Luke 19:12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
Luke 19:13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
Luke 19:14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
Luke 19:15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
Luke 19:16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
Luke 19:17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
Luke 19:18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
Luke 19:19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
Luke 19:20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
Luke 19:21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
Luke 19:22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
Luke 19:23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?
Luke 19:24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
Luke 19:25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
Luke 19:26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Hey, I was wondering what the meaning behind the parable in Luke 19:12-27 is. I'll put it down here:QuoteLuke 19:12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
Luke 19:13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
Luke 19:14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
Luke 19:15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
Luke 19:16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
Luke 19:17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
Luke 19:18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
Luke 19:19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
Luke 19:20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
Luke 19:21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
Luke 19:22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
Luke 19:23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?
Luke 19:24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
Luke 19:25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
Luke 19:26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
The nobleman is Jesus, but what about the rest? What is this parable saying? Thanks.
EDIT: Is Jesus even the nobleman? I'm not sure...
Hey, I was wondering what the meaning behind the parable in Luke 19:12-27 is.
Many are called and few chosen.
In this parable I see the opposite. I see 2 chosen and 1 'called' or rejected. Exponentially this would work out to many chosen and few called. Any writings of Ray's on this particular aspect?
Am I missing something here?
All 10 of the servants are the "chosen", the citizens are the many called, I think. What about Luke 19:27? What does the "slaying" symbolize? (I'm guessing God's judgments, right?)
I wonder why we only have revealed what happened to 3 of the servants? How did the other 7 do? We know 1 out of 3 did bad, 2 did good.
All 10 of the servants are the "chosen", the citizens are the many called, I think. What about Luke 19:27?
Hi Lupac, I had a question about that part too. Seems like the Spirit is keeping us on the same page here.
What does the "slaying" symbolize? (I'm guessing God's judgments, right?)
Many are called and few chosen.
In this parable I see the opposite. I see 2 chosen and 1 'called' or rejected. Exponentially this would work out to many chosen and few called. Any writings of Ray's on this particular aspect?
Am I missing something here?
No, Ray does not teach that it is many chosen and few called. The scriptures state:
Matt 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
Matt 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Just because the ratio in this parable was 2 chosen vs. 1 called, does not mean that is the absolute ratio for all mankind. The Lord is not teaching ratios, He is teaching what it is to DO the Will of God.
All 10 of the servants are the "chosen", the citizens are the many called, I think. What about Luke 19:27? What does the "slaying" symbolize? (I'm guessing God's judgments, right?)
No, all 10 servants are not chosen seeing how one was wicked and disobedient.
Kat, do you see God as austere? Do you see this parable as defining God as austere?
Hi Claypot,
Luke 19:21 For I feared You, because You are an austere man. You collect what You did not deposit, and reap what You did not sow.'
We have just seen in the previous verses where Christ has rewarded His servants/Elect at His return. Now here in verse 21 we see another person that Christ is addressing at His return. This is someone who was among the Elect, but does not seem happy about Christ's return and was not prepared.
Luke 12:47 And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to His will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
This is also what we see in the parable of the wheat and the tares. The tares are those among the wheat/Elect, but are not wheat/Elect and those will go into the lake of fire to judgement.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather up first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my barn.
I don’t understand what you mean here Kat.
The number of persons in these parables are relative to what is being specifically spoken of.
Do you see vs 27 as saying that all that is not of God will be harshly eliminated?
P.S. Lupac I think you are right about what verse 27 is speaking of.
This is also what we see in the parable of the wheat and the tares. The tares are those among the wheat/Elect, but are not wheat/Elect and those will go into the lake of fire to judgement.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather up first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my barn.
Kat, are you saying here that the tares are the called? According to you does Ray teach that there are only the chosen and called? Just the 2 classes of people?
do you see God as austere? Do you see this parable as defining God as austere?
"The number of persons in these parables are relative to what is being specifically spoken of."
I don’t understand what you mean here Kat.
Do you see vs 27 as saying that all that is not of God will be harshly eliminated?
Generally the Scriptures speak primarily of the Called/many/church and the Chosen/few/Elect. Of course this is not all the people in the world, there are those in the many other religions and the atheists, agnostics and nonreligious.
Luke 19:21 For I feared you, because you are an austere man.
That statement is made by one that was not a true Elect, therefore his judgement of Christ is not correct.
Not eliminated, but in the Lake of fire their carnality will be slain in all of humanity, this is not a physical death.
In this age only the Elect/Chosen/few are dying to the carnal self, this is being "crucified with Christ."
Rom 6:6 We know that our old self was crucified with him so that the sinful body might be destroyed, and we might no longer be enslaved to sin.
Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me;
The whole human race must go through this process of killing/destroying the carnality/beast/flesh as the Elect are going through now. The 'fire' in the Lake of fire will be harsh, but only as each deserves as in few stripes, many stripes in Luke 12, but all will be ultimately saved.
What does the Bible call these latter ones you mention according to you?
Again, do YOU see God as austere?
Isn’t this exactly what I asked? I asked if all that is not of God would be eliminated. You said their carnality would be slain.
Is there a difference I’m not seeing here?
Do you consider yourself one of the elect? If so, why? Are your reasons different from any of those who think they may be of the elect but may not be?
Are you saying within each person there is a beast, a man of sin, the old man?
Kat, are you saying here that the tares are the called? According to you does Ray teach that there are only the chosen and called? Just the 2 classes of people?
In this parable I see the opposite. I see 2 chosen and 1 'called' or rejected. Exponentially this would work out to many chosen and few called. Any writings of Ray's on this particular aspect?
Amen. Are you saying within each person there is a beast, a man of sin, the old man?
Hi cp
Consider applying the basic principles to understanding God’s Word in order to discern whether or not your assessments are Scriptural or not.
Spiritual principle number 9 of the 12 God given Truths to Understand God’s Word quote:
Why is no Scripture its OWN interpretation, we might ask? To protect the integrity of the Scriptures, for one thing. ALL twelve of these spiritual principles are to be used together in explaining the Scriptures. If every Scripture or even any Scripture can be its "own interpretation," then we wouldn’t need the other eleven principles.
Opinions can become beliefs and beliefs can become convictions.
I am convinced that as Ray edifies, councils and expounds, the entire Gospel is pointing to one thing and that is ‘many called, FEW chosen’
Arc
Opinions can become beliefs and beliefs can become convictions.
I am convinced that as Ray edifies, councils and expounds, the entire Gospel is pointing to one thing and that is ‘many called, FEW chosen’
Arc
That is your opinion, not that many are called but few chosen for that is Scripture, but your declaration of what the ONE THING the entire Gospel is pointing to.
Not a bad belief but I believe what the entire Gospel is pointing to is Love.
I find that Love is the golden thread running throughout all of Scripture. I see it in Ray's writings to be sure.
cp