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Anyone else think the wrath of God is coming soon upon America for this perversion ruling by the Supreme Court? I'm prepping for another massive economic collapse like 2008, except I think it's going to be much worse this time.
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Go ahead and talk about this but please do not bring politics into it at all.
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America has been in decline for a long time now, I believe all things will be subjected under Christ , that includes the United States of America too.
Do not become fainthearted when you hear of such rulings as all is in the plan of God, also everything that happens in this life are the intentions of God to humble us.
I no longer vote for either party and am no longer interested in the affairs of man, I am just passing through from this age to the next age where Christ will reign and all will learn righteousness.
Keep your eye on the prize and trust only God to do the right thing and put no trust in man or women or even yourself.
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I think i am just gonna move a little farther north of Edmonton just to be on the safe side, these gay people are gonna have a gun in one hand and a joint in the other giving God are the glory for their happiness. ha, ha, no wonder we cant catch a UFO Aliens don't want nothing to do with us and a planet like this ungodly place. Ricky
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America has been in decline for a long time now, I believe all things will be subjected under Christ , that includes the United States of America too.
Do not become fainthearted when you hear of such rulings as all is in the plan of God, also everything that happens in this life are the intentions of God to humble us.
I no longer vote for either party and am no longer interested in the affairs of man, I am just passing through from this age to the next age where Christ will reign and all will learn righteousness.
Keep your eye on the prize and trust only God to do the right thing and put no trust in man or women or even yourself.
Amen!
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I grieved yesterday - I knew it was coming. I have to say, BT gives me perspective I would not have had otherwise. I know God is working in the hearts of man, I know He is hardening the hearts of those who do not honor Him for a reason, and I know that this is an opportunity. It's an opportunity to show love in the midst of our political mess. It's an opportunity to speak His name and be persecuted for it. It's an opportunity to be in a culture where we are truly a peculiar people, a people set apart. How did the first and second century Christians make such a difference in those around them? They loved them, their light shone in the midst of darkness and they truly did love their enemies and did good to them. I'm asking God to give me that kind of love, because I don't have it in the abundance I need. And we here are truly peculiar because we don't fit in to almost all 'churches' . On the one hand, I have never felt so alone in my walk. On the other, I think that's probably a good place to be.
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Anyone else think the wrath of God is coming soon upon America for this perversion ruling by the Supreme Court? I'm prepping for another massive economic collapse like 2008, except I think it's going to be much worse this time.
Yes, I do think the same thing. But I don't want to live in fear- it's all in God's hands.
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So the High Priests of the State have decreed that sodomites and 'lesbians' are now legally sanctioned "family"... if they sign the right documents, perform the specified 'ceremonies' and pay the appropriate fees (contract with the state)...They are "married".
Whatever that means.
True believers don't have to abide by such a ruling though. The now official Law of the Land (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUPREME_COURT_GAY_MARRIAGE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-06-26-10-02-52) doesn't apply to Christ's followers. We don't have to acknowledge homosexual "relationships" as marital unions---as FAMILY!.
But what about Romans 13? Those believers who espouse the undiluted allegiance to the "State" (PER Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2:13-) now may find themselves in a bit of a pickle, no? What to do? ???
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So the High Priests of the State have decreed that sodomites and 'lesbians' are now legally sanctioned "family"... if they sign the right documents, perform the specified 'ceremonies' and pay the appropriate fees (contract with the state)...They are "married".
Whatever that means.
True believers don't have to abide by such a ruling though. The now official Law of the Land (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUPREME_COURT_GAY_MARRIAGE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-06-26-10-02-52) doesn't apply to Christ's followers. We don't have to acknowledge homosexual "relationships" as marital unions---as FAMILY!.
But what about Romans 13? Those believers who espouse the undiluted allegiance to the "State" (PER Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2:13-) now may find themselves in a bit of a pickle, no? What to do? ???
No Neo, we do not believe the Scripture teach us to give undiluted allegiance to the State.
The Scriptures teach us to submit ourselves to all lawful government and rule. To pay our taxes to the government. Not to speak evil of rulers. To obey those who are over us.
However, when there is a conflict between man's rule and God's, we peacefully follow God's ways, even if we are persecuted and suffer for those beliefs.
God's Kingdom is not of this world. We follow Jesus.
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I'm in absolutely no pickle at all.
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Anyone else think the wrath of God is coming soon upon America for this perversion ruling by the Supreme Court? I'm prepping for another massive economic collapse like 2008, except I think it's going to be much worse this time.
clv
Rom 1:18 For God's indignation is being revealed from heaven on all the irreverence and injustice of men who are retaining the truth in injustice,
drb
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and injustice of those men that detain the truth of God in injustice:
i think the lying charlatan "pastors" have more to fear than confused "men" who cant help themselves ...
this stuff MUST happen ... even lying pastors
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This age will continue to have perversions of every kind, debauchery, famine with starvation, wars and nations rise up and they collapse and this will continue right up to the end.
Ecc 1:9 That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun.
I remember when in WWG how much they warned us to "watch" world events, so that when the 10 nations formed (10 toes of the great image in Nebuchadnezzar dream) we would know that Christ return was near, after the 3 1/2 years of great tribulation. Is that really what Christ meant by "watch"? Do we still believe as the church taught we are to keep up with the goings on of the world so we won't be caught off guard?
Luke 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts are weighed down with headaches and drinking and anxieties of this life; and that day should suddenly come on you;
v. 35 for it shall come as a snare on all those sitting on the face of the whole earth.
v. 36 Watch therefore, praying in every season that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things which shall occur, and to stand before the Son of Man.
So yes we are to "watch" so that we can "stand before the Son of Man" at His return. And how do we "stand"? By keeping up with world events? I don't think so.
1Cor 16:13 Watch, stand fast in the faith, be brave, be strong.
v. 14 Let all that you do be done with love.
Eph 6:13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm.
The "evil day" is right now or any day during this age.
Eph 5:14 Therefore He says: "Awake, you who sleep, Arise from the dead, And Christ will give you light."
v. 15 See then that you walk circumspectly, not as fools but as wise,
v. 16 redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
Mark 13:35 Therefore stay awake—for you do not know when the master of the house will come, in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or in the morning—
v. 36 lest he come suddenly and find you asleep.
v. 37 And what I say to you I say to all: Stay awake."
Mark 4:19 and the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things entering in choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.
We are not of this world, why have our minds on those things that we are to come out of? We need not worry about what may or may not develop because of the corruption all around us, God will provide
Matt 6:31 "Therefore do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?'
Col 3:1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.
v. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth.
v. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
v. 4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.
v. 5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.
v. 6 Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience,
v. 7 in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Ray talks about marriage in this audio: https://youtu.be/TrXyHN00q0Q (https://youtu.be/TrXyHN00q0Q)
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Anyone else think the wrath of God is coming soon upon America for this perversion ruling by the Supreme Court? I'm prepping for another massive economic collapse like 2008, except I think it's going to be much worse this time.
i think the lying charlatan "pastors" have more to fear than confused "men" who cant help themselves ...
I don’t think pastors can help themselves anymore than confused men or anyone else, if Christ can do nothing on His own, what is anyone else going to do on their own?
To the one who says I will should check to see if its in the counsel of God first.
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No Neo, we do not believe the Scripture teach us to give undiluted allegiance to the State.
The Scriptures teach us to submit ourselves to all lawful government and rule. To pay our taxes to the government. Not to speak evil of rulers. To obey those who are over us.
However, when there is a conflict between man's rule and God's, we peacefully follow God's ways, even if we are persecuted and suffer for those beliefs.
God's Kingdom is not of this world. We follow Jesus.
Well, John, I realize that "WE do not believe the Scripture teach us to give undiluted allegiance to the State". But unfortunately the majority sitting in the pews most certainly do. Who knows, perhaps some here do also.
But it is interesting that you said WE (per Christ's commands?) submit ourselves to "all lawful government and rule." What is "lawful government"? Care to enlighten?
And "to pay our taxes to the government." Chapter and verse there? (Not saying I'm advocating not paying taxes, but where are Christ's followers commanded to do that?)
And also, "Not to speak evil of rulers. To obey those who are over us." Whatever does it mean to "speak evil"?...And who, exactly, are these "rulers" that we should obey?
Just honestly asking...wondering if you can shed some light on a truly muddled concept.
Meanwhile, many still believe that the state defines marriage, not God. For them, (if they are truly hearers and doers of the Word), in light of the High Priests' decree, they must be quite conflicted right now...all I was saying.
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Ray talks about marriage in this audio: https://youtu.be/TrXyHN00q0Q (https://youtu.be/TrXyHN00q0Q)
A lot of those questions are answered here, Neo.
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No Neo, we do not believe the Scripture teach us to give undiluted allegiance to the State.
The Scriptures teach us to submit ourselves to all lawful government and rule. To pay our taxes to the government. Not to speak evil of rulers. To obey those who are over us.
However, when there is a conflict between man's rule and God's, we peacefully follow God's ways, even if we are persecuted and suffer for those beliefs.
God's Kingdom is not of this world. We follow Jesus.
Well, John, I realize that "WE do not believe the Scripture teach us to give undiluted allegiance to the State". But unfortunately the majority sitting in the pews most certainly do. Who knows, perhaps some here do also.
But it is interesting that you said WE (per Christ's commands?) submit ourselves to "all lawful government and rule." What is "lawful government"? Care to enlighten?
And "to pay our taxes to the government." Chapter and verse there? (Not saying I'm advocating not paying taxes, but where are Christ's followers commanded to do that?)
And also, "Not to speak evil of rulers. To obey those who are over us." Whatever does it mean to "speak evil"?...And who, exactly, are these "rulers" that we should obey?
Just honestly asking...wondering if you can shed some light on a truly muddled concept.
Meanwhile, many still believe that the state defines marriage, not God. For them, (if they are truly hearers and doers of the Word), in light of the High Priests' decree, they must be quite conflicted right now...all I was saying.
Isaiah 6v9, interestingly "Government" Greek word is translated "reign" that is (in time)
I interpret the scripture as "In time", all will do as He done, there will be no variation in His example.
Under Herod,or under Pharaoh or under Roman rule we live as he enables us.
Paul got a few "claps" (ZA slang for slap)
For it is written: Thou shalt not speak evil of the prince of thy people. acts 23:5 and Ex 2:28 ...possibly referring to those under Satan's power ?
ERV
Mat 17:24 Jesus and his followers went to Capernaum. There the men who collect the two-drachma Temple tax came to Peter and asked, "Does your teacher pay the Temple tax?"
Mat 17:25 Peter answered, "Yes, he does." Peter went into the house where Jesus was. Before Peter could speak, Jesus said to him, "The kings on the earth get different kinds of taxes from people. But who are those who pay the taxes? Are they the king's children? Or do other people pay the taxes? What do you think?"
Mat 17:26 Peter answered, "The other people pay the taxes." Jesus said, "Then the children of the king don't have to pay taxes.
then, keeping principle of Love we get ...
Mat 17:27 But we don't want to upset these tax collectors. So do this ..
Regarding the "Gay" lifestyle these type are, lets not say forced ;D lets say,
Act 1 v 28 "gently" given over to a disqualified mind, to do that which is not befitting,
If one has a disqualified mind and God has done this... its non of our business ?
To me these things must be as they are in accordance with His will, for now or until the gift of a renewed mind is given.
I don't do Gay, but my thoughts toward them have changed (they don't know what they do, whilst in "disqualified" mode)
Therefore do not speak evil of "them" or it would appear, we who do this, also have a disqualified mind
Rom 1 vs 29,30,31,32
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Keep your eyes on Greece, and what is happening over there. They are a sign of what is to come upon the world. Here are the facts: 1) Record debt in the majority of nations 2) Record money printing (Quantitative Easing, as it is called) by the world's Central Banks. The Federal Reserve is our Central Bank. 3) Zero percent interest rates for almost 7 years, and last but certainly not least… (drum roll please)… 4) Over half a quadrillion dollars in derivatives bets exposure around the world. The time is short.
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Keep your eyes on Greece, and what is happening over there. They are a sign of what is to come upon the world
I remember reading a scripture but cannot find it however it said ( a quart of barley for a days wages )
Anyways, my point is I just got back from the super market and had spent $ 71.00 and received so little for the money. I had purchased three packs of bacon two packs of hamburger one dozen eggs and a few other items, not much.
Ray said that 911 was a significant date in history , I’m seeing the implication of that statement.
I know when Christ comes back He will be toppling the nations, it seems to be every nation on earth is in distress.
Luk 21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom;
Luk 21:11 and there shall be great earthquakes, and in divers places famines and pestilences; and there shall be terrors and great signs from heaven.
I don’t know if we are at the end of this age but it sure does appear as if we are with all that is going on all around us.
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History has shown that those nations that are successful at war can exist for very long periods of time, as did the Roman empire that lasted for about 1,000 years. The morals of the Romans are another subject all together.
War and all the equipment that is required, and the necessity for manufacturing plants, can be a boost to the economy of that warring nation, and its allies.
My dad worked in a cloth factory that made the material for parachutes during the second world war, he was exempt from military service because of this occupation.
Matthew 22:15-22
17-Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
18-But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
19-Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
20-And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
21-They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.
Joel
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War and all the equipment that is required, and the necessity for manufacturing plants, can be a boost to the economy of that warring nation, and its allies.
Its true that war is economically profitable . Some companies make millions if not billions on war. I can hardly wait for the day, when peace becomes economically profitable and war becomes a thing off the past. :)
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Rick… You made an excellent point in your comment, which was this: "Anyways, my point is I just got back from the super market and had spent $ 71.00 and received so little for the money. I had purchased three packs of bacon two packs of hamburger one dozen eggs and a few other items, not much". The Federal Reserve tells us that the inflation rate is only around 1.5%. The real rate is closer to 10%. One of the problems (besides fudging the numbers) is the Fed doesn't factor into their indicators food and fuel, amongst other things. Why? They give the excuse that those numbers are too "volatile" to be considered. What a crock! These are the main items of concern to Main Street. So much corruption in this nation, and the world. Come, Lord Jesus!
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AwesomeSavior, sometimes we need to think if it is good being so concerned in worldly events. Yes there is much corruption, because governments are all run by carnal men and women. It's all coming from people with their own selfish agendas within a system with a faulty design and all the conspiracy theories are the same.
If this country or any country is domed to economic collapse, if you determine this in advance what good is that? Should we join in with the survivalist mindset and prepare? I actually went down that road for a while some yrs ago, I first heard of it with the year 2000 bringing mass computer shutdown and turmoil. Since then it's always one thing or the other. I can now see that hoping to prepare for worldwide disaster is a totally carnal/worldly endeavor. I really think worrying about these things is pointless.
I finally realized I needed to stop feeding that desire for excitement that alarm brings, so I stopped listening to all the world news reports, that really only stirs up negativism... I watch very little news now, just some local news. I really think it's futile to hope to save myself/family from whatever was going to happen.
Now I just try to do the best I can, being a good steward of what God blesses me with, the future will be what it will be. Now I have so much more peace of mind, since I trust that He really can and will get me through whatever I face in this life.
Mat 6:25 "Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing?
v. 26 Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?
v. 27 Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?
v. 28 "So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin;
v. 29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
v. 30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
v. 31 "Therefore do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?'
v. 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.
v. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Keep your eyes on Greece, and what is happening over there.
Heb 12:2 We must keep our eyes on Jesus,
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If this country or any country is domed to economic collapse, if you determine this in advance what good is that? Should we join in with the survivalist mindset and prepare?
Kat,
It doesn't have to be an all or nothing endeavor. I'm not a 'survivalist' but I am a prepper. I do what I can with what I've got as a good steward should. There are plenty of examples in the scriptures of laying in store during good times against times that are not going to be so good. Anything can be done to excess. I would much rather have tangible assets with the little that I've got instead of electronic numbers on a computer screen telling me that the bank has such and such for me.
It's a curious thing at times. Laying in store is frowned upon as not trusting in God's provision. I get that. But many of the same people would never, ever think about not having life and health insurance. They contribute to their 401K or IRA. They might even have a brokerage account and most certainly have savings accounts. But put away a little food, water and sundry supplies that we think will always be available in the stores and suddenly your not trusting God or something. It's a no brainer for me to purchase in bulk when things are cheaper because everything is on sale right now when you know it's going to be far more expensive in the future. To me 'prepping' is a lifestyle and not for a single event. Many families during the great depression made it through because they had gardens, pantry's and knew how to make do with what they had. I guess that is something that I learned from my mother. She died last fall and was 92 years old. She grew up during the depression and had vivid memories that most people have forgotten today.
Having your eyes open today and looking around the world people would have to be blind not to see extremely difficult times on the horizon. I sleep very well at night. Not because I think that I am prepared but because I do trust in the Lord. I look at it this way. One might prepare and have a years worth of food put away. What if the problems last several years? What if what you have laid in store is stolen? Or what if your not even alive a year from now? Kind of like the parable of the man deciding to build a bigger barn and thought he had years left to 'eat, drink and be merry' and God called him a fool as that very night his life was to be required of him. I have great peace of mind knowing that all these things must come to pass and that nothing is out of control even if it may look like it. God knew the decision that the Supreme Court was going to make. God saw in advance that this nation is going the way of old testament Israel and thinking that it's blessings were because of it's skill and hard work. And knowing how God deals with nations who have turned from him it's not too difficult to see things continuing to get worse and not better. For me it's a pretty easy thing. I do what I can with what I've got and the results are up to God.
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Hi Arion, I see your point of being a prepper, having a well stocked pantry is a good idea, especially as I live in a coastal area and it's Hurricane season. I understand that and how we need insurance and savings to get us through unexpected, but normal life circumstances.
I guess where my thinking has changed is in thinking that every major natural catastrophe, or major social upheaval is leading to worldwide economic disaster... I think a lot of people still believe there will be a great tribulation at the end of this age, worse than anything before. Can we not see that this age has been filled with disasters and will be right up to it's end.
There have been plenty of times in history for people to think they were in the worst of it, whole civilizations have been wiped out before. The Black death estimated to have killed as much as 60% of Europe’s population. World War I was over 37 million: over 17 million deaths and 20 million wounded... World War II was even worse in absolute terms of total dead, Over 60 million people were killed, which was about 3% of the 1940 world population (est. 2.3 billion). Those were the major wars there have been countless lesser, but still horrific wars with huge death toils, where nations were decimated.
Earthquakes and volcanoes are the same, they have reaped destruction in the past as much as now. So why is everybody looking for a 'great tribulation' to come at the end of the age? I think it's because that is what the church taught and we have not let go of that. What did Christ say things would be like just before He returns?
Matt 24:37 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
v. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark,
v. 39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Luke 17:26 Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man.
v. 27 They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
v. 28 Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building,
v. 29 but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all—
v. 30 so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
The people of Noah's and Lot's day were living their normal lives and 'suddenly,' without warning or build up, they were sweep away and that's what Christ said it will be like at His return. I think Christ could return any day, nothing happening in the world will indicate it is approaching.
Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into.
v. 44 Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Luke 12:34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
v. 35 "Stay dressed for action and keep your lamps burning,
v. 36 and be like men who are waiting for their master to come home from the wedding feast, so that they may open the door to him at once when he comes and knocks.
v. 37 Blessed are those servants whom the master finds awake when he comes. Truly, I say to you, he will dress himself for service and have them recline at table, and he will come and serve them.
v. 38 If he comes in the second watch, or in the third, and finds them awake, blessed are those servants!
v. 39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have left his house to be broken into.
v. 40 You also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect."
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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There have been plenty of times in history for people to think they were in the worst of it, whole civilizations have been wiped out before. The Black death estimated to have killed as much as 60% of Europe’s population. World War I was over 37 million: over 17 million deaths and 20 million wounded... World War II was even worse in absolute terms of total dead, Over 60 million people were killed, which was about 3% of the 1940 world population (est. 2.3 billion). Those were the major wars there have been countless lesser, but still horrific wars with huge death toils, where nations were decimated.
Earthquakes and volcanoes are the same, they have reaped destruction in the past as much as now.
This is an excellent point. People talk about all the horrible things going on in the world, but it doesn't seem that bad to me, at least compared to at other points in history. They only seem just as bad (or worse) because there is television and social media, and we have immediate access to disasters and horrors all over the world.
By the numbers, nothing remotely as catastrophic as the Black Death has happened in the world since....well, probably since the Black Death. WWII might have seemed like the end of the world, but that took "only" 3 to 4 percent of the world population. The Black Death killed roughly 20% of the world---a huge difference. And as Kat said, the percentage was much higher in Europe. Also, WWII was a war. Deaths are inevitable. But they didn't know what the Black Death was. Imagine half the people in this country dropping dead and not knowing why or how. Imagine that happening in the Information age with TV and Internet...
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Hi Arion, I see your point of being a prepper, having a well stocked pantry is a good idea, especially as I live in a coastal area and it's Hurricane season. I understand that and how we need insurance and savings to get us through unexpected, but normal life circumstances.
I guess where my thinking has changed is in thinking that every major natural catastrophe, or major social upheaval is leading to worldwide economic disaster... I think a lot of people still believe there will be a great tribulation at the end of this age, worse than anything before. Can we not see that this age has been filled with disasters and will be right up to it's end.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Absolutely agree. Being labeled a 'prepper' means different things to different people. It can mean anything from a whacked out survivalist with a doomsday bunker to having a well stocked pantry as a normal way of life. Just depends on how you look at it and who you ask the question to. It's amazing to me that there are people in hurricane prone areas that don't have some items stocked away at the beginning of hurricane season. You see it every time when a hurricane watch is announced and people flock to the stores and strip everything in sight. If you know you live in a hurricane prone area it makes sense to prepare against that. Same with those folks who live in tornado alley in our midwest. It's not considered extreme by people down there to have a tornado shelter and some supplies on hand. For me living up here in the great white north it's crazy not to have a wood stove and a year or two worth of firewood laid up, ect.
I've prepped for over 20 years and I thank God that I've never needed any of those things. Any food put away can always be eaten or if it's getting older then giving it away to a food bank, ect. I personally know people who either lost their job or had a serious health issue and because they prepared against the unknown their children were able to eat and they didn't have to burden society by going on welfare. I take Greece right now for example and I reflect on Ray's Tower paper. What is coming to the U.S. is going to be worse than what is happening right now to Greece. Personally I think God warns us in advance for those that are listening in order to mitigate against what is coming...but thats just me. I think it's a matter of where you put your trust. It's easy to get off track putting your trust in what you can do and then turning into a nutty survivalist. If it consumes most of your time and your living in dread of the future then you have bigger problems. I just do what I can with what I've got and the results for good or bad are up to God. I can attest for me personally that God has never failed me and I still sleep well at night even in this nutty and mixed up world.
Take care!!
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Judgment may be coming but if you read Isaiah 1:9 it indicates that God will save us from total destruction because of the elect:
9Unless the Lord of hosts had left us a few survivors [remnant], we would be like Sodom we would be like Gomorrah.
You bring up a possible economic judgment... it is interesting that Greece is set to default tomorrow which has the potential to cause worldwide economic problems. I just read on the news that the US stocks hit the lowest point they have in years today because of this panic.