=> General Discussions => Topic started by: robtjr30 on September 16, 2006, 04:23:22 AM
Title: Tithing Teachings of Fredrick K. Price,Jr
Post by: robtjr30 on September 16, 2006, 04:23:22 AM
Ok I see Mr Fredrick Price,Jr preaching about Tithing on DayStar TV Price,Jr refers to everything except how Jacob gave a Tenth in Genesis 28:10-22. Mr Price,Jr refers to Abram & Melchizedek in Gen. 14:18-20 then he jumps to Heb. 7:1-10 then he goes to Leviticus to Num. 18:26 saying something about the Firstfruits and Offerings. Then he jumps to Malachi 3:8-10 saying you should Not Rob God and he also says that you should give the 10 Percent and a Offering not of any certain amount. Then I see John Hagee preach about it on TBN Hagee says DEBT stands for: Doing Everything But Tithing.
I Do Not see any Commandment from Jesus saying Tithe 10 Percent or give any extra money offering. the only place the word Tithe appears in the New Testament is Matt. 23:23, Luke 18:12, and Hebrews 7:5,8-9 but still no commandment to Tithe even though God loves a Cheerful Giver God probabuly does not ean just in Money but probabuly in Food,Clothing, and etc. I know that Paul did not get rich he was poor and i read the Tithing thing on bible truths website. I know I'm not Robbing God Money wise and if I'm Robbing God it is more and likely Soul Winning wise or Prayer Wise. Should I try to set these two preachers right by sending them a letter?
Ok this is an update of alll of what Mr Price,Jr preaches here: What is Tithing, and where do I tithe? Tithing, along with giving offerings, is the method God has placed in effect for His children to prosper. When you give into the Kingdom, you are planting seed that will come grow into a financial harvest, because there is a reciprocal relationship involved. In other words, as you give to God, your heavenly Father gives back to you! This is why Malachi 3:10 says, "Bring ALL the tithes into the storehouse" — not part of the tithes, but ALL — "That there may be food in My house, And try Me now in this, Says the Lord of hosts, If I will not open for you the windows of heaven And pour out for you such blessing That there will not be room enough to receive it." (NKJV) How much is a tithe? The word tithe literally means "tenth," so a tithe is one tenth of what you make. If that were not enough, after Jacob dreamed about the ladder going to Heaven in Genesis 28, he vowed to the Lord, "And this stone which I have set as a pillar shall be God's house, and of all that You give me I WILL SURELY GIVE A TENTH TO YOU" (Genesis 28:22).
The tithe should go to "the storehouse," which is where you are taught how to apply God’s Word to every circumstance in your life. This should be the church where you worship and fellowship with the saints. Notice that I said, "where you are being taught." Only you know where you are being fed the Word of God, so where you consider your storehouse to be is your decision. Just remember that you will have to give an account to the Lord as to where you place your tithes. So you want to be sure that your tithes and offerings are always "planted into good ground."
Now, along with "planting" (giving), you have to keep "watering" your seed by confessing the Word and saying, "In the name of Jesus, I believe I receive the windows-of-heaven blessing." Each time you proclaim this confession, while walking in line with God’s principles, you make inroads into the spirit-realm and bring your blessings forth from the spirit world into the physical world. In the spirit world, such a confession keeps your seed (whatever you are believing and confessing) growing.
When you systematically continue to make your confessions relative to your tithes and offerings, Satan cannot touch your blessings. But when you fail to adhere to the directives given in God’s Word, Satan can and will steal your blessings and there is nothing God can do about it.
You also have to keep in mind that, just as with seed you plant in the physical ground, there is a time element involved between planting your financial seed and receiving the corresponding harvest. God is in the spirit world, and that spirit world is outside the realm of the physical. The blessings God has given us as the result of our giving have to come from the spirit world into the physical world, and it is faith that makes that transfer. Therefore, you have to be patient.
You do not want to be tricked into thinking, "Well, that is really something! I planted my seed seven days ago, and I do not see anything yet. I’ll just go ahead and plow this ground up, pour some concrete, and make a patio instead." If you do that, you will most certainly miss out on your blessings. Remember that God is faithful, and He always honors His Word. Keep planting, keep watering, and your harvest is sure to manifest. IS TITHING AN OLD COVENANT PRACTICE? No, it is not. Tithing DID NOT originate with the Law of Moses. In Genesis 14:13-20, we are told that after Abraham rescued Lot and took back all the goods, he gave the priest Melchizedek "tithes of all." That was approximately 430 years before the Law of Moses was set down. God's financial plan has a twofold purpose. First, it is to provide our own material, physical, and financial needs. Second -- and this is equally as important as the first -- it is to finance the proclamation of the Gospel. Deuteronomy 8:18 tells us that God gives us power to get wealth, so that He may establish His covenant. He wants us to prosper as individuals -- and in our prospering, the family of God will prosper. WHAT DO I DO IF I CANNOT AFFORD TO TITHE? SHOULD I PAY MY BILLS FIRST? As for not paying a bill so you have money to give to God, that is STUPID. If you tell the man you are a Christian, make an agreement with him to pay him for services he renders to you, then do not keep your word when the money is due, you have lost your witness. If you do not have enough money to pay God and pay the light bill, you are already overextended. Remember, tithing is for your benefit, not God’s. If you think about it, not a penny of the tithe goes to God. It goes to the local church, and is fed back to you in services through the church. If you have not been tithing before now, you are already a God robber, so do not start tithing until you can afford to do it. If you do not pay a bill, you are robbing the people who sent you the bill, and that is even worse than robbing God. God will forgive you, but many times, people will not.
God looks at the heart and knows your desire to tithe. You can give offerings out of love for the furtherance of the Gospel (Luke 6:38), and God will honor your giving. Once an individual reaches a place in his financial standing where he is meeting his obligations and can tithe without using his bill or grocery money, then he should begin tithing and never stop.
WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TITHES AND OFFERINGS? Tithes go into the storehouse to support the local church. Offerings go into the Gospel for the support of the general ministry. Tithes are the tenth of what you make that belongs to God. Offerings come from the other 90 percent, and can be as small or as large as you want them to be. You could even give a nickel, and it would still be multiplied accordingly if you claim and stand on the promise regarding offerings in the Word. An example of offering or giving is Luke 6:38, where Jesus says, "Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you."
Notice, He says, "with the same measure" — not one like it or similar to it. Remember, the incoming is based on the outgoing. If you do not like the incoming, you had better change the outgoing, because Jesus says, "For with the same measure..."
CAN I TITHE TO MORE THAN ONE CHURCH? You should not split the tithe. ALL OF THE TITHE must go to the storehouse where you receive the major portion of your spiritual enrichment and education. That should not stop you from sending offerings from your 90 percent to other ministries which help you grow spiritually, if you wish to do that. God will bless you accordingly for it.
I think that this teaching of Mr Price,Jr is all for the Money(Mammon) is all Lies.
Title: Re: Tithing Vs. Giving Which One should I do?
Post by: dogcombat on September 16, 2006, 10:05:05 AM
You should start by reading Ray's paper on Tithing, the link is here
http://www.bible-truths.com/tithing.html
As for Price and Hagee, they're better off ignored for what they teach amounts to damnable heresies.
Ches
Title: Re: Tithing Vs. Giving Which One should I do?
Post by: dogcombat on September 16, 2006, 01:36:14 PM
Yes we should pray for them. I should have said that until God opens their eyes, they won't see His truths. But as far as sending a letter to them, that would be a waste of time. Their heresies are better off ignored.
Ches
Title: Re: Tithing Vs. Giving Which One should I do?
Post by: Caralis on September 16, 2006, 02:10:42 PM
Does The Bible tell us who Jacob actually paid the tenth to?
I don't think it does. Did he literally pay the tenth part to God?
Abraham paid a tithe on the spoils of a military campaign to the King of Salem, who was a priest of God. As for Jacob, I haven't got a clue.
Title: Re: Tithing Vs. Giving Which One should I do?
Post by: Victoria on September 18, 2006, 10:21:00 PM
Yes. Jacob gave the tenth. Because he made vow unto god.
When a man made vow unto God. He has to fulfill it. If not it will be sin. According to the word of God.
Title: Jacob's Tithing
Post by: Caralis on September 19, 2006, 07:01:05 AM
That makes sense. Thank you.
Title: Re: Tithing Vs. Giving Which One should I do?
Post by: Falconn003 on September 19, 2006, 09:55:31 PM
Caralis
You are very welcome.........
God bless Rodger
Title: Re: Tithing Teachings of Fredrick K. Price,Jr
Post by: Beloved on September 24, 2006, 02:12:53 AM
The problem with this prosperity gospel is that they are blaspheming God. The seed is the Word of God not money . Nowhere does it teach us to give so we can get.
At this point of maturity most true believers are no longer involved in worldly affairs and do not have need forf prosperity. They are totally reliant on the Father for their own needs . They will give whatever they have to help those who are in need.
Frederick Price and these other Oral Robert graduates are all into themselves. Notice that their names are on the banners. They do anough good works to give them credibility and not one cent more. Most of the money (multiple millions) goes into their own pockets. They use God's word as their advertising slogans. They will answer for thier greed.
Beloved
Title: Re: Tithing Teachings of Fredrick K. Price,Jr
Post by: Falconn003 on September 24, 2006, 06:03:01 AM
Oh my senses
these are the true KINGS of COMEDY, if not for thier trajedy they impose with thier blasphemy !
They know no shame!!
Those web site links condemn others for false prophecy yet they (((the web sites them selves))) adds to, subtracts from, and blasphemy the Word of God. Unbelievable
Preaching and teaching by way of links is a NO NO NO NO..............!!! even if so subtle .
nough said
Rodger
Title: Re: Tithing Teachings of Fredrick K. Price,Jr
Post by: Deborah-Leigh on September 24, 2006, 12:42:47 PM
hello and welcome on your first post! :)
To put a little light on this subject, Ray highlighted the following correct interpretation to Malachi 3:9 which explains VOLUMES! Here's quoting Ray..... ....."...there is no word 'ARE' in this Hebrew passage. It is even in italic in the King James to show that it is not part of the original Hebrew verse. It reads in Hebrew Interlinear as follows:
"In curse you cure and Me you defraud, the wole nation."
Here it is from the Concordant Old Testament: "With a curse you curse Me, and Me you are defrauding, the nation - all of it."
Rotherham's Emphasized Bible:
"With a curse have you been cursing, and yet Me have ye been defrauding, - the whole nation."
This proper and correct interpretaion takes the Heresy out and untwists the true meaning of the scripture. It also shows how distorted and abused and misrepresented Gods words have been in order to authorise theft, manipulation and control over millions of people who perish for lack of knowledge. Many do not know the truth and equally many do not want to know either and that is what makes this forum so precious....I have been learning the truth and growing in that freedom of peace of Christs Spirit and blessing since I have been studying Rays publications.....what is amaizing is that the more I study and apply my thoughts to what I am learning, the more I change and that is wonderful!....I am very grateful.....
Acturus
Title: Re: Tithing Teachings of Fredrick K. Price,Jr
Post by: knuckle on September 24, 2006, 07:17:36 PM
Hi all--------
I truly believe that God loves a gracious giver and I believe that if we feel led to give back to God for the blessing we recieve that the best way to do it is to help out someone in need.I am pretty sure that the rest of the world is not that different from my home town.There are plenty of folks out there who are hungry,may be ill,or just need a little help.A good church would recognise these folks and help out.Just because the majority of folks on this forum don't belong to a "church" per say doesn't mean we can't still show them folks a little love.
As for the prosperity gospel woe unto those folks who try to make merchandise of God.
much love------------knuckles
Title: Re: Tithing Teachings of Fredrick K. Price,Jr
Post by: mongoose on September 25, 2006, 01:06:57 PM
if we feel led to give back to God for the blessing we recieve that the best way to do it is to help out someone in need
That is exactly how I feel. I won't give a penny to the churches of men who will misuse it. Better to give it to those who need food or clothing or heat or any of the other millions of things I tend to take for granted way too often. There are so many in need of basic necessities.
"Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen: to loose the chains of injustice and untie the cords of the yoke, to set the oppressed free and break every yoke? Is it not to share your food with the hungry and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter— when you see the naked, to clothe him, and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood? Then your light will break forth like the dawn, and your healing will quickly appear; then your righteousness [a] will go before you, and the glory of the LORD will be your rear guard. Isaiah 58:6-8
"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' Matthew 25:34-40
A while ago I used to give to churches and feel bad if I didn't. I thought about these verses a lot....and about what they used the money for. It made me sad. I came to the conclusion that one way we can show our love for God, is to let Him use us to love and bless others. Nothing is more beautiful than to be used by God this way. Everything I have, even the clothes on my back, are all His, given to me for awhile. He is so generous and I am so thankful when He puts an opportunity to be used by Him to share His generous loving care with others.
mongoose
Title: Re: Tithing Teachings of Fredrick K. Price,Jr
Post by: longhorn on September 26, 2006, 10:58:22 AM
I called in to the Day Star "Marathon Fund raising Telethon" last week and pledged 150 thousand dollars, but I explained to the women that took my call that I needed to talk to Marcus Lamb in person over the phone. She was exstatic as she put me on hold. After around 30 sec. she was back on line and said Mr Lamb would not talk to me live over the air, but would call me on my home or cell phone. After 20 - 30 sec. of more religious political banter, she asked again for the amount of my pledge, and I saidn 150 pennies, pre-wrapped for convinence, there was 15 - 20 sec of DEAD silence. She said sir, I thought you said 150 thousand dollars. I replied, Im sorry, I gave that to Jimmy Swaggart Ministries. More DEAD silence. I was placed by on hold, this hold was eternal. I know what I did was wrong, but why did I feel so good about it. I guess old Longhorn has some maturing to do.
Love in Christ
Longhorn
Title: Re: Tithing Teachings of Fredrick K. Price,Jr
Post by: dogcombat on September 26, 2006, 12:16:26 PM
Well Longhorn,
I think Ole Anthony would thank you for that one. (smile)
Ches
Title: Re: Tithing Teachings of Fredrick K. Price,Jr
Post by: angie on September 26, 2006, 05:45:23 PM