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https://youtu.be/zjWq0cyR4Qc (https://youtu.be/zjWq0cyR4Qc)
I'm taking it seriously. I have emergency food.
I just ordered more from: https://www.wisefoodstorage.com/ (https://www.wisefoodstorage.com/)
If this all blows over I'll just eat the food.
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And the Snake said, you eat me, I kill you all.
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Eh....Mountain House freeze dried a lot better and I've had both. LOL
I've been a prepper for years but not a survivalist. God is in charge and nothing is going to happen that he didn't preordain and that is a given. Yet he does tell his children in advance what is coming if they have 'ears to hear'. This could be bad or this could be a 'nothing burger', nobody knows. But in days past the public was a lot more prepared for disruption and hard times than they are today. If you live in tornado alley one should have a storm shelter, if one lives on the east or gulf coast one should have hurricane preps or in the midwest for severe winter weather and long duration power outages, ect. Better to have and not need than need and not have if you can.
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President Trump presents Peace in our time with p.m. Netanyahu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReBMUJEZjLE
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President Trump presents Peace in our time with p.m. Netanyahu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReBMUJEZjLE
Not a problem Bob as long as everyone does not start giving their opinions about anything to do with politics. But there could be a time for it in the future.
Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
But as my long past mother-in-law told me back in the 60's - "Every generation thinks they are living in the last times"
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Thanks Dennis,
I just thought it was very timely considering what we understand is coming someday in the near future.
It appears to some extent that this is the first time most of the parties involved are serious about working together.
No partisan politics intended. It is just news about serious world events leading toward the prophesied "end time".
An event in which those of us on the forum are very interested.
Of course we know that we have to be patiently keeping ourselves ready.
Hey it's only been about 2000 years. What's a decade more or less...? ;)
Kindly offered, Indiana Bob
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Matt.24.42 this verse has to mean, the moment you die, is the time the Lord comes. So do not be caught sleeping spiritually before that moment comes.
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I saw the reports on youtube and came here quickly to see if anyone was talking about it and sure enough here we are. I must confess, I am fearful. Mostly for my young daughter as I find myself in a bad spot as my father in law lives with us and we have nurses come to the house regularly to care for him. My wife also takes him to the doctors and the hospital regularly for tests, right into the lions den. I don't have a lot of money and would not be able to afford any sort of long term emergency kit. I guess this is a true test of faith and I seem to be failing miserably. God forgive me.
James 5:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
I pray this thing is contained soon. I ask you all to please join me in that prayer. Thank you and God Bless.
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I saw the reports on youtube and came here quickly to see if anyone was talking about it and sure enough here we are. I must confess, I am fearful. Mostly for my young daughter as I find myself in a bad spot as my father in law lives with us and we have nurses come to the house regularly to care for him. My wife also takes him to the doctors and the hospital regularly for tests, right into the lions den. I don't have a lot of money and would not be able to afford any sort of long term emergency kit. I guess this is a true test of faith and I seem to be failing miserably. God forgive me.
James 5:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
I pray this thing is contained soon. I ask you all to please join me in that prayer. Thank you and God Bless.
It could be a matter of surviving up to a month without supermarkets. You don't need to eat well. Just good enough for everyone to survive. Things like ramen noodles do not cost much.
Or this thing may just not get out of hand. We'll have to wait and see.
But this is a little unnerving. I think we'll know more about what to expect in a few weeks.
I do join you in you fervent prayers for all of us and our families.
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Psalm 91
1 Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty.
2 I will say of the Lord, “He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.”
3 Surely he will save you from the fowler’s snare and from the deadly pestilence.
4 He will cover you with his feathers, and under his wings you will find refuge; his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart.
5 You will not fear the terror of night, nor the arrow that flies by day,
6 nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness, nor the plague that destroys at midday.
7 A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you.
8 You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked.
So don't panic, we will just observe, no doubt it's a punishment from God -- Last year China planned to rewrite the Bible and Quran, forced Christians to replace Jesus pictures with images of Mao and Xi Jinping.
Rev 22
18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book,
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Rev 18
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
Rev 18 is talking about Babylon, but it's also oddly accurate for the current situation in China.
"the smoke of her burning" -- there are reports of heavy smog, according to a crematorium worker, Wuhan crematoriums are burning bodies 24/7 (https://twitter.com/inteldotwav/status/1226267582740811777?s=21)
"Standing afar off" -- Now it makes sense why the kings and traders are standing afar -- because of the virus.
"in one hour is she made desolate, great riches is come to nought" -- currently approx. 70 cities are on lockdown, even Beijing and Shanghai have turned into ghost towns.
Ray taught that the Babylon is the church and we should come out of her. I am not sure if these verses can also apply to China, it's just oddly accurate.
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Dennis:
According to a naturopathic doctor I follow on YouTube (Glidden Healthcare [Dr. Peter Glidden]), he states that Olive Leaf extract will help the immune system against these types of attacks. This product comes from the olive tree, which is mentioned in the Bible.
He pushes an expensive version, but I bought a good and cheaper version on Amazon called NusaPure Olive Leaf. I break open a capsule for my 89 year old father's breakfast and dinner to help with his immunity, and it has slightly lowered his high blood pressure as well.
I recommend the 50% Oleuropein supplement rather than the 20% version, for potency purposes.
Dean
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I'm seeing more and more voices of reason on YouTube. Here is a new one: https://youtu.be/K_qmjTJ6RLQ
(https://youtu.be/K_qmjTJ6RLQ)
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I find this channel informative on this virus.
https://youtu.be/o804wu5h_ms
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I find this channel informative on this virus.
https://youtu.be/o804wu5h_ms
Yes, I've seen that channel many times in the last few weeks.
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Rev 18:17 ????
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/05/business/shipping-coronavirus-impact/index.html
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Not sure all is what it seems..
https://youtu.be/CY-6i_tsDdM?t=1389
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Not sure all is what it seems..
https://youtu.be/CY-6i_tsDdM?t=1389
The beginning of that clip he asks why aren’t the people on the cruise ship dying.. 2 people from that cruise ship just reported to have died. Just saying.
Watched a couple minutes of that clip.. wish I could get those couple of minutes back.
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China’s east coast provinces offer chartered transport, rewards to get rural migrants back to work.
https://amp.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3051445/coronavirus-chinas-east-coast-provinces-offer-chartered
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The beginning of that clip he asks why aren’t the people on the cruise ship dying.. 2 people from that cruise ship just reported to have died. Just saying.
Watched a couple minutes of that clip.. wish I could get those couple of minutes back.
If it was as 'highly contagious' as it's being reported, it would be far more than 2..
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Problem is it takes 3 to 24 days to show symptoms and many, if not most, do not get very sick and get over it on their own thinking it's a cold. But in the meantime they spread the virus.
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According to the CDC 800,000 people died from the flu last year, and approximately 50,000 from pneumonia.
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Of the infected 2.5% that die, almost all of them die from pneumonia. I can deal with a cold or the flu but I'm going to try really hard not to get the coronavirus.
South Korea had a huge jump in one day: https://youtu.be/qviEp0Tz6uQ (https://youtu.be/qviEp0Tz6uQ)
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Two have died in Iran and a lady who visited Iran is in quarantin here in B.C. according to CBC news
None have been to China.
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I'm probably overreacting because I'll be 77 in July and this mostly kills those over 60 years old and mostly men.
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Hi Dennis,
I would just add that some TV physicians mention that people who seem of normal health when not under any stress often succumb due to a very weak immune system.
For example, due to a very poor diet of for example pasta and sugar they feel alright but are ill prepared for any bacterial or virus attack. This condition is prevalent in older folks who eat junk food on a regular basis. It looks appetizing and taste good but has little nutritional value necessary for a functioning immune response.
I think it also could apply to babies especially those nursing from a mother whose immune system is lacking.
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Maybe these disease events are fulfilling the biological norm of survival of the fittest.
Indiana Bob
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I've stayed away from sugar since before Ray died. But I have been under a lot of stress and I know it affects my health.
Maybe these disease events are fulfilling the biological norm of survival of the fittest.
It's looking more and more like the coronavirus escaped from a Chinese laboratory which would rule out survival of the fittest.
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This is a press release.
Coronavirus Patients in China to be Treated with High-Dose Vitamin C by Andrew W. Saul.
http://orthomolecular.activehosted.com/index.php?action=social&chash=42a0e188f5033bc65bf8d78622277c4e.140&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33
More info.
https://healthimpactnews.com/2020/coronavirus-patients-in-china-to-be-treated-with-high-dose-vitamin-c-in-new-clinical-trial/
I've posted about this here before. the power of vitamin C to boost the immune system. I'm almost 70 myself and have, at the advice of a good doctor managed to avoid any colds, flu and other illness for almost 30 years now. From experience, I know this simple but powerful vitamin has the ability to fight serious infections and viruses, but more importantly prevent them. My mother is 91 almost 92 and she hasn't had a cold or flu for the last five years since she's been taking C everyday. The last time she had the flu it almost killed her, and it took months for her to recover, so we have to try and prevent her from getting it.
Intravenous vitamin C is used to treat pneumonia when it's resistant to other treatments. My sister's life was saved by intravenous vitamin C when she was dying from pneumonia and nothing else was working. She had pneumonia and flu so many times I lost count, but after I started caring for her, I gave her C everyday and she never got it again, Interestingly, she got the flue and pneumonia vaccine every year, but she got sick everytime, until she stopped getting the shots. They seemed to weaken her already compromised immune system. There is a daily maintenance dose of 2000 mg that can be increased considerably when there is an outbreak of flu you might come in contact with. C is water soluble so high doses are not toxic to health, and can prevent illness.
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Agree Wanda. I keep this on hand all the time: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CD9XGC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CD9XGC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title)
And thank you for the links - Eased my mind a little
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Maybe the coronavirus is one outward example of Luke 21:11.
"And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven".
Strong's says the word "pestilences" can mean "a plague (literally, the disease)".
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I buy Bronson's Non Acidic Vitamin C Powder (Sodium Ascorbate) by the pound on Amazon. A quarter teaspoon in water gives you 1000 mg of vit C. It mixes right in and it's absolutely tasteless. For 20 bucks you get over 350 doses.
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006ZNFU6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Mike
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Agree Wanda. I keep this on hand all the time: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CD9XGC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CD9XGC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title)
And thank you for the links - Eased my mind a little
Happy to hear that Dennis. Maybe this information will add more to your ease.
Mild Mannered Coronavirus
https://drsircus.com/general/mild-mannered-coronavirus/
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I hope this isn't political.
This is more concerning than the virus IMO. Hard to wrap my head around how much we depend on China.
The Coronavirus Fallout
https://youtu.be/GLJmTnT6JiQ
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Ive been cautious to not jump on the Coronavirus fear train until there was a reason to. Italy has at least 10 cities,on lock down and that made me sit up and take notice. I'm not concerned with the virus, but rather the potential for mass hysteria, which would cause far greater damage than this virus would.
As a result of the toxic air quality in China, pneumonia was already widespread before the virus, and is now the leading indicator of coronavirus infection. It seems anyone anywhere who presents with fever or pneumonia is immediately diagnosed as coronavirus infected. In spite of the poor air quality in China the deaths related to the Corona virus are relatively low.
I'm not seeing deaths anywhere in the numbers to indicate a threat of global pandemic nor many so sick they're on deaths door. What I am seeing is a forced pandemic brought about without much logic or reasoning.
Coronavirus symptoms
Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) is characterized by mild symptoms including a runny nose, sore throat, cough, and fever. Illness can be more severe for some people and can lead to pneumonia or breathing difficulties.
More rarely, the disease can be fatal. Older people, and people with other medical conditions (such as asthma, diabetes, or heart disease), may be more vulnerable to becoming severely ill.
Is this not also true of contracting the flu? I'm seriously questioning the reasoning behind locking down cities to contain something thats no more threatening than a cold or worse case, the flu. Just saying.
So things have gone from this.
https://drsircus.com/general/mild-mannered-coronavirus/
To this in a few short days.
https://drsircus.com/general/the-world-is-running-out-of-time/
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Wanda,
I like the way you explained this comparatively mild threat and how the public reaction is as dangerous as the actual illness.
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Isn’t it strange that very few children have been infected? I have read of some, but they
got better fairly quickly, even infants. I think if children start dying, the panic will rise
considerably.
Another thing is the stigma against Chinese people.Racism is rearing it’s ugly head and this
is something that causes me concern. My 23 year old grandson is Chinese and I told my
daughter to be sure to ask him if he has any trouble with being bullied because he works
serving the public at a convenience store.
Wanda you are right , it’s the fear and panic and a lot of mixed messages that cause
a lot of damage and the media jumps on that bandwagon right quick.
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I totally agree with Wanda that this is way over hyped. The news media likes to blow things up out of proportion for viewers. If I got sick from this I would just treat it like any other virus and let it run it’s course.
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Psa 91:2 I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
Psa 91:3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
Psa 91:10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
Psa 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
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Thanks for the scriptures Dennis. We can always trust in God for truth when we're surrounded by nothing but deception.
https://drsircus.com/general/untrustworthy-coronavirus-tests-and-statistics/
Untrustworthy Coronavirus Tests and Statistics
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last post on this thread was March 3rd. A lot has changed in everyday life norms over the last 10 days..
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Vitamin D: https://youtu.be/W5yVGmfivAk (https://youtu.be/W5yVGmfivAk)
Fast-forward two minutes in where this video starts to talk about Vitamin D: https://youtu.be/gmqgGwT6bw0 (https://youtu.be/gmqgGwT6bw0)
Fast-forward to 1:30 for Zinc: https://youtu.be/U7F1cnWup9M (https://youtu.be/U7F1cnWup9M)
These are not Internet goofballs. They are real scientist and I’ve seen one of them on two different TV networks.
Others say Vitamin C also helps.
The more you're under 60 years old the less likely the Coronavirus will kill you. The above links could lessen that chance.
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Thank you for the info, I was able to pickup vitamin C and D yesterday..
Hope everyone is doing ok and ready to ride it out the storm in their Ark..
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/with the virus slowing the economy, gas prices are down to $1.50 per gallon in Indiana.
So the wife and I, who are bored with TV and cold weather, are taking a car tour around the city to watch the people panic and complain while they load up with Toilet paper and excess food they may never eat.
Is this just "the calm before the real storm?"
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Here's an unpopular opinion: Covid-19 is a hoax intended to spread fear and panic. No I can't prove that anymore than the powers that be can prove that it is real. Not saying don't be prepared, just saying when you see the world and it's governments acting irrationally, remember who the bible says is the god of this age.
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Seems if the elderly and those in poor health are the only ones really at much risk. Maybe just those folks should stay home if they feel the need. Every time a virus comes down the road there is not enough money to keep passing out to shut down the country. We accept tens of thousands of flu deaths per year.
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People now look at government as their god. Every time something bad happens they expect the government to come in and fix it. Government is all too willing to keep everyone dependent on them.
So much simpler to go to God in prayer and then trust in His intentions and will.
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One of my favorite hymns:
Lyrics: Katharina Amalia Dorothea von Schlegel
Music: Jean Sibelius
Be still my soul the Lord is on thy side
Bear patiently the cross of grief or pain
Leave to thy God to order and provide
In every change He faithful will remain
Be still my soul thy best, thy heavenly friend
Through thorny ways leads to a joyful end
Be still my soul when dearest friends depart
And all is darkened in the vale of tears
Then shalt thou better know His love His heart
Who comes to soothe thy sorrow and thy fears
Be still my soul the waves and winds shall know
His voice who ruled them while He dwelt below
Be still my soul the hour is hastening on
When we shall be forever with the Lord
When disappointment grief and fear are gone
Sorrow forgot love's purest joys restored
Be still my soul when change and tears are past
All safe and blessed we shall meet at last
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRoiT53Wrrs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRoiT53Wrrs)
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That’s so beautiful Jessie,😢 Thank you and May God be with us all 💕
In Christ
Pamela
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Thanks Jesse that is beautiful and uplifting.
I remembered the toilet paper shortage in 1973 and found this article. Shows how easily people can be influenced to irrational behavior.
https://priceonomics.com/the-great-toilet-paper-scare-of-1973/
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And on a positive note. I saw this in a press briefing this am. Yahoo more money for TP!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/future-perfect/2020/3/17/21183627/trump-steve-mnuchin-checks-to-americans-cash
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On the same subject. A short ABC news clip. Looks like we're getting money in April, and again later if needed.
https://youtu.be/2lthF5veeJw
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I need some more prayer ! My daughters husband works with a man who was exposed to covid 19 by another employee who died with Covid with no symptoms . They are in the Seattle area . This is very concerning . Oh please God take this away from my family . Take this away from so many other families !
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One possibility is this thing gets really bad but by July or August it appears to be ending and the world breaths a sigh of relief and says "Peace & safety. 1 Thess 5:3
“I, the LORD, will punish the world for its evil
and the wicked for their sin.
I will crush the arrogance of the proud
and humble the pride of the mighty. Is. 13:11
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I need some more prayer ! My daughters husband works with a man who was exposed to covid 19 by another employee who died with Covid with no symptoms . They are in the Seattle area . This is very concerning . Oh please God take this away from my family . Take this away from so many other families !
It all depends on a persons age (for the most part). Very young people are getting it and have no idea they are carriers because they can have no symptoms.
You get a little older and you have symptoms from mild to uncomfortable. The older you get the more you have to be careful. People over 60 need to be the most careful.
Statistically your daughters husband is not going to die from it even if he gets sick assuming he's under 60. But even if he's in his 60's he has only an 8% chance of dying from it.
But you may need to stay away from your daughter and everyone else for awhile (depending on your age).
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I have a cold , at least I think it’s a cold. Time will tell so in the meantime I am staying put
in my house.
Our borders were closed with the USA this morning and people are freaking out, understandably so.
People will panic and be very angry if the government doesn’t come through with financial
assistance.
Everything is changing quickly .
Gal.6:9—and let us not be weary in well doing for in due season WE SHALL REAP
if we faint not( do not lose heart).
The grace of Our Lord Jesus be with us brothers and sisters.
In Christ. Pamela
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We’ve been under shelter-in-place orders since Monday over here. And in news articles the governor keeps reminding us that he has the authority to implement martial law across the whole state.. most people have been sent home from their jobs for at least the next 3 weeks and we’re being told that our schools are most likely going to remain shut down for the rest of this school year..
I can’t recall anything like this happening ever. Can you guys? Has anything like this ever happened that had such a impact on the whole world? World War 2 is the last historical event that I can think of where it affected such a large part of the world and changed everyone’s lives so drastically..
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/with the virus slowing the economy, gas prices are down to $1.50 per gallon in Indiana.
So the wife and I, who are bored with TV and cold weather, are taking a car tour around the city to watch the people panic and complain while they load up with Toilet paper and excess food they may never eat.
Is this just "the calm before the real storm?"
Yes
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Just saw on Tucker Carlson Stanford University School of Medicine reporting 100% cure using hydroxychloroquine . Sounds questionable but the sources are reliable. The guy being interviewed by Tucker is Gregory Rigano, he seemed pretty excited about it. We'll see.
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Hi folks,
Regarding taking various drugs.
There are often risks with any drug, especially without clinical oversight.
One option that has helped me in the past was partial fasting with the intent of developing a fresh gut biology.
The organisms in the gut may support the immune system in many ways and fasting from all the bad foods that you like, and which do not ordinarily cause any trouble, can aid the effectiveness of your immune system.
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In my own case, lots of plain fluids, tea, warm water, lemon for flavor and absolutely no sugar or carbs that mutate into sugar in the gut. No flour in any form (if you can live without it) no cake or pie or toast and jelly for breakfast etc.
The first meal of the day after no eating since last evening should be a simple raw or cooked fruit or vegetable in small quantities to start the gut flora back on a healthy growth program. It may take several days to reestablish a healthy gut flora. Also the longer you stay away from sugar the easier it gets. Sugar is poison to people who do not burn energy.
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It is not easy to break a bad habit, but fasting is quite natural for most people if they will determine to do it.
So yes you will be hungry and maybe cursing the need for a fresh start after pampering your taste bud for years.
However, there is almost no risk of any side effects other than being hungry and needing some activity to take your mind off of the discomfort. Return to a healthy full diet after a few days, but avoid sugar. Your body can make all it needs.
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So...who do you love the most? Your better health or your selfish taste buds. :)
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I just heard a gentleman on Glenn Beck state that the drug Hydroxychloroquine, a 50 year old generic malaria drug which is still on the market for that and several other diseases has so far gotten a 100% 6 day cure rate in the limited number (40) of people it has been used on. The president has been informed.
Mike
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I just heard a gentleman on Glenn Beck state that the drug Hydroxychloroquine, a 50 year old generic malaria drug which is still on the market for that and several other diseases has so far gotten a 100% 6 day cure rate in the limited number (40) of people it has been used on. The president has been informed.
Mike
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/hydroxychloroquine-malaria-drug-coronavirus-fda-1493293%3famp=1
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Need a mental/spiritual break about now? click below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmGiu9JfbIs
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/with the virus slowing the economy, gas prices are down to $1.50 per gallon in Indiana.
So the wife and I, who are bored with TV and cold weather, are taking a car tour around the city to watch the people panic and complain while they load up with Toilet paper and excess food they may never eat.
Is this just "the calm before the real storm?"
Yes
“Is this just the calm before the real storm?”
“Yes”
What will be the storm though.. Is the real storm going to be the actual virus (killing a relatively low number of people so far)? Or will it be the peoples response to the virus (California now under quarantine along with entire countries overseas)?
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Still going to take a month or more to get somewhat back to normal. We may have dodged a bullet, at least more than Italy. Just continue to lay low until it's over.
3 International Studies Find Chloroquine with Azithromycin Shows 100% Success Rate in Treating Coronavirus in 6 Days!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/huge-development-now-3-international-studies-find-chloroquine-with-azithromycin-shows-100-success-rate-in-treating-coronavirus-in-6-days-video/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/huge-development-now-3-international-studies-find-chloroquine-with-azithromycin-shows-100-success-rate-in-treating-coronavirus-in-6-days-video/)
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Maybe?
Isa 24:10 The city of confusion is broken down: every house is shut up, that no man may come in.
Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
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I'm not so sure we'll be back to normal any time soon Dennis if this crashes the economy with everything shutting down. Hope I'm wrong about that. If you mean no more sick people type of normal, I hope you're right. A vaccine could be a year away. The malaria drugs need a lot more testing if I understand it right. None the less, it's hope.
I may have said I thought this was all a hoax, but I'm not so sure now. I probably let my mistrust of the media cloud my judgment. However, my statement that Satan is god of this age still stands. No doubt, God knew what He was doing when He gave Satan that temporary power.
Stay safe everyone, peace.
Still going to take a month or more to get somewhat back to normal. We may have dodged a bullet, at least more than Italy. Just continue to lay low until it's over.
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Pray to God to provide those in power with some wisdom on how to deal with this.
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I'm not so sure we'll be back to normal any time soon Dennis if this crashes the economy with everything shutting down. Hope I'm wrong about that. If you mean no more sick people type of normal, I hope you're right. A vaccine could be a year away. The malaria drugs need a lot more testing if I understand it right. None the less, it's hope.
I may have said I thought this was all a hoax, but I'm not so sure now. I probably let my mistrust of the media cloud my judgment. However, my statement that Satan is god of this age still stands. No doubt, God knew what He was doing when He gave Satan that temporary power.
Stay safe everyone, peace.
I hear ya.. I don't believe a word the media/government says. I would definitely say NO to any vaccines also.
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Who in the forum is from Italy?
I know the Serial A games have been stopped,but is it that bad?
My people in Europe?
Meanwhile in South Africa,winter is around the corner.
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Here’s something Ray said in the towers paper,
If America doesn't return to God and repent of her national and individual sins, America is going down, and nothing is going to stop it. Nero fiddled while Rome burned, and our great seers fiddle their messages of "deceit and SMOOTH things," while America is ready to go down in flames. 'Me thinks' Washington will also fiddle while America burns.
Is what we are experiencing a continuation of the same judgment from 9/11?
After 9/11 America responded with 19 years of continuous war.. now it seems the wars are winding down and now something else is ramping up.. first sword, now pestilence?
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Hi folks,
No partisan politics intended. Doesn't matter who the politicians are.
Here is what can happen if the US becomes the victim of plagues and internal strife.
If the U. S., the big dog in international military defense becomes sick enough to be ineffective at home and retires its "police force" to its own shores leaving the rest of the nations to debate over commerce of all types, food, oil, shipping etc. then the debate will center around the Mediterranean Sea and between nations that have been at odds for centuries with no dependable peace.
I'm no body special, but that is where I see things going if the U.S. abandons its allies around the world.
Bob
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Ray was/is right, though I think we will see more recoveries and crashes before the real hammer drops.
There is never a national call, and subsequent response, for even the outward repentance of corruption and perversion.
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Wow.
This virus is some serious stuff.US is hardest hit according to reports.What more 3rd world countries,unless God intervenes.
So Bill Gates spoke about this pandemic.Did God warn the world through Mr.Gates?
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Wow.
This virus is some serious stuff.US is hardest hit according to reports.What more 3rd world countries,unless God intervenes.
So Bill Gates spoke about this pandemic.Did God warn the world through Mr.Gates?
Are you referring to Event 201 ?
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Never heard of event 201.
On South African news they played a clip of Mr.Gates giving a talk on TEDx back in 2015.
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Ray was/is right, though I think we will see more recoveries and crashes before the real hammer drops.
There is never a national call, and subsequent response, for even the outward repentance of corruption and perversion.
What I'm putting below is not meant to be political, but factual in the context of the subject and the above quote.
On March 13, President Trump called for a day of prayer on Sunday the 15th. I could be wrong, but I don't think it got much press or consideration. I do know there were those who took it seriously, mostly people who have been praying daily anyway.
And then there's Mike Lindell. He retooled the majority of his business to produce 50,000 masks a day. He stated on the White House lawn: "God gave us grace on November 8, 2016, to change the course we were on. God had been taken out of schools and lives. A nation had turned its back on God. I encourage you to use this time at home to get back in the Word, read our Bibles and spend time with our families."
"With our great president, vice president and this administration and all the great people in this country praying daily, we will get through this and get back to a place that's stronger and safer than ever."
The majority (but not all) of the press and other attention he received was negative, concentrating on a critical put-down of his reference to God and little notice of his efforts to help.
Mike
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Nothing wrong with a National Day of Prayer! But even Mr. T says he has no problem with homosexuality. It would be nice to see something like this:
"Lord, as a nation we have sinned greatly against you, and you alone. Bless us with the desire to change and repent of our wicked ways... In Jesus' Name, Amen."
Ultimately, I see the clock ticking down to Jesus' return; this pandemic and the financial shockwaves being all under God's sovereignty, so there's OUR hope.
Praise the Lord. Tick/tock.
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The last two posts are getting too political. No more please.
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Hi folks,
It may be difficult to deal with, but shouldn't we be praying that what God is bringing upon us will have the effect of bringing us to our knees in humble acknowledgement of our own faults rather than praying only for relief from the correction?
It may be better to pray that the correction will expose our hidden sins and allow us to face them and put our full trust in the will of God and not in our own desires that life continue as before.
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Hebews 12:11
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye ********, and not sons. 9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
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I agree Ibob
Our Father , who art in heaven
Hallowed be Thy name
Thy Kingdom come
THY WILL BE DONE
On earth as it is in heaven.
In Jesus name, Amen
In Christ 💕
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From everything i've researched, this 'virus' is one worldwide Hoax to bring in a One World Government..
Viruses CAN NOT be spread airborne (so much for social distancing..), and can only be contracted via injection (ie. through vaccines)
Despite what the media says, independent journalists all over have shown that hospitals are EMPTY.
CDC gave an order for death records to purposely be falsified.. If someone died from underlying causes, whether it's heart attack, cancer, etc they are to be labelled as 'Death due to Coronavirus'
I do believe SOME of the mass deaths associated with this are due to weaponized 5g in some areas.. and will likely be 'turned on' as more people start to wake up to this global lie.. this 'Great Deception' that has fooled the masses/sheep.
Pray for discernment brothers/sisters. I believe hard times are ahead.
-Shawn
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*maybe later*
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All kinds of discussions on the Internet with very little absolute proof other than the usual greed and corruption.
My biggest problem with the 'hoax' theories are all the crematories and funeral homes unable to keep up with the body count at times in various countries around the world. Never happened before. Even NYC is using refrigerated truck trailers to store bodies.
The number of dead is not that unusual, but it's the compressed speed it's occurring that shows me that something is very different. The chance that there are thousands of people around the world in on a massive hoax is zero.
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Conspiracy theories are interesting--they can even be fun--but their implausibility is not the main reason I don't embrace them. The ultimate reason I don't care--even if they are true--is I believe in a sovereign God.
God has declared the end from the beginning (Isa. 46:10)...whether the virus came from "natural" causes or was manufactured in a North Carolina lab and sold to China.
God works all things together for good (Rom. 8:28)...whether the media lies to us or not.
God has decided the length of our lives and knows exactly how many months we will live (Job 14:5)...whether we die by heart attack falsely reported, or by a real coronavirus.
God works all things according to the counsel of His will (Eph. 1:11)...whether 5g is off or on.
The kingdoms of this world have become those of our Lord and of His Christ (Rev. 11:15)...whether it is a "One World Kingdom" or 200 separate kingdoms.
Why would I care if the media lies to me? I go to the Word of God for truth, not to newspapers. If they are lying, God will judge them accordingly; but I'm not going to stand on a street corner with a protest sign. We, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells (2 Pet. 3:13). That is more exciting to me than trying to correct our present government or expose the media.
As Dave said, "Ignorance, pride, and fear-mongering." I think pride is the most appealing part of a conspiracy theory. What a great feeling to know the truth while everyone else is ignorant! It is the same attitude harbored by so many of Ray's readers, whom he reprimanded for seeking truth only so they could show up their pastors.
Is that why you believe this, Shawn? What good does it do, or what difference does it make, if your theory is actually true? I ask sincerely. What is the next "step"? Is it to tell all your neighbors so they can be enlightened? Here is some better news to tell them: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people's sins against them (2 Cor. 5:19). If you feel victimized and angry because of the media, try living in the slums of Mumbai for a few weeks. You'll soon be pining for merry old Georgia, corrupt newspapers and all.
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Despite what the media says, independent journalists all over have shown that hospitals are EMPTY.
My wife works at the local hospital. COVID-19 is no hoax. Yes. the patient population is reduced (NOT EMPTY), but that is because there is a concerted effort to keep as many out as possible during this pandemic. For example, no elective surgery. Emergencies only.
Mike
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From everything i've researched, this 'virus' is one worldwide Hoax to bring in a One World Government..
By "research" you mean perusing the same conspiracy-theory sources you've claimed you want to get away from.
Viruses CAN NOT be spread airborne (so much for social distancing..), and can only be contracted via injection (ie. through vaccines)
Completely untrue. The various strains of influenza, and the group of "common cold" rhinoviruses are airborne.
Despite what the media says, independent journalists all over have shown that hospitals are EMPTY.
Meaningless, even if anecdotally accurate. Where are these "empty" hospitals? They are not in NYC, New Orleans, and various other population centers around the world.
CDC gave an order for death records to purposely be falsified.. If someone died from underlying causes, whether it's heart attack, cancer, etc they are to be labelled as 'Death due to Coronavirus'
The CDC is a government entity. If it gave such an order, it would be a matter of public record. If it was some sort of "private" order, how did your "sources" obtain it? Either way, provide some documentation for said order. My gut tells me some self-aggrandizing individual who thinks he knows more than he does misunderstood what he read. and spouted off. That's the "good" alternative.
I do believe SOME of the mass deaths associated with this are due to weaponized 5g in some areas.. and will likely be 'turned on' as more people start to wake up to this global lie.. this 'Great Deception' that has fooled the masses/sheep.
You can believe what you want. I suppose if somebody has to believe it, it's better you than me. If it is going to be posted here, however, expect blowback. "Posts in this forum do not necessarily reflect the view of L. Ray Smith or the BT forum."
By the way, there is nothing scripturally which should embolden any of us to insult sheep.
Pray for discernment brothers/sisters. I believe hard times are ahead.
-Shawn
You pray too. I believe you need it worse than I do. But I could be wrong. I'm going to hang onto this post until the truth becomes more evident. Not that that will do everybody any good.
I don't want to play whack-a-mole with this or any other such posts. I don't want the BT forum to become Conspiracy-theory Central. MOSTLY, I just want the readers of this forum to understand that not all of "us" are prone to think the same way. *And I see as I was typing that evidence of that has appeared*.
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I watch just in case:
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
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USA only not worldwide numbers
CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza
The overall burden of influenza for the 2017-2018 season was an estimated 45 million influenza illnesses, 21 million influenza-associated medical visits, 810,000 influenza-related hospitalizations, and 61,000 influenza-associated deaths
The overall burden of influenza for the 2014-2015 season was an estimated 30 million influenza illnesses, 14 million influenza-associated medical visits, 591,000 influenza-related hospitalizations, and 51,000 flu-associated deaths
I never even knew these flu numbers (no panic no news reports in past years) were so big much less seeing the entire economy shut down. I stopped getting flu shots in 1990's now I hear it will be mandatory to work or travel and you will need a digital mark before you go out to buy or sell. Hmm?
As of this post Covid-19 deaths worldwide stands at 87,984 US 14,529
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From everything i've researched, this 'virus' is one worldwide Hoax to bring in a One World Government..
Initially I thought it might be a hoax too, but now I just think it's being over blown. I will be surprised if this turns out as bad as they say. The bigger "problem" is the economy crashing due to the mass quarantines.
CDC gave an order for death records to purposely be falsified.. If someone died from underlying causes, whether it's heart attack, cancer, etc they are to be labelled as 'Death due to Coronavirus'
Is this what you're referring to? https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf)
Interesting wording the part in bold, or maybe I misunderstand. Is this just a quirky medical way to say they know with absolute certainty that covid-19 killed them? I assume when doctors assume they know what they are assuming based on their expertise.
Anyhow, the wife is making masks now, God help me. No matter how bad this corona virus is, it cannot compare to the bad things people do to each other.
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Hi folks,
Considering how things were handled in the U. S. and Europe and how easily the citizens complied with "orders" to shelter at home and shut down businesses, this could also be leading up to enforcing martial law in the more developed Nations, at the will of the politicians in charge of each nation and "nationalizing" businesses. It would be like leading the sheep to slaughter.
Comment please, I-Bob
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Hi folks,
Considering how things were handled in the U. S. and Europe and how easily the citizens complied with "orders" to shelter at home and shut down businesses, this could also be leading up to enforcing martial law in the more developed Nations, at the will of the politicians in charge of each nation and "nationalizing" businesses. It would be like leading the sheep to slaughter.
Comment please, I-Bob
hI-Bob,
Comment:
The decision is announced by messengers, the holy ones declare the verdict, so that the living may know that the Most High is sovereign over all kingdoms on earth and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets over them the lowliest of people. Daniel 4:17
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God. Romans 13:1
By My great power and outstretched arm, I made the earth and the men and beasts on the face of it, and I give it to whom I please. Jeremiah 27:5
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As Jesse said, we must submit to the governing authorities.
The exception would be if any decrees come down that are anti-God, anti-Christ, or anti-biblical.
28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. (Acts 5:28-30)
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AwesomeSavior,
As new covenant believers under grace how are we today to handle the O. T. command to teach?
Teaching written law brought trouble from authorities to the 12 apostles and yet they obeyed what they understood.
We today are to study and practice what we believe and to be ready to give an answer to any who "ask" of us.
Considering that we are not under the "law" but grace, how should be dealing with sharing what we have been given?
Indiana Bob
As Jesse said, we must submit to the governing authorities.
The exception would be if any decrees come down that are anti-God, anti-Christ, or anti-biblical.
28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. (Acts 5:28-30)
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Bob:
I would answer that it all depends on God's will for each one of us. God had Ray start Bible Truths, which reaches out to the whole world through the internet. He has not given me that burden, but I have shared Scriptural truths with my own family. The vast majority of mankind will not learn spiritual truth until their Lake of Fire experience.
As the Lord leads each one of us...
Dean
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Bob,
I have a feeling you already know this, as your comment about being under grace says it all. As long as one can fulfill the law THROUGH love, obeying the laws of government should be a piece of cake. The laws of man aint got nothing on the spiritual law of Christ, as it is a much higher standard given under grace.
Rom 13:8 Do not owe anyone anything, except to love one another, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 The commandments: You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not covet, and if there is any other commandment--all are summed up by this: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor. Love, therefore, is the fulfillment of the law.
I think one of the ways God "frames evil" and or controls it, is through government laws or those that enforce it. Imagine if we didn't have police.
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Thanks Porter,
Ref police, yes we need them.
I served several years in the 1960's at a time when citizens still had a semblance of respect for authority.
Not my authority, but that of the "law" that was in place to guide us all.
As I understand it people without the spirit of God will always need to be under law of some description. Either God's law or a set of laws of their own making and with enforcement/persuasion.
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In the old days, when I arrested a teen driver with alcohol in their possession and was able to do so, I parked their vehicle and took them home to Dad or Mom and found the parents very appreciative to be able to avoid a court date and the expense of a tow truck to impound the vehicle.
It's just a little harder to find that type of cooperation from busy parents today.
They seem to make themselves adversaries to community rules and mores!
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Are ventilators killing Covid patients? This appears to be hemagloben related and not pneumonia related.
https://youtu.be/C4oBPmUZ5KU
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I think Jesse is spot on I have no fear now,Im 67 I've been at home 7 weeks now God knows my time I can't change that. So yesterday I got my grand daughter and kept her over night . Here in Va. I know of no one who has had covid 19 no one I know knows any one who that has had it i'm going to live what life I have in Jesus I fear nothing
Terry
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This came to me after my post I believe these words to be true
The Lord Is My Shepherd
Psa 23:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
Psa 23:2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
Psa 23:3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
Psa 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Psa 23:5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
Psa 23:6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
Terry
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You are correct Terry in your assessment.
This whole thing of closing down has been unnecessary and foolhardy.
It has caused more harm than good...BUT
I do believe that it has taught those who will listen and pay attention...a hard lesson.
Any government that operates out of unreasoning fear and thereby subjects its people to harm is failing their responsibility.
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Plus there really is no one to blame. No President or city official etc. because they are operating out of ignorance and not aware of the spiritual forces that humanity has to deal with.
On the other hand we should be aware and able to place all of our cares in the Lord's capable hands.
Bob
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Psalm 23
https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2020/05/02/video-toddler-reciting-psalm-23-goes-viral/