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Title: Chosen
Post by: Martinez on October 23, 2008, 03:21:49 AM

Hi everyone!

I was looking for a particular piece of scripture this morning for another thread and I found this absolutely amazing (well I think it is) piece of scripture in Judges.

Jdg 20:14  But the children of Benjamin gathered themselves together out of the cities unto Gibeah, to go out to battle against the children of Israel.
Jdg 20:15  And the children of Benjamin were numbered at that time out of the cities twenty and six thousand men that drew sword, beside the inhabitants of Gibeah, which were numbered seven hundred chosen men.
Jdg 20:16  Among all this people there were seven hundred chosen men lefthanded; every one could sling stones at an hair breadth, and not miss.
Jdg 20:17  And the men of Israel, beside Benjamin, were numbered four hundred thousand men that drew sword: all these were men of war.


This marvelous piece of scripture actually brings to mind some more scripture.

Rev 20:8  And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9  And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Rev 11:3  And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4  These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5  And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

It looks to me that we are going to be chosen, then we had better know the scriptures and know them really well, because the chosen in these scriptures certainly do.
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: aqrinc on October 23, 2008, 03:58:54 AM
Hi Martinez,

I wrote something about the preparation we go through in another thread, All of the called are taught the whole truth.
I think that we are also each highly trained (even if we do not realize it yet) in some particular discipline or multiples
of same for the tasks that the Chosen will do. Just like the military or police or any team sport that requires varied and
highly developed skill sets. In any elite organization many are called but few are chosen for the most exacting jobs.
Hope that is the analogy you were referring to or at least i came close.

Keep it coming Brother,  :)

George.
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Rene on October 23, 2008, 09:30:24 AM
Hi Martinez,

I wrote something about the preparation we go through in another thread, All of the called are taught the whole truth.

George.

Hi George,

Only the called, WHO ARE CHOSEN, are given true spiritual sight and understanding in this age, which, in turn, produces the "fruit of God's spirit in the elect.

Here is an excerpt from the LOF Pt. 8 - Where Is the Church That Jesus Built?

http://bible-truths.com/lake8.html

THE "CALLED" AND THE "NOT CALLED"

But of the "many called," we are told, "few are chosen" (Matt. 20:16). Why is that? God has intended it to be such. We are given the parable of the "sower of seed" where much of the seed fell by the side of the tilled soil, and the birds ate it; some had no depth and withered in the sun; still more fell among thorns and were chocked, but some fell upon good soil and produced much fruit. Many seed are sown, but few seed produce good fruit. "Seed" we see everywhere in the Church; "fruit" of God’s spirit is more rare. These few have the added designation of:

"These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful" (Rev. 17:14).

These are the "very elect" who cannot be deceived any longer by the Great Whore, "Mystery Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots, and the Abominations of the earth."


René





 
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: high pulpit on October 23, 2008, 09:53:35 AM
Hello Guys,
New member on board. I've been reading you and learning from u guys for the past two years.

The called and CHOSEN are also the "blessed and HOLY is he who has part in the first resurrection, for upon them the second death shall not touch".
This therefore begs and opens up an analysis and understanding of what HOLINESS really is.
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Kat on October 23, 2008, 11:43:39 AM

Hi High pulpit,

I'm glad you have joined us  :)

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This therefore begs and opens up an analysis and understanding of what HOLINESS really is.

That is a good question concerning who the Chosen are.  Here is the definition from Webster.

Holy
HO'LY, a.

1. Properly, whole, entire or perfect, in a moral sense. Hence, pure in heart, temper or dispositions; free from sin and sinful affections. Applied to the Supreme Being, holy signifies perfectly pure, immaculate and complete in moral character; and man is more or less holy, as his heart is more or less sanctified, or purified from evil dispositions. We call a man holy,when his heart is conformed in some degree to the image of God, and his life is regulated by the divine precepts. Hence, holy is used as nearly synonymous with good, pious, godly.

Be ye holy; for I am holy. 1 Pet 1.

2. Hallowed; consecrated or set apart to a sacred use, or to the service or worship of God; a sense frequent in Scripture; as the holy sabbath; holy oil; holy vessels; a holy nation; the holy temple; a holy priesthood.
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It is a very high calling that we have. 

Php 3:14  I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: aqrinc on October 23, 2008, 01:06:01 PM
Rene,

I am busted down to PSC, you are right and i did not clarify my argument. All the called are exposed
to the Truth and are taught starting with (milk).

Hi Martinez,

I wrote something about the preparation we go through in another thread, All of the called are taught the whole truth.

George.

Hi George,

Only the called, WHO ARE CHOSEN, are given true spiritual sight and understanding in this age, which, in turn, produces the "fruit of God's spirit in the elect.

Here is an excerpt from the LOF Pt. 8 - Where Is the Church That Jesus Built?

http://bible-truths.com/lake8.html

THE "CALLED" AND THE "NOT CALLED"

 
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Martinez on October 23, 2008, 04:56:13 PM

Here's what I was getting at.

Jdg 20:14  But the children of Benjamin gathered themselves together out of the cities unto Gibeah, to go out to battle against the children of Israel.  

This I think is a spiritual match for this.

Rev 20:8  And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9  And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.  

Jdg 20:15  And the children of Benjamin were numbered at that time out of the cities twenty and six thousand men that drew sword, beside the inhabitants of Gibeah, which were numbered seven hundred chosen men.

Here Israel is the few and the chosen, but only the few were in the right here.

Jdg 20:16  Among all this people there were seven hundred chosen men lefthanded; every one could sling stones at an hair breadth, and not miss.

No prizes for guessing what this means, they have great understanding of the word of God and destroying the enemies with it, thats what the stones are.
And I think this is a spiritual match for the above as well.

Rev 11:3  And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4  These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5  And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.  

Jdg 20:17  And the men of Israel, beside Benjamin, were numbered four hundred thousand men that drew sword: all these were men of war.

I know these guys right here are the orthodox christian church because they are the many, they draw the sword (word of God) and they are men of war.

That's just what I get out of that at this particular point in time.
I find this stuff very exciting, I can't believe it's just right there under so many peoples noses and they never see it!

Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: aqrinc on October 24, 2008, 01:26:49 AM
Ok,

I get some of it now, this takes some digesting so off to more reading and Praying for understanding.
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Longhorn on November 14, 2008, 12:54:14 PM
I'm not sure if this question has been asked before, but this thread seemed to be an appropriate place to ask.
Does anyone have an idea outside of the obvious what the Elect will do or for that matter everyone once they have been given a spiritual body?  I'm not sure if it's really important to even know but my imagination is going so I thought I'd pose the question.  I know the universe is huge to say the least so I can imagine that maybe we will venture forth into the cosmos?

As far as the qualifications of the Chosen/Elect, I think the trials and tribulations we each go thru on personal levels are what will help to qualify the Elect as righteous Judges.  When you have overcome something difficult afterward, you tend to be considered a pro at whatever it was that was an obstacle.  Likewise, as Judges, the Elect will be able to judge properly those people who have similar shortcomings or obstacles.  I think this is why each Elect person's road to God is purposely hard and difficult and extremely different from each other because of what they bring to the "table" so to speak.  For example, how would an Elect judge a alcoholic who was abusive towards others unless one of the Elect had experienced the very same thing and overcome; how can one of the Elect righteously judge a child molester unless one of the Elect had either been on or had been a victim of one.

God said that He “chose the weak things of the world… and the base things of the world and the things that are despised…. and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence. (1 Corinthians 1:27-29).

So I take from that, that the Elect will be comprised of formerly some of the most carnal people on the planet.  These formerly carnal people will obviously be shown the complete truth and be converted after trials and chastisement, etc.  But my point is, in order to understand the worse and be able to judge the worst fairly, you have to have a personal experience of being the worst yourself.  Does that make any sense?



Im a shoe in then.   ;D

Longhorn
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: mharrell08 on November 14, 2008, 01:14:24 PM
But my point is, in order to understand the worse and be able to judge the worst fairly, you have to have a personal experience of being the worst yourself.  Does that make any sense?


Hello jacobbsladdr,

Was Christ the worst himself in his earthly ministry in order to properly judge the worst in the world? We never read of Paul, when he was known as Saul, being a fornicator. Actually he kept the law 'blameless'. But he spoke out against such abominations to the numerous churches he wrote to after his conversion.

This is the same sort to question RichardD asked in the 'Evil' thread...there are some excellent comments there especially Ninny's (Kathy).

James 2:10  For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all

Rom. 3:19  Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.


Hope this helps,

Marques

Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Ricky on November 14, 2008, 01:47:09 PM
Hello everyone, It appears that if you are not chosen, God, the bible, and this web site will be of no use to anyone that God has not already chosen. This web site appears to be for the chosen only, and if that is so I do not belong here, because I do not believe that I am one of the chosen, impossible, with 6 billion people in this world there is no chance I am one of the few. So why do I believe what Ray teaches and keep coming back here every day. If I believe that I am not one of the chosen, then it does not matter how I live my life, because I can do nothing about the outcome of my death, and where I will end up. God has already taken care of that. One thing I have never done in life, is go after something I cannot have or get, it`s a waste of time. God would not pick someone like me, for this highest calling. I can almost see God moving Satan back into my life for the kill. Sure hope I am wrong. It seems like life was created for the chosen only and everyone else, life is just dust in the wind.
   Bless you all,  and maybe good luck Ricky.  :'(
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: hillsbororiver on November 14, 2008, 02:04:32 PM
Hi Ricky,

Let's not forget who is called by God, we don't know who is or who isn't chosen.

1Co 1:26  For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
 
1Co 1:27  But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
 
1Co 1:28  And base things of the world and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea and things which are not, to bring to naught things that are:
 
1Co 1:29  That no flesh should glory in his presence.

Are you saying God is powerless to bring you to him?

Peace,

Joe
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Martinez on November 14, 2008, 05:35:38 PM

Mat 22:1  And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
Mat 22:2  The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
Mat 22:3  And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
Mat 22:4  Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
Mat 22:5  But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
Mat 22:6  And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
Mat 22:7  But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
Mat 22:8  Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
Mat 22:9  Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
Mat 22:10  So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
Mat 22:11  And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
Mat 22:12  And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
Mat 22:13  Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 22:14  For many are called, but few are chosen.  
Ricky, We are not here because We are the cream of the crop, we're here because the rest of the world are not.

You're attitude is one of self sufficiency which is at the heart of all religion such as that displayed here.

Gen 3:7  And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.





Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Ricky on November 14, 2008, 06:40:35 PM
Hello Joe, You are right, we do not know who is chosen and who is not, and we never will. So what do we do, live out our lives believing we are the elect. Joe you ask if I am saying that God is powerless to bring me to Him, you are talking in the now, or future tense. If God has not already predetermined if I am to be the elect , He cannot change that decision because He does not change. So the answer is yes He cannot bring me to Him now or in the future. This is how I see it. It is almost like saying, Belief is a wise wager, if you gain, you gain all, but if you lose you lose nothing.
 Ricky
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Kat on November 14, 2008, 07:08:32 PM

Hi Ricky,

It is predetermined, but we do not know which way it is determined.  None by what they have to offer can qualify for that high calling.  It is only accomplished by the Holy Spirit indwelling.  So it is not vanity to seek to be in the first resurrection, but certainly a good endeavor.  If we do make it then what great joy to be among those who have obtained that high calling.  But even if we don't make it, surely we have learned and gained some degree of righteousness in our striving for it.  And I think that will be a big help in going throught the lake of fire, because learning righteousness is the purpose of the lake of fire.

Isa 26:9  With my soul I have desired You in the night,
       Yes, by my spirit within me I will seek You early;
       For when Your judgments are in the earth,
       The inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: hammerandnails on November 14, 2008, 07:26:27 PM
Amen to that Kat!!! :)

Ricky, you are in my prayers! :)

In His Love
Ariel
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: hillsbororiver on November 14, 2008, 07:32:17 PM

Hello Joe, You are right, we do not know who is chosen and who is not, and we never will. 

Never? Of course we will, at least in the next age.

So what do we do, live out our lives believing we are the elect.

1Co 9:24  Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

Joe you ask if I am saying that God is powerless to bring me to Him, you are talking in the now, or future tense. If God has not already predetermined if I am to be the elect , He cannot change that decision because He does not change.

Mat 19:26  But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

So the answer is yes He cannot bring me to Him now or in the future. This is how I see it. It is almost like saying, Belief is a wise wager, if you gain, you gain all, but if you lose you lose nothing.

Isa 55:8  For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

Isa 55:9  For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

 Ricky

His Peace to you Brother, it sounds like you are wandering in the wilderness right now, I say this because I am very familiar with the surroundings....

Joe

 
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Ricky on November 14, 2008, 10:17:57 PM
Thankyou Kat and Joe,  right again Joe, I have been wandering for a long time or maybe I have always been wandering and have never been on the right road, at least I know what and where the truth is, and cant do nothing with it, and that can make me angry with God because it sounds like it would be His calling for who walks on that narrow road or not. Ariel thankyou so much I will need all the help I can get now because I got laid off last week and that shall make a bigger mess out of my life.
    Bless you all      Ricky
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Marlene on November 14, 2008, 10:34:42 PM
Hello, I believe like Kat wrote. Every since I came in here and believed like Ray I have wanted to run the race. Now, will i qualify? I believe he is able to make me qualify. I know it is him who makes me want to run. No matter what it will be worth it in the end. Maybe, I will not require so much correction or teaching in the second death, if not in first. I will just fear like it all depends on him. It does.

In His Love,
Marlene
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Kirk Bresee on November 15, 2008, 09:31:01 PM
I'm trying to make sense of all the responses but am having trouble
finding an answer to your initial question...

Aren't you forgetting that there are two types of Christians?
      1. Be hot or cold, not lukewarm (Rev.)
      2. Wise or foolish, as in the parable of the 10 virgins
      3. Those that sing the song of Moses or sing the song
          which is known only to God and the singers (Rev.)


     
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: indianabob on November 18, 2008, 01:21:26 AM
Interesting point Kirk,

Care to expand on that idea a little bit more for Ricky.

It seems that Ricky wants the top job or no participation at all.
Showing no confidence in God's desire for his life.
While we know that God loves all of His children.
How can we help him to understand more clearly?

Bob
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Pini56 on November 18, 2008, 07:33:45 AM
Hope This Helps,

  Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Philippians 2:12-13.

With Love Geoff.

Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Ricky on November 18, 2008, 10:30:59 AM
Bob, Ricky does not want any top job, he just wants to get in the door and be happy with that.
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: jennie on November 18, 2008, 01:36:17 PM
My heart goes out to you. We just have to keep "running the race" and God has all the details of who, what where, when and why... ya know? I have been struggling mightily myself and have to remind myself( please allow this attempt at quoting scripture in my own way!) we battle not against flesh and blood but bigger fish than that! Sometimes we do battle our flesh and blood because God wants us to be at peace inside but this old human side of us just fights us every step of the way! Hope somehow this may help a little. Much love....Jennie
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: aqrinc on November 18, 2008, 02:09:48 PM
Hi Ricky,

The number to choose from is quite a bit more than 6 billion, more like All who have been born and exposed to
the Truth since Jesus Christ said: (IT IS FINISHED). When i take enough time to reflect; It is a Strange Work
that GOD Through our Lord And Saviour Jesus Christ is doing Today.

Today in particular there is a mountain i am facing and just want the courage to not turn and run in fear.
Rather than worry about being one of the chosen, i just want Peace wirh GOD and a place to lay my head.

george.

Hello everyone, It appears that if you are not chosen, God, the bible, and this web site will be of no use to anyone that God has not already chosen. This web site appears to be for the chosen only, and if that is so I do not belong here, because I do not believe that I am one of the chosen, impossible, with 6 billion people in this world there is no chance I am one of the few. So why do I believe what Ray teaches and keep coming back here every day. If I believe that I am not one of the chosen, then it does not matter how I live my life, because I can do nothing about the outcome of my death, and where I will end up. God has already taken care of that. One thing I have never done in life, is go after something I cannot have or get, it`s a waste of time. God would not pick someone like me, for this highest calling. I can almost see God moving Satan back into my life for the kill. Sure hope I am wrong. It seems like life was created for the chosen only and everyone else, life is just dust in the wind.
   Bless you all,  and maybe good luck Ricky.  :'(

Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: hammerandnails on November 18, 2008, 02:55:13 PM
Dear Ricky,

I greatly admire your honesty!
At least you are being honest and you are not the least trying to pretend who you are not.
That is priceless! ;D
At least you are not deceived:           "For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing,
                                                     he deceives himself." Gal.6:3
           

I don't know your backround, but I can tell you this, (which I believe it reflects also the beliefs of some other people who posted)

If you are low, if you are miserable, if you are broken and in darkness, if you had build some sand castles,
if you don't know what to believe, if you are a thief, a liar, a deceiver, if you came to the end of yourself, if you are rejected by the world system, if you are afflicted, if you are confused, if you blaspheme,
and you question God's integrity and His will, and on and on.....my dear Ricky, YOU ARE IN THE QUALIFICATION LIST!!!!

Furthermore, Ricky, if and when God desires to drag you to Him, and choose you (relax about that!!) I can tell you
in the presence of my Lord Jesus Christ whom I serve, and adore, and knows the condition of my heart,
if that should happen, YOU WILL KNOW BEYOND ANY SHADOW OF DOUBT THAT YOU ARE,
and you WILL KNOW THE IF ANOTHER MAN IS CHOSEN OR NOT, BECAUSE YOU WILL SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE!!! ;D ;D
Is like being in a foreign country where everybody speak gibberish, and from the distance, you hear someone
speaking English. You will run towards that person!!!! Nobody around will be able to understand it but you!!! :o

I believe that we are tested every moment, we are placed in circumstances where the Lord will see
and judge our response to those circumstances.
Live like you want to pass the test!!!
I too wanted to be a general, when I was but a soldier.
Is nothing wrong with a soldier!!!! ;) ;)
I rather be a darn good soldier, than a real bad general!!


Shalom
Ariel




Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: mharrell08 on November 18, 2008, 03:12:12 PM
Hello Ricky,

You have received some wonderful advice from the many members who have responded which I hope helps you find the answer you seek.

I want to make one point though. The only reason being one of the elect seems like such a humongous task is because we, all of us, look at it from our prospective instead of God's. When we think about 'calling upon the name of the Lord', 'our righteousness far exceeding the Pharisees', 'abiding in him', and etc. it seems very daunting. No one can do all these many things themselves. But, is anything too hard for God?

From the Lord's prospective, it is rather easy to bring one into the kingdom of God. Look how fast Saul, being the chief sinner of all time, was converted and his will was made to follow the will of the Father. The more we realize it is Christ IN US, doing good, than we see that with God, all things are possible including being chosen and faithful. Our hope is not based on whether or not 'we' can do anything, but rather Him that is in us.

1 Cor. 15:10  But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

1 Cor 4:7  For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?

Eph 1:4  According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Eph 2:10  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


Everyday I pray that my focus stays on Him working through me instead of me working to please him. I used to pray and hope for the latter and be very disappointed in myself when falling short. Now I grow stronger as my focus stays on him as it is not I who is growing stronger, but the spirit IN me. Christ says he could raise up stones to do his work [Matt. 3:9]...surely he can do the same with little ol' me.  :D

Our confidence in hoping to be one of the elect and in the kingdom of God lies not with ourselves, but with Him. If I were to think of myself trying to meet this high calling, I would be distraught as well. But when we look to Christ, who makes us complete IN HIM, we can trust that, God willing, we will see him as he is on the last day.

It is not a sense of pride or haughtiness when we recognize that through Christ we can be in the 1st resurrection; it is a symbol of faith and hope that God will keep the promises that He makes all throughout the scriptures. Let your confidence and assurance be on Christ rather than yourself and be not swayed with your personal shortcomings...For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God...[Rom 3:23].


Hope this helps,

Marques
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Ricky on November 18, 2008, 06:25:28 PM
Hey, I can hear you all speaking words of truth and great wisdom, thankyou. You all have something that that I would like to have to. It appears that God is holding it back from me right now for what ever reasons He has, but maybe it is not for me, and I am just suppose to be the puppy around here barking at you all coz I could be jealous and just a big crybaby and you guys get good pratice at being the elect before you all even get there. Is there 1 person out there that can honestly say, Yes I am know I am chosen? Or are you just hoping for the best, while I prepare for the worst, that way it wont hurt so much. Thankyou all for your kind words of wisdom, you all have helped.         Ricky
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: mharrell08 on November 18, 2008, 06:58:00 PM
Is there 1 person out there that can honestly say, Yes I am know I am chosen?


No

2 Tim 2:19  Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his...

Rom 8:29-30  For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Or are you just hoping for the best, while I prepare for the worst, that way it wont hurt so much.

Romans 8
19  For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God

20  For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21  Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22  For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23  And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.


Being delivered from the bondage of corruption is now the worst? In that case, what in the world is the best?

Where is your faith? Is anything too hard for God? As we both know the answer is an emphatic 'NO', why do you doubt that the Lord can mold you into His very image? I understand the humility to speak of 'not knowing' if we are to be chosen and faithful, but why do you continue to imply that it is impossible for someone like you?

You are still looking within yourself for this glorious accomplishment. It takes Christ IN YOU for one to be chosen and faithful. When you continue to cast doubt, you are not casting doubt on yourself. Rather, it is Christ himself which you cast doubt on. Whether through ignorance or not, that is the message you are stating. Put your trust and confidence in the Lord...what do you have to lose?



Marques
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Kat on November 18, 2008, 07:57:43 PM

Hi Ricky,

Quote
Is there 1 person out there that can honestly say, Yes I am know I am chosen?


You can only know you are in the race, but the thing is you must finish the race to be in the first resurrection.  As much as I love this truth and being with the believers here, I do realize that God could quite easily bring about circumstances that would take me away from it all.  That would only mean that I was never one of the Elect.  But I will continue "with fear and trembling," hopefully until the end, as I know God could complete this work in me as well as anybody. 
Here is a excerpt from Ray's Bible study 'Free Will is anOxymoron.'

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5154.0.html -------

If God is determined that you and I will obey Him from here on out, guess what?  There’s no other alternative.  We will do it!  But the only thing is, He doesn’t tell us for sure that we are one.  Christ knows those that are His (John 10:14).  We don't.  Philippians 2:13, God will do it, He works in you to will and to do.  But then verse 12, with fear and trembling.  Why?  We don't know for sure we are one. 
Paul said less I become a castaway (1 Cor 9: 27).  But you say, ’how could Paul become a castaway?’  He said it could happen.  He said I don't take it for granted, it could happen you know, unless I be a castaway, so I'm going to endure to the END. 
Isn't that what Christ said, he who endures to the end (Matt 24:13), all the way to the end.  The runner who stumbles and falls 2 feet before the finish line, does not win the race.
----------------------------------------------------

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: AK4 on November 18, 2008, 09:54:20 PM
 

Quote
Quote
Is there 1 person out there that can honestly say, Yes I am know I am chosen?


I agree that no one knows for sure sure, but here is a test, are your written in the Lambs Book of Life?  I cant remember where Ray said this but the Book of Life is about us also,

Php 4:3 - Show Context
Indeed, true companion, I ask you also to help these women who have shared my struggle in the cause of the gospel, together with Clement also and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.

2Co 10:7 - You are looking at things as they are outwardly. If anyone is confident in himself that he is Christ's, let him consider this again within himself, that just as he is Christ's, so also are we.

Ps56:8 - You have  taken account of my wanderings; Put my tears in Your bottle. Are {they} not in Your book?

This may just be me, but as you read the Word do you see your life in it also?  You may not now, but dont get discouraged because as God starts giving you eyes to see you will start seeing your life in the Book of Life which is Jesus.

Ray emphasises that the Book of Revelations is happening to those God is calling and choosing so if you can see yourself in the Word then you may be on your way to being part of the chosen

Re 3:5 - `He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

We are told by Paul to confident and bold that we are, but we are also told not to be haughty about our calling--so i guess i will say i am confident that i am chosen but in no way shape or form will i be haughty about it.  I will stay humble but confident.  Whenever i dont try to stay confident this verse almost always "pops" in my head

Lu 18:8 - "I tell you that He will bring about justice for them quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?"



Hope this helps

Anthony
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: hammerandnails on November 19, 2008, 12:11:08 AM
Hello Ricky and everybody,

To answer your question: Does anybody know that you are chosen?

I speak for myself, the answer is Yes!!!

I know that I am chosen, beyond any shadow of a doubt!

I knew that I was chosen before I stumbled upon BT, Ray's studies was only a confirmation for me.

I know that people say I am crazy, but I know, and He knows too!!
I can prove it too! But even if I would attempt to prove it, they would still not believe it, so what's the point?
I don't have to prove anything to anybody.
Christ knows the ones are His! And if He knows, and I know, that's all it matters.

             "Behold you among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvelously:
              for I will work a work in your days, WHICH YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE, THOUGH
              IT BE TOLD TO YOU." Hab.1:5

So, to say that no one knows, is foolishness.
You know when your flesh is whipped until you have no more breath in you, WHEN YOU BEG ON YOUR KNEES TO GIVE YOU JUST A LITTLE BREAK, A MOMENT OF PEACE.
You know when you are prosecuted, spit upon, lose everything including the last once of dignity you have,
You know when you cannot sleep at night, and He wakes you every three hours to pray and to read the word,
you know when you been through the dark night of the soul, when it feels that you are loosing your mind,
you know when Job is your best friend, and your senses are gone and you have nothing to stand on. YOU WILL KNOW!!!
I know because I am going through it NOW!

But my Lord and my God, who will believe our report?? :'( :'(

May God have mercy on us all!!
Ariel
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Marlene on November 19, 2008, 12:46:42 AM
I know, I am not worthy. After, I found Ray's truths I realized I had been lied to in Babylon's churches. I had fallen into a sin right before coming in here. God delivered me from it before finding Ray's website. Well, I just could not get it in my head God could forgive me. So, I began to think about Hell Teachings. My life had been full of many of trials even in Babylons Churches. The thoughts of Hell were about to drive me crazy. One night I cried and cried for truths. I wished I were dead. Thinking I was a lost cause was so hard on me. I had all kinds of health problems, family problems. Money, problems you name it. I said,"I beg you god to show me truths. I just felt deep inside something was not right. Well, he led me to Ray's website. So, many things were answered. God had not given up on me. He showed me it was all him who delivered me from my sin.  The Beast is still falling. It rises and God shows me it. I know I am in the race. I can't get that out of my head. I have not been able to sleep much for two weeks now. I am confident in him. He keeps me close. I think now I had to do  that great sin in order for him to show me his truths. All, I know seeing his truths I want to give in faster when I see the beast. I never want to  be counted out. He is teaching me how to turn from sin faster and it is not easy, but he is enabling me. I know it is all him. I have zeal to run the race. Does this sound strange. There is nothing wrong with being in the second. I don't care about being first. When we are prideful, we what to make ourself first. I have no pride in my actions now. I hate every sin I had and every sin that shows itself as the beast. Well, I am confident he can take it all out and it does depend on him. I know God has put me in this race. Now, maybe something could shake me . But, I am confident in him now and not of myself.

In His Love,
Marlene
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Ricky on November 19, 2008, 01:35:42 AM
Hey, hey beauty, I knew it, thats one chosen, any more? only 143,999 to go.
        Bless you all for the calling            Ricky
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Craig on November 19, 2008, 10:31:09 AM
Hello Ricky and everybody,

To answer your question: Does anybody know that you are chosen?

I speak for myself, the answer is Yes!!!

I know that I am chosen, beyond any shadow of a doubt!

I knew that I was chosen before I stumbled upon BT, Ray's studies was only a confirmation for me.

I know that people say I am crazy, but I know, and He knows too!!
I can prove it too! But even if I would attempt to prove it, they would still not believe it, so what's the point?
I don't have to prove anything to anybody.
Christ knows the ones are His! And if He knows, and I know, that's all it matters.

             "Behold you among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvelously:
              for I will work a work in your days, WHICH YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE, THOUGH
              IT BE TOLD TO YOU." Hab.1:5

So, to say that no one knows, is foolishness.
You know when your flesh is whipped until you have no more breath in you, WHEN YOU BEG ON YOUR KNEES TO GIVE YOU JUST A LITTLE BREAK, A MOMENT OF PEACE.
You know when you are prosecuted, spit upon, lose everything including the last once of dignity you have,
You know when you cannot sleep at night, and He wakes you every three hours to pray and to read the word,
you know when you been through the dark night of the soul, when it feels that you are loosing your mind,
you know when Job is your best friend, and your senses are gone and you have nothing to stand on. YOU WILL KNOW!!!
I know because I am going through it NOW!

But my Lord and my God, who will believe our report?? :'( :'(

May God have mercy on us all!!
Ariel



Ariel,

I have not other words for that post other than "HogWash"  You are only using your "feelings" no scriptural backing at all.  If Ray confirmed these feelings as you say then I would say read Ray's teachings again and again.  I'm reminded of something a church member stated in a bible study I was part of years ago.  She said "I know I'm saved, because when I accepted Christ a warm fuzzy feeling went throughout my body"  My reply was "a cool night and a bottle of Peach Schnapps will do the same also"  needless to say that didn't fly too high. 

Trusting our carnal feelings would the worst advice to give anyone, it is likely what gets us into our messes and whippings to begin with.

Craig
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: hammerandnails on November 19, 2008, 02:07:32 PM
Dear Craig,
Thank you for your post.
Your very words confirmed what I said in my last post, that the scripture might be fulfilled.
But as usual, I must rely in the H.S. to sustain me with scripture:
                 "For consider Him that endured such contradiction of sinners against Himself, lest
                  you be wearied and faint in your minds." Heb.12:3

Everything that was, also is and will be.

                 "......if they persecuted Me,[was] they will also persecute you[now is]........." John15:20
                 "They shall put you out of the synagogues: YEA,THE TIME COMES [and now is]
                  that whosoever kills you will think that he[and now is] DOES GOD SERVICE." John:16:2

                 "And as soon as it was day, the ELDERS OF THE PEOPLE and the CHIEF PRIESTS
                  AND THE SCRIBES came together, and led Him into THEIR COUNCIL.." Luke22:66

                 "And they begun to ACCUSE HIM [and now is] saying: We found this fellow PERVERTING
                  THE NATION [and now is]..................SAYING THAT HE HIMSELF IS[chosen] CHRIST A KING [and now is]."

And can go on and on but I won't.

I can list scripture with dates and times [and I already did in part in my testimony posted here],
but I seek not my glory but glory and honor to the King of Kings.
I also said in one of my post, that the day will come when you yourselves will throw me out from
among you. I can only say one thing, MAY THE WILL OF MY GOD BE DONE!!

There is a little thing to me that I should be judged by you. I care not. I know in Whom I believe and He is able
to keep me, and my life that I give to Him unto my death.

But I tell you this, If you judge [which I know you will] judge this:
-I either belong in an asylum and I am Koo KOO,
-or I am telling you the truth!! If that is the case, than all your learning is in vain. Is not enough to know the scripture,
you must live it, walk in His steps. And since I do, this thing too must come to pass.
And since you strongly believe that nothing happen apart from His will, then believe me, dear brother Craig.
that this very post is His will, and you just stumbled upon a true chosen.

Nothing that is covered, that it shall not be revealed.
If your judgement is true, it shall stand, if not it shall fail.
But the Lord knows who are His. You have no fear of God, for you speak liberally against a sister that you
had received into your forum by your own questioning. If you have not the fear to speak to me and judge me with man judgement,
you have no wisdom either, for the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

If you did not believe me as follower of Christ, or at least give me the benefit of the doubt,
how you will believe me if I give you scripture??
And why is your anger mounting ??
You profess that you believe in a thing, and when one comes and tells you that she believes in the same
thing, and it is like the one that you profess you believe, you deny it!!
You have a form of godliness but denying the power thereof.
If Christ came to me in power, and I am converted and die daily, you don't believe me.
You profess that you believe Paul, but when I say that I bear on my body the suffering of the Lord Jesus Christ, you believe me not!
You profess that you believe the scripture, but when I am telling you that I am made like the scum of the earth,
rejected of men and of the world, I suffer persecution, spit on and buffeted, you believe me not!!
You profess that you believe in the lake of fire as the good and right judgement of God, but when I am telling you that I am
going through this very judgement right now, you believe me not!

But who will believe our report Lord Jesus??
God bless you!!
Ariel.



Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Ricky on November 19, 2008, 02:44:24 PM
Thankyou Ariel, I may not be the smartest person around anywhere, if I needed someone to pray for me, you would get that call, and I am calling. Please pray for me. Your words to Craig`s reply speak for themselves.
             Ricky
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: hammerandnails on November 19, 2008, 02:51:34 PM
Dear Ricky,
I received your call, and as I stand in the presence of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,
I am pleading for you, and fervently praying!!

May the King of Kings be my witness,
and His will be done in your life and mine!!

Living for Him only!
Ariel
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: hillsbororiver on November 19, 2008, 03:07:00 PM
Thankyou Ariel, I may not be the smartest person around anywhere, if I needed someone to pray for me, you would get that call, and I am calling. Please pray for me. Your words to Craig`s reply speak for themselves.
             Ricky

Hi Ricky,

Maybe you should contemplate the following before pleading with another human being to take your case to God;

Rom 8:26  Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
 
Rom 8:27  And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Hi Ariel,

There was a time not all that long ago I gloried in the belief I was one of the chosen, now my only glory is in the saving grace of God and our Lord, I am thankful that whether I am in the 1st or 2nd resurrection His plan for me is to one day be counted as a Son of God!

 
Mat 23:12  And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

1Pe 5:5  Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud and giveth grace to the humble.

1Pe 5:6  Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

Peace,

Joe
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Richard D on November 19, 2008, 03:12:42 PM
Ariel.

Hello sister and friend, I have read your response on post # 33. What a beautiful testimony you have given sister, praise the Lord and all the work He is doing in your life.

I understand what you are saying for God does know those whom he has called and we may know it also but only as long as we remain in Him Christ Jesus.

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

I also had to come to terms with this reasoning too. It may well be your brother Richard could be along with you apart of the elect but only if we hold out until the end.

We must Finnish our race first and then the resurrection we will know for sure if we were apart of the elect or not.


 Rom 8:11  But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.


Ariel, I believe as you do concerning these things too  but  only if I continue in my faith which Jesus has given me but I still am not one hundred percent sure of my election sister because I don’t know if I will hold out until the end.

So like the rest of God’s creatures I must wait and see.

 Rom 8:19  For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

It’s my hope sister that you receive what I’ am saying with the love I am saying  this with. God Bless you sister.


                            In God’s Love, your friend and brother Richard.
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 19, 2008, 03:13:51 PM
Ariel, I know the Apostle Paul never considered his chosen position a done deal. And I know if you asked Ray he would most certainly tell you that his being chosen is not a done deal either.

You are kidding yourself if you think you can let your guard down and coast to the finish line. You most certainly can lose your position in the first resurrection, else Paul would not have talked about loosing his own position.

Dennis
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: hammerandnails on November 19, 2008, 03:42:22 PM


And the voice of Ricky [Pilate] an outsider [Roman] said: "I find no fault in this person"

Seeing they shall not see, hearing they will not understand.

That Your Will be done in my life, my King!!


Dear Richard, thank you.
In every post that I posted here I never tried to hide or deny who I am.
I spoke plainly that the writings of Ray REALLY happen to me!

Dear Mr. Vogel,
I never claimed that I arrived. I know the scripture where it says that " the one who think he stands,
take heed, lest he falls."
I cannot deny the events that happened to me, in power of the Holy Spirit.
I FEAR HIM as much as I LOVE HIM, I had my sensed exercised that I should not exalt myself above what it is given me
by the Lord. May the Lord Jesus be my witness, and may He strike me if I say a lie!!
The only place that I spoke of these things was here because I thought that you understand!
I don't go around telling people I am chosen. I spoke in the congregation of my brothers and sisters,
with no thought whatsoever that they Will not believe me!
I am led by the HS, and if I hide this this things from you I came here as a deceiver.
I don't boast in myself, may the Lord have mercy on me!
I only speak as He give me permission to speak.
And if I deceived you in any way [I speak as a fool], I shall receive my recompense.!!

Shalom
Ariel
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: indianabob on November 19, 2008, 03:56:38 PM
Friend Ariel,

I don't know if you have considered it or not, but your rhetoric below is beginning to sound like the TV evangelist that I watch occasionally.
When a person needs to appeal to the emotions of the hearer in order to make a point, the hearers usually become suspicious of the speakers motives.  No one likes to hear it said that God spoke to me or to my heart.  That is a little bit over the top in my personal view.

We of course have no right to judge, but we are human and our defense mechanisms are active because we have heard it all many times before.

In my own case, I think that I am a reasonably intelligent person and I prefer to be spoken to as an adult.  It surely is more encouraging and positive when a person addresses me at my own level, not condescending.  The point is that a person doesn't like to be accused of judging on the evidence of just a few sentences on either side of an issue.

Regarding Craig and other moderators.  Right or partly right, the moderators have authority over what other members may post on this forum and how it is stated.  We all agreed to submit to that authority when we joined.  So, it behooves us to respond with care and with open, cheerful respect for the critiques that are offered for our mutual benefit.

I realize that newer persons don't always see a perfect example from other members, but that is not an excuse to follow a poor example. We all are here to grow in grace and in knowledge.

Phil 4:5  Let your moderation be known unto all men
Phil 4:8  Finally brethren whatever things are true, whatever things are honest, whatever things are just , whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, if there be any praise think on these things.

Thank you for considering my remarks,

Kindly, Bob



Dear Craig,
Thank you for your post.
Your very words confirmed what I said in my last post, that the scripture might be fulfilled.
But as usual, I must rely in the H.S. to sustain me with scripture:
                 "For consider Him that endured such contradiction of sinners against Himself, lest
                  you be wearied and faint in your minds." Heb.12:3

Everything that was, also is and will be.

                 "......if they persecuted Me,[was] they will also persecute you[now is]........." John15:20
                 "They shall put you out of the synagogues: YEA,THE TIME COMES [and now is]
                  that whosoever kills you will think that he[and now is] DOES GOD SERVICE." John:16:2

                 "And as soon as it was day, the ELDERS OF THE PEOPLE and the CHIEF PRIESTS
                  AND THE SCRIBES came together, and led Him into THEIR COUNCIL.." Luke22:66

                 "And they begun to ACCUSE HIM [and now is] saying: We found this fellow PERVERTING
                  THE NATION [and now is]..................SAYING THAT HE HIMSELF IS[chosen] CHRIST A KING [and now is]."

And can go on and on but I won't.

I can list scripture with dates and times [and I already did in part in my testimony posted here],
but I seek not my glory but glory and honor to the King of Kings.
I also said in one of my post, that the day will come when you yourselves will throw me out from
among you. I can only say one thing, MAY THE WILL OF MY GOD BE DONE!!

There is a little thing to me that I should be judged by you. I care not. I know in Whom I believe and He is able
to keep me, and my life that I give to Him unto my death.

But I tell you this, If you judge [which I know you will] judge this:
-I either belong in an asylum and I am Koo KOO,
-or I am telling you the truth!! If that is the case, than all your learning is in vain. Is not enough to know the scripture,
you must live it, walk in His steps. And since I do, this thing too must come to pass.
And since you strongly believe that nothing happen apart from His will, then believe me, dear brother Craig.
that this very post is His will, and you just stumbled upon a true chosen.

Nothing that is covered, that it shall not be revealed.
If your judgement is true, it shall stand, if not it shall fail.
But the Lord knows who are His. You have no fear of God, for you speak liberally against a sister that you
had received into your forum by your own questioning. If you have not the fear to speak to me and judge me with man judgement,
you have no wisdom either, for the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

If you did not believe me as follower of Christ, or at least give me the benefit of the doubt,
how you will believe me if I give you scripture??
And why is your anger mounting ??
You profess that you believe in a thing, and when one comes and tells you that she believes in the same
thing, and it is like the one that you profess you believe, you deny it!!
You have a form of godliness but denying the power thereof.
If Christ came to me in power, and I am converted and die daily, you don't believe me.
You profess that you believe Paul, but when I say that I bear on my body the suffering of the Lord Jesus Christ, you believe me not!
You profess that you believe the scripture, but when I am telling you that I am made like the scum of the earth,
rejected of men and of the world, I suffer persecution, spit on and buffeted, you believe me not!!
You profess that you believe in the lake of fire as the good and right judgement of God, but when I am telling you that I am
going through this very judgement right now, you believe me not!

But who will believe our report Lord Jesus??
God bless you!!
Ariel.




Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: hammerandnails on November 19, 2008, 04:11:13 PM
Dear brother Bob,

I had considered your remarks and I thank you.
I was not my intention to appeal to the emotions of no one,
And if that will be true, I would have done it with an intention and purpose that I have something to gain.
What did I gained by this?
Reproach?
What did I tried to prove?
I spoke the truth!
If I will tried to gain your admiration [I speak as a fool], I would have listed the scriptures
that it will really prove my case!!
I did not, and I will not.
I will humbly close this subject as far as I am concerned, and I will speak of it no more.
Please forgive me!

Shalom
Ariel
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: Akira329 on November 19, 2008, 04:37:58 PM
Hey Ariel!,
I just wanted to tell you that, you very well may be chosen!
But, It has been emphasized numerous times here in this thread and in scripture....
you must be faithful till the end. you must endure as you have done, but till the end.
run the race! but the race is not over.

No man can claim when the end will be. Most have tried and found out to be liars.
No one knows when the end will come but the Father.

As I do for all here and others, I pray that we endure till the end!
Same for you too :)

Antaiwan
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: aqrinc on November 19, 2008, 05:39:48 PM
Hi Ariel,

The Fruits of The Spirit are not accusation or pride or anger or any such thing. Some of The
Fruits of The Spirit are: meekness, humility, longsuffering, love, understanding, patience and
such things as Edifies GOD and our Lord Jesus Christ. This is probably a good time step back
and remember that we are here to learn and Worship Our GOD and Saviour in Spirit and in
Truth.

Peace and Love and Humility Sister,

george.



Dear Ricky,
I received your call, and as I stand in the presence of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,
I am pleading for you, and fervently praying!!

May the King of Kings be my witness,
and His will be done in your life and mine!!

Living for Him only!
Ariel
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: mharrell08 on November 19, 2008, 06:18:52 PM
What happened?

As usual, I bit into more than I can chew, and I chocked on it!

The beast is coming out!!

After I read the post of Joe on Where are they now? thread, I realized,
that after all, I was invited into your house and I got on the floor and throw a fit!


I too am faaaaaar from perfect. I have moments when God showed me that he is actually better than me!!


I desperately pray that we can speak without hiding behind a new mask called the Elect!!! :(


Deep, down in the basement of my soul, I know that it will be OK.But I can't get a hold of it just yet.
I don't see it. My temple must be cleaned first. :(

Quote from Spirit and Soul thread (now locked):

"I believe the "inner man" is Christ forming in you. ..."until Christ is formed in you."
And is growing as to the degree of separation.
More separation, more growing.
It may take a life time!!"

and

"Please, if I made a mistake, I welcome your correction."


All of these statements in the span of a little over 2 weeks and now this? Did you even believe the very words coming out back then?

So anyone in life who feels they are being picked on is now "chosen"? I guess just forget about calling upon the name of the Lord, our righteousness exceeding the Scribes and Pharisees, overcoming the world, etc. Nope, all we need is to feel picked on and boom, We're Chosen!

Good grief...


Marques
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: aqrinc on November 19, 2008, 06:31:03 PM
And Again I Say,

The Fruits of The Spirit are not accusation or pride or anger or any such thing. Some of The
Fruits of The Spirit are: meekness, humility, longsuffering, love, understanding, patience and
such things as Edifies GOD and our Lord Jesus Christ. This is probably a good time step back
and remember that we are here to learn and Worship Our GOD and Saviour in Spirit and in
Truth.

Gal_5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Eph_5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)


Peace and Love and Humility All,

george.
Title: Re: Chosen
Post by: AK4 on November 19, 2008, 08:05:40 PM
Hi all

Ro 8:16 - The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children.

I dont understand why you guys are being so hard on Ariel.  If she feels the Spirit is testifying to her that she is a child of God then it is up to her to test that spirit. She says she is aware of the scriptures everyone is quoting to her so what else can we do.  It is on God to have her test the spirit she feels she has recieved now.  If she is being decieved then God will reveal this to her or maybe not, but since she says she is aware of the scriptures, dont crush her confidence and lhumbleness and leave it up to God. 

I know you are showing her scriptures out of love, but what can you do if she is convinced and says she knows the scriptures?  Nothing really.  Are you trying to win a soul for Jesus?  Be happy for her either way and trust God will either show her that she is decieved or further encourage her of her calling

Just my thoughts

Anthony