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 on: Today at 05:13:30 AM 
Started by cheekie3 - Last post by cheekie3
Pamela -

1 Corth:24...Then comes the end, when He delivers the Kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule,every authority and power.25, For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.26, The last enemy to be destroyed is death.27, for God has put all things
In subjection under His feet.But when it says all things are put in subjection, it is plain that He is excepted who put all things in subjection under Him.28,When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to Him who put all things in subjection under Him, that God may be All in All.

Can someone explain this scripture to me please. I understand up to vs.27 and then my brain blew up.😳 Thank you.
Glory be to Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Glory


Regarding verse 28 of 1 Corinthians 15:24-28, I understand that these verses reference Psalm 110:1 and Psalm 8:6:


Psalm 110:1 Modern English Version (MEV):

The Lord said to my lord, “Sit at My right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”



Psalm 8:6 Modern English Version (MEV):

You have given him dominion over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under his feet,



Please note the below, Phillips, NIBEV, ICB, GW and EXB versions:


1 Corinthians 15:24-28 Phillips:

24-27 Then, and not till then, authority and power, hands over the kingdom to God the Father. Christ’s reign will and must continue until every enemy has been conquered. The last enemy of all to be destroyed is death itself. The scripture says: ‘He has put all things under his feet’. But in the term “all things” it is quite obvious that God, who brings them all under subjection to Christ, is himself excepted.

28 Nevertheless, when everything created has been made obedient to God, then shall the Son acknowledge himself subject to God the Father, who gave the Son power over all things. Thus, in the end, shall God be wholly and absolutely God.


1 Corinthians 15:24-28 NIBEV:

15:24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to Yahweh the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
15:25 For the Messiah must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 15:26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.
15:27 For "He has put all things under His feet." But when He says "all things are put under Him," it is evident that Yahweh who put all things under Yah’shua is excepted.

15:28 Now when all things are made subject to Yahweh, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that Yahweh may be all in all.


1 Corinthians 15:24-28 International Children’s Bible (ICB):

24 Then the end will come. Christ will destroy all rulers, authorities, and powers. And he will give the kingdom to God the Father. 25 Christ must rule until God puts all enemies under Christ’s control. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed will be death. 27 The Scripture says, “God put all things under his control.”[a] When it says that “all things” are put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself. God is the one putting everything under Christ’s control.

28 After everything has been put under Christ, then the Son himself will be put under God. God is the One who put all things under Christ. And Christ will be put under God, so that God will be the complete ruler over everything.


1 Corinthians 15:24-28 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW):

24 Then the end will come. Christ will hand over the kingdom to God the Father as he destroys every ruler, authority, and power.

25 Christ must rule until God has put every enemy under his control. 26 The last enemy he will destroy is death. 27 Clearly, God has put everything under Christ’s authority. When God says that everything has been put under Christ’s authority, this clearly excludes God, since God has put everything under Christ’s authority.

28 But when God puts everything under Christ’s authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, since God had put everything under the Son’s authority. Then God will be in control of everything.


1 Corinthians 15:24-28 Expanded Bible (EXB):

24 and then the end will come. At that time Christ will destroy all rulers, authorities, and powers, and he will hand over the kingdom to God the Father.
25 Christ must rule until he puts all enemies under his control; 
26 The last enemy to be destroyed will be death.
27 The Scripture says that God put all things under his control. When it says “all things” are under him, it is clear this does not include the One who put everything under his control.

28 After everything has been put under the Son, then he will put himself under God, who had put all things under him. Then God will be the complete ruler over everything.


Warmest Regards.

George

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 on: Today at 05:05:27 AM 
Started by cheekie3 - Last post by santgem
santgem -

Regarding your statement below - that The Father and The Son were not the same, only when The Son was born of a virgin:

God the Father and Jesus are not one-and-the-same, When?

1.  When Jesus is the Yahweh/Jehovah/I AM/WORD
2.   When Jesus was born of a virgin

so my question  is when they are not one - and- the- same, in number 1 or number 2?

of course, i prefer no.2

For clarity, please confirm if you are stating that as of now, 'The Father and The Son' are one and the same.

Warmest Regards.

George

Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me.  Isa 43:10

(Num. 12:6-8) – “He said, "Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, shall make Myself known to him in a vision.  I shall speak with him in a dream. 7 "Not so, with My servant Moses, He is faithful in all My household; 8 With him I speak mouth to mouth, Even openly, and not in dark sayings, And he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid To speak against My servant, against Moses ?"

and I have turned aside My hands, and thou hast seen My back parts, and My face is not seen.' Exo 33:23


There are hundreds of Scriptures that says there is only one God and there is no God besides Him.There are also Scriptures that says Jesus and the Father are One, and the fulness of the Godhead  bodily dwelleth in Jesus.

A voice is crying -- in a wilderness -- Prepare ye the way of Jehovah, Make straight in a desert a highway to our God. Isa. 40:3  'A voice of one calling in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, straight make ye his paths,' –Mark 1:3

'Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah; Deuteronomy 6:4

"But Jesus answered them, 'My Father is working until now, and I work.' So then, on account of this saying, the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, not only because He had loosed the Sabbath, but also because He had called God His own Father, making Himself equal with God." (John 5:17-18)

"I and My Father are ONE" John 10:30

1Ti 3:16"........God was manifest in the flesh...

Col 2:9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.


so what's next? It is through, through and nothing but through Jesus that we will hear, communicate, feel, love, touch, sing , see God the Father. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face 

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Jhn 14:9

And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. Rev 22:4

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 1Co 13:12

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1Jo 3:2

As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness. Psa 17:15


For clarity, please confirm if you are stating that as of now, 'The Father and The Son' are one and the same

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Ti 2:5

They are One God, i repeat When Jesus is (Yahweh-Jehovah/I AM/WORD/LORD) they are one and the same; As of Now, they are  Father and Son and they are One God.

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 on: Today at 04:10:29 AM 
Started by cheekie3 - Last post by cheekie3

Thank you George, this is the true word of God isn't it? Why would have to be removed  Denis?
Glory to our Lord Jesus Christ. Yes all will be made new in the end.
Vera

I never said I was going to remove it Vera. But a little more explanation would have helped me.

1. Vera -

Yes, it will be wondrous when all this is over, and all things are made New by Him, for our benefit.

2. Dennis -

Point taken, and accepted.

I have tried recently to simply post Scriptures, with little, or no words, from me; but I can see now, that it is necessary to provide the reason for the post:

Warmest Regards.

George

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 on: Today at 04:03:36 AM 
Started by cheekie3 - Last post by cheekie3
Dave -

Good Question:

I have a pretty basic question concerning "judgement".  We all know the scripture:

(KJV)  With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

So then, is "judgement" the thing that precedes "learning righteousness"--like a parent says to child, "You'll get punished every time you hit your little brother until you learn not to hit your little brother."?  Or is "judgement" the actual thing by which we learn righteousness--like a guitar teacher working with a student until the student learns to play?

I ask because Ray stressed the "educational" aspect of judgement, but both of those 'scenarios' end with at least a similar (?) result--kid learns.

Or is it that both of those are just two tools in His box?

Or something else I've not mentioned? 

This question is not rhetorical.  Thoughts from Ray I've overlooked, spiritual matches to that verse, or any other comments are welcome.     

To me, and from my own severe painful experience, after being dragged to Him - 'judgement' is His Chastisement of those He Loves and Calls His Sons and Daughters - whereby He puts us through His Fire (and the pain is almost too much to bear - and you cry for it to stop - but He will not let it stop - as we must all endure it) - and He does not let us go left or right, or up or down, but right through each ordeal by fire - as He is refining our Characters to be Like Him - as He is producing His Fruit of His Holy Spirit, in each of His Called Out, Called Out, and Chosen, Elect.

Is this not expounded in Hebrews 12 and Galatians 5?


Hebrews 12 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV):

1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. 4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 for whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye ********, and not sons. 9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. 12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees; 13 and make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed. 14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: 15 looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; 16 lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. 17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, 19 and the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: 20 (for they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: 21 and so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:) 22 but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. 25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: 26 whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. 27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: 29 for our God is a consuming fire.


Galatians 5 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV):

1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. 2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. 7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? 8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. 9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. 10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be. 11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased. 12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Regarding the judgement of the wicked - I am not so sure about - but as He will Save All - including Satan - it may well be that He first destroys their works - and then He puts them all through His Fore of Chastisement, like He has been doing with His Elect for the past two thousand years or so.


Galatians 5:22-25 Phillips:

22-25 The Spirit however, produces in human life fruits such as these: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, fidelity, tolerance and self-control—and no law exists against any of them. Those who belong to Christ have crucified their old nature with all that it loved and lusted for. If our lives are centred in the Spirit, let us be guided by the Spirit.


As shown in Hebrews 12 and Galatians 5 - is it not all about 'His Fruit of His Holy Spirit', which to me, is His Holiness, Purity and Character?

That is why I continually evaluate my standing in Him, and the deepest desires of my heart, against these nine Fruit - in order to ascertain if I am Right with Him - or if I am deluding myself in some way - as I have found that His Truths really do destroy all lies - and that His Truth really does set us free, from each, and every lie, that is exposed to us, by Him.


Warmest Regards.

George

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 on: Today at 02:50:01 AM 
Started by cheekie3 - Last post by Dave in Tenn
I have a pretty basic question concerning "judgement".  We all know the scripture:

(KJV)  With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

So then, is "judgement" the thing that precedes "learning righteousness"--like a parent says to child, "You'll get punished every time you hit your little brother until you learn not to hit your little brother."?  Or is "judgement" the actual thing by which we learn righteousness--like a guitar teacher working with a student until the student learns to play?

I ask because Ray stressed the "educational" aspect of judgement, but both of those 'scenarios' end with at least a similar (?) result--kid learns.

Or is it that both of those are just two tools in His box?

Or something else I've not mentioned? 

This question is not rhetorical.  Thoughts from Ray I've overlooked, spiritual matches to that verse, or any other comments are welcome.     

 6 
 on: Yesterday at 10:29:51 PM 
Started by cheekie3 - Last post by Dennis Vogel
Thank you George, this is the true word of God isn't it? Why would have to be removed  Denis?
Glory to our Lord Jesus Christ. Yes all will be made new in the end.
Vera

I never said I was going to remove it Vera. But a little more explanation would have helped me.

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 on: Yesterday at 10:49:38 AM 
Started by cheekie3 - Last post by cheekie3
santgem -

Regarding your statement below - that The Father and The Son were not the same, only when The Son was born of a virgin:

God the Father and Jesus are not one-and-the-same, When?

1.  When Jesus is the Yahweh/Jehovah/I AM/WORD
2.   When Jesus was born of a virgin

so my question  is when they are not one - and- the- same, in number 1 or number 2?

of course, i prefer no.2

For clarity, please confirm if you are stating that as of now, 'The Father and The Son' are one and the same.

Warmest Regards.

George

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 on: October 15, 2017, 08:37:52 PM 
Started by cheekie3 - Last post by Vera
Thank you George, this is the true word of God isn't it? Why would have to be removed  Denis?
Glory to our Lord Jesus Christ. Yes all will be made new in the end.
Vera

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 on: October 15, 2017, 12:43:01 PM 
Started by cheekie3 - Last post by Dennis Vogel
When you are 'begotten' you come into existence. John 1:18:

(ASV)  No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

(CLV)  God no one has ever seen. The only-begotten God, Who is in the bosom of the Father, He unfolds Him."

(Diaglott-NT)  God no one has seen ever; the only-begotten son, that being in the bosom of the Father, he has made known.

(KJV)  No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

(Rotherham)  No one, hath seen, God, at any time: An Only Begotten God, The One existing within the bosom of the Father, He, hath interpreted him .

(YLT)  God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father--he did declare.

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 on: October 15, 2017, 11:33:57 AM 
Started by cheekie3 - Last post by santgem
God the Father and Jesus are not one-and-the-same, When?

1.  When Jesus is the Yahweh/Jehovah/I AM/WORD
2.   When Jesus was born of a virgin

so my question  is when they are not one - and- the- same, in number 1 or number 2?

of course, i prefer no.2

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