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Dear Friends,
I have been reading Ray's articles and they have been helpful. I am trying to put together a basic understanding of what is being said. Can someone give me a brief outline of God's basic plan for his creation. I just sort of need a road map so I understand what people are talking about. Right now it seems like disconnected pieces in my mind. What I understand so far is that God created us and has plans for us but what is our ultimate destiny? Are we going to live on the earth as humans are we going to be spirits beings in heaven. Can someone give me a brief explanation or give me an address of one of Ray's articles to read. It would be so helpful to at least have a basic idea of where we are going.
Also, I inadvertently started a lot of controversy with some of my questions previously. So please, understand I am not challenging anyones beliefs I only want to understand what is being said. I have no desire to cause any problems with anyone here. I read all of the posts and felt bad that other people were disputing with each other. My friends, lets love each other. In my own life I never want to hurt anyone. Jesus said turn the other cheek so I make it a habit to never respond in anger or harsh words to anyone. This does not mean someone should never be stern and forceful. This is sometimes necessary. However, for me since I know I am a worthless person and in myself not worthy of anything God has to give and that whatever I get from God is purely because of his love and kindness, therefore I feel I have no right to ever speak harshly to anyone or demean their beliefs in any way. So be assured I am only here to learn.
Sincerely,
Dean
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Hi Dean,
A while back, when Josh was a newbie, he wrote a short summary or outline of what he had concluded from Ray's teachings. I printed it out, but gave it to a family member to read. I will try to locate this again for you because I thought it was pretty good. :)
Peace to you,
Lisa
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Hi Dean,
This should help with the first part of your question,
Exposing Those Who Contradict
Part 4
GOOD AND EVIL
God created good and evil (Isa. 45:7).
That covers it all.
God planted the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" - not Satan.
When God planted that tree He said everything (including this tree) was "good." People think that God never intended for man to eat of that tree. Of course He did. How else could man know "good?" He had to eat of that tree.
"Good & Evil" are two separate things, but the "knowledge of good and evil" are not separate. One cannot have knowledge of good without knowledge of evil. It is impossible. And that's why they were both in the same tree. The same fruit. The first time I saw the truth of this verse, that both "good and evil" are in the same tree, I was shocked. I had never seen it before.
Pastor Hagee said that it was God's intention that Adam and Eve walk with Him in the Garden and obey Him. So Adam apparently went against God's intention. Untrue and impossible. If true, then God made a mistake-He sinned! If true, then God doesn't "know all" - He lied! Then God had to go from plan "A" to plan "B." How absurd. Adam did not withstand God's intention. God did NOT make a mistake. God does not lie. God knows all. God did not go to plan B, but rather intended for Adam to sin. At this point in Adam's life, God made him a vessel of dishonor (Rom. 9:21).
Religion and theologians have so clouded men's minds that many can't even think straight anymore. Most do not meditate at any length or depth on what they read in God's Word. If Adam and Eve had NOT eaten of the tree of the knowledge of "GOOD and evil," would they have had a realization that they had done a good thing by being obedient? No. They wouldn't. Why? Because they didn't have a knowledge of "good and evil." That knowledge is in the fruit of a tree that they wouldn't have eaten from. If Adam and Eve never obtained a "knowledge of GOOD and evil," how could they ever know ("knowledge") good?
Since this tree contained not only the knowledge of evil, but of good also, why did God forbid them from eating it in the first place? Or, why didn't He plant another tree in the garden that contained ONLY the knowledge of "good?" Why not two trees: (1) the tree of the knowledge of good, and (2) the tree of the knowledge of evil. They could have eaten of the tree of the knowledge of good only, and rejected the tree of the knowledge of evil, and all of the suffering of the human race would have never came about, and we would all be living in a garden of happiness and bliss to this very day. Or would we? Why didn't God do it this way? Because God is intelligent and wise, not stupid and foolish like the people who come up with questions as these.
God is good (Mark 10:18). God possesses a knowledge of "good and evil" (Gen. 3:22). God wants Sons (Eph. 1:5). Sons possess the attributes of their Father. There it is.
One cannot know good without a knowledge of evil. That's why they are both in the same tree, in the same fruit. We cannot know one without a knowledge of the other.
Eph. 2:10 says:
"For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works ... "
What is an "achievement?" Webster's Dictionary says: "to do ... succeed ... accomplish ... to get ... to reach by trying hard ... gain ... victory ... by skill, work, courage, etc." Webster's New World Dictionary, p. 7. Do we think "achievement," "goodness," or "virtue," are things that fall out of the sky like rain, or grow wild on trees?
Try to name ONE virtue that is not the direct result of overcoming some form of EVIL. If theologians insist that God never intended for man to sin or experience evil, then they are also saying, of necessity, that God never intended for man to have any virtue or to know good!
Let's not delude ourselves. Under the same circumstances as Adam, I would have sinned, you would have sinned, everyone would have sinned.
Yes, Adam and Eve "sinned" when they disobeyed and ate the fruit. But it was God who was behind it. He had already made provision for their salvation from sin.
"The Lamb slain from the foundation [Gk: disruption] of the world" (Rev. 13:8).
God wants sons. (Eph. 1:5). And God "designated us beforehand" for this purpose.
God knows "good and evil" already (Gen. 3:22). Man has no knowledge apart from contrast. We can't know what light is unless we also know darkness. We can't appreciate health without having experienced sickness. And we cannot fully appreciate life without also experiencing death. And so God created all these in order to produce sons.
http://bible-truths.com/part4.htm
His Peace and Wisdom to you Brother,
Joe
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Hi Dean,
Well, I found it! On Page 28, near the bottom of the page, in General Discussions, is Josh's (sj) post entitled MY UNDERSTANDING SO FAR. Sorry for not putting up a link, as I am pretty much computer illiterate! :)
Lisa
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Hi Dean,
Well, I found it! On Page 28, near the bottom of the page, in General Discussions, is Josh's (sj) post entitled MY UNDERSTANDING SO FAR. Sorry for not putting up a link, as I am pretty much computer illiterate! :)
Lisa
Lisa, it's not that difficult to provide a link. All you do is left click and hold while dragging the mouse over the area you want to copy. After
you've highlighted the whole thing/link you right click and select "copy". Then you just come back here, post a reply and right click and select "paste". And it will look like this: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2715.0.html
If you want, you can also provide a link like this: click here (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2715.0.html)
This is a little more complicated to explain, but if you quote me, it will show you what I did to get it like that.
Take care,
Sorin
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Thank you so much Sorin,
And did I mention how happy I am that you are finding your way back home???
Peace, Lisa
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Hi Dean,
You have gotten some great replies.
I will share what I think.
God wants a family to share all of the wonders that He knows with. His plan and purpose is to bring this about.
He started this with His first Son, Jesus Christ. Now He is going to accomplish His whole plan through Him. Christ created the world/universe by which this plan is to be carried out.
Then Christ created the earth and all things on it, for the express purpose of where the human race would live and begin their journey.
This age now, is designed to be a time to show the human race by experiences what is good and evil. We are learning at this time what we are capable of, much evil. This will continue until God has brought the amount of people into existence that He wants. At this same time He is preparing a very small group of chosen elect.
He has this all worked out, it is just being accomplished. When He has reached the point when this age is accomplished, that only the Father knows, then He will send Christ to return in great power and glory.
Satan will be removed, no longer will the adversary seek whom He can devour.
Christ will raise up the elect and He will set up New Jersalem and began to rule all nations. This will began His reign with the elect on the earth, He will rule with total authority.
He brings His judgments with Him, so the time to judge the world begin. I believe this is the start of the great white throne judgment. All will be raised and give an account, the elect are already with Christ, so now all judged will be cast into the Lake of fire and the Lake of fire is Christ and the elect.
In this judgment people will learn righteousness. I think that all these people will live on earth and be taught how to live right lives, according to spirit of the law. They will be purged of all their false/evil/wrong ways, by the fire of the word, that the elect will administer. To think that these spirit being/elect will be in charge and they will not allow the world to continue in it's present evil course. He and the elect will rule with a rod of iron, by their presence. Since they will be spirit and can go immediately anywhere, they can enforce Christ's rule.
The wrold must also be taught the truth, again by the elect. So they will also be given God's Holy Spirit, upon repentance, and their eyes will be opened and they can learn the truth. As God determines, when they have come a mature understanding of the truth, they will be changed to spirit and brought into the kingdom.
For some it will take very little time for this, like say John the Baptist and the prophets of the OT, few stripes. But other make take a very long time, there is a whole age for those that are deeply perverted to be purged and taught, but it will be accomplished.
Beyond this when all mankind are all in all with God? I do not believe that the universe was made in vain, there must be a purpose for all those planets. I know that it is grander than our wildest imagination. We have a spectacular future, I just know it.
Well that is how I see it at this point, I put it in simple terms. Hope it helps :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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Lisa,
It's weird to here myself referred to as "when I was a newbie"... I still fill like a newbie, wide-eyed and in disbelief of all the wonderful things I have learned over that last year from hanging out with you guys here.
I really do appreciate all of the time and effort everyone here gives to this forum. I believe we all have grown as the result.
God's Peace.
Josh
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Josh,
It has been a pleasure to grow with you. :D So, by the way, are you still "in between things"? Peace to you on this happy 4th of July.
Your sister in Christ, Lisa
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Dear friends,
Thank you for all of your helpful information. I will read all of it several times very carefully.
Sincerely,
Dean
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Hi Dean
When you wrote "for me since I know I am a worthless person"
I thought maybe i misunderstood what you were saying?
"For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."[Eph2:10]
Yes we were created spiritually weak, But we are a facinating creation, all of us! Look how well constructed we are....The anatomy is amazing.
Dont be so hard on yourself, All men learn righteousness, every man in his own order. Keep Looking..keep praying, you'll be totally amazed at what God shows you.
Peace
Chris
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Lisa,
It has been a pleasure! I believe if this forum ever closed down I would feel as though I lost a family member (or actually several family members.)
As for being "in between things" ... I'm 24, I feel "in between" EVERYTHING!
Hope you had a wonderful 4th also, and 5th, 6th & etc.
God's Peace.
Josh
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KAT, that was an excellent and concise summary of our existence in HIM. Thank you, that was very enlightening. :D
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Hi Kat,
I do not believe that the universe was made in vain, there must be a purpose for all those planets. I know that it is grander than our wildest imagination. We have a spectacular future, I just know it.
What you said there has stirred my imagination plenty of times too....I know we have little to go on as to exactly what the future will be like for us, in terms of details...like you said, what will be the purpose for all those planets and galaxies???? There is the spirit, invisible world, but there is much that is physical, which holds much fascination, beauty and wonder...like outer space....Perhaps we will be able to enjoy both, the physical and the spiritual combined into one great glory. Who knows. Oh the questions that we simply cannot have answers for yet....but I love what you said, "We have a spectacular future"....so cool!!!!
Peace,
Diana
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Thanks you for all of the great responses. Chris, thank you for your encouragement. Right now in my life I feel embarrassed, humbled, humiliated, ashamed, stupid and sometimes feel like crawling into a hole and disappearing. I don't know if anyone else ever felt this way but I feel like a fool and someday I will have to admit to everyone I know that I have been a fool for a long time. I dread that. It will do no good to tell them that I now have found some deeper truth. They will look at me like I am a brainwashed idiot. When I was younger my family once had me kidnapped. I was exploring different ideas and they didn't like it. One day I was sitting in a restaurant talking to these people who had a different religious perspective and suddenly found myself being dragged away and thrown into a car and taken away. My family and friends are very serious people. But, despite all of this I am so glad I now know that hell is not a real place. I will sing praises to God for showing me this truth. I'll be humiliated and humbled but in the end I will know I am right. This is one of the reasons I move so cautiously and carefully. I feel like I am going to have to spend years defending my new beliefs. I will be hounded to the end of the earth about this. The looks of sadness and disappointment. How did the devil win you over. Why have I rejected Jesus Christ? Yes, it is going to be very difficult. Never the less I will not turn back from the course I am on. Truth is too important. Maybe I am a fool but I like to think I am being a fool for Christ.
Sincerely,
Dean
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Dean,
When I read your post my heart went out to you. You don't need to feel stupid, or embarassed, or a fool. You don't need to "admit" to everyone that you are a fool. Instead tell whoever asks that you are learning new things from studying the Scriptures, and things that didn't make sense before are beginning to make sense. The purpose of life is becoming clearer, and the future is looking brighter and brighter the more you learn. You see a happy future for mankind in the long run. :D Who knows maybe they'll be curious enough to ask you what you're learning. ;)
By the way, none of us know anything on our own! But if our Lord chooses to give you eyes to see and ears to hear, then REJOICE!! You are one of the FEW!
When you first learn the truth it can seem like a heavy burden because noone around you understands, or even cares about something so earthshattering to you. But as Jesus often told His disciples, do not be afraid. DO NOT BE AFRAID. That is part of the message. It is all in His hands. He has it all undercontrol. Dean, you are not responsible for saving anyone. He will take care of it all.
Enjoy what you are learning. Live a godly life the best you can. TRUST in Him.
Leave the rest to Him! ;D ;D ;D
With Christian love,
Cindy
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Diana, what you and Kat said has got me wondering as well. The thought of us living both physically and spiritually at the same time (or as my little guys says "when we die we will be invisible and be able to go through walls as Yeshua did") is an exciting concept if indeed that will be the case. (What did Yeshua say about Gods'creation being as many as the stars in the heavens? ) (Ha, I actually won a 'star certificate' from a radio station that I could name after anyone, so I named it after good ole mom and sent her the 'copywritten coordinates'and named the star Judith ... ;) ???
Dearest Dean,
Don't be so hard on yourself brother, we have all made fools of ourselves at some point in the babe way of thinking in the past! We are here to catch you if and when you fall my friend; you are not alone! (We are your new family...God has made us unified in the Same Spirit...let this comfort you!) We have all felt as though we couldn't fit the pieces together to the great puzzle of our existence, but, be patient and wait on Him to show you in His timing. Dean, you have a sweet and humble heart; as for the ones that you said were arguing...I think that the intentions are not to hurt one another, but to get overly passionate about our positions at times. (I hope that I did not offend you by doing this?) You're doing great; so don't let Satan steal your joy. You are growing already as I can see it :D
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Thank you so much for the encouragement. I think going through difficult times will make us stronger in the end. My former church took a vote and disfellowshipped me but I won't let that bother me now. Among Baptists what I believe now is considered heresy and differences of opinion are not tolerated. However, I plan to move forward and let God lead me.
Sincerely,
Dean
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Thank you so much for the encouragement. I think going through difficult times will make us stronger in the end. My former church took a vote and disfellowshipped me but I won't let that bother me now. Among Baptists what I believe now is considered heresy and differences of opinion are not tolerated. However, I plan to move forward and let God lead me.
Sincerely,
Dean
Dear Dear Brother,
Do not be swayed in every direction of the winds, Take time, read what is written on www.bible-truths.com Compare everything you read with scripture, use a good program like E-sword, Blue letter bible, Look for yourself, We cannot lead you anywere, But...BUT..once you have a truth..YOU HAVE IT!...God gives it to you.
No one hear will try and persuade you to do one thing, We cannot convince one single person of anything, Nor do we wish to....Read for yourself, find if these things be true..Dont take my word for it, Or that of anyone here, You must search for yourself.
May God give you wisdom in your search for truth.
Sincerely,
Chris R
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Hi Diana and Susan,
The way I'm thinking about this, is how Jesus was after His resurrection.
Luke 24:36 As they were talking about these things, Jesus Himself stood among them, and said to them, "Peace to you!"
v. 37 But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit.
v. 38 And He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts?
v. 39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I Myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."
v. 40 And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.
v. 41 And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, He said to them, "Have you anything here to eat?"
v. 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish,
v. 43 and He took it and ate before them.
As you see Jesus was able to manifest in a physical form, as He was flesh and bones and could eat.
Just as Jesus personally appeared to and dealt with the disciples after His resurrection, after their resurrection I believe the elect will also deal with those in the world personally too. There simple will not be a nation on earth that can resist these glorious, powerful spirit beings instruction, as they bring all people into submission to the the rule of Christ.
And when you think beyond the earth and into the cosmos, this is a physical creation. There is all kinds of speculation about what will be done with these barren planets. It seems we have, here on this earth a vast array of plant and animal life, since the beginning of the creation. Could this be a blueprint to be used out in the enormous universe.
Well those are just some of my thoughts on this :)
Hi Dean,
My former church took a vote and disfellowshipped me but I won't let that bother me now. Among Baptists what I believe now is considered heresy and differences of opinion are not tolerated.
You know you are among good company with this.
John 15:18 "If the world hates you, know that it has hated Me before it hated you.
v. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
v. 20 Remember the word that I said to you: 'A servant is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will also keep yours.
v. 21 But all these things they will do to you on account of My name, because they do not know Him who sent Me.
However, I plan to move forward and let God lead me.
Good idea, and don't look back either.
Luk 9:62 Jesus said to him, "No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God."
You are just starting in a journey that few human being, in this age even have a hope of receiving, so be of good cheer :)
Joh 16:33 These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world."
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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Hello Dean
To try to answer you question:
For me too, God's basic will is to have a family as has been the answer beautifully offered throughout this thread. I just want to add that while God's plan is to raise up sons and daughters in the image of His Son Christ Jesus, God's method is to have us experience evil so we can discern the differences between what is good and what is evil, what is right and what is wrong and ultimately through experience, come to comprehend and prefer what is Godly, right, holy and true.
This experience of moving from a preference for evil and a taste for sin to becoming wise and preferring holiness and purity above evil, will conclude for many through the LOF and some in the first resurrection. What I want to draw attention to is that in the end, God will be all in all.
As far as I know, the Scriptures do not go beyond what it is going to be like when God is all in all. Paul does however pray Eph 3:19…. that you may be filled through all your being unto all the fullness of God and may have the richest measure of the divine Presence, and BECOME A BODY WHOLLY FILLED AND FLOODED WITH GOD HIMSELF!
Paul did not write speak or communicate in vain. That statement for me says it is going to be….not only is it possible…it is inevitable! Then what?…in our limited puny self seeking minds and attitudes, I do not believe we are yet able to grasp the impact of what this means. To contemplate it is awesome! To barely touch the possibility is extravagant enough, but to enter into comprehension and acceptance of this grand truth is simply to leave all forms of boundary and constraint that is a sense of security or comfort to the limited mind and time bound thinking. It is like “letting go” to the constrained mind that is simple and linear in its rational. It is like hanging on to the last vestige of sanity and then God says….LET GO….! Many won’t….some will!
Matt 10 : 39 Whoever finds his life will lose it and whoever loses his life on My account will find it.
It is not natural to loose our lives. It is Divine.
I hope this helps you in your search to encapsulate where we are going. God is going to be ALL in all. What this is going to be like is outside the frame of mortal reference and within the spiritual dynamics of who Christ is and what Paul taught and knew.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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Your life sounds like it has had it's "challenges"! I just about fell off my chair when I read about your own family kidnapping you....my jaw is still open. My family (parents and some siblings) too thinks I've gone into serious heresy, but they aren't that extreme, and I don't really care if they think that or not....I've challenged them to see what the Word really says, not someone else's interpretation or doctrine. We aren't that close, let's say, and never really have been. So for me, not so big a deal....still, it does hurt, so I can imagine what you're going through.
And being disfellowshipped. Ouch.... I left the church voluntarily, but people still talk to me, and I even go out to their homes to visit sometimes (small town, what can I say?) But I know they think I am thinking heretical ideas, and to be careful when talking to me.
Dean, I really feel for you in your situation....you have inspired me to get over my fear and post what has been going on in my life....I have been afraid, but maybe it will encourage someone or help them in some way....
One thing I will say: your mind is a battlefield, literally....it's amazing what it can come up with....things that may never come to pass. Be careful and analyze what you are thinking when you find yourself getting really upset, and see if it's truthful, or if it something that may not be true or have a different outcome that what you think. I desperately hope this makes sense, because I know what you're going through. (I hope you don't mind my saying that; I haven't gone through what you've gone through, but I certainly have been battling in my mind over a crisis in my life....) Take care, and I pray that God's peace would be on you and your family.....James
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Thanks James for your post.
Actually, this whole thread has been awesome!!
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Yes! This is a goodie thread!
Hats off to Dean! May our Lord bless you and keep you on your journey.
Thanks Lisa for the Josh post from page 28! And thanks Josh for the actual Josh post; it was great! If I were to copy it to hand to someone for purposes of sharing the truth, (of course giving you credit), I would modify/add to the line about how Christ dies and reveals Himself to a chosen few... I would add something to the effect about Him being resurrected a spiritual body (although He did manifest it physically), and spiritually manifested Himself in several different forms. :-* And yes, Josh, how cool, I praise God that I AM GROWING EACH DAY!!!
Thanks Rodger for a solid, concise rendition of the ol' basic truth. Job well done. I appreciated it for copying purposes to share with others as well.
:-*
Very interesting to me that my view of the working out of the kingdom on this earth is very very similar to Kat's!
P.S. If I were given my own planet, I would fill it with pretty rocks and Siamese-mix cats! ;D
Thanks all, with love and joy, Janice
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Kat, good points! Having been a Phlebotomist for several years, I find it odd that Yeshua would 'eat' something...being that at that time HE was only of flesh and bone, but having NO BLOOD(or water) to process that food that HE just ate... ??? But, regardless if I understand it all or not, WE will most likely be the same if we are chosen as the elect to rule with HIM one day :P :P :P :D :D. Plus, I like your idea about our earth possibly being a 'blueprint' of possible things to come...Now you have me wondering (as the Mormons believe) that we might be given the opportunity to possibly to have our own planet to do what we can with it??? (Just dreaming here, but ya never know :D :o :o :o...)
Arc, I like what you said..."Its' not natural to loose our lives, it is Divine."
James, Praying God's will and strength for you in your trials right now.
Josh, I would fill my planet with beautiful water falls everywhere, flowers, and everyone smiling at all times. ;D
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Hi Susan,
I find it odd that Yeshua would 'eat' something...being that at that time HE was only of flesh and bone, but having NO BLOOD(or water) to process that food that HE just ate...
I have thought about that too. What I am thinking about this, Jesus could manifest in a physical form, but He was not an ordinary person. In His life on earth as a man, He gave Himself over to all the natural processes of being a human being, like eating to substain Him and the digestive process and all. But after His resurrection He is back to His glorified self, He is not held to the physical requirements of the flesh, such as the need for digesting His food.
Does that make sense, hope it helps :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
p.s. interesting to get our own planet :o who knows that God has in store.
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Hello Susan and Kat
...Susan who says that Jesus had no blood or water to process the food He ate????Where does that come from??? ;D :D
For me Christ is the master engineer of our bodies. Why would he show up with just the organs and meat and bones in the absence of a beating heart and eyes that blink because of bodily fluids such as WATER? ;D :D..I know you have a Medical insight. The body can not function in the absence of water because it is composed of over 60% of water itself!...As for blood....would the heart of Christ not be beating because the reservoir was dry?...absent of blood...??
Please, I do not mean to sound harsh or arrogant at all! I simply wish to think through what you said and this is the result....
Kat, I believe if we are going to be given planets to command and be Lord over, then we will be able to create vehicles for our souls and spirits and have the power to manifest into a body that can be visible one moment and invisible the next. Perhaps we will copy Jesus and choose to appear to our creations and be killed, murdered and humiliated by them and depend on God to raise us again?
To come back to you Susan, if we look to quantum physics and consider the nature of the molecule...we can perhaps see into this realm of possibility a little better don't you think...but for me...I just can not get my head around Christ appearing as flesh and blood in the absence of the whole design He created as a physical body. ;D ;D I could be way out of line here so please bear with my literal attachments to the joy of what Christ has engineered as our body being that vehicle that is the vehicle of the soul that hears, sees, tastes, touches and feels fully equipped with all the attributes and lacking non of the original design. :D ;D Maybe he has another model in store for us that is only flesh and bone??? You sure got me thinking! 8) ;D ...and for God...all things are possible!!! :D ;D
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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Hi Guys,
Have you ever heard the concept that we use only about 10% of our brains?? This is likely not scientifically accurate, since the brain is a complicated thing and I'm sure even today they are likely not able to measure all of the activity of the brain. But nevertheless, I do tend to think that we, in our present state, are not able to use the full capacity of our brains.
This body we have truly is a wondrous thing. We also know that there is "invisible" space or energy between every cell, that holds us together. So much mystery. But I imagine that when what is corruptible gets changed into incorruptible, our brain potential zooms up.
In the flesh, we require food to keep the flesh going. In the spiritual, perhaps we won't "need" food, but perhaps we will still be able to "enjoy" it. And perhaps then, our bodies will be able to assimilate and use every part of food so there would be no need for elimination. Because I'm wondering what happened to that fish after Jesus ate it??? (not to be wierd or anything but I just can't imagine that he needed to use the bathroom sometime after that...... :-\ ???)
Of course, there must a much greater spiritual significance to why Jesus ate the fish...anyone have any insights?
And he said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, "Have you anything here to eat?" They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate before them.
Luke 24:38-43
Peace,
Diana
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Dear friends,
Thank you for all of the helpful insights. I have a much better understanding now. I feel like I have a road map to put all of the individual pieces into.
Sincerely,
Dean
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Hey Diana, I too marvel at the complexity of our bodies, and think that we have huge potential even here in the natural....I don't have any spiritual insight into Jesus eating the fish though....maybe you could expand on that? :)
Susan, thanks for praying for me....I am going to post about what's going on when I have time....it is a surreal nightmare from which I don't ever wake up....I don't know how else to word it. Take care...J
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Well, back to Jesus eating the fish.
What was the reason Jesus ate in front of them?
Luke 24:37 But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit.
So He showed Himself to them, so they would 'see' it was Him.
Luke 24:39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."
Luke 24:41 "And while they still disbelieved..."
So they still could not believe it was really Him. So He said to them, "Have you anything here to eat?"
Luke 24:42 They gave Him a piece of broiled fish,
Luke 24:43 and He took it and ate before them.
He ate the fish to prove He was really physically there, that's why he ate it.
Now about what happen to the fish. I think there is a simple explanation. Go back to verse 36.
Luke 24:36 As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, "Peace to you!"
If you think about this, Jesus had just miraculous appeared to them. He obviously has control over physical matter, and He was the actual creator of everything. So let just say I don't think He would have trouble taking care of a little piece fish ;)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat