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=> Off Topic Discussions => Topic started by: Ricky on December 18, 2010, 07:46:35 PM
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Hi all, this video is real and cannot be prov-en fake. Go to the website metacafe, click on UFO Hawaii. Watch the video once or twice. You will see how fast this thing is. Now do what I did watch it this way. Play the video, use your mouse and the pause button, if you double click the pause many times, you will see this UFO UP CLOSE right at the window, it is a green and grey UFO. Incredible. Aliens don't exist, and spirits don't need transportation. This means only one thing that these things are homegrown. I have ten frame's of video printed out in color of this thing.
Ricky
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lol, and then I thought about it and they cant be homegrown if they have been there for 100`s 0f years or more. So the question goes back to the first topic I removed. What are they? Bible says we shall see signs and wonders in the Sky's. I don't think it means UFO`s.
Ricky
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The "sky" is the heavens of our minds. Some of our thoughts are "signs" and others sure are "wonders"! :)
Blessings
Arc
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Hi Ricky,
I have thought about this too. I don't know what it is, but I do NOT believe there is other life out there somewhere. But just a little speculation here in 'Off Topics.' I wonder if these are illusions to make people believe that there really are aliens though. The people on earth will fight Jesus Christ at His return, who do they think they are fighting against? The Son of God? I don't think so. But they could possibly believe they are fighting an alien invasion, what with all the movies about that I could see how a lot of people would believe it.
Rev 19:11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.
v. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.
v. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
v. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.
v. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
v. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
v. 17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, "Come and gather together for the supper of the great God,
v. 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great."
v. 19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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I shot a Rooster Rocket leftover from the 4th of july Saturday night..... wasn't paying attention which direction it was heading, but pretty sure it was due North which could explain all the fuss.
Longhorn
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Hi Kat, this is why I put UFO`s and God together as the 2 grand mysteries on earth. An illusion! I think God would have no reason to create life anywhere other than earth. Would not make Godly sense to do that. Impossible for man to put UFO Hawaii together. Since UFO`s come in many different shapes and sizes would make man believe in a universe full of aliens. I have study all the UFO photo`s and video`s on the net, some are fake from man 80% are not and cannot be explained. If this is an illusion now, I am wondering if it will be made a real event to forfull whatever God has planned for the end. I would like to send Ray this topic for his thoughts on the video.
Bless you all. Ricky
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LOL Longhorn
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Our universe is way to massive for there to be only life on just earth. If not? Then why in the world did God create the universe to be so huge? What would be the purpose of all that out there? That is my view.
Check out this size comparison chart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEheh1BH34Q
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The largest know star is said to be the diameter of the orbit of Saturn. Yet that is just a small speck in the universe. All that and absolutely no life anywhere out there? I believe God is much bigger than what can be contained in any book.
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Hey Phillip, I think the universe and everything in it is a micro-millimeter of a speck to God. If aliens or other life were real out there, God would not be real, evolution would win.
Ricky
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Rev 19:
v. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
v. 17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, "Come and gather together for the supper of the great God,
as i read these words of Scripture from kat's post, my heart spoke out and i heard it in my ears. regarding vs. 15 i was reminded again that we must sincerely die to our flesh, in this age, to continue carrying that cross and following the steps of our Saviour; because the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God to come will be intense. my soul was stirred to remember the sincere importance of applying His Word to our lives now, desiring to attain the 1st resurrection as the Elect of God. regarding vs. 17 i wanted to shout that i so don't want to be the meal at this supper of the great God. i want to eat with Him at His table, gathering for that supper of the bridegroom, Jesus Christ.
claudia
ps. i just wanted to say a shout out to longhorn. you are still possibly the funniest person i have ever met.
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Hey Phillip, I think the universe and everything in it is a micro-millimeter of a speck to God. If aliens or other life were real out there, God would not be real, evolution would win.
Ricky
God would not be real? That makes absolutely no sense at all, and has nothing to do with evolution.
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The Spirit of God is the Spirit of a sound mind......well said John!....and not forgetting the power and love that a "sound mind" includes! :)
Longhorn, your powerful, soundminded loving parables, bring joy, .....! :D :)
Blessings
Arc
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It is not hard for me to believe that this whole magnificent universe was brought into being for the sake of this tiny planet and it's human occupants.
Surely God could have made just our planet in a bubble all it's on to exist, but how much grander is our universe. Why wouldn't our great God want to do this creation of humanity, ultimately to be brought into His very image, on a grand scale?
I can easily see that all of the physical creation is for the purpose of the most brilliant and tremendous creation of humanity. We have been given the means to peer into the vastness of the universe and for us to be aware of the tremendous size and scope of this universe I think is a reflection of it's creator, our great God.
Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
Eph 4:10 So the one who came down is the same one who went up, above and beyond the heavens, to fill the whole universe with his presence.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Kathy the Faith of Christ, that shines via you, is Glorious!
1Co 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;
1Co 3:22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; ALL ARE YOURS![/color] 8)
Blessings
Arc
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I forget what audio I was listening to but Ray did say something in response to a question about aliens or star travel, ect. Ray shared that the magnitude of the distances involved would make it impossible to accomplish. When even at the speed of light it takes thousands of years to even travel from one star to another at times, ect. I try not to speculate but what is in my heart these last few years is that we are still at only the beginning of God's creation. I believe it's starting out with the earth and the creation of man. When all humanity is saved in the ages to come and we become 'like' God I consider that His Kingdom will be ever expanding.
1st witness; Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end.......
2nd witness; Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
When I consider that in the known universe there are perhaps several millions galaxies with tens of millions or hundreds of millions of stars in them and then trillions of planets around those multiplied millions of stars. Well, it blows the mind but God must indeed have grand plans for us in the ages to come and important things for us to do.
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Gen 1:1 Created by the Elohim were the heavens and the earth.
2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Heb 11:1 Faith assures us of things we expect and convinces us of the existence of things we cannot see.
1Co 4:6 My brothers, it is because of you that I have taken Apollos and myself as examples of these things, so that in us you might see that it is not wise to go farther than what is in the holy Writings,
2Th 2:11 And for this cause, God will give them up to the power of deceit and they will put their faith in what is false:
Peace...Mark
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Dear Phillip,
We don't know whether God started the creation of humans on this planet or on another planet or on several at the same time. Scripture doesn't directly address this question. However it really doesn't change how we should respond to our calling. God may have begun with us just for the reason that He wanted to share His creative work with a few million sons like Jesus. I don't think it really matters as long as we have faith and trust that our curiosity shall be satisfied and we shall be given this information at an appropriate time according to God's perfect will.
Consider what God gave Adam and Eve to administer with their own little creative hands; A whole planet filled with life and centuries and millennia to accomplish the task through descendants that they helped to create.
What a wonderful future we have in store.
Bob
Our universe is way to massive for there to be only life on just earth. If not? Then why in the world did God create the universe to be so huge? What would be the purpose of all that out there? That is my view.
Check out this size comparison chart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEheh1BH34Q
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So many definite declarations about things so little understood. The Kingdom Of The Heavens is within, does not continue on to say (and there is nothing else without). It is a big Creation for grown up sons and daughters to administer, that God Has been preparing us for. The nose under the tent is really the tip of the trunk of this massive elephant, but what is a massive elephant anyway?, and who cares?.
Oh, just for a bit of diversion, google: Pope Aliens, read a bit then say again, nothing else out there.
just saying.
george. ;D :o ::)
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"Jackass Flats, West Virginia"
Hey, I thought that was in Kentucky.
Craig
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Gen 3:20 And the man called the name of his wife, Eve; because she became the mother of all living.
point: ALL LIVING. i don't think Eve visited any other planets to populate
them.
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So many definite declarations about things so little understood. The Kingdom Of The Heavens is within, does not continue on to say (and there is nothing else without). It is a big Creation for grown up sons and daughters to administer, that God Has been preparing us for. The nose under the tent is really the tip of the trunk of this massive elephant, but what is a massive elephant anyway?, and who cares?.
Oh, just for a bit of diversion, google: Pope Aliens, read a bit then say again, nothing else out there.
just saying.
george. ;D :o ::)
Nothing else out there. That is, no scientific evidence of any material life except on earth. Science can only truly know something if it can be measured by one of the five senses. I won't believe in little green men from Mars unless I can see one and shake his slimy little hand. Why do these aliens only show up in some place like Jackass Flats, West Virginia instead of the middle of Times Square in New York City? ;D
I refuse to be lied to by scientists, politicians, business leaders, and especially any type of religious leader. The only thing I accept on faith are truths clearly supported by two or three scriptures. For anything else, I must have absolute physical evidence as proof, or I will absolutely reject it, no matter the source. I do not trust human beings to tell the truth. I have been lied to too much over the years. Lost my virginity years ago.
John that sounds real similar to what all the Atheist say about the existence of God. I have never actually shook God's hand, never literally sen God's face.
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Truths of scripture must be revealed by God. I totally agree.
Q. Do we have just 1 scripture that specifically states there is, or there is not life anywhere in the universe?
You do state that you find much of your physical knowledge is opinion, not fact. And much of human knowledge does fall solely on opinion. That is right. So the idea of other life is purely ones opinion. The scriptures do tell us things about God can be discerned from the physical things that we see. I agree So...
Q. So we look up into the sky and there is "300 sextillion stars" And there is not just 1 earth like planet that has any intelligent life whatsoever? I'm not specifically saying there is, and there is not other intelligent life out there, all I am saying is that all opinions on this is pure speculation. And both side of this issue have very good points to make, and I consider them all. But at this point I see it as all of ones opinion - not fact.
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Hi Phillip,
So we look up into the sky and there is "300 sextillion stars" And there is not just 1 earth like planet that has any intelligent life whatsoever?
Because there are so many stars does not up the odds that there is another earth like planets. That's what the scientist keep indicating, if there is life here there must be somewhere else out there too. I do tend to view some people's opinions more highly than others. So they thinks life we have here is just happen chance, so out of all these planets that must have happened on another planet as well. What we have here on earth is a miraculous and specific creation of life for God's plan to be fulfilled.
So could there be another planet that He is doing the same thing on? I don't know, but why would He? And why wouldn't He have spoken of this in the Scriptures?
Of couse this is just my opinion.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Gen 3:20 And the man called the name of his wife, Eve; because she became the mother of all living.
point: ALL LIVING. i don't think Eve visited any other planets to populate
them.
Thats an important scripture that could potentially solve the question if it's exegeted right and if there is a second witness to it within the rest of the scriptures. The word translated as 'all' here is;
H3605
כּול כּלo
kôl kôl
kole, kole
From H3634; properly the whole; hence all, any or every (in the singular only, but often in a plural sense): - (in) all (manner, [ye]), altogether, any (manner), enough, every (one, place, thing), howsoever, as many as, [no-] thing, ought, whatsoever, (the) whole, whoso (-ever).
Here is how this verse appears in a few other versions....
Gen 3:20 So the man called the name of his wife, Eve,—in that, she, was made mother of every one living. (Rot)
Gen 3:20 And the man calleth his wife's name Eve: for she hath been mother of all living. (Ylt)
Gen 3:20 The man Adam named his wife Eve because she would become the mother of all who live. (cev)
Gen 3:20 And calling is the human his wife's name Eve, for she becomes the mother of all the living. (clv)
There at least seems to be a plurality of agreement amongst the various translations of this verse.
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Hello everyone, Thank you so much for your reply`s on this topic that appears to have gone slightly for the topic. This topic is about UFO`s or what they may be. This topic has nothing to do with aliens or outerspace. WHY? because this is what I have always believed, UFO`s have apparently been here for hundred`s of years, aliens ARE NOT flying anything here from anywhere, WHY? because aliens DO NOT EXIST, to be able to do this. It appears that as soon as a human being hears the word UFO, WHAM!!! It`s automatic, aliens from outerspace. Try this and then give this topic a reply if you can, separate if you can? UFO`s, from aliens and outerspace. Now what do you have left for an answer for what they are? or where they come from? and of course Who? or What? is in control of them. Ufo`s cannot be from our universe if aliens are not in control of them, and aliens do not exist. So what is left appears to be the only answer An illusion. I sure would like someone to even try and prove to me that UFO Hawaii is a fake.
Bless you all. Ricky
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Why would God not create another planet just like ours? Why isn't this spoken of in scriptures? I don't believe all that God is can be contained in any book.
It is still all just speculation. It's redundant to say there is certainly other life, and it is redundant to say there is not.
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Sorry, made a spelling error there, slightly FOR the topic, is suppose to say, slightly OFF th topic.
Ricky
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Hi,
Are you referring to the Pope saying it's OK now for Catholics to believe in life on other planets? Or is there more there that I'm not seeing? You know, we're not much on holding the words of the pope in high esteem around here. Some of the answers on this thread are probably more insightful than anything I've ever read on the subject. One thing I really appreciate is that the forum members are just not afraid to wrestle with a subject. So nano, nano, talk with you later!
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:( How did the Pope in on this now, does he have a green ufo for sale, or what?
Ricky:(
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ufo Hawaiii link, http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2983828/ufo_hawaii/
Ricky
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That looked about as fake as a 3 dollar bill ;D
Kids being kids.
Craig
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lol ;D I am very sure that you could prove that for everyone, ;D
Ricky
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Craig, lol, I could prove 3$ bills are real coz me got a pocket full of loonies and toonies right now. I love Canada everything is so simple. ;D ;D ;D
Bless you much Ricky
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Looks fake to me
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A litttle more illusion backup is needed I see, We can see ufo`s and hear them, and radar cannot pick then up and that makes illusion sense to me.
Ricky
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Hi all, this video is real and cannot be prov-en fake. Go to the website metacafe, click on UFO Hawaii. Watch the video once or twice. You will see how fast this thing is. Now do what I did watch it this way. Play the video, use your mouse and the pause button, if you double click the pause many times, you will see this UFO UP CLOSE right at the window, it is a green and grey UFO. Incredible. Aliens don't exist, and spirits don't need transportation. This means only one thing that these things are homegrown. I have ten frame's of video printed out in color of this thing.
Ricky
But can you prove that it is real? You came here with a weird yet bold claim so the onus is on you to prove that it is real. Surely to support your view you have investigated this further. Please provide some professional sources to backup your claim. The burden of proof does not lie with us to disprove every wacky photograph, film clip, idea, conspiracy theory, and philosophy on the internet or in someones head.
It sure looks like a touched up film clip to me, to others here, as well as other viewer comments posted on several sites hosting this video. Nobody could hold the camera so steady having no physical reaction when something like this pops in front of them. And there are several more common sense, and technical reasons to make one scream 'FAKE'. Other than the fact that it just looks fake!
Computer generated animation is awesome!
Computer techno geeks go fishing and some people take the bait.
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Hey Ricky,
I suspect that footage as being animation, created using fractal geometry.
Illusion.
Joel
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Just a simple 3d render, is what I think. The lighting doesn't really add up. The underside should've been lighter from all the reflected light from the clouds. Metal like that, there should be a bit of the aeroplane reflected back to us.
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lol, too funny.
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Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. ;D 8)
Blessings
Arc
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Hi all, this video is real and cannot be prov-en fake. Go to the website metacafe, click on UFO Hawaii. Watch the video once or twice. You will see how fast this thing is. Now do what I did watch it this way. Play the video, use your mouse and the pause button, if you double click the pause many times, you will see this UFO UP CLOSE right at the window, it is a green and grey UFO. Incredible. Aliens don't exist, and spirits don't need transportation. This means only one thing that these things are homegrown. I have ten frame's of video printed out in color of this thing.
Ricky
But can you prove that it is real? You came here with a weird yet bold claim so the onus is on you to prove that it is real. Surely to support your view you have investigated this further. Please provide some professional sources to backup your claim. The burden of proof does not lie with us to disprove every wacky photograph, film clip, idea, conspiracy theory, and philosophy on the internet or in someones head.
It sure looks like a touched up film clip to me, to others here, as well as other viewer comments posted on several sites hosting this video. Nobody could hold the camera so steady having no physical reaction when something like this pops in front of them. And there are several more common sense, and technical reasons to make one scream 'FAKE'. Other than the fact that it just looks fake!
Computer generated animation is awesome!
Computer techno geeks go fishing and some people take the bait.
Technically, Fester is right, the burden of proof should always fall on the one who makes the claim, even though this is the Off Topic Discussion Board for "Fun & Banter." Samson, always the Skeptic, I joined this Forum because Ray provided more than enough proof for me, hence I'm still here. ;)
Thanks, Samson.
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Gen 3:20 And the man called the name of his wife, Eve; because she became the mother of all living.
point: ALL LIVING. i don't think Eve visited any other planets to populate
them.
Thats an important scripture that could potentially solve the question if it's exegeted right and if there is a second witness to it within the rest of the scriptures. The word translated as 'all' here is;
H3605
כּול כּלo
kôl kôl
kole, kole
From H3634; properly the whole; hence all, any or every (in the singular only, but often in a plural sense): - (in) all (manner, [ye]), altogether, any (manner), enough, every (one, place, thing), howsoever, as many as, [no-] thing, ought, whatsoever, (the) whole, whoso (-ever).
Here is how this verse appears in a few other versions....
Gen 3:20 So the man called the name of his wife, Eve,—in that, she, was made mother of every one living. (Rot)
Gen 3:20 And the man calleth his wife's name Eve: for she hath been mother of all living. (Ylt)
Gen 3:20 The man Adam named his wife Eve because she would become the mother of all who live. (cev)
Gen 3:20 And calling is the human his wife's name Eve, for she becomes the mother of all the living. (clv)
There at least seems to be a plurality of agreement amongst the various translations of this verse.
OK so it is all of the living but what is the living? Is bacteria living? Is plant life living? Are animals living? Are spiritual angels or demons living? Is God living? Are Aliens living?
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Hi Bill ~ :)
A few thoughts......
One may just as well be a bacteria or a plant life if not hearing, obeying, listening, seeking, anticipating, following, discerning, praising and worshiping Christ, Who bears the fruit of love, joy, peace, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, patience and endurance.
All that is, is OF God ~
You ask what is life. God removes His Spirit, and we die.
Physical death is as sleep (unconscious) John 11:11 Matt 9 : 24
Spiritual death is as slumber (strong delusion)
Both physical and spiritual death is overcome by the Spirit of Christ and God The Father.
God neither slumbers ( is not deceived) nor sleeps (is not unconscious).
God is an Alien to one who is spiritually not yet alive. eg. Adolf Hitler professed Jesus Christ as his Savior. The fruit of Hitler was murder, lust, pride and avarice. The fruit of Saul, "the chief of all sinners." was the persecution, victimisation and murder of the children of God.
Saul was as spiritually dead, before he was given Spiritual Life of the crucified and Resurrected Jesus Christ, that made him, to be Paul.
Christ in you, brings life. Unrepentant slavery to sin, brings death.
To become as Christ IS, is not given to any plant, animal, angel or demon.
Is God living you ask. God is the God OF the living. God IS Life. It is the same as God not being A Spirit ~ God IS Spirit. God IS LIFE> 8) :)
Hope there is something that makes sense to you.... :D
Blessings
Arc
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If you would like me to prove and I would like you to prove, in this subject that sounds like a stalemate to me. If you say ufo Hawaii is a fake, you then have to say All ufo video`s and photo`s are fake, and that would mean ufo`s do not exist. And that my friends would be correct. And so what do we have now? no ufo`s and no aliens. So that then would make it all in the mind as an illusion. I do not believe this video and certain others have been altered by man. And how about the virgin Mary appearing on a 20 story glass building for hours for the whole world to see. Or the illusion of Christ appearing in a burning fire. People have been seeing these illusions all over the world for hundreds of years long before video. Aliens and UFO`s have nothing to do with outerspace. And that could mean there is only one answer for these things.
Ricky
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This topic has been a interesting read but then again, it may have been just an illusion in the Heaven of my mind, ;D, thanks Ricky, I think.
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.....there is only one answer for these things.
Ricky
You got that right Ricky! ;D
Here's the answer.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts will they multiply to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they will turn away their ears from the truth, and will be turned to fables.[/color] :D
Blessings
Arc
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If you say ufo Hawaii is a fake, you then have to say All ufo video`s and photo`s are fake, and that would mean ufo`s do not exist. And that my friends would be correct.
My sock is a ufo if I throw it somewhere and someone spots it flying through the air but cannot identify it. :D
But yes, I get what you mean, and I agree.
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Hi, Astrapho, put your sock on ebay with my name on it. and we go 50/50. Hi Arc. I have other words to go with this mess I started :) but I don`t know how to say them yet because there are some people that don`t know whats going on anyways. :( At least not with the way I talk.
Bless u much Ricky
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Hey Ricky
I appreciate that you took my post in a happy Spirit! ;D 8)
Thanks
Deb
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You are most welcome Deb. thank you for the verses that fit nicely with this topic. Kat, I really like what you have said for this topic. Thanks
Bless u much Ricky
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I haven`t put any verses with ufo`s because I am not sure of the correct translation, here are 3 that may fit in with them.
Ricky
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Psalm. 104-3
Isaiah. 31-5
Ezekiel. 1-19
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I think with over a thousand views on this topic we can see that people could believe in ufo`s being a Godly mystery going on in our skys. Moses saw and heard an Angel from God. Was that Angel real, could Moses touch the Angel, or would He have being an illiusion from God. This topic would now be over and forgotten like most. So trust me when I say this, IF you ever see a ufo anywhere, just smile :D and thank God for brother Longhorn.
Bless u all. Ricky
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I think with over a thousand views on this topic we can see that people could believe in ufo`s being a Godly mystery going on in our skys. Moses saw and heard an Angel from God. Was that Angel real, could Moses touch the Angel, or would He have being an illiusion from God. This topic would now be over and forgotten like most. So trust me when I say this, IF you ever see a ufo anywhere, just smile :D and thank God for brother Longhorn.
Bless u all. Ricky
That sounds like a benediction to me. I think the next thing is to move on.