went on dts 4 years ago i think. And i cant believe my self how stupid it is to believe this. I think i have listen to it at least 6 times (got more exited every time). I got so upset and sad, to think about how many people was going to hell. So i was so close to take up the sword and tell the world. Also take a CD copy and give it to people to show whats going on. Off, thank god he brought me\us here:)
Good job Ray. I love your work:)
Funny post arion ;D
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Bill Wiese really is not a very bright person, but how many could have undertaken the task that Ray undertook in ripping the nonsense to shreds? Whoa, the contradictions are so STUPID.
Ray's right, it's a miracle that anyone could read this book and claim to be Christians and believe it hook, line and sinker, which gives credence to the scripture that not many wise, not many noble ... but God is choosing the foolish, the weak ... I feel a righteous anger toward the filth in an opportunistic real estate agent like Bill Wiese, etc., who say that they feel more love and mercy as a nonChristian, than they do as a saved Christian. But one would have to give up normal affections in order to be able to worship a "god" who creates grotesque monsters who never die, but live for eternity for the sole purpose of ripping the flesh off of human beings whose only sin was that they stole a pencil from their employer. It's gross. It's disgusting, and very few question it. I was terrified of questioning it. I never questioned my [im]pastors.
"God took it away that I was a Christian when I was in hell."
What, God took it away? Without Wiese's permission? So much for free moral agency.
The part about him hitting the "ground" 3,700 miles below the surface of the earth was so stupid. But I wouldn't have had the brains to notice that. You know, thank God for Ray for having the emotional and mental capacity to critique this. The sad thing is, even after we've been shown the truth, many times we don't know how to feel: "Well, I used to be deceived, and I don't want to hate because that's a sin, but how do I feel?" And we start flip flopping in our emotions because we're still afraid of upsetting God.
There is such a thing as righteous anger. And Bill is offending the "little ones," and I'm thinking of a millstone and the deepest part of the sea right about now - figuratively speaking, of course.
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Ray, you're a treasure. If I tired to write a paper such as this for the rest of my life I couldn't do it. God just hasn't gifted me that way. But when I read your words, and have my Bible open next to it, I know that He has gifted you. Thank you so much.
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Ray, you're a treasure. If I tired to write a paper such as this for the rest of my life I couldn't do it. God just hasn't gifted me that way. But when I read your words, and have my Bible open next to it, I know that He has gifted you. Thank you so much.
Ditto to that.
I read the paper . And the next day went to visit my neighbours. An older couple, precious and very conservative. The husband stayed home on Sunday cause he cant hear at church anymore so he listened to the radio service. It was a full hell fire and brimstone fest.
He asked me what I believe, something he never does in this area. God never gave me a gift for words or explanation. I don't need it after Rays papers,
What you give ,Ray, is certainty. That belief shows through when I speak cause its not me, its all scriptural.
Of everything I have read penned by contemporary man, Bible truths has given me the most peace, the most illumination, the most joy. Ray allowed me to see the bible as it was meant to be seen, without the brainwashing.
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Far be it for me to cast dispersions at the very works of Yahweh's hands as He made us all with varying degrees of physical attractiveness according to His purpose, but that was one UGLY "preacher" that L.Ray placed at the top of his paper! Which "evangelistic network" did L.Ray find him, I wonder?
Looks like the same preacher who sent me to hell in his fiery sermon when I was "invited" as a guest to a church as a teenager! During "alter call" he paced the aisle staring straight at me - I guess because I did not come forward!
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i have been sharing the link to Ray's new paper on my fb account.....and of course i have been getting 'roasted alive' (pardon the pun) .....i have said it before, i will say it again....i can't imagine why ANYONE would cling tooth & nail to such a dispicable disgusting belief as hell.....after praying for years 'please God don't let it be true"....what a relief it was to me to find out it wasn't true.....thank you God for opening my eyes....i only pray for those held captive by this evil teaching.....but it looks like they DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT!....=(
lauri
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"what a relief it was to me to find out it wasn't true.....thank you God for opening my eyes"
And that's what everyone will say in the end, well maybe not litteral, but get the same feeling i quess (unsaved). That's why it is a master plan from God. For what bigger relief is it to see, then to see that everyone get the same love (God is love ;D), and no evil ;)
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Ironically, reading Ray's rebuttal makes me wanna read the book! I mean, it sounds so utterly ridiculous, yet entertaining at the same time! I can't help but laugh hysterically at some of the nonsense quotes from this guy's book! I gotta see them for myself! ;D
But in all seriousness, the sad part is that many people have purchased this book [making this fraudulent heretic rich!] and many of those who purchased and read it, actually believe it! Including Pastors and Theologians with college degrees!!! :'(
Personally, me thinks the demons in Bill's Hell have a higher IQ then he does... :D
Daywalker 8)
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So these so-called near death experiences go against "god's word". You cannot die, go to heaven or hell, and then come back to die a second time. Maybe his next book will tell us about his experience in Hogwarts.
Wow, what a dreadfully-written piece of fiction. Sounds like a high school freshman wrote it.
The only way I could believe a story like that is if it started with, "So I finally decided to try LSD and..."
Hahahaha... now that's funny!
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Yay I just got my computer and internet back and I get to read a new paper! sweet :)
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Ironically, reading Ray's rebuttal makes me wanna read the book! I mean, it sounds so utterly ridiculous, yet entertaining at the same time! I can't help but laugh hysterically at some of the nonsense quotes from this guy's book! I gotta see them for myself! Grin
But in all seriousness, the sad part is that many people have purchased this book [making this fraudulent heretic rich!] and many of those who purchased and read it, actually believe it! Including Pastors and Theologians with college degrees!!! Cry
Actually dw, I don't think the folks actually read the book. Like so many detractors who email Ray with their god AWFUL distortions of his papers. When pressed they say the usual CYA stuff like "well I glanced at", "I skimmed over" but never actually R-E-A-D-I-N-G it.
Though Ray called this thing "the most poorly written, poorly researched, and the absolute worst scholarship that I have ever read." He does a disservice to use the word scholarship, this farce doesn't even come close to being called such. Having said that, we know that God's purpose is being fufilled with "books" like this, as Paul noted in Romans 1
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
O Father, I pray that you reveal more of your incorruptible truths to those whom you have lead to read the truths about this fiction which you have blessed Brother Ray Smith to present in spite of his own discomforts. We learned more and more, that your Grace is sufficient to help him and ourselves endure. May we learn to embrace our trials, sufferings, and fears, so that, by the presence of your son Jesus, we can overcome them. Teach us to be merciful to those like Bill Weise, whom you have blinded. For we were once blind to a lot of your truths such as this one. In the name of Jesus the Christ I pray, Amen.
Ches
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Well, being firmly in the camp of the ET's for a number of years it's easy to understand why they buy into it and why the reject the universal salvation that Christ purchased on the cross for all his creation. I was taught about hell as a young believer and then you read our english bibles that have the word 'hell' in it and Jesus said that people were going to go there it was pretty much a slam dunk to accept what we were taught. It never occurred to most the contradiction of seeing in the scriptures that God IS love and that love NEVER fails and that Christ died for ALL and that he IS the savior of the world then to compare that with the teaching of eternal torture for temporal sins. For myself I never understood the idea of 'hell' but I thought that God is perfect and whatever He does is right so if He created a hell and sends people there then it is right and who am I to question it?
But then in the fullness of times God uses people like Ray and a few others to properly exegete the words that are used in the scriptures that the theologians translated into 'hell' and how the hell teaching came from the old mystery religions originally and the church borrowed these despicable teachings on hell and crafted words in the New Testament to translate into hell, [mystery babylon the great indeed!!] then with the power of God to remove the scales from the eyes it all falls into place. Now the scriptures make total sense to me, they harmonize one with another and don't contradict anymore. One of the most powerful proofs for me is the teaching that scripture always interprets scripture....that we need at least two scriptural references for an interpretation...that no scripture is it's own interpretation. (2 Peter 1:20)
The most frightening scripture in the whole bible is this one...
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Of course it's demonstrably proven that almost everything in the book of revelation is symbolic and allegory yet the church teaches that this particular scripture is indeed literal but then they don't provide any other scriptural witnesses to properly explain it. The only scripture that does explain it is this one.
1 Cor 11-15 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
I share this for the benefit of any of our guests that may be reading this. The churches never tell us or explain the above in reference to the scripture in revelation do they? Our God IS a consuming fire. The fire of God burns the mans work and not the man!! The carnal and fleshy works of men are burned. Once God turns on the powerful searchlight of his blinding truth in our lives the scales are removed and now we understand. Oh, the sorrow that many will have in standing before their Lord on that day when they now understand how miserably they misrepresented him to a dying world.
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I think Ray inferred that this work was a money making scam for the author and those involved and it sounds like it did do that successfully.
cp
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Arion those are classic!!!
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THANK GOD FOR BILL WIESE, AND HIS BOOK "23 MINUTES IN HELL"!!!
....if it wasn't for him, and the dozens of emails that Ray received from proponents of his book urging him to read it, we may never have been blessed with such an
AWESOME REBUTTAL!!!
;) :D ;D
Daywalker 8)
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It amazes me that a person could write a book such as this, sell how many thousands of copies of it and probably make millions of dollars..and everyone thinks this is such a good book...THEN when we tell someone there is no hell and that it's just not there..and that God will save all...they call US crazy!! Suddenly we are hell bound..we are of the devil..we are evil!! WHAT??? :o if you tell someone that God is LOVE and that His plan is to save everyone and that he's no tyrant...we are shunned..BUT all you have to do is write a book about monsters and horrible torture by our "just" God..and you suddenly have all the credibility you need to sell all that idiotic puke??? Very frustrating!! >:( I'm glad that God (the REAL God) has all this under control!
Kathy :'(
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THANK GOD FOR BILL WIESE, AND HIS BOOK "23 MINUTES IN HELL"!!!
....if it wasn't for him, and the dozens of emails that Ray received from proponents of his book urging him to read it, we may never have been blessed with such an
AWESOME REBUTTAL!!!
;) :D ;D
Daywalker 8)
I agree!
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It amazes me that a person could write a book such as this, sell how many thousands of copies of it and probably make millions of dollars..and everyone thinks this is such a good book...THEN when we tell someone there is no hell and that it's just not there..and that God will save all...they call US crazy!! Suddenly we are hell bound..we are of the devil..we are evil!! WHAT??? :o if you tell someone that God is LOVE and that His plan is to save everyone and that he's no tyrant...we are shunned..BUT all you have to do is write a book about monsters and horrible torture by our "just" God..and you suddenly have all the credibility you need to sell all that idiotic puke??? Very frustrating!! >:( I'm glad that God (the REAL God) has all this under control!
Kathy :'(
It's very sad.
I was in a conversation with a young man who'd gone to Moody Bible Institute. He was not stupid. But he believes that God sends unrepentant sinners to "hell" if they die in their sins. When I prodded him a little, he said to me that I was nuts to even hint that he wasn't bothered by the possible destiny of some of his family members.(!)
He assured me he'd spent "hours" crying over their final destiny.
I said, 'Merely "hours"'? Hold on! Let me get this straight. You believe that your loved ones could likely end up spending eternity in some horrid "hell," and you've only managed to squeeze out a few sobs, by comparison?! You mean to tell me you're still able to work and function normally, and eat three square meals a day? Wow! I don't think we're clear on what their possible final destiny is, according to you."
They really don't think about the doctrine (they can't).
They're going the broad way to destruction and on their way:
1. They're filtering out gnats: "But you can't possibly be right -- I mean, you don't even go to church, and just look at how you're talking to me now; you're not being Christlike; to "hell" with you and your tone of voice!"
2. Whilst gulping down the camel of eternal torment. (And take your Lamb with you, darn it!)
If it wasn't so blasphemous, it'd be funny.
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You sum it up so well GM. Very well. I'm going to send your post along to a friend or two if you don't mind,
cp
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God's will be done. :)
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Thanks. I read it and it was marvelous book, I mean really MARVELOUS, I marveled all the way through it. And Ray again another great job.
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I'm on page 32.
How do you get the article in page format? It would be easier for me to find where I left off if I could see the page numbers! 8)
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You all can pm me and I can send you a pdf file of the article. Please include an email address to send it to.
Craig
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Hi Extol,
I print it, but in the print command menu I select "print to .pdf," instead of my actual printer, which you should be able to do also, since anyone can download Adobe Reader for free.
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Hi
Ray's new paper has been out for two weeks now ,and is all over the internet.I'm just wondering whether there has been any response to it from either Bill Wiese or any of his supporters? I suspect probably not.
Dave
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Hi
Ray's new paper has been out for two weeks now ,and is all over the internet.I'm just wondering whether there has been any response to it from either Bill Wiese or any of his supporters? I suspect probably not.
Dave
Nothing yet Dave.
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Thanks Ray,
I have spent most of this afternoon reading Ray's paper refuting the lies in Bill Wiese's book "23 Minutes in Hell". I so very much appreciate Ray for the many hours he spent in writing this paper, especially knowing the suffering he is experiencing. I do think this paper will open many eyes to the lies and distortions found in Christianity. Ray's rebuttal of the lies and untruths of this book will be read by many and will open many eyes to the deceptions and lies of Christianity. I doubt that Bill Wiese would ever respond as the evidence is overwhelming.
Let us all continue praying and supporting Ray with the ultimate hope that Ray will find the healing we all want. His scholarship, understanding and exposition is much needed in this evil time. There is so much more that he can do to open the truths of our GOD to the world.
Hang in there Ray, we need you, the world needs you and our prayer is that GOD will continue to use you as HE has.
In HIM,
Phil3:10
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I'm sort of butting heads on facebook with a friend of a friend over the hell issue. She brought up someone having actually written about spending minutes in hell. I wrote back and said yes, 23 minutes in hell (lol) and told her I was reading about it here at the site. Oh Lordy, lol.