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Okay, I'm tired of sugar, and eating unhealthy. I work out a lot. (I do P90X.) But I haven't really changed my diet much, except to add more protien. So I'm thinking about going vegetarian. The number one reason is, I want to eat more healthy. And number two, I have Keratosis pilaris (Small bumps around the hair follicle.) on my arms and legs. I've tried lots of things to get rid of them, but they won't go away. So I thought a diet change might help. I'm considering going to a naturopath for a "Vega" test for food sensitivity. (Yes, I know it's inaccurate, but it's also worked for a lot of people, or so I've read.) Anyway, here would be my diet every day of the week. I based it around a guy on Youtube who did P90X for an entire year, and looks great. Here it is:
Breakfast
Large bowl of oatmeal
1-2 Bananas
1st snack
1 oz. (more/less) of cheese
half of a 400+ calorie protien bar
Granola bar
Gatorade
Whey Protein Powder (When I work out.)
Lunch
2 Cups of leafy greens (Salad)
1 oz. parmesan cheese
Italian Dressing
Vegetarian Chicken Patty
2nd Snack
1 oz. (more/less) of cheese
half of a 400+ calorie protien bar
Granola bar
Dinner
1 Cup of brown rice
1 Cup mixed vegetables.
Vegetarian Chicken Patty
And, that's disgusting, but I'm going to do it. I eat way too much processed meat. (Ham, turkey.) That I'm sure isn't good for me. If I test negative for dairy, I'll have to switch the cheese for something else.
Edit: That's only about 2300 calories a day. I was aiming for more. Let me see here... Adding two oz. of nuts will add about 300 calories a day. Maybe that, plus some things from my P90X diet book that doesn't contain meat. I think I can do this.
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Hey Buddy!
Make sure that vegetarian chicken patty is NOT made with Soy! MEN SHOULD NEVER EAT SOY!! Soy is a phyto estrogen (it mimics estrogen in the body) women should never eat soy,either...estrogen...bad...I'd rather see you eat peanut butter, my friend!! you can use beans...you can look up some recipes for vegetarian patties made with beans...lentils...I was a vegetarian for 15 years...I used to use a lot of soy...remember if you use soy use it in the form of soy sauce...fermented soy is ok...now that means anything with "textured vegetable protein"....another word for granulated soy....avoid it!!!
Educate yourself, dude!! ;) your best bet?? stay away from white flour products and sugar...sugar is your enemy....except in fruit and otherwise healthy stuff like that! concentrate on variety! red, green, yellow, blue, purple...Bryant...EAT A RAINBOW EVERY DAY!!! Don't worry, be happy!!! ;D To your health!!
Kathy ;)
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I don't know. From what I've read, soy isn't that bad. People in east Asia have been eat soy as long as people have been there.
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Listen or watch Dr. Steger's presentation from the bible conference if you have not heard it. You'll get some great health ideas that will probably be pretty helpful for you.
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Well, I think they use mainly fermented soy...I need to check on that, cause I'm no expert!!! :)
Just do your homework!! and remember to be happy!! A merry heart doeth good like a medicine!! Proverbs 17:22 :)
Kathy ;)
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Kathy is right. Processed soy is not your friend.
Watch your dairy. Buy raw cheese. Tastes the same but is good for you with organic calcium.
Watch the high fructose corn syrup. (gatorade)
You should make homemade granola. I have a great recipe and it is so good.
The boxed stuff will be loaded with sugar.
Find a healthy protein powder. If you are buying it from a store, not using the best stuff. I can
tell you about 2 that are the good whey.
Raw nuts and seeds are great protein and a good snack too.
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Geez, Lin, we are going to get this boy healthy!!! :) hehehe!!
Kathy ;)
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I think you can get gatorade with the HFC. This doesn't have to be my definite meal play. I've been looking through this diet book I have, I think I'll switch it up some throughout the week. Here it is again:
Breakfast
Large bowl of oatmeal
1-2 Bananas
Cal: 425-530
Sugar: 40-54g
Protein: 9-10g
Carbs: 93-120g
1st snack
1 oz. (more/less) of cheese
half of a 400+ calorie protien bar
Granola bar
Gatorade
Cal: 519
Sugar: 18g
Protein: 24g
Carbs: 36.4g
Whey Protein Powder (When I work out.)
Cal: 240
Sugar: 1g
Protein: 24g
Carbs: 3g
Lunch
2 Cups of leafy greens (Salad)
1 oz. parmesan cheese
Italian Dressing
Vegetarian Chicken Patty
Cal: 219
Sugar: 1g
Protein: 21.4g
Carbs: 11g
2nd Snack
1 oz. (more/less) of cheese
half of a 400+ calorie protien bar
Granola bar
Cal: 519
Sugar: 18g
Protein: 24g
Carbs: 36.4g
Dinner
1 Cup of brown rice
1 Cup mixed vegetables.
Vegetarian Chicken Patty
Cal: 408
Sugar: 5.6g
Protein: 18.7g
Carbs: 64.7g
Total:
Cal: 2330
Sugar: 83.6g
Protein: 121.1g
Carbs: 244.5g
I'm guessing my carbs shouldn't be twice my protien, should they? Here is the protein powder I use:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/whey.html (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/whey.html)
and bars:
http://www.supremeprotein.com/carb-conscious-supreme-protein-bars.php (http://www.supremeprotein.com/carb-conscious-supreme-protein-bars.php)
But I'm not really interested in switching ether of those.
EDIT: I added some things to bring my protein up:
Breakfast
Large bowl of oatmeal
1 Banana
6 Egg Whites
Cal: 521
Sugar: 40g
Protein: 30.6g
Carbs: 94.2g
1st snack
1 oz. (more/less) of cheese
half of a 400+ calorie protien bar
Granola bar
Gatorade
Cal: 519
Sugar: 18g
Protein: 24g
Carbs: 36.4g
Whey Protein Powder (When I work out.)
Cal: 240
Sugar: 1g
Protein: 24g
Carbs: 3g
Lunch
2 Cups of leafy greens (Salad)
1 oz. parmesan cheese
Italian Dressing
Vegetarian Chicken Patty
3.oz Salmon, Fresh
Cal: 394
Sugar: 1g
Protein: 40.2g
Carbs: 11g
2nd Snack
1 oz. (more/less) of cheese
half of a 400+ calorie protien bar
Granola bar
Cal: 519
Sugar: 18g
Protein: 24g
Carbs: 36.4g
Dinner
1 Cup of brown rice
1 Cup mixed vegetables.
Vegiterian Chicken Strips
Cal: 468
Sugar: 2.6g
Protein: 32.7g
Carbs: 63.7g
Total:
Cal: 2661
Sugar: 80.6g
Protein: 175.5g
Carbs: 244.7g
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Hi Bryant~
Do you know what blood type you are? That makes a big difference in what you eat. There are a lot of "healthy" foods, even fruits and vegetables, that are not so good for you if you're a certain blood type. For example, oranges and strawberries are harmful to blood type-O, tomatoes are bad for type-B, etc. Meat can be beneficial if you're a type O, whereas a vegetarian diet works best if you're type A. Type B is the only type for which dairy products are beneficial.
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Is that true? I didn't know that. How can I find out? My Dad's is type-O, and my Mom's is type-A.
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Hi Lupac,
I think a healthier diet will be very beneficial for you in many ways. You really need to make sure your new diet is balanced, there are so many things that the body needs to function properly. I'm just thinking if you do not set up a good meal plan, then you may be setting up yourself for failure. Why not find a reputable naturopath and let them help you set up a proper diet? They will have a lot of knowledge in this and can advise you on supplements you will need too.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Well, if I eat that last plan I posted, with a good multi-vitamin, it should do the trick. I'm kind of weary of naturopathic doctors. They remind me of this episode Seinfeld:
(If this is too "offensive" let me know, or just remove it.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHxRkXrBMKo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHxRkXrBMKo)
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Oh my, that was pretty funny ;D
Well sometimes there does seem to be an information overload, I've read so much and it can be conflicting. Keep searching to find what is right for you, I guess you can may improvements to your diet as need be.
Kat
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I'm kind of weary of naturopathic doctors.
And that would be wise. Certain diets and ways of life (green) have become a religious experience for many of the followers. A person will not live one day longer than God ordained them to from the beginning of time. Most of these diets and lifestyle changes can be had by using common sense approaches. Don't abuse your body with all meat, or all veggies, or all processed foods, a little of everything in moderation. Whether you abuse or take care of your body won't delay the days of your life on this earth as ordained by God. But your quality of life can be made better if you take care of your body.
It's true a crack head that abuses their body may live to be 25 years old before their body breaks down and if they had ate healthy and not abused their body could live to see 80. But that was not the path that God gave them, some are created for honor and some for dishonor. In their 25 years of life they did learn the lesson God created them to learn and their lives touched others who also learned their own lessons.
As far as the people who push a special diet or food, etc. Follow the money, most would not hawk their wares or publish their beliefs if they did not make money. Same with religious characters, if they didn't make money they would try something else. I never saw a diet peddled that someone was not making money off it. Either, by books or selling the foods or supplements. And why do people who may have a new dietary approach such as the one Samson posted the other day, have to lie and claim another source provided their information? (not you Samson, the original author) People follow some of these charlatan's the same as they do a religious leader, with the same fervor and the truth be damned.
Ray gives away the word of God. He could lay out his teaching of the scriptures and make allot of money. Ray would not be a holding conferences in a small hotel room paid with by his own funds, he could fill up an arena somewhere and people would give a ton of money when he asked for it. But he does not make a dime, he uses any money donated to pay for search terms to come up on the internet and to pay for the website. The money is used to provide good news and freedom to those who are led to respond to the truth. If Ray charged for this information I would run the other way, but many others would pay and worship Ray. That is just the way the carnal mind works.
I'm not saying that following a certain diet or way to live is wrong, if God leads you to do this then you will do it. But turning it into a personal idol is adding chains to your life and leaves less room for dieing to self and less room for Christ to live in you.
We all have our own personal idols, if we can recognize them then we can pray for deliverance from them.
I like seeing diets that people have tried, I could use a good diet, and sometimes I can pick out things that I can incorporate in my life. But posting a diet or lifestyle and preaching a diet or lifestyle is two different things.
This is not directed to anyone on the forum, it is just a general observation that I see everywhere in our lives, from TV, Papers, Books etc. and my opinion. (it might be worth a penny ;D) Maybe I can write a book and make lots of money ???
Someday none of this will matter when He is all in all.
Craig
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Craig, thanks for the Spiritual food for thought,it is a breath of fresh air... ;)
Peace...Mark
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Craig, your wisdom as usual is like that rainbow I told Bryant to eat!
Bright and colorful!! :)
Kathy ;)
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Is that true? I didn't know that. How can I find out? My Dad's is type-O, and my Mom's is type-A.
The only way that I know of is to donate blood, and they will then list your blood type on your donor card. I went to do this last week [because I still don't know my type], but unfortunately I nearly passed out after my finger was pricked. :-X I guess I had not eaten enough that day. :D
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Go to amazon.com and type "blood type test kit" in the search area and some will come up. I think you can buy these at drug stores also.
Craig
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Extol... We know you are just squeamish and faint at the sight of blood! The bravest men are scared of needles! Good thing in wars they don't use needles as weapons... No one would fight!! Heehee!!
:) ;D
Kathy ;)
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Extol... We know you are just squeamish and faint at the sight of blood! The bravest men are scared of needles! Good thing in wars they don't use needles as weapons... No one would fight!! Heehee!!
:) ;D
Kathy ;)
Hey cut it out!!! ;D Ha ha, I'm not afraid of the needles, or the blood, and the pricking didn't hurt at all. . . yet I still got really hot and pale!! lol
Thanks for the info Craig, I think I will get one of these kits. :)
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The eating for your bloodtype is pretty controversial. I do believe we are one of 3 types however. But the 3 types have to do with protein and carbs.
There are people who can live long and healthy on a vegetarian diet and others who start out strong and then begin getting sick on it.
And all vegetarians have to supplement B12 which tells me that we were meant to eat meat. It is the quantity and quality that seems to be at issue.
Moderation is definitely the key and getting ample sunshine hitting your body (without sunscreen to block it), eating live foods and not all dead, drinking lots of pure water, and making things from scratch. Pretty much common sense really.
My mentor whom I dearly loved who was the healthiest woman I knew and who ate extremely well dropped dead of an anurism at age 61 while my father who did NOTHING to take care of himself died at 73. He was in a nursing home and sickbed for his last years while she was literally building a house up to the minute before she died and was ministering to many people with love daily. There is no comparison to the quality of life issue.
Obviously your time to go is pre-ordained by God but I also know that learning this information that has kept my kids in perfect health up to now was also all from Him.
For that I am very thankful.
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Craig, excellent post you made. I enjoyed it very much.
Here I go with plant talk again, but it does relate to diet and nutrition.
We are so similar to plants in the way of nutrient needs and the components that we are made up of.
I'm going to give an example of a plant grown in hydroponics. I sample the water for total dissolved solids. If TDS is 150ppm and I'm aiming for a TDS of 700 of nute levels then I add micro and macro nutrients until I reach this number.I have to consider that the tap water of 150 will consist of calcium,iron,mag, chlorine and all that other junk thats in there, but the number is small enough that the impurities will never be noticed unless I'm growing a plant in organics. Chlorine will kill microorganisms and off set the entire organic system resulting in an unstable environment that weakens the immune system. Ok back to hydro plants. Hydroponic is an absolute complete controled system of precise nutrients applied to plants 3-5 times daily. PH adjustments are made daily with either phos. acid, or nitric acid. PH is the most important factor in hydro or soil. In hydro the slightest change in PH will cause nutrient lock up that prevents the plants intake of nutrients in the order that they require to stay healthy. I can give them the minimum or the maximum amount of nutrient levels and keep them healthy only if the Ph is ideal. A little shift each day up or down doesn't harm them, but a consistent unbalanced Ph will result in weak plants that literally starve of nutrients that has been provided to them but they can't receive them as they should because of the nute lock up. They become susceptible to disease just as we do.
Organic is basically the same way. PH imbalance takes longer to notice, and also longer to correct.
I think that we are the same as plants in that we can eat what is good for us and as Craig said moderation is the thing, but if our PH is imbalanced then we become just as the plant. All foods affect PH. PH is acidic which is not healthy. The slightest shift in PH affects our entire system.
PH balance will prevent us from getting many illnesses and disease, even cancer. Its much tougher to make adjustments after your sick and might not heal you at all.
PH is the key to nutrition.
Some where you can find a list of foods that affect PH and how to keep it level by avoiding too much of the things that cause it.All of the side by side test I have performed on many types of plants showed that a perfectly strong healthy plant was always in every case became ill due to PH shift. PH is always the first and main factor to most illness in plants.
I can check my body PH daily and its always acidic of an average of 5.5. Not good at all. I'm getting nutrients but not receiving all of them. Nutrient lock up.
Hope this is useful in someway. I've provided a link about body pH.Many links are out there if you want to check.
http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/phbalancearticle.html
Roy
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Can you eat lime? Just wondering, you know, to bring acid down.
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Hi Lupac,
Here is a list to help you see what foods are considered alkaline forming and which are acidic forming. But note that these lists vary somewhat from site to site.
Alkaline - Acidic Foods
Acidic Foods
-Corn
-Meat
-Beans
-Fish
-Fowl
-Most grains
-Coffee
-Plums
-Prunes
-Cranberries
-Distilled water
Very Acidic Foods and Supplements Include
-Eggs
-Liver and other organ meats
-Gravy
-Broth made from bones or other animal parts
-Wine
-Yogurt with active cultures
-Buttermilk, including buttermilk pancakes and biscuits
-Sour cream
-Most fermented foods and aged cheeses
-Some B vitamin supplements (or foods supplemented with B vitamins) can make your stomach more acid
-Hydrochloric acid supplements
-Digestive enzymes
Alkaline Foods
-Most fruits, except as noted above
-Most vegetables, except as noted above
Very Alkaline Foods Include
-Bananas
-Chocolate
-Figs
-Mineral water
-Orange juice
-Potatoes
-Spinach
-Watermelon
-Dandelion Greens
The chart categorizes a food as either acidic or alkaline based on the effect consumption of the food has on urine pH. For example, if a food tends to increase the acidity of urine after it is ingested, it is classified as an acid forming food. Conversely, if a food increases the alkalinity of urine after it has been ingested, it was classified it as an alkaline forming food. The effect foods have on urine pH may be quite different than the pH of the foods themselves. For example, orange juice is a highly acidic food due to its high citrus acid content, but after being metabolized it will cause urine to become alkaline.
http://www.ctds.info/acidic-foods.html
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Great list Kat, I'm going to print it and hang on the frig.
Lupac you want to keep the pH alkaline.Its not likely that you'll ever need to lower it.
Roy
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It's not just the high fructose corn syrup in the gatoraid, it's the artificial coloring that's bad for you.
My hubby doesn't need a needle to make him squirm, he thought my masseuse was to ruff with him ::) men... ;D
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Good Points Craig,
Technically, your right, these Diet Guru's wouldn't advocate their methods, unless they made money. That Post I made the other day from Kat's thread was actually from an Email my Dad sent me, I didn't necessarily agree with all of it, but thought it was interesting. As you stated from your Post and I agree, Balance is the Key. That's why I don't personally advocate an overly vegetarian Diet. Our Bodies are made up of primarily of Water, Minerals and Amino Acids. Complete Proteins found in Meat, Fish, Chicken, Cheese, etc have all the of the Ten essential Amino Acids and probably all 22 Amino Acids. All I know is that, when I eat primarily Protein Foods and a regular intake of mostly green vegetables with a small amount of starches, I do very well. However, your right, all of this Diet business can become or already is, AN IDOL OF THE HEART. I will take your counsel and use it, because it displays much wisdom. I copied and pasted in blue a paragraph from your first Post that especially stood out for me, thankyou for this Post Craig, I sincerely appreciated it.
Craigs Point in Blue from his first Post on this thread found below.
As far as the people who push a special diet or food, etc. Follow the money, most would not hawk their wares or publish their beliefs if they did not make money. Same with religious characters, if they didn't make money they would try something else. I never saw a diet peddled that someone was not making money off it. Either, by books or selling the foods or supplements. And why do people who may have a new dietary approach such as the one Samson posted the other day, have to lie and claim another source provided their information? (not you Samson, the original author) People follow some of these charlatan's the same as they do a religious leader, with the same fervor and the truth be damned
Thanks, Samson.
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If you just leave as much processed stuff out as possible you'll be O.K. Especially artificial sweeteners,colors and flavors. Make the food yourself so you know what goes in it. Tortillas for example only have flour, water oil, salt and a little bakingpowder in it ,but have you seen the list of stuff on the wrapper of a storebought one ? Keep it simple, keep it fresh and on occasion when you treat yourself to some junkfood enjoy it just don't make a habit out of it.
I also use organic where i can,or at least the least processed version...unbleached flour,pure unbleached cane sugar, aluminumfree baking powder etc.
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Very good Sylvia.
I do want to say one thing. I do not disagree that there are too many people out to make themselves rich.
It is like everything else, there are a lot of bad (fill in the blank) but there are also good ones out there too. It is up to you to discern which are which. We've been blessed to find several really good doctors that aren't out for the money and actually care about the health of people. When you are being sued constantly for telling the truth, if you didn't really care, it'd be easy to say "forget this."
I know one in particular who had to add supplements to his website just to cover the lawsuits. Pretty sad.
I am teaching my children to make a living doing what they love. If you love helping people live a more healthy life, then why not choose that for your profession? I certainly don't think selling God should be a way to make money however.
We believe we have found a good balance in this area. We know too many people who are quite anal about what they eat and we are very flexible while trying to do the best for our family.
We did make food a god in the beginning and recognized that.