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I talked to Dennis Vogel about this and he said is was okay to proceed.
My family and I are currently going through much suffering and we value your prayers please.
We are in a desperate financial situation. Our eldest son has caused us much suffering, as well as to himself; which has culminated in debt we can no longer manage.
We are not able to pay all our monthly bills or buy essential food and other household needs. We are in danger of losing our home if we default on our mortgage.
If The Lord has burdened you to assist us, I will be grateful if you would PM me.
Thank you All.
George.
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All -
I talked to Dennis Vogel about this and he said is was okay to proceed.
My family and I are currently going through much suffering and we value your prayers please.
We are in a desperate financial situation. Our eldest son has caused us much suffering, as well as to himself; which has culminated in debt we can no longer manage.
We are not able to pay all our monthly bills or buy essential food and other household needs. We are in danger of losing our home if we default on our mortgage.
If The Lord has burdened you to assist us, I will be grateful if you would PM me.
Thank you All.
George.
Hi George,
I'm sorry I have nothing to give, I do not care even for my own daughter of myself, but I will keep you and your family in my prayers. Just wanted to let you know that even if we aren't sending money, we will pray!
God bless,
Alex
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Alex -
Thank you.
I know that every experience has been pre planned by our Father for all of us - and He does not take short cuts - and it is extremely painful at times - almost impossible and unbearable - for He is our God of the impossible.
George.
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Alex -
I will pray and continue praying for your daughter to be changed by Him; and I will keep praying for you too.
George.
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Thank you George.
I just finished listening to ray's "Where did God get knowledge" Audio again because Dennis had posted it in another thread in the general discussion. The ending of it is just so beautiful and worth the listen. I'm sure you've heard it but it might be helpful to hear it again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PNgXMHGS2U&feature=youtu.be
God bless,
Alex
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Alex -
I did the same - and I believe Ray is absolutely right about how hard both our Father and Jesus worked and still work for us and all of His creation.
Furthermore, I am convinced that they both share and feel our sufferings and pain with us.
George.
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Hi George,
I just wanted to let you know I'm still praying for your needs.
Love to you dear brother.
Alex
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Alex -
Thank you.
I am also praying for you and your family.
I love your posts and the supporting Scriptures you provide.
God Keep you and Bless you.
Grateful George.
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All -
Thank you for your prayers and support.
Our situation is still desperate; and my wife and I are worried sick.
Please continue to pray for us for The Lord to help us in our hour of need.
George.
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All -
Thank you for your prayers and support.
Our situation is still desperate; and my wife and I are worried sick.
Please continue to pray for us for The Lord to help us in our hour of need.
George.
Why is it necessary to continue to pray? Is Jesus stupid and didn't understand the prayers the first time around? Or is Jesus deaf and cannot hear?
Maybe you need to obey what Jesus says.
One thing Jesus tells us is not to worry, and He will give us our daily needs.
Another thing Jesus said was not to use a lot of words in prayer because the Father already knows what you need before you ask.
Obey Jesus. Maybe He is wanting you to learn through experience. That you should not have given so much to your wayward son that it put the rest of your family in financial jeopardy.
Concentrate on the daily basic essentials. You may lose your home. But work and find another shelter for your family through God's grace. Next, work and earn your food to feed you and your family on a daily basis.
God will provide for you. If you have food and shelter on a daily basis, then be content. Millions living today on the earth do not have that.
Silver and gold I don't have, but what I have I give to you. Trust in God with your whole heart and He will provide you all things. Consider the birds in the air and the grasses in the field. God provides what they need, and you are of greater value to God than all of them.
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All -
Thank you for your prayers and support.
Our situation is still desperate; and my wife and I are worried sick.
Please continue to pray for us for The Lord to help us in our hour of need.
George.
Why is it necessary to continue to pray? Is Jesus stupid and didn't understand the prayers the first time around? Or is Jesus deaf and cannot hear?
Maybe you need to obey what Jesus says.
One thing Jesus tells us is not to worry, and He will give us our daily needs.
Another thing Jesus said was not to use a lot of words in prayer because the Father already knows what you need before you ask.
Obey Jesus. Maybe He is wanting you to learn through experience. That you should not have given so much to your wayward son that it put the rest of your family in financial jeopardy.
Concentrate on the daily basic essentials. You may lose your home. But work and find another shelter for your family through God's grace. Next, work and earn your food to feed you and your family on a daily basis.
God will provide for you. If you have food and shelter on a daily basis, then be content. Millions living today on the earth do not have that.
Silver and gold I don't have, but what I have I give to you. Trust in God with your whole heart and He will provide you all things. Consider the birds in the air and the grasses in the field. God provides what they need, and you are of greater value to God than all of them.
I would just add a gentle reminder that we are not always afflicted by God for a lack of faith or obedience. Remember Job.
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In my life, I have been in this situation so many times! One thing I have found out is that, some way, some how, God has seen us Thur! Now, I have observed in my situation's that "folks" will stand by and almost accused you of willfully being in that situation, and that's is your own fought. For a fact, some of us will look at another persons situation, and say this or that, and it's easy to say what a person should or should not do when we are not in that situation. "But" when we find our selves in that situation, we want every body brother, and the angles in heaven to come to our recuse. So don't let nobody tell you that it's your own cause, or you should have did this, or you should not have done that! We all have in one time in our Live's been in that dark place of bad situations , and if not, just keep on living and they will see. I know word's seems very little, but word's are all most of us have to give, so I will say to keep making one step at a time, trust in God that He will in time see you Thur this situation. Trails and troubles are a part of God's children's lives. Remember, God did not say He would keep us from going down "in the valley of the shadow's of death", but He will be with us down in that very valley! And also, when you are used to been poor most of your life, knowing that you are getting by on nothing but the mercies of God, I have learned that God will never leave you, and that He will make a way some time out of no way! I have seen God do some mighty things, make ways out of no way, when I had nothing, could not get nothing, but some way, He made a way! I am not trying to get pity in no way, but only being honest of my experiences in life! Being a black man, and living in this part of the U. S. , having many qualifications, but being who I am, have cause many disappointments in my life, but yet God has made a way for me out of no way! As a brother in Christ, keep trusting in God that He will bring you out of this situation, and to keep looking toward Him. You are in my prayer's! Timothy
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Timothy -
Thank you.
I am where you have been more than once.
I will keep on trusting Him and He is Life and everything else.
George.
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Alex -
Job is constantly on my mind.
I agree with your statement about afflication.
Thank you.
George.
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John from Kentucky -
All what you have said is true.
And I am humbled by this experience.
Thank you.
Kind Reagrds.
George.
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In my life, I have been in this situation so many times! One thing I have found out is that, some way, some how, God has seen us Thur! Now, I have observed in my situation's that "folks" will stand by and almost accused you of willfully being in that situation, and that's is your own fought. For a fact, some of us will look at another persons situation, and say this or that, and it's easy to say what a person should or should not do when we are not in that situation. "But" when we find our selves in that situation, we want every body brother, and the angles in heaven to come to our recuse. So don't let nobody tell you that it's your own cause, or you should have did this, or you should not have done that! We all have in one time in our Live's been in that dark place of bad situations , and if not, just keep on living and they will see. I know word's seems very little, but word's are all most of us have to give, so I will say to keep making one step at a time, trust in God that He will in time see you Thur this situation. Trails and troubles are a part of God's children's lives. Remember, God did not say He would keep us from going down "in the valley of the shadow's of death", but He will be with us down in that very valley! And also, when you are used to been poor most of your life, knowing that you are getting by on nothing but the mercies of God, I have learned that God will never leave you, and that He will make a way some time out of no way! I have seen God do some mighty things, make ways out of no way, when I had nothing, could not get nothing, but some way, He made a way! I am not trying to get pity in no way, but only being honest of my experiences in life! Being a black man, and living in this part of the U. S. , having many qualifications, but being who I am, have cause many disappointments in my life, but yet God has made a way for me out of no way! As a brother in Christ, keep trusting in God that He will bring you out of this situation, and to keep looking toward Him. You are in my prayer's! Timothy
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All -
Thank you for your prayers and support.
Our situation is still desperate; and my wife and I are worried sick.
Please continue to pray for us for The Lord to help us in our hour of need.
George.
Why is it necessary to continue to pray? Is Jesus stupid and didn't understand the prayers the first time around? Or is Jesus deaf and cannot hear?
1Th 5:17 Never stop praying.
Luk 18:1 Now He told them a parable also, so that they must always be praying and not be despondent,
Psa 86:3 Be gracious to me, O Yahweh, For I am calling on You the entire day.
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All -
Thank you for your prayers and support.
Our situation is still desperate; and my wife and I are worried sick.
Please continue to pray for us for The Lord to help us in our hour of need.
George.
Why is it necessary to continue to pray? Is Jesus stupid and didn't understand the prayers the first time around? Or is Jesus deaf and cannot hear?
1Th 5:17 Never stop praying.
Luk 18:1 Now He told them a parable also, so that they must always be praying and not be despondent,
Psa 86:3 Be gracious to me, O Yahweh, For I am calling on You the entire day.
Jesus says, But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father Who is in secret; and your Father Who sees in secret will reward you.
And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. Matt 6:6-8
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Certainly most of our praying should and is done in private, but one thing that I note in what Jesus was saying in Matthew 6.
Mat 6:7 And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words. (NKJV)
So Jesus is instructing that we are not to imitate "heathen" - people that do not acknowledge the God of the Bible (He may very well have been speaking of the Pharisees here as He gave an example of them as an improper way to pray.
Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, 'God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector.
But then we have instruction in other Scripture that Ian posted that is directed toward God's people as to how to pray.
1Th 5:17 Never stop praying.
Luk 18:1 Now He told them a parable also, so that they must always be praying and not be despondent,
Psa 86:3 Be gracious to me, O Yahweh, For I am calling on You the entire day.
And we have examples from godly men also, as we heard Ray give open prayers many times, He always prayer 'out loud' before his conferences and Bible studies. And Paul also pray out loud before brethern.
Acts 20:36 And when he had said these things, he knelt down and prayed with them all.
I think we have to make that discernment in Scripture as to WHO the words are directed to. Jesus many time spoke harsh words towards the Pharisees, but He did NOT do so towards His disciples. Ray was pretty tough on those who came forward to criticize or berate him, he was very kind and sympathetic to people that understood (or was trying to) what he was saying. We should certainly reach out to one another with our needs and our prays is the very best means to offer our help.
James 5:16 Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.
Jesus gave a clear warning to those who in the guise of 'tough love' would offend one of His chosen, especially if they are mere babes in Christ.
Luke 17:1 And He said unto His disciples, It is impossible but that occasions of stumbling should come; but woe unto him, through whom they come!
v. 2 It were well for him if a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, rather than that he should cause one of these little ones to stumble.
v. 3 Take heed to yourselves: if thy brother sin, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
v. 4 And if he sin against thee seven times in the day, and seven times turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Therefore, do not be anxious, saying, "What shall we eat? or What shall we drink? or What shall we wear?"
For the Gentiles seek all these things; and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all.
But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things shall be yours as well.
Therefore, do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Let the day's own trouble be sufficient for the day. Matt 6:31-34
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I think we have to make that discernment in Scripture as to WHO the words are directed to. Jesus many time spoke harsh words towards the Pharisees, but He did NOT do so towards His disciples.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Jesus said to Peter, "Get thee behind me, Satan..." Matt 16:23 Mark 8:33 Luke 4:8
Jesus sounds a little tough to me. Maybe even a little harsh?
Might be best to know the Scriptures before judging someone who just quoted the Scriptures.
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John,
Don't lose sight of the fact that no one is suggesting we go out into public and say our prayers in the streets or be like the hypocrits; That we say our prayers out loud in the restaurents before we eat, that we go over to a neighbors and pray out loud, that we make the sign of the cross and a big show of our faith etc... etc...
Well, maybe some are suggesting this but its not how I understand these things nor would I advocate such things. Here are some of the scriptures from Joel's thread were the discussion took a similar turn:
Romans 15:30 – “I appeal to you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God on my behalf”
1Thes 5:25 – “Brethren! be praying for us”
Heb 13:18 - "Be praying for us;
Galatians 6:1-3 Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 3 For if anyone thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself.
James 5:16 Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.
Acts 12:5-Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing of the church unto God for him.
Acts 12:12-And when he had considered the thing, he came to the house of Mary the mother of John, whose surname was Mark, where many were gathered together praying.
Ephesians 6:17-20 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints— AND FOR ME, that utterance may be given to me, that I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the gospel, for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
2 Cor 1:11 you also helping together in prayer for us, that thanks may be given by many persons on our behalf for the gift granted to us through many.
2 Thessalonians 3:1 Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may run swiftly and be glorified, just as it is with you,
Colossians 4:3 meanwhile praying also for us, that God would open to us a door for the word, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in chains,
It is clear that the apostles asked for prayer and even made it publically known amongst the brethren that they were praying for one another.
The scriptures you quoted of Jesus saying don't be like the hypocrits in no way contradicts anything the apostles did in praying for one another or asking for prayer from the brethren. I am concerned though that you seem to be ignoring a foundational truth in scripture that no verse is at all becoming its own interpretation and that it is the sum of God's Word that is truth. All scripture is given by the inspiration of God not just Jesus' words though they are just as important.
I don't think Kat was judging you either and its a shame you feel that way considering we just had a great thread by Lauriellen about loving one another. You accuse her of not knowing the scriptures too which really seems out of place if not completely uncalled for.
Anyways, let no one think himself above those who knew our Lord in person and yet found it not shameful to encourage, ask, and petition one another for prayer. Let us also take heed though not to be like the hyprocrits and when we do pray, let it be in secret, that our Father in heaven may reward us openly.
God bless,
Alex
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Mark 8:32 He spoke this word openly. Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him.
v. 33 But when He had turned around and looked at His disciples, He rebuked Peter, saying, "Get behind Me, Satan! For you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."
This was before Peter was converted, Peter "rebuked" Jesus for saying He must suffer and die and be resurrected... if you consider Christ was harsh it was in equal manner to what Peter was saying to him and He certainly knew how to correct Peter and properly show him the error of what he was saying.
Jesus also spoke very plainly about our attempts to judge others.
Mat 7:1 "Judge not, that you be not judged.
v. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.
v. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?
v. 4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye?
v. 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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May God judge.
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Hi Kat I agree, nicely said! There are lots of examples in the bible that prayer is not just done in the closet. To suggest that prayer is only to be done in the closet is just religious. I Heard LRay Smith pray before everyone on all his audios of his teachings. I see Paul the apostle do it in his epistles.