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Title: Love
Post by: DWIGHT on February 09, 2007, 01:05:28 AM: Hi brothers and sisters,

I hope all of you have had the chance to listen to the audio from last Sunday on love. This has been one of the most liberating truths that the Lord has revealed to us through Ray in some time. This is one of those pearls that has been hidden for thousands of years and how blessed are we to hear it in our lifetime. Personally, I didn't know how to love my enemies; I didn't know how to love someone who torchers people and sends them to gas chambers or any other evil that one can imagine, but now I see. I thought that I had to love them like I love you (my brothers and sisters).

I must admit, last week when we had this disscussion on love, most of us, including me, completely missed the mark. I for one, pray for your forgiveness. Much hurt could have been avoided, but then again, God revealed this to us in His own time and for His own good pleasure. Maybe it took this kind of trial to bring out this pearl of great price.

If we meditae on this and asked God to continue to reveal more and more of His (agape and phileo), it will have a profound affect on all of us here at the forum. May God bless us all!

In Him,

Dwight
Title: Re: Love
Post by: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 09, 2007, 01:16:35 AM: Dwight,

Great post. I just wanted to say that I know that I am far from where I need to be when it comes to loving others that are well so difficult to love. Yet, I am thankful that Our God does not love us all in the same way we love eachother. I am glad that we have the pure example of God's love. Truly this is something that we should all strive for, I am striving for it.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. And yes, it was a great study. ;D

Sincerely,

Anne C. McGuire
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Deborah-Leigh on February 09, 2007, 01:44:23 AM: Hello Dwight

Like you, I too was struggling with how to love our enemies! I was under the torture of the teaching to be polite always even to Satan himself! This painful teaching and struggle to be free was in my soul and was why I opened the Please pass the Salt thread!

I could see that Ray is free from this heresy of being poilite and accomodating to Satan. Now I can see how Ray responds to his detractors with Agape one way love and desire direction rebuke and exhortation that they repent and not in Phileo love! NOW I CAN SEE BETTER! I wanted to see better! What a blessed touch of sight this teaching on love brings!

Now I can agape Satan and hold back Phileo love desiring that all spirits of wickedness in high places also repent and this can be done in a spirit of love not anger, self righteousness and pride but in love....agape love knowing that God will bring to repentance and judgment all wickedness and that they too will repent and be saved!

The audio on Marriage and the vocal visibility of Ray's attitude of Agape that rendered his ability to correct the erroneous ideas of the person he addressed without anger, bitterness or pride in Ray, was truly awesome for me to experience! How often do we feel that righteous indignation should hold bitterness and pride when in fact it is holy and pure emotion that is equal to Jesus whipping the traders and over turning tables in the God’s house of prayer. There was no defeatist attitude in Jesus. No self-suicide attempt to right the wrongs but just pure holy anger that for us humans is so often laced with a sense of moral self-righteousness and pride.

This teaching on love releases sight and authority in Spirit and in His truth and praise for Jesus Christ Himself!

Peace to you

Arcturus :)
Title: Re: Love
Post by: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 09, 2007, 02:03:02 AM: Arcturus,

What an awesome and great post this was. I am glad that I know that Jesus did get angry in a holy and righteous way. Thanks for posting this.

Sincerely,

Anne C. McGuire
Title: Re: Love
Post by: hebrewroots98 on February 09, 2007, 02:32:25 AM: Hey Guys, I have not heard this info on Love that Ray put out last Sunday! My audio is messed up on my PC and am waitnig to get it fixed tomorow, hopefully then I can hear it and then respond back. I hope that i didn't mislead others here with the 'Agape' definition. I guess I have never heard of any other definition except for Agape to mean 'unconditional love'. I want to get this cleared up in my mind, as I think that to know how to love poperly in the most important thing that we believers shoulkd be doing to live that life that we were brought here to exemplify. I always remember my mother telling me that if I had nothing good to say, then I should not say anything at all. Thgis always bothered me for some reason.

So, Arcturus, how does that saying relate to what all you said? I'm a bit confused here; what is the proper way to show Gods' love, as this is what I care about the most.

nite, nite! 8). I'll talk with you all minania' ('tomorrow' in Spanish), Lord willing :D
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Chris R on February 09, 2007, 08:06:22 AM: Hello Susan,

The audio was very infomative, and helped me to see the difference between "agape" love , and Phileo love...While i never imagined myself giving a hug and kiss to a cereal killer, on the other hand i can imagine this same cereal killer being a brother one day.

Ray used the analogy of a terorrist butchering a young women while she screamed in terror as her head was cut off with a rusty knife.... How can we love [phileo] such a person? We cant.

However we can have [agape] love for such a person, this love is one way, and expects nothing back in return. Ray explains this very well..its truly amazing.

peace

Chris R
Title: Re: Love
Post by: hebrewroots98 on February 09, 2007, 10:52:48 AM: Thank You Chris, I am so looking forward to hearing this as soon as my PC audio gets fixed. I will look to see if it is posted on Rays' site yet too.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Kat on February 09, 2007, 12:07:13 PM: I do believe this revelation, about the true definition of love is of extreme importance to all of the believers, as it is God's desire for us to gain a proper understanding of it at this time.

As God is love, 1John 4:08.
And Christ answered that the most important commandment centered around love for God and then neighbor.

Mar 12:28 And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, "Which commandment is the most important of all?"
v. 29 Jesus answered, "The most important is, 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
v. 30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'
v. 31 The second is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."

It seems to me that the main reason that God created everything, is so He could love and be loved. The human race is the center of His plan and everything else in this whole physical existence is for the purpose of bringing about this love between God and people.

It is amazing the Truths that we are being given, and to have this forum to share this knowledge with other believers is a extraordinary opportunity.
This type of fellowship has never been available to believers before, communicating with so many from so far away.

Dan 12:4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase."

This new understanding of the meaning of love, puts the conversation that Jesus had we Peter in a whole new light.

John 21:15 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love(agapao) me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord; you know that I love(phileo) you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs."
v. 16 He said to him a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love(agapao) me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord; you know that I love(phileo) you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep."
v. 17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love(phileo) me?" Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, "Do you love(phileo) me?" and he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love(phileo) you." Jesus said to him, "Feed my sheep.

Love is what we must all come to know in all its forms, because love is what it is all about :)

mercy, peace, and love
Kat
Title: Re: Love
Post by: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 09, 2007, 12:11:01 PM: Chris,

I too am a profilic "cereal" killer. I like to kill boxes of Kixes and Oreo and especillay Double Crisp Cookie Cereal. I hope that I am still an accepted member of this group, LOL and my behavior can be condoned. :D :D :D :D

Tho, I did get your point Chris. "serial"

Sincerely,

Anne C. McGuire

Good pun for this time of the day.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Rene on February 09, 2007, 12:21:52 PM: Hi All,

Excellent comments! I too gained a great deal from the "Love" lesson. The light continues to get brighter!

Rene'
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Deborah-Leigh on February 09, 2007, 04:01:46 PM: Hello Sue

I can not say it better than Ray. Listen to Ray our blessed teacher who has come to us in the name of the Lord.

I can say regarding your comment : I always remember my mother telling me that if I had nothing good to say, then I should not say anything at all. Thgis always bothered me for some reason.

...that this always bothered you....is likely to mean that your heart has been prepared.

Only you will be able to confirm this once you receive this teaching....but I beleive that anyone who's deepest heart has railed against being polite to Satan, or being made to keep quiet to his convenience and comfort, is, in suffering this bondage and recognizing it as painful and not truthful, is being prepared to meet the liberty of knowing that it is holy not to give Satan a foot hold!...and to rather tell him off and order him to get behind us where we do not have to see him.

Peace to you

Arcturus :)
Title: Re: Love
Post by: hebrewroots98 on February 09, 2007, 11:42:28 PM: My sentiments exactly Kat and Arcturus! Thank you for articulating this in such a way that I could attain it. It is understandable that we should love the being/person, just not their sins. Still waiting to hear Rays' teachin on this. :)
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Jackie Lee on February 10, 2007, 01:49:25 AM: I would be interested in hearing some of Rays audios
Are they to be purchased at Ray's sight?
I haven't found them.
There is so much reading material I need to get through and hopefully glean some more understanding, I may not be ready yet. :)
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Russ Tallmadge on February 10, 2007, 02:33:34 AM: "I hope all of you have had the chance to listen to the audio from last Sunday on love."

Could you give me a link to the audio lessons?
Thank you,
Russ
Title: Re: Love
Post by: josh on February 10, 2007, 02:35:27 AM: Jackie Lee & Russ,

You can find the audio from several of the conferences, as well as some of Ray's home studies here on the forum in the "Introductions and Announcements" sections under the "Ray's Studies / Audio Downloads" sections... and best of all they're FREE!

Here is a direct link: http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2641.0.html

Grace and Peace.
Josh
Title: Re: Love
Post by: hillsbororiver on February 10, 2007, 11:28:10 AM: Quote from: Dwight on February 09, 2007, 01:05:28 AM

I must admit, last week when we had this disscussion on love, most of us, including me, completely missed the mark. I for one, pray for your forgiveness. Much hurt could have been avoided, but then again, God revealed this to us in His own time and for His own good pleasure. Maybe it took this kind of trial to bring out this pearl of great price.

I am reminded of Solomon's prayer and the example it offers us in regard to some subjects or topics some of us may not be clear on,

1 Kings 3

7And now, O LORD my God, thou hast made thy servant king instead of David my father: and I am but a little child: I know not how to go out or come in.

8And thy servant is in the midst of thy people which thou hast chosen, a great people, that cannot be numbered nor counted for multitude.

9Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?

10And the speech pleased the LORD, that Solomon had asked this thing.

11And God said unto him, Because thou hast asked this thing, and hast not asked for thyself long life; neither hast asked riches for thyself, nor hast asked the life of thine enemies; but hast asked for thyself understanding to discern judgment;

Prayers such as this are in accordance with His will, when we seek understanding with patience, long suffering and discernment we will be blessed. Trying to force an issue or agreement is where we can stumble and fall.

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe
Title: Re: Love
Post by: M_Oliver on February 10, 2007, 12:00:18 PM: Quote from: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 09, 2007, 12:11:01 PM
Chris,

I too am a profilic "cereal" killer. I like to kill boxes of Kixes and Oreo and especillay Double Crisp Cookie Cereal. I hope that I am still an accepted member of this group, LOL and my behavior can be condoned. :D :D :D :D

Tho, I did get your point Chris. "serial"

Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
Good pun for this time of the day.

;D ;D ;D! I have to admit Anne I had the same reaction before I got down to your post. Chris, we kid because we care!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Deborah-Leigh on February 10, 2007, 12:10:05 PM: Hello Joe

Welcome back! ;D

....... refute is what Ray does 8)

Job 6 : 25 How forcible are words of straightforward speach! But what does your arguing argue and prove or your reproof reprove?

When we know the scriptures and the power of God we too will be able to refute error, expose false deceptions and correct deviations better as we are conformed into the Spirit and Truth of Christ's likeness.

I agree and see your point that force, argument and vying to be right, never convinces and exposing heresy not always leads to repentence and perhaps it leads more readily to persecution.!

Peace to you

Arcturus :)
Title: Re: Love
Post by: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 10, 2007, 12:58:42 PM: M Oliver,

Glad to see that I was not the only cereal killer. LOL ;D

Sincerely,

Anne C. McGuire
Title: Re: Love
Post by: hebrewroots98 on February 12, 2007, 04:21:50 AM: WOW! I just finished listening to the 'LOVE/AGAPE'/PHILLEO' teaching by Ray. What enlightenment and truth. I had always known that AGAPE' was that UNCONDITIONAL kind of love that God has for ALL of HIS creation. But, I never knew that God showed FAVORITISM (if you will) toward people. I especially didn't know that He 'loves' those of us who are trying to do His will each and everyday in our lives; more than He loves those who are not living a Godly life. (PHILEO love; to where HE does actually love and cherish me/us as to think of us as His FRIENDS!!) Now that is neat! (AMEN AND AMEN) :D

It does make sense now that HE would show favoritism to those of us whom have been chosen/those whom DO the will of the Father. I can also see how righteous HE is when HE hates certain other people b/c of their EVIL WAYS while they are living their unrighteousness infront of Him. Now I undestand how Jesus could go into the temple and call the people HYPOCRITS, VIPERS, etc.. RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION is a form of hating HIS enemies. Now this frees me up from feeling that I must treat these 'workers of iniquity' in a PHILLEO type of love. I am glad to know that God willl not hold it agianst me when I do not go out of my way to PHILLEO those whom don't care or live with Gods' truths. It makes me to have even more love for those who do value and love the truth.

I used to wonder how I should treat those whom I am repelledl by who live only with a form of Godliness, but, who deny the power thereof? I thank God for showing me that He is cut and dry. He is fair. (Duet. 28...I WILL BLESS THOSE WHO BLESS ME AND I WILL CURSE THOSE WHO CURSE ME...) It finally makes sense! Oh, how wonderful it is to know the real meanings of words! I have been set free again.

Also, I am now able to quit feeling guilty for not trying harder to make relationships happen with my relatives, b/c now I see that we can only be as close as we are and no more unless they turn their lives around and start living for God, since we are unequally yoked and have very little in common together. We as a family are not really a family since we have nothing in common.

Thank you Joe and Arcturus for your words of wisdom! So true that God was preparing my heart for all of these years whenever I would not accept it when I would hear my mom tell me that phrase of "if you don't have anything good to say, then don't say anything at all". I used to feel so guilty if I said something negative about a person. Now I see that they are not of the 'brotherhood' and that it is not negative to tell the truth about a person who is not bearing good fruit.

Still pondering this new revelation :D
Nite, nite for now...
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Chris R on February 12, 2007, 08:21:01 AM: Hi guys,

Yep ive been known to kill a few bowls myself, but alas, i still love Cap'n Crunch. Agape love that is!

Peace

Chris R
Title: Re: Love
Post by: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 12, 2007, 11:33:25 AM: ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Love
Post by: longhorn on February 12, 2007, 11:44:53 AM: Give me a box of Sugar Pops and a 1/2 gallon of ice cold milk any time of day and Im happy. Captn Crunch is my second favorite, except it destroys the roof of your mouth after about 2 bowls.

Longhorn
Title: Re: Love
Post by: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 12, 2007, 11:46:59 AM: Longhorn and Chirs,

Well the Captain Crunch with berries is especially brutal when one is biting it. Those berries can cause substantial damage to the roof of your mouth.

Hmmmm, what goes around comes around LOL.

Sincerely,

Anne C. McGuire
Title: Re: Love
Post by: hebrewroots98 on February 12, 2007, 12:40:20 PM: I have a question. If the Greek word STORGE' (pronounced 'store-gay') is the love that FAMILY RELATIVES have/show to one another, then are there any scriptures that translate that God has STORGE' love for Yeshua? (I mean, afterall, HE is GODS' son, which is a family member.) My husband brought this point up, which I too thought was very interesting. The only other Greek translation of LOVE is that of EROS, which we all know that Yeshua never did experience this kind of (erotic) love; although many would love (pun intended ;) to imagine differently. ???

Also, will Ray be having more teachings on this topic of the four different types of loves?

I am so thankful that Ray cared enough and that he was willing to prepare and bring to us this study. That shows that he has a big :Dheart for those of us on this forum! THANKS RAY!!!...WE PHILLEO' YOU VERY MUCH ;) ;D
Title: Re: Love
Post by: PKnowler on February 12, 2007, 12:52:19 PM: Quote from: hebrewroots98 on February 12, 2007, 12:40:20 PM
The only other Greek translation of LOVE is that of EROS, which we all know that Yeshua never did experience this kind of (erotic) love; although many would love (pun intended ;) to imagine differently. ???

Hey Susan,

I'm pretty sure that Yeshua does have a pure eros love for the church. I don't think that we can understand it but isn't that what the book of the Song of Solomon is all about? My understanding is the book is an allegory of the love relationship between Christ and the Church. Really a lot of the old testament talks about God's passionate love for his people and God's jealousy when his people seek other gods.

~Paula
Title: Re: Love
Post by: hebrewroots98 on February 12, 2007, 01:20:53 PM: Paula,
You got me on that one!!! ;) You are so right, how could I have forgotten the Song of Solomon as well as that God was MARRIED to Israel? ((I have been looking at the physical and not the spiritual on this today, as well as looking at the New Testament and not the Old! duh ::)) (Talk about a brain fog!!!) I appreciate you so much Paula, Thank you for reminding me on this! I need to think more and open my bible before I respond so quickly on here net time :o
Title: Re: Love
Post by: PKnowler on February 12, 2007, 01:40:37 PM: Hey Susan,

I do the same thing, don't worry about it. That's what we got each other for! ;) I am glad you brought up the topic though.
I did a study on the different Greek words for love a long time ago. It really helped me when I was going through a hard time in my marriage. It is interesting to think that Christ has a (spiritual eros) love for his bride (us). Really isn't the main theme of the Bible a love story?

Blessings, Paula
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Deborah-Leigh on February 12, 2007, 02:11:07 PM: Hello Sue

I recognise our unity and like mindedness in your dazzling response to Rays message and teaching on love. I am so happy for you and that you are now FREE as you say : from feeling that I must treat these 'workers of iniquity' in a PHILLEO type of love. I am glad to know that God willl not hold it agianst me when I do not go out of my way to PHILLEO those whom don't care or live with Gods' truths. It makes me to have even more love for those who do value and love the truth.

I used to wonder how I should treat those whom I am repelledl by who live only with a form of Godliness, but, who deny the power thereof? I thank God for showing me that He is cut and dry. He is fair. (Duet. 28...I WILL BLESS THOSE WHO BLESS ME AND I WILL CURSE THOSE WHO CURSE ME...)

As Ray pointed out, this subject is huge. Deut 28:1 as a second witness in NT….1 Cor 16 : 22 If any man love (phileo) not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. (331 Greek Dictionary from 394; a religious ban or …excommunicated thing or person – accused, anathema, curse….Anything laid up or suspended as an offering in the temple of god; ….In the NT anathema is used to indicate an accursed thing or spoken of persons, one accursed; someone excluded from the favour of God and devoted to destruction

1 Cor 12 :13 For by means of the personal agency of the Holy Spirit we were all, whether Jews or Greeks, slaves or free, baptized and by baptism united together into one body, all made to drink of the Holy Spirit.

1 Cor 16:22 If anyone man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

Gal 1:8,9 But even if we or an angel form heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to and different from that which we preached to you, let him be accursed, anathema, devoted to destruction, doomed to punishment! 9. As we said before, so I now say again: If any one is preaching to you a gospel different from or contrary to that which you received from us, let him be accursed, anathema, devoted to destruction, doomed to punishment!

Ac 23: 14 And they came to the chief priests and elders, and said, We have bound ourselves under a great curse, that we will eat nothing until we have slain Paul. (For me this shows the beast and the great lengths to the point of self inflicted pain that the beast will do in order to crucify Christ again by trying to kill His children! Hence the persecution and rejection true followers of Christ experience from the world that hates Christ and hates also His Disciples.)

Rom 9:3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off and banished from Christ for the sake of my brethren and instead of them, my natural kinsmen and my fellow countrymen. ( For me this shows Agape love. The willingness of Paul to lay himself down for his brethren so that they too would know the sweetness of salvation through Christ. This is not like hate for Christ and will not endure self inflicted suffering but has to endure persecution from others. Agape love that I see here is not like the deep seated hatred for God that would even cause self inflicted pain in order to kill someone.)

I rejoice in your new found freedom and liberty from bondage Sue.

Blessed is Ray who has come to us in the name of the Lord.

Peace to you

Arcturus :)
Title: Re: Love
Post by: longhorn on February 12, 2007, 02:28:36 PM: Im a fan of the J. Giles band,,, my favorite song.... Love Stinks.

Longhorn
Title: Re: Love
Post by: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 12, 2007, 06:50:40 PM: Hi Susan,

Quote from: hebrewroots98 on February 12, 2007, 04:21:50 AM
WOW! I just finished listening to the 'LOVE/AGAPE'/PHILLEO' teaching by Ray. What enlightenment and truth. I had always known that AGAPE' was that UNCONDITIONAL kind of love that God has for ALL of HIS creation. But, I never knew that God showed FAVORITISM (if you will) toward people. I especially didn't know that He 'loves' those of us who are trying to do His will each and everyday in our lives; more than He loves those who are not living a Godly life. (PHILEO love; to where HE does actually love and cherish me/us as to think of us as His FRIENDS!!) Now that is neat! (AMEN AND AMEN) :D

I was wondering if Terry could record the downloads on to a CD for both David and I. My computer is on the blink and will not open the links and if it does it will not play Ray very good. I am glad that you and I got to talk a little bit about the Phileo love and the agape love. It is more freeing to know that it is okay not to love the terrorists with a Phileo love. This was freeing becuase I would feel guilt and remorse and felt that I was not where I needed to be. I feel like a huge burden lifted off of my shoulders. I wonder how many other preconceived notions that are holding us in bondage. It will be an amazing journey to say the least when those contradictions are exposed for what they are.

It does make sense now that HE would show favoritism to those of us whom have been chosen/those whom DO the will of the Father. I can also see how righteous HE is when HE hates certain other people b/c of their EVIL WAYS while they are living their unrighteousness infront of Him. Now I undestand how Jesus could go into the temple and call the people HYPOCRITS, VIPERS, etc.. RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION is a form of hating HIS enemies. Now this frees me up from feeling that I must treat these 'workers of iniquity' in a PHILLEO type of love. I am glad to know that God willl not hold it agianst me when I do not go out of my way to PHILLEO those whom don't care or live with Gods' truths. It makes me to have even more love for those who do value and love the truth.

I had always wondered what it meant that when the bible would say that God showed favor upon Noah or anyone else he showed favor upon. It did not make sense, until Phileo and agape were explained by you and Terrry. Yes I too have that freedom that you so eloquently write about.

I used to wonder how I should treat those whom I am repelledl by who live only with a form of Godliness, but, who deny the power thereof? I thank God for showing me that He is cut and dry. He is fair. (Duet. 28...I WILL BLESS THOSE WHO BLESS ME AND I WILL CURSE THOSE WHO CURSE ME...) It finally makes sense! Oh, how wonderful it is to know the real meanings of words! I have been set free again.

Also, I am now able to quit feeling guilty for not trying harder to make relationships happen with my relatives, b/c now I see that we can only be as close as we are and no more unless they turn their lives around and start living for God, since we are unequally yoked and have very little in common together. We as a family are not really a family since we have nothing in common.

Thank you Joe and Arcturus for your words of wisdom! So true that God was preparing my heart for all of these years whenever I would not accept it when I would hear my mom tell me that phrase of "if you don't have anything good to say, then don't say anything at all". I used to feel so guilty if I said something negative about a person. Now I see that they are not of the 'brotherhood' and that it is not negative to tell the truth about a person who is not bearing good fruit.

Still pondering this new revelation :D
Nite, nite for now...

Thanks for posting this. And I was pleased to know how to post wihtou having to scroll up and down the window to see what I wanted to reply to. Now it is conviently located in my posting window.

Well you all take care.

Have a great one.

Sincerely,

Anne C. McGuire
Title: Re: Love
Post by: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 12, 2007, 07:01:03 PM: Praise God,

To All,

Well, I am now getting all the writings in our own set of folders due to the willingness of a special friend who is going to print off all the writings.

And my computer downloaded and Ray is coming in crystal clear. Yeah <claps hands in delight several times and giggles.>

Well I am going to go and listen to the study on love and marriage. I am sure that I will have plenty to say when the time comes.

Sincerely,

Anne C. McGuire

<dances out of the forum while singing How Great Thou Art>
Title: Re: Love
Post by: hebrewroots98 on February 12, 2007, 08:52:10 PM: Paula, I guess I was trying to simply look at only the physical reality of EROS being in Yeshua's ife in that HE never had any sexual relationship as alot of these (Hellywood) movie producers would like for us to believe. They in their carnal minds cannot fathom the fact that HE came here to serve; not to be served; and that HE was only about HIS FATHERS' business and not his own.
Whereas you pointed out THE SPIRITUAL SIDE OF YESHUA HAVING EROS FOR HIS CHURCH/HIS BRIDE...simply the most brialliant analogy and plan that HE ever designed...the most intimate relationship in the universe is this one!

Arcturus, I am so glad that we are unified in this area at the same time (ha, as I reread what had written, I realize that I meant to say 'repulsed', not repelled- but you got the jest ;)) !! Thank you for the great scripture references; wow, 'let him that believe not in the Lord to be as anathema'..that is powerful everytime that I hear it! IT JUST BLOWS MY MIND EACH TIME THAT I REALIZE THAT 'CHRISTIANS' ARE WHOM HE IS TALKING ABOUT B/C THEY MISS THE MARK. OF COURSE TRY AND TELLTHEM THIS AND THEY WILL HATE YOU FOR IT! I just LOVE this study/topic. You got it right, well said Arcturus, that the wicked go to great lengths -even to the degree of doing bodily harm to themselves just in order to hurt those of us whom are committed to the truth vs Paul's agape' love who willingly took the stripes for us just to get these truths out for the rest of us to take hold of!

Ah, what a good word will do for the heart! :D

Longhor/foghorn/leghorn whatever your name is ;) ;) ;) along that same line of thought, did J. GILES not also write..."I MUSTA GOT LOST"... ( I think that all of you who responded about cereal...MUSTA GOT LOST... on this thread ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Love
Post by: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 12, 2007, 09:04:53 PM: Susan,

Quote from: hebrewroots98 on February 12, 2007, 08:52:10 PM

Whereas you pointed out THE SPIRITUAL SIDE OF YESHUA HAVING EROS FOR HIS CHURCH/HIS BRIDE...simply the most brialliant analogy and plan that HE ever designed...the most intimate relationship in the universe is this one!

Such a powerful and a beautiful sentence. This goes deep and yes that intimate relatioship is so beutiful that I had problems in getting it into words, but you did it Susan.

Longhor/foghorn/leghorn whatever your name is ;) ;) ;) along that same line of thought, did J. GILES not also write..."I MUSTA GOT LOST"... ( I think that all of you who responded about cereal...MUSTA GOT LOST... on this thread ;) ;) ;D

Well, hmmm I exhort you to get a bowel of ceral and come find those of us that are "lost" in the wilderness. ;D

Sincerely,

Anne C. McGuire
Title: Re: Love
Post by: hebrewroots98 on February 12, 2007, 09:08:27 PM: Anne....CHEERIO, HONEY NUT!!! ;) ;) ;D ;D :o :o
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Deborah-Leigh on February 13, 2007, 12:46:33 AM: I am enjoying and being edified through your conversation about the Eros nature of Christ to His Bride Sue and Paula.....keep talking aloud so we can all listen in 8)...

Peace to you

Arcturus
Title: Re: Love
Post by: PKnowler on February 13, 2007, 02:30:29 AM: Arcturus,

I don't know if it would be called eros love that God has for his bride or not. I've never read or heard anything about it so I am not an expert but I have thought about it over the years. The other definitions of love don't fit. Agape is unconditional love, phileo is brotherly love, storge is a natural affection , eros desires to possess the object of one’s love. Does not God demand our affection, loyalty and devotion? The first commandment is to love the Lord your God with all your heart mind and soul.
2 Co 11:2
For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

I have thought about how our worship is the intimacy that consummates our relationship with Christ and how if we stray and worship other gods or idols that is spiritual adultery. Has anyone ever felt enraptured in worship? So glorious to come into the Holy of Holies and bow and worship in His Presence. I love the song "The world grows fadedly dim in the light of His glorious face"! In that place all we can see is Him. I believe there is a wedding to come so we've not entered into the fullness of our relationship with Christ yet. It is interesting to read about Christ's love for the church, His bride.

Maybe we can talk Ray into giving a study on the subject.

Blessings, Paula
Title: Re: Love
Post by: hebrewroots98 on February 13, 2007, 03:39:50 AM: Yes Paula, I definatley agree with you in the fact that it IS SPIRITUAL ADULTRY (MOCHAI-BREAKING A VOW) to have any oTHer gods before HIM. We ARE THE APPLE OF HIS EYE! He has great plans for us and HE has prepared for us things beyond our imagination too. We are to "present ourselves as a LIVING SACRIFICE; WHICH IS HOLY AND ACCEPTABLE TO HIM" for this reason OF BEING E! We are Royalty to HIM; we are HOLY to HIm as well (a HOlY NATION, A ROYAL PRIESTHOOD.)