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Hi everyone

I pray you are all well. I was wondering did Ray ever talk about Noah and his family about what they may of felt after they enter the  ark and God closed the door I know the rain started and it had to be awhile before the water was deep enough to make the ark float
So during that time the people outside the ark must of been screaming and banging on ark to get in .
That had to of been horrible to listen to .any thought or comments on this
God bless
Wendy

I am sure it was horrible for the people outside the ark, and no picnic for Noah and his family, but it is not something I tend to think about. I am more interested in the spiritual significance of Noah's Ark as we have to live every word within.

Matthew 4:4
4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

I think it was as sudden as sudden could be. The waters came from not only above, but below as well.

Gen 7:11  In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
Gen 7:12  And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

Ray did a paper on the suddenness of destruction that will come upon the earth. I think Ray used the following verse as one of his proof texts.

1Th 5:2  For you yourselves know very well that the Day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3  When they say, "Peace and security," then sudden destruction comes on them, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

The parable of the Ten Virgins also comes to mind.

Mat 25:1  "Then the kingdom of heaven will be like 10 virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the groom.
Mat 25:2  Five of them were foolish and five were sensible.
Mat 25:3  When the foolish took their lamps, they didn't take oil with them.
Mat 25:4  But the sensible ones took oil in their flasks with their lamps.
Mat 25:5  Since the groom was delayed, they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
Mat 25:6  "In the middle of the night there was a shout: 'Here's the groom! Come out to meet him.'
Mat 25:7  "Then all those virgins got up and trimmed their lamps.
Mat 25:8  But the foolish ones said to the sensible ones, 'Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.'
Mat 25:9  "The sensible ones answered, 'No, there won't be enough for us and for you. Go instead to those who sell, and buy oil for yourselves.'
Mat 25:10  "When they had gone to buy some, the groom arrived. Then those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut.
Mat 25:11  "Later the rest of the virgins also came and said, 'Master, master, open up for us!'
Mat 25:12  "But he replied, 'I assure you: I do not know you!'
Mat 25:13  "Therefore be alert, because you don't know either the day or the hour.

I don't know why, but I have a hard time believing that everyone in the land/region literally died. Nevertheless, I'm probably very wrong about that. I do believe everyone and everything was “swept away” off the land/region, however. Thus, I'm sure there is a lot more to learn about Noah's flood for me.

Hey Wendy, I hope someone can find something about Ray and Noah but I’ve come up empty.  We know that God had Noah and his family and the animals get into the ark seven days before the flood waters started.  We can’t really know, but I’m inclined to think that storm was so furious, so overwhelming, so devastating that nobody went anywhere .  If it was hailing, then who goes out in hail? If it was like a firehose on you, who can even run?  I’m from Florida, and if you know anything you do not go out in a hurricane.  I just think it was more than a person could withstand .

Hi everyone

I pray you are all well. I was wondering did Ray ever talk about Noah and his family about what they may of felt after they enter the  ark and God closed the door I know the rain started and it had to be awhile before the water was deep enough to make the ark float
So during that time the people outside the ark must of been screaming and banging on ark to get in .
That had to of been horrible to listen to .any thought or comments on this
God bless
Wendy

I agree Mike.  If it happened, it was supposed to happen. Just like everything else in life. A time and a purpose for everything under the sun (paraphrasing).

I don't think we can say "if he had not..." as his eating of the fruit {at least in my opinion} that was part of the creation process

No, not created perfect but death did not come into the world until sin came into the world.  ( Romans 5: 12.  Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death passed until all men…..” )
And just to add something else to it,  Genesis 3- “ Look, the man has become as one of us, to know good and evil.  What if he stretches out his hand and takes also from the tree of life and eats, and lives forever? And Yahweh God sent him out from the garden of Eden….”

Hi October,
So if the tree of life hadn't been tasted of yet, then he wasn't immortal yet.
But could he have taken of the tree of life first?
Or does that take a miracle from God to accomplish?

Plus if we think about it...even if he wasn't yet condemned for sin, he and Eve did have to eat for sustenance and breath oxygen to burn food for energy to function.
He or they still were just a "mechanical device" composed of matter and water and invested with the spirit of life and subject to die of starvation or suffocation.

Thanks for all the ideas, Bob

This is my understanding:

He couldn't have taken from the tree of life first. The tree of life represents Christ and deathlessness (Gen 3:22 lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever, John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever).

Every human being that has ever been born must first eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil to "become like one of Us, to know good and evil," before taking from the tree of life.

1 Corinthians 15:45-50

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Rom.8:20….. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly,
but by Him who has subjected the same in hope.

21… because the creature itself also shall be delivered from THE BONDAGE OF
CORRUPTION into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Man was never immortal, neither was he incorruptible.
Not before Adam and Eve sinned . Not after. This is why Paul tells us
that .

1 Cor. 15 53…. For this CORRUPTIBLE must put on incorruption ,
and this MORTAL must put on immortality.


From the LOF 15, all caps Rays

Oh , so my meaning was right but the terms were wrong ? Why is it so simple when you say it Dennis and I make it so complicated ?

"So, I think God alone has immortality" 

God lives 'eternally' and is not immortal because He alone has no beginning and no end as you point out. Only Jesus has immortality (for now) because He had a beginning as you point out.