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=> General Discussions => Topic started by: nightmare sasuke on April 17, 2006, 03:13:12 AM
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Can you guys believe it? I'm actually debating with atheists who think God will torment mankind for an eternity!!
http://www.evilbible.com/wforum/viewtopic.php?t=1467
I wanted to see what atheists think aion means. I thought they would be unbiased, but apparently even the unbelievers believe Jesus will torment mankind forever! Maybe that's why they are unbelievers?...
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Atheists do not believe in God. So how can they believe that God (who they believe does not exist) will torment anyone forever? Does anyone else see the problem here?
I was just joking. I meant, they believe the Scriptures teach God will torment mankind forever.
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Atheists do not believe in God. So how can they believe that God (who they believe does not exist) will torment anyone forever? Does anyone else see the problem here?
I was just joking. I meant, they believe the Scriptures teach God will torment mankind forever.
Well, as long as the athiest have to encounter the churches and the internet copy and paste spammer crowd trying to get them to "Turn or Burn" it will be very hard to get them to agree, especially when that agreement causes no real change in thier philosophy.
Even if they are convinced that the scriptures cause no eternal torment, your still faced with them being offended by our love for a God that willfully and knowingly subjects his creation to evil. And without a doubt, we know thats true.
Our belief that God will make it right means nothing to them because they do not believe and we cannot prove that we are correct in reality no matter how many scriptures we use.
I am in no way trying to discourage your conversations as the truth will make them think and possibly, question. I have an athiest friend that occasionally poses questions about our existance and I try to do my best to just be honest.
In reality, even tho I would be argued with, I do not believe in athiests.
If God wrote his laws on our hearts in the new covenant, then they have to have that in thier heart as well. I just think that they reject religious doctrine, no matter who is speaking of it.
Anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong in that according to scripture.
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Atheists do not believe in God. So how can they believe that God (who they believe does not exist) will torment anyone forever? Does anyone else see the problem here?
I was just joking. I meant, they believe the Scriptures teach God will torment mankind forever.
I think their goal is to show that God is cruel so why should we believe in a god like that? So if you start showing God to be the beauty that he is, it threatens that angle. The enemy is swift to steal seed.
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That "Z" guy you're speaking with...
I'll take care of him...
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Alrighty then...done.
You should see my reply right below his last one towards you. That should shut him up.
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Alrighty then...done.
You should see my reply right below his last one towards you. That should shut him up.
Origen II, I read the reply on evilbible before I saw you respond here on bible-truths. At first, I thought it was an atheist responding to me! Haha. Thanks Origen II, it's nice to know that I'm not alone. However, they will not see unless God opens their eyes. But I dunno, I get a weird feeling about garza... Maybe he'll begin to see? ;D If not, then God’s will be done! Lets keep both of them, especially garza, and the entire forum in our prayers, though. Alright?
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Alrighty then...done.
You should see my reply right below his last one towards you. That should shut him up.
Origen II, I read the reply on evilbible before I saw you respond here on bible-truths. At first, I thought it was an atheist responding to me! Haha. Thanks Origen II, it's nice to know that I'm not alone. However, they will not see unless God opens their eyes. But I dunno, I get a weird feeling about garza... Maybe he'll begin to see? ;D If not, then God’s will be done! Lets keep both of them, especially garza, and the entire forum in our prayers, though. Alright?
I shall pray with you.
I just tire of these Atheist and other so-called "learned" people trying to tell us what is and isn't.
It's obsurd.
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I think you still need to learn you can not save anyone nightmare sasuke. Farther more these people clam have read the bible, and they still do not believe. They are denying Jesus before men.
Matt. 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Even worse they stand in Judgment of Jesus. They are of the Pharisees. They believe themselves to be better then God.
Matthew 7:1 [ Judging Others ] "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
Luke 6:37 [ Judging Others ] "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
Luke 19:26"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. 27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."
John 5:28"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. 30By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
You should stay out of Sodom. It is not safe in there, or healthy. Even Paul would no go in to such a place.
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Pro 19:3 The foolishness of man perverteth his way: and his heart fretteth against the LORD.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness.
1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Until the Lord breaks you, and then begins to open your eyes this is indeed all foolishness, especially someone drawn to satanism (the worship of man's natural, carnal state). In this condition the Spiritual Word of God is nonsense. The only important thing is the here and now, very understandable if faith in Him is not in the equation. If you have no faith in Him the only thing you have that is tangible is today and whatever pleasure you are capable of drawing out of it.
Joe
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The Lord said it (His Word) is foolishness to the natural man, try describing a rainbow to a man blind since birth and you will get an idea of how impossible it is to understand God and His purpose through human reasoning.
Hope this helps,
Joe