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=> General Discussions => Topic started by: Sorin on July 07, 2007, 09:11:09 PM
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Since The Bible is "one giant parable" as Ray Smith says, and since all those things were written for our admonition; I feel that I should share something that has come to my mind recently about why Adam also took of the apple, and did eat.
Well since Adam was not deceived, why do you suppose he took a bite anyways? Well, Adam seemed pretty lonely before God brought him Eve, and so when he finally got Eve, I think it's fair to say that he loved Eve. So since Eve ate of the forbidden tree, he knew/thought that
Eve was going to die, and thus because he loved her so much, he figured, that he would rather die with her than be without her. In so doing, he chose Eve over God.
Now, this is the part that relates to me. There is this girl I really like, but she is Agnostic, not a believer in Christ. And I am just like Adam
in that I am willing to choose her over God.
Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
I don't think Mat 10:37 applies only to father, mother, son, or daughter, but also, wife, husband, world, pleasures of the flesh, whatever.
Therefore I conclude, that I am unworthy of him.
Thoughts?
-Sorin
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Sorin,
This is perhaps the deepest question I have heard asked on this forum. But here is a question for you.
Who here would stand up and say that they are worthy of God or of His love given them? Certainly NOT I. :(
You are in good or perhaps not good company brother.
I would like to add, that knowingly and willingly sinning even when knowing one shouldn't cannot be going against God, because who can? Therefore, how can one stand firm against anything, if it is NOT God's will for one to do so?
There is much to learn in this and I am struggling, yet I continue my quest to gain understanding, sinning all the while. Go figure...... :)
Great post Sorin!!
Love to you in Christ,
Darren
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Thanks for the kind words Darren. And you are right in that, who can stand firm against anything if it's not God's will that they do so.
Take care,
Sorin
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Hi Sorin,
"For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." (Luke 12: 34)
It is true, if you want to be among the faithful, that this truth will be a top priority.
I think you are saying you will not be happy unless you can have a wife and home, this is anormal desire for a young adult.
Do you think that this girl could not except what you bellieve, so you will not be free to live what you believe? Because this girl is agnostic should not necessarily mean that you can not share a meaningful relationship. This should become apparent in time.
If you think that you must find someone who believes this truth to share your life with, I think you are making it near impossible to find someone. But it wouldn't be to your best interest to try to build a relationship with someone who is totally against what you believe.
1 Cor 7:2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.
So here Paul says it is better to marry than to live in sexual immorality.
Just pray and live your life the best you can. To want a wife and family is not going against God, there is a great deal God teaches us in this relationship.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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She's neither a churchian nor an atheist. So what's the problem?
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She's neither a churchian nor an atheist. So what's the problem?
Well, the problem is not with her, I'm fine with her being Agnostic....
Perhaps I spoke too soon...
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THANK YOU DARREN!! Special appreciation for your post!
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Janice
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corn 6:14
"do not be be unequally yoked together with unbelievers.for what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness?and what communion has light with darkness?"
definition of an agnostic new english dictionary:'one who holds that we know nothing of things outside the material world.'
i know that Jesus is Lord, so do you ,so is your friend refuting your faith in Jesus?
galations 5:7-10
"you ran well.who hindered you from obeying the truth?this persuasion does not come from Him who calls you.a little leaven leavens the whole lump.i have confidence in you,in the Lord,that you will have no other mind,but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment,whoever he is."
stay strong brother.may our Lord guide you in spirit and truth.
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I just want to "tweak" some observations made to Sorin.
Of course the scripture..."do not be unequally yolked" would be the central theme of this discussion and is appropriate to bring forward. :D Note however that this scripture points to unbelievers....not those who do not know or who have not received the revelations but those who have received them and have become apostates and reject and turn on the Lord God to hold onto man made traditions, laws, works of the law and other such things that heretics and haters of the word of God do.
Now I am not coming up for Sorin or his lady friend. I do not know them to do such a thing but I do know a little about the scriptures and this one where the scriptures say do not be unequally yoked, is correct and propper and of Gods mind and Word addressed towards us to caution and warn us to not agree or relate to or be in anyway aligned to and with UNBELIEVERS, LAWLESSNESS AND DARKNESS. Those persons to whom it is noted that they are unbelievers, lawless and darkness are the group that is ANTI SCRIPTURAL haters of God and Gods words.
I do not know about Agnostics who may be in the group of being still lost, blind and un scriptural because their eyes are not yet opened to the truth. Much like we were!
Also consider the following : 1 Cor 7 : 14 ...the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband.... It does not say the heretical, blasphemous harlot wife....it says the UNBLEIEVING WIFE....
Sorin if your friend is not breaking you down, resisting and not submitting to your headship as is your proper place as leader and head of the woman....then I say...why are you not married yet? :-\ ;) I think that is the issue here and not Agnosticsim! ;D How long have you been dating?
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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Thanks everyone for your responses. I should also mention that she knows nothing about what I believe, or what I don't believe. And I haven't mentioned anything to her about it because I am still uncertain myself {about my beliefs}. However, I do not know how she will react if I mentioned them to her.
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I'm sure she'd be more open to a universalist over a church fundie.
But, since you are considering choosing her over God (or however you want to say it) I guess quoting scriptures wouldn't help the matter very much. So I'll ask you this...if you two get married, what will the kids believe? Will they be taught the truth (Word of God), or agnosticism? Will you be comfortable teaching your kids about Jesus and then her disagreeing? It may be hard to find some common ground...but yeah those are my thoughts.
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Oblivion582 I think has somewhat of a point here, but thinking about what the kids will believe before they're even born is redundant. Don't worry about tomorrow until it gets here. Today has enough problems of its own ;). I would think that even if she's NOT and unbeliever, that doesn't mean that your mindsets are not divided. I'm still fuzzy on what all Agnosticism involves, but would that make her not consider God in the equation of her life? My best friend's agnostic and I know that he will act rashly according to his circumstances when he should trust God. How much have you discussed with her about the way you want to live according to the Word of God? If you were to negotiate with her in those things, then I could see a concern; but if she's willing to follow a child of God, then I don't see why it wouldn't succeed. ;D
your friend,
-Beau
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It no longer matters. She said she will be a good friend, but nothing more.
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Sorin, I really hope for you to find that soul-mate, more than just a friend person who can share you life. I am sorry for how it turned out for you.
Nole
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Thanks for the kind words, Nole.
Sorin
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Well! Well!
since Im a man d@ is not scared 2 speak his mind like others around :), dude GODS in Control, HE has a Plan 4 U. One fing d@ stood out 2 me on wot U said was, "U chose a gurl ova GOD" hmm... d@ in its self is sayn sumfing, I cant help but notice ur negativety in most of ur Threads & Posts, Dude abit of Advice U mite need 2 change ur attitude 2 life in general GOD Willn of coz, mayb whence Y! im am sayn it 2 U, U may hav neva been told dis b4, well der is always a first time. Forgive me tho if U r nufing like ur Threads & Posts portray U az I am truly sorry if sO. But! dude Plez dnt take dis da wrongway, But I feel I had been Willed 2 do so, az it is da 2nd time I hav started 2 write dis out, But only dis time Ive gone on with it, dude take heart frm wot i am sayn, az it aint a put down but! mere Advice!!, GODBLESS!, BlesSuP!, PeaceOut!
muchLOVE!! Pera
Ps. I truly am sorry 4 ur situation, I Pray GOD reveals All 2 U more soona den later Y! fingz r how dey r muchBlesSnz!!
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I love the way you write; you make us work for it! ;D
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The desire for another person to share our lives is so strong. It is hard when it doesn't work out. I have been there to the point that all the signs were there that this person wasn't for me. It didn't matter at that time what the Bible spoke about "Unequally yoked", I loved her! So much that I was willing to take second place to have her. Thank God, I got my senses back before it was too late. Sorin, I will be praying for God to send the person He has for you. Stand strong and allow yourself to heal up from this. it is worse than taking a hard tackle!
Nole
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Beau :D :D :D,
Seminole il b wit U in ur Prayers 2 Sorin, Keep strong in the LORD brother, much FAITH & PATIENCE is surely required, it is All GODS timing, GODBLESS!.
muchLOVE!! Pera
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Thanks for the kind and encouraging words, guys. And for giving a damn.
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Sorin, keep in mind, whatever mate you will find in your future, the chances that you will find someone who believes as you do likely will be minimal, even if they are a Christian. For me it has always been important that respect for each other is a high priority. If you have this respect, there will always be the freedom to speak of the things you believe. If you ever need to hide what you believe from your partner in life, you are in deep trouble, in my opinion. Personally I find it easier having a husband that has no ties to any religion. He listens to what I have to say with interest, though at this point it doesn't make him move in one direction or another. He doesn't agree, or disagree because he doesn't really know yet what to think. But I know he loves me and respects me enough to come to me with questions and to see what I think. I don't have to unconvince or convince him of anything, and he doesn't think I'm crazy or a heretic! Of course, it would be awesome if he became a believer as well, but if that's not yet in God's plan, than I'm glad he's not some bible thumping Christian arguing with me about the existence of hell!
Here are some scriptures that have helped me....of course, they seem to be directed to those already married...but like I said, in this great big world it's probably slim pickins trying to find a "chosen one" from out of the few to be your mate....
1 Corinthians 7:14-17
14 For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.
15 But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace.
16 Wife, how do you know whether you will save your husband? Husband, how do you know whether you will save your wife?
17 Only let each person lead the life that the Lord has assigned to him, and to which God has called him. This is my rule in all the churches.
Peace,
Diana-
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Hi Diana,
I'm not worried about finding a mate who 'shares my beliefs', I'm worried whether I'll even find one at all.
Everything seems so hopeless now, and the future looks bleak. Even my faith in God is fading; slowly but surely.
-Sorin
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I would suggest that you stop looking if it's something you're going to dwell on. How can you lose faith in God because he's not giving you what you want? If you're not involved with anyone "right now", it's because God DOES NOT WANT you to be involved with anyone "right now". How can you lose faith in God over that? Is His purpose not better than yours?
On an encouraging note, whether or not you lose hope, God's plan is the best possible outcome for you and He won't fail in what he does...
your friend,
-Beau
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I would suggest that you stop looking if it's something you're going to dwell on.
So I should just throw in the towel? I think I should stop looking for a wife, and just play the field.
Since the girl I wanted to take for my wife, only wants to be friends. What's the point? I'm not
going to find the right person anyways. And I'm not turning celibate.
How can you lose faith in God because he's not giving you what you want?
That's not WHY I'm losing faith in God.
If you're not involved with anyone "right now", it's because God DOES NOT WANT you to be involved with anyone "right now". How can you lose faith in God over that? (scratched out irrelevant) Is His purpose not better than yours?
First point: Are you sure about that?
Second point: I don't think so.
On an encouraging note, whether or not you lose hope, God's plan is the best possible outcome for you and He won't fail in what he does...
I no longer believe there is a "God's plan" for our lives. Sure it's a comforting thought; but it's an illusion.
-Sorin
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I would suggest that you stop looking if it's something you're going to dwell on.
So I should just throw in the towel? I think I should stop looking for a wife, and just play the field.
Since the girl I wanted to take for my wife, only wants to be friends. What's the point? I'm not
going to find the right person anyways. And I'm not turning celibate.
Not looking for a wife does NOT mean "play the field" in any sense. Who IS the right person anyway? Could you pick her out of a crowd?
The last part I'm not even going to bother responding to.
How can you lose faith in God because he's not giving you what you want?
That's not WHY I'm losing faith in God.
If you're not involved with anyone "right now", it's because God DOES NOT WANT you to be involved with anyone "right now". How can you lose faith in God over that? (scratched out irrelevant) Is His purpose not better than yours?
First point: Are you sure about that?
ABSOLUTELY!
Second point: I don't think so.
YOU SHOULD. You can't prove to me that God wants ANYTHING other than what's happening..
On an encouraging note, whether or not you lose hope, God's plan is the best possible outcome for you and He won't fail in what he does...
I no longer believe there is a "God's plan" for our lives. Sure it's a comforting thought; but it's an illusion.
Wow, I'm not touchin' that one. I understand your situation. I was in a VERY similar situation once, but you're speaking heresy brother.
Our very existance is God's plan.
-Sorin
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Sorin, speak your mind. I would rather see honest questions than for everyone to go along with something to fit into a group. There is pain in you for what you are needing in your life. That's honesty and it is good to see!There is someone for you. I believe it.
Seminole
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I would suggest that you stop looking if it's something you're going to dwell on.
So I should just throw in the towel? I think I should stop looking for a wife, and just play the field.
Since the girl I wanted to take for my wife, only wants to be friends. What's the point? I'm not
going to find the right person anyways. And I'm not turning celibate.
How can you lose faith in God because he's not giving you what you want?
That's not WHY I'm losing faith in God.
If you're not involved with anyone "right now", it's because God DOES NOT WANT you to be involved with anyone "right now". How can you lose faith in God over that? (scratched out irrelevant) Is His purpose not better than yours?
First point: Are you sure about that?
Second point: I don't think so.
On an encouraging note, whether or not you lose hope, God's plan is the best possible outcome for you and He won't fail in what he does...
I no longer believe there is a "God's plan" for our lives. Sure it's a comforting thought; but it's an illusion.
-Sorin
Sorin:
I want to make you an offer... I will listen to anything you want to share. (Using PM's for privacy if you want to.) I will share with you *any* help I have. I care about you...
I'm not one to post here often, but I do visit and read most everything. I have noticed recently that your posts seem to show that there is some kind of pain in your heart. Actually, some of the comments you made in this particular message make some of the comments that you made in other posts make a little more sense. My sister is a member here, too. She is somebody that you have conversed with via Bible-Truths forum in the past. She noticed this, too.
I'd really like to help... I don't know that I can, but even though you will probably never set eyes on me during this age, I am your brother. You matter to me. My guess is that many of the members here feel the same way.
Please consider sharing... Privately is fine.
\/\/ard
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Hey Sorin, I too am here for you okay.
UncleBeau, I am a little more cautious with my thoughts on what God 'Wants' and what God 'purposes.' Sure, you can make the connection, that if one wants a car, then one will purpose their intent to obtain one; however, this is not the same as the parent who out of love, punishes their children for acting out, not because they really "want" to, but as a a loving parent, they are purposed to do so.
I am sure you have done many things that you did not want to. Is God any different? Please DO NOT take this anyother way than I am presenting it. Does anything happen outside of Gods purpose or will? But deep down do you really believe that God 'wants' the sadistic things that happen around the world each day.
Sorin, you said: 'I no longer believe there is a "God's plan" for our lives. Sure it's a comforting thought; but it's an illusion.'
I believe I understand where you are coming from. We are not robots, mindless droids, puppets or on train tracks. We are anything but; I also believe that if anyone "trys" to live up to God standards cannot by definition, because how can one attempt to do what God has purposed. It is a ludicrous ideal.
We are told:
Act 15:10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?
Yet, we are also told:
Mat 6:30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, [shall he] not much more [clothe] you, O ye of little faith?
Sorin, my brother and friend; I implore you to trust God completely, listen to Him for you will hear / feel / know what He wants from you. There is not one here in this forum who has any idea of what God has planned for them in the next minute; it is not for us to know. As for finding the perfect person to marry, I believe happens very rarely. There are many marriages where the heart of one or both is leaning towards another. Do not give up my friend, hang in there. As for playing the field; if you do are you doing what God wants or what God purposes? Likewise if you do not, then are you doing what God wants or what God wills.
I will be the last person to condemn you Sorin for what ever choices you make, let go my friend and trust God with all you have. I am sure that doors will open for you than never existed before. I know they did for me.
Please PM me if you want to talk okay.
Love in Christ,
Darren
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Hey Sorin, I went through a time when I literally shook my fist towards the heavens for something that had happened.I told God I wouldn't talk to Him anymore and He could just leave me the h*** alone! Time passed as I went through my trials and then I wanted God back in my life everyday. His love for me didn't leave but I did turn away. Because of the trials, it changed me. It made me more up front with no hiding of the person I am and it gave me a greater love for God and other people.
You are going to be all right. Keep it honest friend, it is so refreshing to see the heart without the arguments or discussions of right and wrong but the truth of humanity.
Seminole