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Title: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: Dennis Vogel on September 12, 2015, 01:57:17 PM
Our YouTube channel is slowly gaining momentum and I think it will play an important part in driving traffic to bible-truths.com as time goes by.

I'm thinking about having one of Ray's papers professionally narrated for posting on YouTube as an experiment.

I like the "God Judges the World in a Pond" article.

Most of the parenthetical text will need to be removed and other editing needs to be done to make it more suitable for narration.

But which article would you like to see narrated and posted on YouTube?
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: Dave in Tenn on September 12, 2015, 02:16:41 PM
I think that's a good choice, both for its content and its length (practicality). 

Another one to consider would be http://bible-truths.com/death.htm (An Encouraging Thought About Death).  I like that one a lot as a stand-alone, but it's not as 'good' an introduction to the rest of the materials.

Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: Dennis Vogel on September 12, 2015, 02:22:34 PM
I like the death article too Dave. And it may be better as a trial because it is much shorter.

I just got a quote from a professional narration service for $795.00 for the Pond article which I think is reasonable if it's top notch.

Anyone else, other article ideas?

BTW, I'd like to have quality similar to https://youtu.be/oIM4TSx6Ejg (https://youtu.be/oIM4TSx6Ejg)
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: Rene on September 12, 2015, 02:41:08 PM
I think this is a wonderful idea.  I also agree that the paper "An Encouraging Thought About Death" would be a good one to start with. :)

René
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: Kat on September 12, 2015, 04:08:59 PM

Hi Dennis, interesting idea. That might bring in some people that would not otherwise read a article, as it would be easier for somebody to listen to an article, than to read it. It would be a attention grabber and of course Ray explains that so well and thorough.

We know that one of the biggest and the most abominable heresies of the church is the teaching of a literal hell, and if people only listened to 1 article it would be that eternal hell is a hoax. And another thing is that might draw them into finding out more, whether to learn more about it or to disprove it.

So I think it would be good to have an article that would be a good lead in to the other articles, maybe the first 'hell' series 16. A.  Hell: Sheol Translated Grave.

Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: lilitalienboi16 on September 12, 2015, 04:39:27 PM
All of them are worth doing, haha.

Free will is a huge stumbling block to many also so that would eventually be worth giving a shot but i think its best to start with something small.

Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: cheekie3 on September 13, 2015, 08:08:59 AM
Dennis -

What about 'Praying by God's Rules'.

It is short and may be a good place to start.

George.
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: cheekie3 on September 13, 2015, 08:14:45 AM
Dennis -

I believe the best would be on 'Free Will' as I believe it is the heart of the matter concerning each and everyone of us.

George.
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: gk@rivervalley on September 13, 2015, 10:27:00 AM
Agree with Dave.  "Death".  Un-complicated, straight-forward.  The 'un-certainty' of what happens after death,
......and everyone thinks on death at some point....is answered with scriptural certainty.  The exhausting wonderment
about eternal torment is demolished.
 
It's a paved road with lights and a turn-on toward reading further of Ray's materials.

Unfortunately it's a natural 'prick' in the side of those who choose to celebrate church tradition and will no-doubt invite
criticism's end-less......(which is a good thing)>>>>If a writing doesn't make one 'think' then words are wasted.
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: Dennis Vogel on September 13, 2015, 01:05:24 PM
The more I think about it I think we should do a few small files first to see how it goes. 'Praying by God's Rules' is another good one until we get to the free will stuff. BTW, there is a video on free will already on our YouTube channel.

And if we are not happy with a small file then we have not spent much money and can have it redone.

I talked to a friend here in Mobile who owns an ad agency and he gave me someone to consider as a narrator.

A potential problem may be the content and whoever narrates is a traditional Christian. Especially here in the deep South. We'll see.



Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: Craig on September 13, 2015, 01:33:22 PM
You have several members and technology is so good now days, why not auditiom some members to narrate some and listen to them first?

Craig
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: Dennis Vogel on September 13, 2015, 01:35:20 PM
You have several members and technology is so good now days, why not auditiom some members to narrate some and listen to them first?

Craig

Any volunteers?
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: zvezda on September 13, 2015, 01:45:00 PM
have you tried any text-to-speech software?
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: Dennis Vogel on September 13, 2015, 02:55:36 PM
have you tried any text-to-speech software?

We need a real person to add emotion, timing, etc. like: https://youtu.be/oIM4TSx6Ejg (https://youtu.be/oIM4TSx6Ejg)
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: Dave in Tenn on September 13, 2015, 04:22:56 PM
I suppose James Earl Jones and Morgan Freeman are out of budget.   ;D 

But maybe we do have somebody here already.  Just not me.   ;D
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: indianabob on September 14, 2015, 02:02:11 AM
Great idea Dennis,
Great suggestions from the  volunteer staff.  :D
I'm looking forward to the experience.

Keep up the good work one and all.

Indiana Bob
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: dave on September 14, 2015, 01:24:47 PM
Which ever is picked would be great. Hard decisions and a great idea.
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: Dennis Vogel on September 15, 2015, 12:49:55 PM
At least one potential narrator said:

"I do not deliver religious or political voiceover in 1st person, as that is what we generally refer to as "implied endorsement".  Would it be possible to re-write the text to eliminate the 1st person context?"

I don't think I want to re-write the 1st person.
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: Dave in Tenn on September 15, 2015, 01:40:09 PM
What if you added a disclaimer to the beginning?  something that says he is reading the words of L Ray Smith. 
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: Dennis Vogel on September 15, 2015, 06:58:21 PM
What if you added a disclaimer to the beginning?  something that says he is reading the words of L Ray Smith.

I was going to do that anyways
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: Dave in Tenn on September 15, 2015, 07:05:50 PM
hmmm.  I thought that's what 'acting' was, including voice-acting.

Never mind.  I see that "HE" doesn't do that...same as an actor that won't take a certain role.
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: microlink on September 15, 2015, 07:27:08 PM
Hi all,

I have found that the canned (synthetic) voice is not a good idea. Eventually turns people off.
Yes a real human voice with a degree of emotion is recommended. Can this be done via Skype of a similar voice transfer program with out losing quality and range of voice variation to satisfy listeners?
Joe
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: Kat on September 15, 2015, 09:09:12 PM

Dennis, I think you should make an announcement where you explain you are seeking any who consider themselves good readers to come forward and pm you. You can make arrangements for them to contact you, so there could be a reading for you to evaluate.

Surely there are people here that would be willing to make this effect, as this is a way to directly serve in this work. I know how hard it is to come forward, as I thought of myself as the last person able to transcribe Ray's Bible studies... but it is God's work and we are privileged to participate. Maybe there are a few that would at least try for it. 
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: Jeff on September 15, 2015, 11:20:56 PM
At least one potential narrator said:

"I do not deliver religious or political voiceover in 1st person, as that is what we generally refer to as "implied endorsement".  Would it be possible to re-write the text to eliminate the 1st person context?"

I don't think I want to re-write the 1st person.

It doesn't seem right to change anything.  We learned by reading exactly what we read.  Ray's papers aren't bringing people to know God - God is bringing people to read what He gave Ray. 

Please forgive me if this is offensive, but it seems like this is advertising.  It has a feel of the world to me.  Honestly, I mean this from my heart - Ray wrote what God told him to write - and Ray wrote it as according to his nature.  God chose Ray, not the other way around.

It may be that God wants Ray's papers out there, but to change anything seems as though we're trying to improve on what was given.  If you choose someone to read Ray's papers, God's revelation to Ray, then God will help you find the right person.

If I'm wrong, if I don't understand, if my heart is in the wrong place, If I'm out of line, if I'm looking at this carnally, then please, in advance - forgive me.
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: Dennis Vogel on September 16, 2015, 12:17:29 AM
At least one potential narrator said:

"I do not deliver religious or political voiceover in 1st person, as that is what we generally refer to as "implied endorsement".  Would it be possible to re-write the text to eliminate the 1st person context?"

I don't think I want to re-write the 1st person.

It doesn't seem right to change anything.  We learned by reading exactly what we read.  Ray's papers aren't bringing people to know God - God is bringing people to read what He gave Ray. 

Please forgive me if this is offensive, but it seems like this is advertising.  It has a feel of the world to me.  Honestly, I mean this from my heart - Ray wrote what God told him to write - and Ray wrote it as according to his nature.  God chose Ray, not the other way around.

It may be that God wants Ray's papers out there, but to change anything seems as though we're trying to improve on what was given.  If you choose someone to read Ray's papers, God's revelation to Ray, then God will help you find the right person.

If I'm wrong, if I don't understand, if my heart is in the wrong place, If I'm out of line, if I'm looking at this carnally, then please, in advance - forgive me.

The changes would be minor and I made many small changes to all of Ray's papers before posting them on the Internet. Mostly removing commas and deleting the word 'that'.

The idea is to get the Word out. But I know what you mean. I need to be very careful.
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: Dave in Tenn on September 16, 2015, 12:54:10 AM
I looked up "implied endorsement".

Seems it mostly refers to 'celebrities' that people might want to attach to their products.  With actors, basically in commercials, there may be a written disclaimer saying the presence of the 'narrator' or 'actor' does not imply their endorsement.  Not being a lawyer, that's the best I could get out of it.

But I think your guy (unless he IS famous), without his face in the audio (anonymously) just doesn't want to do it...not that it is unethical or legally dangerous.

Don't mean to harp--just help.  Are you looking at "professional narrators?  Or Voice actors?  Did you show this guy a sample of what he might say at the beginning/end of the reading that might indemnify him?

Something like:  These are the words of L Ray Smith from an article written for the Bible-Truths.com website. at the beginning, and "These were the words..." at the end.

I looked again at the 'death' paper (just for reference).  I think it would be POSSIBLE to change to 3rd person without losing the content.  Of course, that's without actually trying to do it.  I do think it would lose some of the 'personality'.   
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: narroway on October 02, 2015, 01:27:32 AM
Love it love it love it.  I love the way the Lord is using you all at Bible Truths.com. I will be in prayer regarding this endeavor. Praise the Lord family
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: octoberose on October 03, 2015, 01:04:16 PM
I would love to do it, but I don't think my voice is strong enough- it tends to be softer than I mean to be- and of course I am female and think you probably should lean to a male voice since Ray was male.
  I think it's interesting to note that God uses where we are and the age we live in to teach and further His will. No more scrolls, no more monks translating in monasteries. They use to build cathedrals with the story in the glass and the statues all around to teach because the masses were illiterate . The Bible was not accessible to the common man for hundreds and hundreds of years. And now look at it? I googled something about tithing and up comes an article by Ray, which I read and then started on bible truths and that changed my life!  God gave us this to use and spread His word and this Is His plan and I am sure of that. I think of all the evil that comes out of the internet, but God means this for good and Good will come.  :)
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: sansmile on October 03, 2015, 06:01:54 PM
I have been told i have a lovely Northern Irish twang, I love reading out loud but should it be a man that narrates??
Sandie x
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: Dennis Vogel on October 04, 2015, 09:25:35 AM
I haven't worked in about seven months but now have enough work to keep me busy for at least three months.

So I don't have time right now to work on this project.

It probably should be a man Sandie  ;)  Thanks anyways.
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: Rhys 🕊 on October 04, 2015, 12:22:58 PM
Mine is too kiwi...........I think no one would understand..............not sure even I would  ;)

Rhys
Title: Re: Narrating some of Rays papers
Post by: daywalker on October 06, 2015, 08:26:48 PM
I suppose James Earl Jones and Morgan Freeman are out of budget.   ;D 

But maybe we do have somebody here already.  Just not me.   ;D


If only Samuel L. Jackson was a BT member. I'd nominate him for sure.

daywalker