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http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=e10543891fd2e7277d15
This is discusting.
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LET ME REPHRASE, THIS IS GARBAGE. IT UPSETS ME! GARBAGE, TRASH. TRASH TRASH! I'm really upset, really really upset. I'm really sorry, it upsets me so much. How dare they blaspheme God like this.
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The video is totally manipulative and tries to guilt people ppl into getting their friends and family saved. Fear is the strongest tool to control people and I cannot imagine anything scarier than some place of eternal torture. This reminds me of this wonderful scripture.
1Jn 4:18 Fear is not in love, but perfect love is casting out fear, for fear has chastening. Now he who is fearing is not perfected in love.
Now who in their right mind could believe that billions of ppl are going to hell and not be afraid.
Wouldn't it be great if the gospel was preached only out of love and gratitude and not fear!
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The video is totally manipulative and tries to guilt people ppl into getting their friends and family saved. Fear is the strongest tool to control people and I cannot imagine anything scarier than some place of eternal torture. This reminds me of this wonderful scripture.
1Jn 4:18 Fear is not in love, but perfect love is casting out fear, for fear has chastening. Now he who is fearing is not perfected in love.
Now who in their right mind could believe that billions of ppl are going to hell and not be afraid.
Wouldn't it be great if the gospel was preached only out of love and gratitude and not fear!
What upsets me so much is the fact that they actualy had someoen acting out a person being sent to hell. I'm sorry but that is trash, how can they even stand there with themselves and act out such an awful and horrible wicked discusting perverted blasphemous idea? HOW COULD THEY? I was also extremely upset and i found myself passeing back and forth in my room, knowing that people believe this trash, this garbage and are tormented every night. Knowing that there are hypocrits out there who take JOY in this belief. It upsets me, it truly upsets me. I don't know how else to put it. A horrible horrible wicked perverted doctrin of demons. Thats exactly what it is! Yet i am so tormented myself knowing that others believe such garbage and don't have the chance or the ability to hear the true gospel of Christ, to see the power in our Saviour, to truly see how MIGHTY our God is. SO might that NOTHING can keep Him from what He wants and those He loves, and GOD THUS LOVES THE WORLD.
I'm sorry, i'm just venting here... forgive me.
God bless,
Alex
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Hi All
I thank God everyday for the truth that God has given us via Ray.
I get upset when they write nasty letters to a man of God and this is why Ray gets emails like that.
Many are scared of satan but its God who we should fear. Only God can say how far satan is allowed to go and only that.
The churches have been using satan for many years in order to control.
Its has his mark (satan)and belongs to him as it was given.
What I'm trying to say is that satan is a tool (club) in teaching us how to be like God.
It helps me understand many things that I didn't before coming here.
I understand the anger because I feel it also.
Peace and wisdom.
Randy
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Hey Alex,
This video is just spewing forth that "Winning Souls for Jesus" crap that Christian leaders teach. However, they have no Scripture to back it up. In fact, Scripture says the complete opposite, that no man can come to Him, on their own. Why, because the carnal mind is enmity against God, that's why. Do they believe that Scripture? No, they believe that all he had to do, was tell him "how to be a Christian" and he
could have all on his own, come to Christ. ::)
The uncalled, CAN come to Christ in Christian-land, but not in the real world.
John 6:44
Young's Literal Translation:
no one is able to come unto me, if the Father who sent me may not draw him, and I will raise him up in the last day;
And
Romans 8:7
King James Bible:
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Peace,
Sorin
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The video is totally manipulative and tries to guilt people ppl into getting their friends and family saved. Fear is the strongest tool to control people and I cannot imagine anything scarier than some place of eternal torture. This reminds me of this wonderful scripture.
1Jn 4:18 Fear is not in love, but perfect love is casting out fear, for fear has chastening. Now he who is fearing is not perfected in love.
Now who in their right mind could believe that billions of ppl are going to hell and not be afraid.
Wouldn't it be great if the gospel was preached only out of love and gratitude and not fear!
Yes you are right! fear is a strong motivator.
That's because fear comes from the prime directive of the flesh, SELF PRESERVATION.
Fear is of the flesh and therefore anything sown in flesh shall bring forth the fruits of the flesh.
Can anyone say "Corruption in the mainstream Christian Church is rife"?
The mainstream christian church can't bring forth fruit for life.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
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What upsets me so much is the fact that they actualy had someoen acting out a person being sent to hell. I'm sorry but that is trash, how can they even stand there with themselves and act out such an awful and horrible wicked discusting perverted blasphemous idea? HOW COULD THEY? I was also extremely upset and i found myself passeing back and forth in my room, knowing that people believe this trash, this garbage and are tormented every night. Knowing that there are hypocrits out there who take JOY in this belief. It upsets me, it truly upsets me. I don't know how else to put it. A horrible horrible wicked perverted doctrin of demons. Thats exactly what it is! Yet i am so tormented myself knowing that others believe such garbage and don't have the chance or the ability to hear the true gospel of Christ, to see the power in our Saviour, to truly see how MIGHTY our God is. SO might that NOTHING can keep Him from what He wants and those He loves, and GOD THUS LOVES THE WORLD.
I'm sorry, i'm just venting here... forgive me.
God bless,
Alex
I think most of us had a bad reaction Alex (I sent the link to Ray and he said "I marvel that the letter he was writing didn't BURN?").
But that's why we're here.
Just don't forget, even this is God's will and doing. If we fight it with our own will, we fall short.
Dennis
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There's no end to the depravity of the carnal mind. I take this film about as seriously as that crack pot guy who claimed to have been to hell for half an hour or something like that. The pitty is that many will believe this garbage.
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Yes, my first thoought was that the letter surelywould have been burnt up had he been in a true HELL. My 9 y.o. little boy just laughed and couldn't believe how ignorant adults can be.... :o ;)
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There's no end to the depravity of the carnal mind. I take this film about as seriously as that crack pot guy who claimed to have been to hell for half an hour or something like that. The pitty is that many will believe this garbage.
Yeah or that book by that lady who's the pastor of a church who had a "Devine revelation of Hell"
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What upsets me so much is the fact that they actualy had someoen acting out a person being sent to hell. I'm sorry but that is trash, how can they even stand there with themselves and act out such an awful and horrible wicked discusting perverted blasphemous idea? HOW COULD THEY? I was also extremely upset and i found myself passeing back and forth in my room, knowing that people believe this trash, this garbage and are tormented every night. Knowing that there are hypocrits out there who take JOY in this belief. It upsets me, it truly upsets me. I don't know how else to put it. A horrible horrible wicked perverted doctrin of demons. Thats exactly what it is! Yet i am so tormented myself knowing that others believe such garbage and don't have the chance or the ability to hear the true gospel of Christ, to see the power in our Saviour, to truly see how MIGHTY our God is. SO might that NOTHING can keep Him from what He wants and those He loves, and GOD THUS LOVES THE WORLD.
I'm sorry, i'm just venting here... forgive me.
God bless,
Alex
I think most of us had a bad reaction Alex (I sent the link to Ray and he said "I marvel that the letter he was writing didn't BURN?").
But that's why we're here.
Just don't forget, even this is God's will and doing. If we fight it with our own will, we fall short.
Dennis
Dear Sorin, i agree 100% but who has believed our report oh Lord? :/
And thank you dennis for those words of wisdom, you are right, if i try and fight this i will fall short. It is all in the Lords Hand. I'm really sorry but i just can't stand to know others suffer out there due to this horrible doctrine. The idea that anyone would actualy teach and preach this and that it is recieved by many and that many more will hear it.. it hurts me deeply and torments me. :(
I marvel too, that the letter did not burn. Oh how LONG oh Lord?! How long...
Wow hebrew, what insight in the eyes of your son, truly we must be as children!
Thank you all again for your thoughts and comments.
God bless and much love to my brothers and sisters. This is a great reminder why we must stand firm in our Lord who shall uphold us in the darkest times and why we must study to show ourselves approved, all by His mercy and grace offcourse. If the Lord will it =]
In Christ,
Alex
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http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=e10543891fd2e7277d15
This is discusting.
EDIT:
LET ME REPHRASE, THIS IS GARBAGE. IT UPSETS ME! GARBAGE, TRASH. TRASH TRASH! I'm really upset, really really upset. I'm really sorry, it upsets me so much. How dare they blaspheme God like this.
I fully agree, if I had an incinerator, everyone knows how fast I would deposit it their, adding lots' of gasoline too,all I need now is matches. They would do well to deposit that garbage in the literal Valley of Hinnom, with the rest of the garbage, sorry Brothers and Sisters, I couldn't finish viewing that Youtube, it almost looks as if the guy who made that Video was trying to make GHOST PART TWO. Years ago I remember speaking with a fellow Christian and stating, " If God was really planning to Eternally Torture Wicked and Unbelieving People, it would be are obligation and Love for them to go to their homes and pound on their doors and warn them without letup, so they wouldn't end up their", but we both knew it wasn't true. Its' nice to knew that someday, they will know the truth about all of this and be set free, Praise Our God.
With Sadness, Samson
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I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
Sad but true.
Matt
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Good counsel and wisdom here!
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Maybe all of you have seen this site already.
But just in case you have not, this site is so inspirational (I am being facetious) , loving and kind that I am soooo touched by the love!!!
http://www.av1611.org/hell.html
Just imagine if you can the amount of torment and heartache that this kind of garbage can cause people!!!
Some people have had to seek mental help for ideologies and writings that this guy and others like him spew!!!
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=648912510964850987
Did you ever see this video??
I guess the flames of Hell was not bad enough, that they had to throw in some giant snakes and spiders
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=648912510964850987
Did you ever see this video??
I guess the flames of Hell was not bad enough, that they had to throw in some giant snakes and spiders
It's all garbage, it upsets me so much. This is one of the reasons i pray God give me the strenght knowledge, wisdom, understanding to defend His Word. So that some people might have a chance of hearing the truth and escape this demonic hate filled blasphemy against God's Character.
Thanks for shareing though, i'm watching it as we speak, and i can already see it's garbage. How discusting they play all those people screaming in agony and pain and pictures of demons torturing people. Ugh... *deep breaths alex* ~sigh....
One day.. they will know the truth.. Praise our God He is fully in controle.
I trust in Him!
God bless,
Alex
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Isn't it strange that the christians can have their fill when it comes to certain evils? For example in my city, a christian church was on the local news b/c other christians were upset at the tactics that were being used to warn (scare) ppl about hell...This church had put on a play and when the observers would come in, the would sit down in a dark room and then a light ould cme on and they would observe all kinds of sins that were being reenacted behind a white sheet (in order to get the shadow and outline effect), they were reenacting/showing a woman having an abortion, men committing adultry, and every other 'pet' sin' that christiandom segregates. Then they showed the hell scene with the victims yelling and crying out in torment. It was banned thankfully!
Then the Baptists have a city tour of HEAVENS' GATES AND HELL'S FLAMES'...a very similar play to the above.
I totally understand how you feel Italianboy! For years I was so paralyzed with the idea that MY loved ones could possibly end up in hell and even though I had done all in my power to teach and preach and push and minister toward them, I still was so shaken to my core about it that I literally had to quit reading the Word, going to church, talking about heaven and hell, and I even had to quit praying for a while b/c I could not face a GOD who would do this to my loved ones (as well as let me suffer the torment of not being able to help save them and not give me a let up with the whole issue of HEll.) Finally, I came to my senses after begging God to show me the truth of the matters of hell; what a burden...the hugest burden that I personally have ever carried in this heart and mind and spirit of mine!!! So, hang in there brother, God is using this fear tactic of hell on the majority of ppl in order to get them to turn to HIM, but HE KNOWS THAT THEY WONT, AND THAT IS ALL IN HIS PLANS...IT WILL ALL BE OK...even those whom went to the mental institutions can handle being in there, and this is HIS will as well. (I've known of one who went to a mental institute b/c of the BAPTISM issue...), HE will not give any of us more than we can handle...try and rest now brother :)
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Maybe all of you have seen this site already.
But just in case you have not, this site is so inspirational (I am being facetious) , loving and kind that I am soooo touched by the love!!!
http://www.av1611.org/hell.html
Just imagine if you can the amount of torment and heartache that this kind of garbage can cause people!!!
Some people have had to seek mental help for ideologies and writings that this guy and others like him spew!!!
Ha ha ha ha LOL!
That guy is a complete nutter probably driven insane by His own fear of Hell.
Actually, I have more respect for this guy who truly believes it and trying to do something to warn people and stop them ending up there than I do for those who believe it with all their heart but don't go around warning others.
In His own sick, twisted little way He is doing what He thinks is right which is all that should be expected of anyone.
So to that end it is Kind of noble.
Like I said, this guy is obviously tortured soul driven mad by His own fear of Hell, so I actually pity Him. I wish I could do something open His eyes and set him free from the darkness that He obviously living in.
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Maybe all of you have seen this site already.
But just in case you have not, this site is so inspirational (I am being facetious) , loving and kind that I am soooo touched by the love!!!
http://www.av1611.org/hell.html
Just imagine if you can the amount of torment and heartache that this kind of garbage can cause people!!!
Some people have had to seek mental help for ideologies and writings that this guy and others like him spew!!!
Ha ha ha ha LOL!
That guy is a complete nutter probably driven insane by His own fear of Hell.
Actually, I have more respect for this guy who truly believes it and trying to do something to warn people and stop them ending up there than I do for those who believe it with all their heart but don't go around warning others.
In His own sick, twisted little way He is doing what He thinks is right which is all that should be expected of anyone.
So to that end it is Kind of noble.
Like I said, this guy is obviously tortured soul driven mad by His own fear of Hell, so I actually pity Him. I wish I could do something open His eyes and set him free from the darkness that He obviously living in.
Good point. I was wondering actually, in the letter from hell film, they author implies that first of all the poor teenager Josh that went to hell didn't know about Christ, (thus denying Is 45:23, Rom14:11 and Phil 2:10). This would suggest that his sin then was just pure ignorance? Question, what if one is born blind and deaf (litterally speaking)? I guess according to this guy they better get themselves a Bible in braille seeing as God dishes out the worst punishment imaginable for ignorance (thus denying Luke 12:48). Secondly the author implies that it was actually Zakks fault that the Josh ended up there, for not sharing the Gospel with him. Surely then, according to that twisted logic Zakks sin was much greater than Josh, so will Zakk end up there too? Lastly, if Zakk received a letter, then someone must have delivered it, and there could possibly have been a post code or zip code on the letter. Their logic suggests that Hell is a literal place, a location somewhere. Now we know that according to scripture God created the Heavens and the earth. I don't think even this fool would suggest that Hell is in Heaven, therefore it must be a literal geographic location here on earth. Why not just get the marines to go and bust poor Josh out of there ;)
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Hey lilitalienboi16. I tend to think you and I are cut from the same cloth. I also, am Italian, and a very emotional one (Can you imagine that with a name like Dante, and on top of that my middle name is Salvatore,.....LOL!).
On the one hand I want to grab these people and shake them and say, "What the heck is wrong with you, you idiots!!!!"
And on the other I want to grab them and spiritually hug them and say, "Stop being deceived you poor, poor ignorant fools"!!!
But you know what bud? We have to remember, and this is something that I have to KEEP reminding myself of EVERY DAY, that this also, is God's plan. They are being "Given over" for a reason. It is all within God's purpose.
Some days I get up and I feel like my head is on FIRE when I see things like this. And then I have to sit back and take a deep breath (As you said) and just understand that that is the way it is and that is the way God wants it right now.
The way I TRY TO LOOK AT IT NOW. Is that it is a GOOD opportunity to pick apart the theology!!!!
As in the way you and others have done SO WELL, here on these pages! David makes some excellent points, Dennis Vogel made some excellent points. Think of the folly and TRY NOT TO GET UPSET. Just pick apart their argument in your mind and put it down on these and other pages if you feel the need.
Use their outlandish, horrible, putrid theology and just shoot holes in it.
I like to e-mail these people from time to time with the Word of God (In a nice and respectful way of course) and tell them how ridiculous there ideas are.
Sometimes this makes me feel better.
I hear you brother,... and I feel your pain. And I see that you are taking control. I just wanted to give you a bit of encouragement. It is what I need A LOT OF ALSO!!
Dante
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Well,the only place I think hell exists is in the horror of their own minds..........
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Has anybody noticed the contrasts between this ridiculous video and the Lazarus parable? I mention this because christiandom always uses that parable to prove that the unrighteous will be conciously tortured in fire for all eternity. First of all, this kid received a letter from hell. Abraham said "between us and you a great chasm has been established, so that those wanting to cross hence to you may not be able, nor yet thense may be ferrying to us". So how did he receive a letter. And what followed this statement by Abraham? The rich man is asking that someone warn his five brothers of this awful place. "No, father Abraham, but if someone should be going to them from the dead, they will be repenting. But in this idiot video the kid's last wishes in his letter is "Wish you were here". Now I hate to nitpick. It's obvious that this guy knows is churchian theology, but he needs to study the details. First off, the churchian usually has Lazarus representing the mind set of all those in hell. Here, the kid wanted his friend to join him. I'll add that there's no mention of worms, nashing of teeth, or of the different chambers that most churchians speak of. There might be something real with that holding cell, however. I'm thinking that judgement might involve for these hell teachers, a concious awareness and belief that they are headed for such an awful place. Somehow they are going to reap what they sow. The relief they will receive once they learn the truth will be profound.
By the way, that was the most disgusting display of god hate that I've ever heard. Hollywood should make a movie out of it.
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Wow, the first few minutes of that nauseated me, I might try to look at it some other time.
But maybe there is no point in doing so now.
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Hey lilitalienboi16. I tend to think you and I are cut from the same cloth. I also, am Italian, and a very emotional one (Can you imagine that with a name like Dante, and on top of that my middle name is Salvatore,.....LOL!).
On the one hand I want to grab these people and shake them and say, "What the heck is wrong with you, you idiots!!!!"
And on the other I want to grab them and spiritually hug them and say, "Stop being deceived you poor, poor ignorant fools"!!!
But you know what bud? We have to remember, and this is something that I have to KEEP reminding myself of EVERY DAY, that this also, is God's plan. They are being "Given over" for a reason. It is all within God's purpose.
Some days I get up and I feel like my head is on FIRE when I see things like this. And then I have to sit back and take a deep breath (As you said) and just understand that that is the way it is and that is the way God wants it right now.
The way I TRY TO LOOK AT IT NOW. Is that it is a GOOD opportunity to pick apart the theology!!!!
As in the way you and others have done SO WELL, here on these pages! David makes some excellent points, Dennis Vogel made some excellent points. Think of the folly and TRY NOT TO GET UPSET. Just pick apart their argument in your mind and put it down on these and other pages if you feel the need.
Use their outlandish, horrible, putrid theology and just shoot holes in it.
I like to e-mail these people from time to time with the Word of God (In a nice and respectful way of course) and tell them how ridiculous there ideas are.
Sometimes this makes me feel better.
I hear you brother,... and I feel your pain. And I see that you are taking control. I just wanted to give you a bit of encouragement. It is what I need A LOT OF ALSO!!
Dante
Thank you dante for your words. I try and remind myself everyday of exactly what you have said. God is controle, it is all in His hands and they are given over for it is his plan so that ultimately hey may bring about His WILL. What a marvelous day it will be and truly all those who have spoken this and blasphemed God's name among the nations will UTTERLY MOURNE AND REPENT for there heresy.
I thank God He never let me stumble into that kind of darkness, thank you Father! I know it is all Him, so i will with prayer and through Christ's strength attempt my best to have patience with these teachings of theirs and with those whom preach these things.
Lord have mercy on me!
God bless,
Alex
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I will be praying for both of us lilitalienboi16. Peace be to you brother.
Some good points musicman.
On that same vein of thought, I have to remark on the video link that I sent with the guy who claims that he spent 23 minutes in Hell.
This guy "Bill Wiese" claims that the LORD GOD HIMSELF told him that he sent him to HELL so that he could see how horrible the place was. SO THAT, he could come back and tell anyone who would hear his TALE, SO THAT PEOPLE WOULDN'T GO THERE!!!!!
As musicman said: In the story of Lazarus and the rich man. The rich man asks for Lazarus to be sent to his brothers, so that his brothers would not go to this supposed hell. And what is the rich man told???? He is told that, if his brothers did not believe Moses and the prophets, then they would not believe anyone.
So according to Bill Wiese's beliefs (Not to mention, mainstream Christianity), Bill Wiese DEBUNKS his own TALE, by stating that he was sent back to tell others of how HORRIBLE hell is.
Since if he believes that the Lazarus and the rich man story to be about a LITERAL HELL, then God definitely would not have sent Bill back from this pagan hell to tell others, since it would DO NO GOOD!! Otherwise,.....why didn't God allow Lazarus to go back to the rich man's brothers??
Now at the very least there are hundreds people and church sites that are recognizing Bill's story as being genuine. So those hundreds of people and churches are helping Bill debunk his own theory.
It also amazes me that THESE DEMONS that Bill speaks of, get a jolt out of torturing humans. Why would God allow EVIL DEMONS to find pleasure in Hell???
Makes no sense does it? Well,......no use beating a REALLY dead horse.
If God ALWAYS does what he desires and pleases. (Which he does!!)
And God desires and Pleases to save all mankind (Which he does!!)
Then God's desire and pleasure to save ALL OF MANKIND WILL BE CARRIED OUT (Through Jesus Christ OUR LORD)!!!
Thank you God!!!!
Your the BEST!!!
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OK, Iv'e put this off long enough folks.
A few months ago I received a recording that will send chills down any atheists spine.
I know you won't believe it but my story must be told.
I was greeted by Satan himself, posing as a US postal worker.
He told me that I was in danger of the most horific and eternal experience imaginable.
He gave me a package with a CD inside.
Along with it was a letter.
The letter said that the damned will be condemned to a hell of fire and forced to listen to the lyrics on the CD. Eventually we would not be able to resist singing and dancing on waves of fire to the tune.
With great fear I played the CD.
After hearing it once I destroyed it, never to play for anybody.
However, I have been cursed with this tune in my mind ever since.
I will now reveal Hell's Song lyrics.
I warn you however, you may never sleep again having read them.
And oh please, say you haven't heard this tune already. Here goes.
Ole ole - ole ole / Ole ole - ole ole
EE-Yessa Ha-ha
Ee-yes girls
Me mind on fire -- Me soul on fire -- Feeling hot hot hot
Party people -- All around me feeling hot hot hot
What to do - On a night like this
Music sweet - I can't resist
We need a party song - A fundamental jam
So we go rum-bum-bum-bum
Yeah we rum-bum-bum-bum
Feeling hot hot hot -- Feeling hot hot hot - oh Lord
(me la la la lum bum bum)
See people rocking -- Hear people chanting -- Feeling hot hot hot
Keep up this spirit -- Come on let's do it -- Feeling hot hot hot
It's in the air - Celebration time
Music sweet - captivate your mind
We have this party song - This fundamental jam
So we go rum-bum-bum-bum
Yeah we rum-bum-bum-bum
Feeling hot hot hot -- Feeling hot hot hot - Oh Lord
Ha-ha
Ole ole - ole ole / Ole ole - ole ole
Ole ole - ole ole / Ole ole - ole ole
EE-yes girls
People in the party - hot hot hot
People in the party - hot hot hot
They come to the party know what they got
They come to the party know what they got
I'm hot -- You're hot -- He's hot -- She's hot
I'm hot -- You're hot -- He's hot -- She's hot
(Real hot) -- (Real hot) -- (Real hot) -- (Real hot)H
a-ha-ha - Oh Lord
How you feeling? (Hot hot hot)
How you feeling? (Hot hot hot)
How you feeling? (Hot hot hot)
How you feeling? (Hot hot hot)
(Hot hot hot)(Hot hot hot)
(Hot hot hot)(Hot hot hot)
Oh please say I don't have to listen to this for all eternity.
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I will be praying for both of us lilitalienboi16. Peace be to you brother.
Some good points musicman.
On that same vein of thought, I have to remark on the video link that I sent with the guy who claims that he spent 23 minutes in Hell.
This guy "Bill Wiese" claims that the LORD GOD HIMSELF told him that he sent him to HELL so that he could see how horrible the place was. SO THAT, he could come back and tell anyone who would hear his TALE, SO THAT PEOPLE WOULDN'T GO THERE!!!!!
As musicman said: In the story of Lazarus and the rich man. The rich man asks for Lazarus to be sent to his brothers, so that his brothers would not go to this supposed hell. And what is the rich man told???? He is told that, if his brothers did not believe Moses and the prophets, then they would not believe anyone.
So according to Bill Wiese's beliefs (Not to mention, mainstream Christianity), Bill Wiese DEBUNKS his own TALE, by stating that he was sent back to tell others of how HORRIBLE hell is.
Since if he believes that the Lazarus and the rich man story to be about a LITERAL HELL, then God definitely would not have sent Bill back from this pagan hell to tell others, since it would DO NO GOOD!! Otherwise,.....why didn't God allow Lazarus to go back to the rich man's brothers??
Now at the very least there are hundreds people and church sites that are recognizing Bill's story as being genuine. So those hundreds of people and churches are helping Bill debunk his own theory.
It also amazes me that THESE DEMONS that Bill speaks of, get a jolt out of torturing humans. Why would God allow EVIL DEMONS to find pleasure in Hell???
Makes no sense does it? Well,......no use beating a REALLY dead horse.
If God ALWAYS does what he desires and pleases. (Which he does!!)
And God desires and Pleases to save all mankind (Which he does!!)
Then God's desire and pleasure to save ALL OF MANKIND WILL BE CARRIED OUT (Through Jesus Christ OUR LORD)!!!
Thank you God!!!!
Your the BEST!!!
Dante,
You ought to email that to those who claim to have been to hell so that they can come back and warn everybody about it. :P
And to those who believe those who tell such blasphemous lies.
That 23 minutes in hell guy just got "owned"... lol!
Take care,
Sorin
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Musicman,
Listening to that for all eternity is torture worse than hell itself! Because unlike hell, that music actually exists! EEK!
And you're one funny guy! :D
-Sorin
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Hello Good people of God.
I would like to comment on this post.
A brother PMed me and asked to know more about me; so this one is for you brother.
I agree that false teachings have people scared beyond control.
My friend was caught between the god of false teachings and her kids.
As she struggled to hold to teachings that were made of man but offered as Gods teaching, the pain of her children was more than evident as they were suffering from the other kids unkind and hateful words and or actions.
They tried so hard to hold to what they knew their mother loved and held as the true word of God.
Some people want to find and support the hell teaching, then this is what you are supporting, the sacrifice of our children to the false gods of this world.
Shame on YOU! YOU VIPERS! YOU BEAST!
YES LORD, I WAS THE BEAST! The in-forcer of lies of what I thought was the truth. This is why forgiveness is FIRST.
The Grace of God has opened my eyes.
So by fire I AM cleaned daily and pray that God may use me to rebuild these victims of Gog.
Yes satan feeds on all of use one time or another however,
God is ALL POWERFUL and in CONTROL of ALL THINGS,
Do not be faint for your GOD IS THE LIVING GOD!
GOD HAVE MERCY ON US ALL!
IN CHRIST
Q
Amen brother, preach the good news, PREACH IT! HEAVEN TO MY EARS!! =]]]
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lilitalienboi16
I noticed that you now have 666 posts :o :o :o
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lilitalienboi16
I noticed that you now have 666 posts :o :o :o
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Thats' pretty good, Matthew, I wonder what number those guys that made those awful videos that were discussing at this post have, I didn't see the second video yet, if I really want my senses shocked and numbed, I guess I will check it out.
Samson.
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lilitalienboi16
I noticed that you now have 666 posts :o :o :o
;D
Oh oh! He must be "Da Debble!" ;D
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lilitalienboi16
I noticed that you now have 666 posts :o :o :o
;D
Oh oh! He must be "Da Debble!" ;D
Don't make me laugh Sorin, I did, because my wife who works at a N.J. Mental Health facility that has a patient that actually talks to my wife about helping her with Da Debble to get rid of him, this patient was raised a JW and after that early life experience is a few too many cards short of a full deck.
Keep em Laughing, Samson.
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AH YES. Great observations. THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST. DESTROY THIS BEAST! YES I HAVE 666! NOW ALL MAY SEE WHAT I TRULY AM. I AM A BEAST!
Well.. now it's 667... am i no longer a beast? haha, no no, i'm still a beast! RAWR!
Come Lord Jesus Come! :)))))
God bless,
Alex
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Samson,
Where in NJ? I grew up in a town called Hillside, near Newark.
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Has anyone here ever read the bogus so called apocolyptic revelations of Peter and Paul? They are both utterly depraved works, filled with the most vile imagry of hell. According to the book I have that contains them, they surfaced around about 4ad in the Roman Church, but were lost to time because Scripture had already been canonized.
If you can get a book with them in, and you can get through the utter depravity of whats written in them, its a great insight into just where all this garbage came from in the Roman Church. Whoever was responsible for penning these books would leave todays horror fiction writers in the dust. Sick stuff.
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Samson,
Where in NJ? I grew up in a town called Hillside, near Newark.
Hey Matthew,
Actually my wife works at Hagedorn Pyschiatric Hospital in Glen Gardner, N.J., its near Clinton, N.J., approximately 3 miles from there. We live in Easton, Pa. I spent the growing up years of my life first in South Plainfield and then close to the Milford, N.J. area, but most of my Adult life in the Easton, Pa area.
Peace to you & yours, Samson.
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Check out this church of Haters. ::)
It shows you what the mindset of Hell and other anti-God like propaganda will do to a people.
BE ADVISED,.....SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IS NOT FOR CHILDREN!!
But,..this kind of thing should be seen. It drives home a point that, we as Christians, must ALWAYS Speak out of LOVE AND NOT HATE!!
And always try to rightly divide the word of truth!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gX-vQ5sMOw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UMP3AK5jwo&feature=related
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Dante, what you say is true, except for if you are worshiping the OT God. Then there is no love your enemies but rather seek and destroy them and take their land. And I think that's what they're doing--they have no love for homosexuals because look at what happened to Sodom, and so forth.
Not saying I agree with them disrupting funerals of dead soldiers--but I think that's what's happening. That's Where they get their hatred from--the OT.
Peace,
Sorin
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Dante, what you say is true, except for if you are worshiping the OT God. Then there is no love your enemies but rather seek and destroy them and take their land. And I think that's what they're doing--they have no love for homosexuals because look at what happened to Sodom, and so forth.
Not saying I agree with them disrupting funerals of dead soldiers--but I think that's what's happening. That's Where they get their hatred from--the OT.
Peace,
Sorin
The God of the OT (also Christ) has no comparison with what these evil heretics preach and worship. The destruction which was commanded by God in the OT was to be a type and shadow of the death of the carnal mind in later times (not sure what taking their plunder represents). God never said to hate anybody. What the OT shows is that God is in complete control. They were created to be His enemies. The death and slaughter in the OT is of no real consequence when we consider that God creates, God destroys, and finally, God saves. The destruction in the OT was to be examples for God's chosen. It can not be understood by these hell mongering lunitcs nor by the less vocal hell believers of today. I'm sure you didn't mean that the OT justifies this groups ridiculous hate.
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Dante, what you say is true, except for if you are worshiping the OT God. Then there is no love your enemies but rather seek and destroy them and take their land. And I think that's what they're doing--they have no love for homosexuals because look at what happened to Sodom, and so forth.
Not saying I agree with them disrupting funerals of dead soldiers--but I think that's what's happening. That's Where they get their hatred from--the OT.
Peace,
Sorin
Hi Sorin.
I think these people get their hatred straight from the devil. The devil knew scripture too. Luke 4.
Be blessed
David.
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Sorin.
God does not change.
He is the same yesterday, today and will be the same for all time.
He is the same God in the OT as he is in the NT.
These people believe in hell. And are telling people that their loved ones are going there, for serving their country. There is a GROSS mismanagement of God's word on their part.
And they are hateful to the core.
I am fully aware that they are part of God's plan and that God wants them to be talking this way, yet I do not in anyway condone what they say.
They condemn homosexuality, yet they do not understand that if you break ONE part of the law, you have broken the WHOLE of the law (We are ALL guilty, and we should not go around pointing fingers at other's sins). You who are without sin cast the first stone, is what I would tell this woman.
They are just out of their minds!!
And their ideas come right from their father the devil.
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To all,
I apologize for that post--it was stupid of me to think like that. And to say that they "get their hatred from the OT" and so forth.
Most of all I need forgiveness from God, for this and other things as well...
Peace,
Sorin
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To all,
I apologize for that post--it was stupid of me to think like that. And to say that they "get their hatred from the OT" and so forth.
Most of all I need forgiveness from God, for this and other things as well...
Peace,
Sorin
It's okay Sorin, it's always refreshing when a Man apologizes and displays humility, WHOEVER HUMBLES THEMSELVES WILL BE EXALTED, we don't see much humility in our world, instead we see PRIDE AND JUSTIFICATION and add to that ARROGANCE. I rarely witness the young people of our time displaying humility, as an example--- My wife went to the movies with her brother yesterday, it was his Birthday, I was at work at the time. She told me about a large group of teenagers making an excessive amount of noise, she finally told them to SHUT THEIR MOUTHS, one of them replied by saying that he didn't have to, when hearing about this, my blood began to boil(momentarily), I thought to myself, WHAT ARROGANCE. Anyway, I thought to mention this to emphasize my admiration for your humility.
Your Brother in Christ, Samson.
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Hey Samson,
Yeah kids today are really arrogant and rude. I blame society, and these stupid 'child abuse' laws for it too. We need to bring back dad's
beating their kids with the belt--and make it legal. ;D
Then and only then will be start seeing changes 'round here. A little chastisement never killed anyone. ;)
Also your wife or her brother could have notified the theater folk about the noise, and those trouble makers would have been kicked out
with no refund. And thanks for the kind words.
Take care,
Sorin
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For Sorin,
Actually, they did tell the theater authorities, they told them to shut up or be quiet, as soon as the theater people left, they started right up again. Don't Worry, I'm calling the theater Tomorrow and will go up the ladder, if I don't receive satisfaction. I can tell you for a fact, if I spoke to my Father the way these Kids flap their poisonous tongue's, I probably wouldn't have liked the consequences, that just didn't happen in the I grew up in.
Peace to you Brother, Samson.
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To all,
I apologize for that post--it was stupid of me to think like that. And to say that they "get their hatred from the OT" and so forth.
Most of all I need forgiveness from God, for this and other things as well...
Peace,
Sorin
Sorin, there is no need to apologize.
If you DID believe that, that is your right.
I believe you to be right, to correct yourself!
But I don't think that you ever need to apologize to any of us for ever thinking anything!!!!!
God be with you my brother.
Proud to call you that, by the way!!
Dante :D