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Title: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: musicman on August 07, 2009, 02:38:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laruFiU8uqg&feature=related

How'd y'all like the music.
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: bluzman on August 07, 2009, 04:30:25 PM
Watched a couple minutes. Couldn't stand the sound of his voice.
Bad fiddle, sounds like "The Devil Went Down to Georgia"
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: chav on August 07, 2009, 05:11:42 PM
Hi
Those strings sound like something out of a slasher movie.I think I only managed about a minute of it,it's horrible.
Dave
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: bluzman on August 07, 2009, 06:23:33 PM
Hi Dave, You are right about the slasher thing. The same mentality used to produce these slaughter movies is the same one as these
hell-boys use to manipulate people.
They are designed to terrify you and and at the same time hold you in their grasp, giving them control over your fears. Once they hook some poor soul, it's like 24/7.
Bluzman
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: Ninny on August 07, 2009, 06:30:56 PM
That's got to be the saddest thing I ever heard :'(  The DRAMA!! Did you hear anything about the extreme love of a passionate God in THAT sermon?? Did you hear anything about a Father who loves His children with a love that will go to ANY length to save them?? WHAT kind of god does he serve? Thank you, Musicman..that is such a reminder of why we do NOT partake of THAT cup anymore!! I am so glad that MY God and MY Father loves me and would never toss me away like that, no matter how far away I go! Every second some idiotic preacher tells people that God is a god of hate, vengeance, and pain..very, very sad..... :'(
My God?? Passionate, loving, merciful, and longsuffering!!  :D :D
Kathy :D ;)
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: lilitalienboi16 on August 08, 2009, 03:08:57 PM
GAH BLASPHEMY and our Lord is turned into nothing more than a carnal man because of the garbage people like this man spew out on a daily basis infront of pulpits in which millions of people hear and listen and believe! GAH. OH LORD HOW LONG!!!! GARBAGE, I cannot stand this, im typing this as i listen to what this man is saying. UTTER GARBAGE. CHRISTIAN PORNOGRAPHY INDEED. AHHHHHH
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: firefly77 on August 08, 2009, 03:14:57 PM
Thanks to all those of you who watched it... gave me an incentive not to visit the site. I am not mad at these deceived people but so deliriously happy to be here where it is safe and sane.

Angie
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: Ninny on August 08, 2009, 03:31:04 PM
Angie,
My grandsons used to go to a Baptist school, the pastor of that church is so passionate about keeping people out of hell, I have heard him preach and I am always thinking he's going to have a stroke. He REALLY believes that so many people are going to burn for eternity in hell. I have thought if we used all that passion to show people how loving God is and what an awesome Father He is, a lot of pain and mental anguish could be relieved, I guess all is in God's plan.. I've told about this before, but my 12 year old grandson asked him how it is that people will go to hell for eternity when death AND hell are going to be cast into the lake of fire!! Sometimes it only takes a moment of thought. Children can understand that God is a GOOD and LOVING Father!!
Kathy :D
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: daywalker on August 08, 2009, 08:01:12 PM

YUCK!!!!! >:( :o
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: daywalker on August 08, 2009, 09:53:05 PM

How funny,

I left a comment for that video a few hours ago which stated that

"Nobody is in hell right now. The wages of sin is death NOT eternal life in hellfire Rom 6:23. [Also added like 10 verses for people to look up]. Dead people are dead waiting for the 'resurrection of the dead'.

Jesus never spoke of hell, he spoke of Gehenna--valley of Hinnom, and Hades--unseen.

Amazing what a Bible Concordance will reveal [smiley face]."

[not exact; based on my memory... ]

Just went back to see if anybody replied to my comment.. but it WAS GONE! VANISHED! DELETED!  ??? :o Apparently, the video poster had no intelligent reply, so he decided rather to delete my comment and hope that nobody noticed..


Haha.. that's weird.  :D


Daywalker.  8)

Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: Ninny on August 08, 2009, 11:04:58 PM
Daywalker,
Sometimes to some people the truth is scarier than the lies!! When people are afraid and don't know how to answer,  their reaction is to ignore it and when possible...get rid of it! Funny..how can "God will save EVERYONE" be scarier than "Choose Christ or God will throw you into hell where you will burn and continue to burn for eternity"? I don't get it!! Just ask Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort! They are so sure of a forever burning hell that they'll accost people on the street and threaten them with eternal damnation..how RUDE!!

Let's see...where is that scripture that says "Accept Jesus or ELSE!"  Oh, what? There isn't one?? heehee!! :o :P

How about "...mercy triumphs over (rejoiceth against) judgment." Js 2:13 ?? hmm? If God's judgments (in hell fire) are eternal, how in the world can MERCY rejoice over it?? duh!
Kathy ;)
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: daywalker on August 09, 2009, 01:18:44 AM
Daywalker,
Sometimes to some people the truth is scarier than the lies!! When people are afraid and don't know how to answer,  their reaction is to ignore it and when possible...get rid of it! Funny..how can "God will save EVERYONE" be scarier than "Choose Christ or God will throw you into hell where you will burn and continue to burn for eternity"? I don't get it!! Just ask Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort! They are so sure of a forever burning hell that they'll accost people on the street and threaten them with eternal damnation..how RUDE!!

Let's see...where is that scripture that says "Accept Jesus or ELSE!"  Oh, what? There isn't one?? heehee!! :o :P

How about "...mercy triumphs over (rejoiceth against) judgment." Js 2:13 ?? hmm? If God's judgments (in hell fire) are eternal, how in the world can MERCY rejoice over it?? duh!
Kathy ;)



So true, Kathy.

He even quoted Rev 14:10 [I can't believe that he did, but he did!] as proof that many will burn forever in real fire forever

"The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:"

So he's saying that we have HOLY [not Evil but H-O-L-Y] angels and a LAMB [not a Lion, nor Serpent, but a L-A-M-B] watching people being literally tortured with real fire and brimstone [why the brimstone? oh, who cares, it says brimstone.. picky picky]

Yea, if that's a literal future event I doubt anyone or any thing HOLY will be there watching... certainly not a LAMB!! Sometimes I forget how bad it really is in Babylon... and then I see a video like this. Disgusting!


- Daywalker  8)
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: geokuhns on August 09, 2009, 01:42:41 AM
I could only take about two minutes of this poor soul.  :o He's going to need a psychiatrist some day.  :-\ His name is Tim Conway. Tim Conway was a comedian. He's no Tim Conway. More like a Saddam Hussein or Vincent Price. If you know who Vincent Price is ("The Fly", "House of Wax", "Fright Fest", "Bloodbath at the House of Death", "Dr. Phibes Rises Again", "The Raven", "The Keys of the Kingdom" etc. etc.) you have been around for awhile.  ;D

George
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: Ninny on August 09, 2009, 02:33:39 PM
Ewww, I HAVE been around awhile!!! I DO remember Vincent Price...Oh younger folks COULD remember him..his voice was on Michael Jackson's "Thriller"!!  :D
Kathy :)
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: jerreye on August 11, 2009, 03:35:24 PM
Hey Daywalker, I posted a comment as well stating the truths of the salvation of all men and I just went back to it and it was GONE!!! And it only took about 3 minutes for them to delete it! Seems their heart just cannot bare the truth. Very sad indeed.
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: daywalker on August 11, 2009, 03:56:20 PM
Hey Daywalker, I posted a comment as well stating the truths of the salvation of all men and I just went back to it and it was GONE!!! And it only took about 3 minutes for them to delete it! Seems their heart just cannot bare the truth. Very sad indeed.


Yep, the sad part is that it's obvious that not only are they themselves deceived, but they're willfully deceiving others.

Jeremiah 5:31 The prophets have prophesied falsely, And the priests bear rule by their means, And My people have loved [it] so, And what do they at its latter end?

Jeremiah 50:6 A perishing flock has My people been, Their shepherds have caused them to err, [To] the mountains causing them to go back, From mountain unto hill they have gone, They have forgotten their crouching-place


May God be merciful; they know not what they do...

- Daywalker  8)

Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: OBrenda on August 11, 2009, 09:40:54 PM
I tried really hard to watch the whole thing, but I quit when I threw up in my mouth!

 ::)
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: indianabob on August 12, 2009, 03:22:12 AM
Regarding Fire and Brimstone,
I recall that Ray wrote about that and I think he explained it that Fire provided heat and the brimstone in the fire was a purifying agent.  The brimstone was most likely the chemical sulfur.

Regarding what the preacher said in the first minute: I think that he has a point. Lots of people who believe in an eternity in hell fire still don't believe that it applies to them.  They may talk about hell fire being the fate of non-believers or those who don't attend their particular church, but when a close relative dies they make all kinds of excuses to explain why their beloved parent is not consigned to the hell fire that they think that they believe in for others.
 
It seems confusing and it certainly is a double standard.  They think that those who go to church are already saved although even a member parent who hasn't attended for years other than for weddings or funerals will still go to heaven because of the prayers of their children and other loved ones.

That may be why the Tim Conway has an audience.  These folks recognize the weaknesses and sins of men but don't include themselves in that category.  They are not terrible sinners, just children who make a few mistakes for which they are sorry.
I can just imagine the surprise that they will have when resurrected to judgment.  Shock at not being in heaven with wings or some such thing and on the other hand relief that what they are facing is a merciful Lord and savior in the fiery purification process.

Fear mongering such as this seems to carry over into our child rearing processes and it is a shame because there is so much of God's creation to teach our children to look forward to and to anticipate with joy.

Bob
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: kweli on August 12, 2009, 07:12:50 AM
Hello everyone.

While on Tim's video page two days ago, I skimmed through a few others and bumped into Paul Washer. I know he misses the part where some are administrators and helpers in the church. Or that every part is responsible for different tasks in order for the body to function as a whole. So I do admit that this purporting missionary work as the one and only true way of christianity is wrong. And there're also talks about hell  :P

But the way this man preaches repentance has got me thinking. We may be 'comfortable' with sinning because we know that GOD is the ONE who does the changing (I've seen threads on the subject). But we also know that GOD is not 'comfortable' with sin. We see this from Genesis to Revelations. This is not sarcastic: is it pleasing to GOD for us to continue sinning? To keep practicing it?

I dont mean to come down on people. I dont know what they get up to. But I know what I get up to. And this man's videos have helped me see that I ought to grovel and weep. Maybe I'm being hard on myself. And I'm definitely not 'deceived' by his antics or something like that. Sin isn't fulfilling. I don't know why we don't have any record of apostle Paul, the called & chosen chief sinner, continuing in sin after he was converted but I cant help but wonder...

All Glory to GOD

Oh, here's an example of the preaching I'm talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWMrKcFKqzk&feature=channel
I dont know if you hear anything here but please listen to the entire thing. Sorry if it appears I'm breaking the rules but like apostle Paul said, I rejoice that here, at the very least, Christ is preached.
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: Roy Martin on August 12, 2009, 10:27:14 AM
I did manage to get a few comments posted on that site, but now they have me blocked or something.
 I'm signed in as olderthanbefore.

Roy
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: Ninny on August 12, 2009, 10:44:45 AM
Roy I read your comments. I thought they were very good and I see that one of them was removed..So when the truth is presented it is rejected..hmm  :-\
Kathy ;)
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: Roy Martin on August 12, 2009, 12:47:29 PM
He has let me back in but wont address the truth the way I presented it to him because he can't without falling in a trap and he knows it. I'm trying to draw him into some things that he can't and won't prove.
 Don't know why I'm doing this. I just feel like it I guess.

Roy
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: daywalker on August 12, 2009, 03:35:02 PM
Regarding Fire and Brimstone,
I recall that Ray wrote about that and I think he explained it that Fire provided heat and the brimstone in the fire was a purifying agent.  The brimstone was most likely the chemical sulfur.

Bob


BRIMSTONE:

G2303
theion
Probably neuter of G2304 (in its original sense of flashing); sulphur: - brimstone.

G2304
theios
From G2316; godlike (neuter as noun, divinity): - divine, godhead.

G2316
theos
Of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with G3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively a magistrate; by Hebraism very: - X exceeding, God, god [-ly, -ward].


BRIMSTONE= "Our God is a Consuming Fire"--Hebrews 12:29

Think Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego...


- Daywalker.  8)
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: Ninny on August 12, 2009, 03:41:42 PM
Roy,
Maybe God is leading you to do that! So follow that lead..you never know!
Kathy ;)
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: MePogo on August 12, 2009, 06:57:45 PM
I did manage to get a few comments posted on that site, but now they have me blocked or something.
 I'm signed in as olderthanbefore.

Roy

I saw some comments (good stuff) on the site but when I tried to give you an "Amen" it wouldn't let me.  Oh well. 

How is this guy preaching the gospel when he doesn't seem to know it himself?  He thinks God is a loser?  He contradicts himself.  God loves us, he says.  Then he describes him torturing us for eternity with no hope of redemption.  He specifically mentions Muslims, Buddists and Catholics.  Whew!  I'm none of those things.  :-)  I'm simply a follower of Christ.  We are required to love God and one another.  Well, hard to love a God who is the worst terrorist ever, who is so filled with wrath that he will condemn those who never heard of Christ to eternity in his fabled hell.  The most frightening part is that he must be scaring people to death.  He actually addressed children there.  "You will gnash your teeth and blame your friends for leading you into hell".  Give me a break!  This horrible abuse of our Father and His love should be outlawed.  Oops... freedom of speech.  This stuff literally makes me sick.  Well, I guess God put him here with his blasphemous sermon for a reason.  Who am I to second-guess God?

Love and blessings to all of you
Pogo
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: Roy Martin on August 12, 2009, 07:25:03 PM
Hi Pogo
 It took a couple times for my post to show up but it wasn't until I accused him of being offended by the truth that he started to respond and let me post. He is in a corner and he knows it.
 Oh well, he put him self out there on a limb to have truth thrown at him. I'm not very good at it but its good practice for me.

Roy
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: daywalker on August 12, 2009, 08:15:40 PM
Hi Pogo
 It took a couple times for my post to show up but it wasn't until I accused him of being offended by the truth that he started to respond and let me post. He is in a corner and he knows it.
 Oh well, he put him self out there on a limb to have truth thrown at him. I'm not very good at it but its good practice for me.

Roy

Hello Roy,

Just a peaceful word of advice.. be careful out there  :)


Matthew 7:6 You may not be giving that which is holy to curs, nor yet should you be casting your pearls in front of hogs, lest at some time they shall be trampling them with their feet and, turning, they should be tearing you.


Daywalker  8)
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: Roy Martin on August 12, 2009, 08:27:37 PM
Thank you Daywalker. Advice taken. I had a weak moment but now I'm over it. I decided just a few minutes ago to not go there again.

Roy
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: daywalker on August 12, 2009, 08:29:55 PM

GOD Wills that All Be Saved and come to the knowledge of the Truth.


Timmy and the voice of Christendom shouts "No Way"


...but the voice of the Elect shouts back "YAHWEH!"


 :D ;) ;D :) 8) Daywalker
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: deftarchangel on August 13, 2009, 12:20:03 AM
"God is not losing his creation to Satan, God is allowing Satan to have most of His Creation, read Romans 9" - posted by illbehonest on Youtube

I know it's a serious topic, and the stance this guy is taking is a rather tragic and sad stance, but I had to laugh when I read that line!   :o   ;D  So, in essence, God is not simply losing the fight (against Satan), He's actually throwing the fight on purpose?!?  What possible reason would He have to do that?!?!?  Does God have a million-to-one bet riding on Satan at some casino in Vegas or something?

Makes no sense, man!

 ???
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: Roy Martin on August 13, 2009, 08:59:46 AM
I tried not to go back to that guy and said I wouldn't, but I did. Why is he letting me post but not others?
 The world is full of this kind of crap. Why should I care to give it the time of day?

Roy
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: Ninny on August 13, 2009, 11:07:38 AM
Roy,
I believe God is using you. Great job! When you've said all that God wants you to say, it will be over.. :D
Kathy ;)
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: Roy Martin on August 13, 2009, 11:54:40 AM
Maybe your right Kathy.

Roy
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: Roy Martin on August 28, 2009, 10:31:04 AM
They finally removed most of the scriptures I quoted and some things that Ray said they wouldn't even post. Now they won't let me post at all. Got me blocked. Oh well.
 They simply refuse to see that you can't contradict a literal scripture with a symbolic scripture. They see all scripture as literal, but this is the lieing spirit I guess that God sent them. I have learned something in this small challenge that we can not remove the blinders that God has put on these people no matter how hard we try or how right we are or how bold the scriptures are and how many times the scriptures say that all will be saved, they come back with one symbolic scripture that they think proves all the literal scriptures wrong. Positive proof that God is in Control.
Roy
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: Astrapho on August 28, 2009, 01:02:02 PM
This is why I refrain from getting into "discussions" with hell mongers. They never listen because God has blinded them and it'll be quite a waste of time... But then again, maybe God is using you to sow seeds. :o And there is the part about the foolishness of preaching.

Oh, what a terrible dilemma, but well, you do what you do and it's in God's control. At least we know that much. :)

Well I guess you've "said all that God wanted you to say". Time to shake the dust from your feet and move on, eh?  ;)
Title: Re: Most blasphamis sermon ever!!
Post by: daywalker on August 28, 2009, 01:31:17 PM
They finally removed most of the scriptures I quoted and some things that Ray said they wouldn't even post. Now they won't let me post at all. Got me blocked. Oh well.
 They simply refuse to see that you can't contradict a literal scripture with a symbolic scripture. They see all scripture as literal, but this is the lieing spirit I guess that God sent them. I have learned something in this small challenge that we can not remove the blinders that God has put on these people no matter how hard we try or how right we are or how bold the scriptures are and how many times the scriptures say that all will be saved, they come back with one symbolic scripture that they think proves all the literal scriptures wrong. Positive proof that God is in Control.
Roy

Hey Roy,

True that: God is in Control. Maybe those people you spoke with refused to see... but perhaps there was someone else, behind the scenes [so to speak], who only read, but never participated, who did "hear", and perhaps a few people did "see" a glimpse of hope and Truth in your comments before they were erased...

God's Ways are Mysterious :)


Daywalker  8)