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Thank you Pamela and Porter for your responses.  I see how in the new testament how Jesus paid the price for us, but I still don't quite get it in the old testament as we hadn't been redeemed yet IMHO; or does it have to do with the Israelites being led out of Egypt?

Will have to pnder this a bit more.

In God's love, Diane

Diane, here are a few different translations with which to compare.

Deu 32:6  Do you thus repay the Lord, you foolish and senseless people? Is not He your Father Who acquired you for His own, Who made and established you [as a nation]? (Amplified Bible)

Deu 32:6 Is this what you requite to Yahweh, you decadent and unwise people? Is not He your Father Who acquired you? He Himself made you and established you. (Concordant Literal Version)

Deu 32:6 Is it Yahweh, ye thus requite, O impious people and unwise? Is not, he, thy father who begat thee? He, that made thee and established thee? (Rotherham)

Deu 32:6  To Jehovah do ye act thus, O people foolish and not wise? Is not He thy father--thy possessor? He made thee, and doth establish thee. (Youngs Literal Translation)

Personally, I think words like redeemed, bought, purchased, acquired, begat, ransomed, foreknew, predestined, created, made, love, mercy, chosen and elect are all pretty good spiritual synonyms that we can use to help us understand Deu 32:6. If we could just figure out when and where God purchased Israel in the Old Testament, we can figure out when and where God purchased us and what that means. Perhaps these parables can explain.

Mat 13:44  "The kingdom of heaven is like treasure, buried in a field, that a man found and reburied. Then in his joy he goes and sells everything he has and buys that field.

1Co 3:9  For we are God's co-workers. You are God's field, God's building.

These parables are right in line with what Ray taught, per Pamela's quote. I'm sure we can think of ways Jesus “sold” everything He had by emptying Himself of His glory to become a mortal for the express purpose of dying for us, effectively buying us by His own blood.

Joh 12:23  Jesus replied to them, "The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified.
Joh 12:24  "I assure you: Unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains by itself. But if it dies, it produces a large crop.

If He hadn't laid His life down, He would have remained as the only Son of God. Now because of Him, we are all Sons of God. What a great price He paid for us to be with Him in His Family. He knew us before He made us, all He needed to do was redeem us and claim us from the earth He made us from.

In my heart it rips me apart knowing I can't live up to that. I tell Him I will fail Him because I'm powerless to do otherwise. My only hope is to pray for His grace and mercy. I know that sounds a bit negative, but it's the truth as I believe I can do nothing of myself. If left to my devices without a Lord, I will return to the dust of the earth.

I don't know if this answers your question, Diane, as I have a tendency to rant too much about what, I think, are spiritual things. I do however, truly hope Jesus lives His life in us now to the end.

By the way, did you notice Deu 32:6 is part of the song of Moses?

Deu 32:44  Moses came with Joshua son of Nun and recited all the words of this song in the presence of the people.

Rev 14:3  They sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders, but no one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.

Hi Honeylamb, I got this from an e-mail Things of God

Dear Jack
Here is the most important thing that belongs to God.

What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is in
you, which ye have of God, and YE ARE NOT YOUR OWN. ( For ye GK. ALL OF YOU)
are BOUGHT with a price: therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit
which are God’s.( 1 Co. 6:19-20)

One more:
I beseech you therefore brethren by the mercies of God to present YOUR BODIES
( not your filthy lucre or Caesars tax money) A LIVING SACRIFICE , holy,
acceptable,unto God.( Rom.12:1)

I hope this helps. Also I think bought , redeemed , purchased, ransomed ,
established , all pertain to the same thing. If not then I welcome correction.Here are more scriptures I found. You can check them with Strongs.
1:Co.7:23, Gal: 4-5,Ex.15:16, 1 Pet.1:18,Rev,14:3-4, Lev.25:42, 55, Rev.5:9,
Rev.14:3-4, Matt.20:28 and there are many more.

All caps are Rays
In Christ Pamela

Deuteronomy 32:6

"Do you thus deal with the Lord, o foolish and unwise people?
Is He not your Father, who bought you? Has He not made you and extablished you?"

What is a better meaning of bought?  the center margin refers to Psalm 74:2 where the word used is purchased.

How does God buy or purchase us?  He is the creator so there must be a better translation...I googled the phrase but they just say we were created and no reference to bought. 

Diane

According to science, the universe is around 13.8 billion years old. The earth is around 4 billion years old. Mankind in general has been around for 200,000 years. From Adam until Jesus walked the earth as a man is 4000 years. From Jesus until now is around 2000 years.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ray agree with the science? Or perhaps I'm just misunderstanding you seaofglass, forgive me if that is the case. My personal knowledge in this area is limited.

The fun part was trying to figure out the spiritual significance of it all. I have some ideas thanks to Ray's papers. However, the kicker was the realization that the thousand years is mentioned so that we can know when we are in that thousand years. That is because that thousand years is also like a “watch in the night”.

Psa 90:4  For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

If you are still curious……I googled a man by the name Col. Lawrence Wilkerson.
 Very prominent figure in the Empire State. Has much to say . Maybe you already
know of him. I shake my head in sadness of what he speaks.

Much love to all of you.💕 In Christ

I hope I am not violating any rules by posting this . Please remove if you see fit.

Slight correction
there is a ? After the ( 24 hrs. ?) I left that out, sorry.

Hi seaofglass, I’m reading Mobile Conference 2009 from the
Challenges on what Ray teaches.

I came across this and I’m quoting Ray .

2 Peter,,, 3:8… that one day (24 hrs.) ,is with the Lord as a thousand years and
a thousand years as one day.

So is the thousand years the definition of the word day? Are you following me?
No, it’s not the definition of a day but the Bible uses that example—— it’s LIKE a thousand years.( caps mine)

End of quote. I’m not well versed on this subject but this teaching that I’m reading
here from this paper is awesome. For sure ,, day is not a twenty four hour period.
Is like and as , the same ?IDK but I will check it out.

I don’t know if this helps . I hope so. Keep digging.
God Bless You
In Christ, Pamela

According to Biblical context one day is as 1000 years.

2nd Pet 3:8 
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing: that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

As per Ray understanding each day in Genesis creation equates to 1000 years.  Which makes a lot of sense considering simple logic of trees growing timeframe; words used to describe the creation. Sprouting takes time we agree.

Now from Genesis to Jesus is about 4 years according to biblical context and timeline.
From death of Jesus till now is about 2,000.

Question:  From Adam to today, plus the creaton time, about how many years are we talking about 13,000, 14,000 till today?

Be Blessed

Will do Dennis.

Dynamo54, I can tell you that most of the tribulation that I have experienced occurred within me. Assuming of course that I am indeed experiencing spiritual tribulation. There are things that indicate that I may be in that tribulation. Granted, I understand correctly what tribulation is and does as described here in Hebrews.

Heb 12:22  Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God (the heavenly Jerusalem), to myriads of angels in festive gathering,
Heb 12:23  to the assembly of the firstborn whose names have been written in heaven, to God who is the judge of all, to the spirits of righteous people made perfect,
Heb 12:24  to Jesus (mediator of a new covenant), and to the sprinkled blood, which says better things than the blood of Abel.
Heb 12:25  See that you do not reject the One who speaks; for if they did not escape when they rejected Him who warned them on earth, even less will we if we turn away from Him who warns us from heaven.
Heb 12:26  His voice shook the earth at that time, but now He has promised, Yet once more I will shake not only the earth but also heaven.
Heb 12:27  Now this expression, "Yet once more," indicates the removal of what can be shaken--that is, created things--so that what is not shaken might remain.
Heb 12:28  Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us hold on to grace. By it, we may serve God acceptably, with reverence and awe;
Heb 12:29  for our God is a consuming fire. 

This Hebrews passage is a call back to the physical tribulation of the Israelites under Moses, found in Deuteronomy 4. This Hebrews passage is also the spiritual reality of the Elect who are enduring spiritual tribulation under Christ. First the physical with Moses, then comes the spiritual with Jesus.

The whole idea with administering tribulation is to remove “what can be shaken, that is, created things”. Spiritually speaking, created things are the idols of our hearts, false gods, false doctrines etc. Pay attention to all the words in Mark 9:25,26, because it's a physical type for how Christ casts out the “demons” that possess our minds and influence our hearts.

Mar 9:25  When Jesus saw that a crowd was rapidly coming together, He rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to it, "You mute and deaf spirit, I command you: come out of him and never enter him again!"
Mar 9:26  Then it came out, shrieking and convulsing him violently. The boy became like a corpse, so that many said, "He's dead."

And you know what happens when Christ casts out our demons.

Mat 12:28  But if I cast out the demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come on you […we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken — Heb 12:28].

Lest we forget how we enter into the Kingdom.

Act_14:22  Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

As for the phrase “created things” from Hebrews 12:27 as a reference to those things we worship, it does not stand alone.

Rom 1:25  who changed the truth of God into the lie, and worshiped and served the created thing more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

When we boil it down, we realize we are the created thing that we worship. Ray went into great detail describing this in his papers, so I don't need to explain it here.

I guess the whole point of this is to tell you not to be so concerned with what you can see and feel with your physical senses. Live by faith.