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Hi, I have not read the rapture exposure, And I know this is false, at least how Christian teach it, and I do not have time right now to read it, I will next year if it's Gods will.
Could somebody explain this like in two paragraphs?
Thanks a lot
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Carlos what is stopping you from reading it now?
Antaiwan
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And no, Ray's complete paper can not be explained by any one here in 2 paragraphs. You've no idea how offensive your request is, obviously, LOL. :(
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offensive? why?
I can't read it know for the following reasons.
I just translated part 2 into spanish, and I am tired.
I have a test tomorrow, project and test on wednesday, and test on thursday.
and the rapture document is 100 and something pages, it is the longest.
I wanted to read it when I start translating, but if its hard to explain, I guess im going to have to do it my self.
I thought somebody here could, since there are many people with great knowledge here.
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No, I did not try to say that Ray wrote it for nothing, What I meant was if somebody could give me the main ideas in 2 paragraphs.
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Hi Carlos,
You said in a previous post: lol, somebody like 5 min ago wrote in a forum that i was blaspheming also, he accused me of polytheism.
which is false.
Perhaps if you stopped wasting your time at other forums, you would have time to read Ray's paper .....just a thought ;)
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Sorry Carlos,
There are NO shortcuts to try to explain Ray's paper on this subject in 2 paragraphs. Though the "rapture" theory can be summed up in TWO words. DAMNABLE HERESY. Take your time when reading the paper. And don't be in a hurry to get ahead of yourself. It may take 2 sometimes 3 or more reads BEFORE God opens your eyes to the truth.
Ches
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Yes I have read some of some of Rays papers two or more times, not all of them.
the reason I was at that christian forum, is because I teach there, the stuff I have learned from Rays website and from inspiration, always from God.
I translated the trinity paper and I was posting it there, this way they would come to my web site and read more
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Hi, I have not read the rapture exposure, And I know this is false, at least how Christian teach it, and I do not have time right now to read it, I will next year if it's Gods will.
Could somebody explain this like in two paragraphs?
Thanks a lot
Hey Carlos,
I will not even attempt to shorten Ray's paper to a couple paragraphs.
...But regarding the Rapture theory I will say this:
1. The word 'rapture' is found nowhere in the Scriptures. [I assume you already know this]
2. The idea that Jesus Christ is going to return a 2nd time... TWICE, is not only UNscriptural, but it is 'stupid'. [a common trend in Babylon - 2 Timothy 4:3-4, I Corinthians 1:20]
3. The Rapture THEORY divides the Church. It makes one group Superior to the other. But Jesus says that "whosoever may be wanting to become great among you, let him be your servant..." - Matthew 20:26-27
4. Every Scripture that is used to 'supposedly' support the Rapture theory, can be easily 'debunked', simply by (a) reading the surrounding verses/chapter, and (b) comparing it with other Scriptures that speak about the 2nd Coming. You will see that they all talk about the SAME EVENT, though some passages will give details that others didn't.
I hope that helps your understanding a little...
That all said, I definitely recommend reading Ray's Paper. I will admit, it took me awhile to read it as well, mainly because I was reading several other of Ray's teachings -among other things- at the same time...
Over & Out,
-Daywalker
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Hi Carlos. God Bless you for all the work you are doing in translating.
I don't think your question was out of line. Sometimes we want just to know the ending of something. Then later we can go back. I have done that a number of times. I have been on this forum for 3 years I think (came about the same time as Hillsborough River-Joe). I have seen people come and go for various reasons. Please don't get offended and leave (you may not have even been thinking that!).
To answer your question- No, as you suspected, there is no rapture. Totally invented by the babylonian system. I know when you have time you will read it to get all the scriptures you need.
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Hello
I realize there is no rapture and agree. Could it be that the "church" got that theory from the following scriptures:
(Young's LT)
Luke 17:34 `I say to you, In that night, there shall be two men on one couch, the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left; 35 two women shall be grinding at the same place together, the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left; 36 two men shall be in the field, the one shall be taken, and the other left.' 37 And they answering say to him, Where, sir?' and he said to them, `Where the body is , there will the eagles be gathered together.
In verse 37 He answers them. Where are these people taken, to? In the Rotherham's it uses vultures instead of eagles. To me vultures may be more appropriate. Why? eagle else where in scripture is used in a positive way. And, because in verse 37 He states "where the body is" body is equal to flesh and that would be a negative usage, I believe.
I believe that vultures gather where animals/people are dying and are dead. So, is He saying that those that are left will continue to die or are not the "elect" and those that are "taken" (raptured) and the elect being changed. And, as to where the others go, where do they go?? where are they taken, to??
I could be totally out of the park altogether here. ;)
I look forward to ye responses.
Charrie
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Hello
I realize there is no rapture and agree. Could it be that the "church" got that theory from the following scriptures:
(Young's LT)
Luke 17:34 `I say to you, In that night, there shall be two men on one couch, the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left; 35 two women shall be grinding at the same place together, the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left; 36 two men shall be in the field, the one shall be taken, and the other left.' 37 And they answering say to him, Where, sir?' and he said to them, `Where the body is , there will the eagles be gathered together.
In verse 37 He answers them. Where are these people taken, to? In the Rotherham's it uses vultures instead of eagles. To me vultures may be more appropriate. Why? eagle else where in scripture is used in a positive way. And, because in verse 37 He states "where the body is" body is equal to flesh and that would be a negative usage, I believe.
I believe that vultures gather where animals/people are dying and are dead. So, is He saying that those that are left will continue to die or are not the "elect" and those that are "taken" (raptured) and the elect being changed. And, as to where the others go, where do they go?? where are they taken, to??
I could be totally out of the park altogether here. ;)
I look forward to ye responses.
Charrie
Hey Charrie,
I think you're closer than you may realize. Check out this excerpt from Ray's Rapture Paper:
[it's a lil long..]
http://bible-truths.com/rapture.htm
RAPTURE OF THE WICKED
Notice that our Lord instructs us that "as the days of Noah, thus shall it be." Okay then, how was it in the days of Noah? Who was "left" and who was "taken away?"
"For as they were in those days before the deluge, eating and drinking and marrying and taking in marriage until the day on which Noah entered into the ark, and did not know till the deluge came and takes them all AWAY, thus shall be the presence of the Son of Mankind" (Mat. 24:38-39).
Did you catch that? It was all the wicked who were eating, drinking, and marrying that were "TAKEN AWAY," not Noah and his family!
And so here we have a principle that is used throughout the entire Bible--the good are left and the bad are taken away. Immediately after verse 39 where the wicked are "taken," we have verse 40 which says, "Then two shall be in the field; one [wicked] is taken along and one left: two grinding at the millstone; one [wicked] is taken along and one left."
For further conformation of this look at the parable of the wheat and the tares. You all know the parable, so I won’t repeat all of it. Just notice that the tares
"are gathered and burned in the fire" (Mat. 13:40).
And
"they will gather OUT of His Kingdom all things that offend ..." (Ver 41).
So the tares are gathered out and burned and the wheat is left behind.
Notice Romans 8:33, "... God’s elect," Col. 3:12, "... the elect of God ..." Titus 1:1, "... God;s elect ..." Now look at Mat. 24:22, "Yet because of the elect [chosen], those days shall be shortened." Therefore, the "elect" or chosen ones have not been raptured away, but rather left, or God wouldn’t have to shorten the days of tribulation for the sake of the "elect."
Didn’t our Lord clearly pray to His Father, "I am not asking that Thou shouldst be taking them AWAY OUT OF THE WORLD, but that Thou shouldst be keeping them from the wicked one" (John 17:15)?
One more,
"Again the Kingdom of heaven is like unto a net that was cast into the sea [multitudes of people, Rev. 17:15] and gathered of every kind, which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad AWAY. So shall it be at the end of the age: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, and cast them into the furnace of fire ..." (Mat. 13:47-50).
Clearly the good are retained and kept, but the bad are severed and taken away! If ever there is to be a rapture, it will be A RAPTURE OF THE WICKED, not of the saints!
Now a few Scriptures to show that it was always God’s intention that the righteous remain on this earth:
"The righteous shall never be REMOVED [or raptured]; and the wicked shall not inherit the earth" (Prove. 10:30).
"The righteous shall be recompensed in the EARTH [not raptured to heaven]" (Prov. 11:31).
"Take AWAY the dross from the silver ... Take AWAY the wicked from the King ..." (Prov. 25:4-5).
"They [the wicked] are as stubble before the wind, and as chaff that the storm carrieth AWAY " (Job 21:18).
"... take hold of the ends of the earth that the wicked might be shaken OUT of it" (John 38:13).
And finally, "... REMOVING those things that are shaken [the wicked] ... that those things that cannot be shaken [the righteous] may REMAIN ... accepting an unshakable kingdom ..." (Heb. 12:27-28).
Jesus said He was going to His Father IN HEAVEN to prepare a place for His apostles. Peter said that Christ,
"... regenerates us into a living expectation, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from among the dead, for the enjoyment of an allotment incorruptible and undefiled and unfading, KEPT IN THE HEAVENS FOR YOU ..." (I Pet. 1:4-5).
And yet we know that Christ brings these treasures BACK TO EARTH.
Why do we think it is any different for the Gentiles? It is not different.
"... we have a building of God, a house not made by hands, eonian, IN THE HEAVENS." (II Cor. 5:1).
But are we unlike the Jews in that we really GO to heaven to receive our treasures? NO! Next verse: "For in this also we are groaning, longing to be dressed in our habitation which is OUT of heaven ..."
There are so many Scriptures like this that contradict the rapture theory. Look at this one,
"The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord’s; but the EARTH hath He given to the children of men" (Psalm 115:6). One more, "... for we are your glorying (even as you also are ours) in THE DAY OF OUR LORD JESUS" (II Cor. 1:14).
Not in the "rapture," but in "the day of our Lord."
I seriously doubt whether anyone could prove to us that the place where God dwells, "heaven," is actually a specific geographical location so many light years from the earth on some galactic rock in outer space. In the same way "eternity" is not "a very long time." They are both a condition or a realm. God is in us, while He is in Heaven, while He is also simultaneously, EVERYWHERE!
Since, "... we shall be judging messengers ..." Is it logical to conclude that we will need space worthy bodies to travel among the galaxies of outer space? Maybe we should ask whether messengers really reside millions of light years from earth on the rocks and planets of outer space.
Over & Out,
Daywalker
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I realize there is no rapture and agree. Could it be that the "church" got that theory from the following scriptures:
The church got this doctrine around 1830 because of a "vision" by an young girl, Margaret Mcdonald. A flim-flam evangelical/snake oil salesman named John Darby took this ball and ran with it. It wasn't until another "character" by the name of Scofield, made it an accepted doctrine (Yes, he is the Scofield that created a bible that everyone read; not scripture, mind you, but a commentary of his version of scripture) Suddenly everyone got a readers digest version of scripture and many doctrines were born. People didn't read and study scriptures but only read the commentary and accepted it as gospel. Preachers and teachers got hold of it and suddenly they were spouting the Scofield version of scripture.
Craig
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Thank ye, so much. It is the "elect" that remains and the "wicked" that is taken away. I will now go and study more about that.
Craig, that extra bit of information was excellent, thank you.
I like being among the "called out". I have NEVER found studing the scriptures to be so fullfiling.
Also, i like knowing that when I have questions I can post and get the benefit of like minds.
Charrie :-*
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That rapture stuff used to scare me to death when I was younger. Now... However God does things at the end.... He has it worked out so I don't really worry about it.
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I realize there is no rapture and agree. Could it be that the "church" got that theory from the following scriptures:
Suddenly everyone got a readers digest version of scripture and many doctrines were born. People didn't read and study scriptures ....."
Craig
And interestingly, that seems to never stop. Of the many, many revelations from Ray, one of the more important tips that I've come across.........and there have been many.........is "You’ve got to read the words." O how this has graduated my reading skill to a higher level.
That alone has dispelled so much carry on baggage.
Gary
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Same here, Jennie
It scared me too. But I believe that that was the all purpose of the "church" to scare us into obedience.
Like they scare us into tithles. Give 10% or the Father will take the 90%. It was even told that your offering should be more than the 10 and that if you gave a general offering NOT to mistake that for the 10. This you still had to give.
The "church" and these preachers are extremely seducing. They create and then feed off the flocks fears.
But all is according to the Father's divine plan..
Charrie :-*
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Thanks guys, Yes the church is hundreds of times more corrupt.
not only do you have to pay their salaries, pharisees did not have a salary, that makes theologians worse than pharisees.
And this is not all, they SELL the word of GOD, THEY SELL WORSHIP MUSIC.
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS???
do you see anywhere that King David was selling worshiping music????
NO! What can be more blasphemous than this??
Oh I know!!!
In Babylon parents sacrifice their children in fire for their god Baal. so why not invent that this "god" will also burn billions of his children for ALL ETERNITY!!!
this is surely more sick than what the Babylonians did, because its for all eternity!!!
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Thanks guys, Yes the church is hundreds of times more corrupt.
not only do you have to pay their salaries, pharisees did not have a salary, that makes theologians worse than pharisees.
And this is not all, they SELL the word of GOD, THEY SELL WORSHIP MUSIC.
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS???
do you see anywhere that King David was selling worshiping music????
NO! What can be more blasphemous than this??
Oh I know!!!
In Babylon parents sacrifice their children in fire for their god Baal. so why not invent that this "god" will also burn billions of his children for ALL ETERNITY!!!
this is surely more sick than what the Babylonians did, because its for all eternity!!!
So True... It's too bad most Christians don't think about these things
- Daywalker
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if you go into Joel osteen's web site, it almost looks like a market.
if i remember right he even sells sermons
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if you go into Joel osteen's web site, it almost looks like a market.
if i remember right he even sells sermons
He was on Larry king live a couple weeks ago, he said he never took a salary, but sells books videos etc.
I know he and his wife are very wealthy.
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If i remember right he made 20 million dollars for selling just one book.
But I do agree with some of the stuff he teaches, but he still teaches heresy.
the bible instructs us to keep the good and throw away the bad things.
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Carlos31,
I shudder to ask, you know rushing in where Angels fear to tread but :o; what exactly do you agree
with Joel O'steen about. ??? ???
george.
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Joel Osteen reminds me a bit of Norman Vincent Peal.
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Ok, so any particular Scriptural practices from J O'Steen that was worth keeping is my question.
If so, would you state it here or PM me with the info. ???
george. ;D
If i remember right he made 20 million dollars for selling just one book.
But I do agree with some of the stuff he teaches, but he still teaches heresy.
the bible instructs us to keep the good and throw away the bad things.
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Very good Horseman ;D,
I have had to choke and listen many sunday mornings when Mrs is getting her fix. Nope not that one
it has got to be something beyond my current understanding ???. Trying to work with a Brother who is
finding his way like we all are at some time.
george . :)
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Carlos, good job and many blessings in your translating job!!!! Keep us informed as to when you are finished and how the recipients' responses are....
Thank you Drywalker for posting those scriptures from Rays paper on the 'rapture' ...I needed to hear this, especially after I had gone to a "Prophecy Club" meeting last week about the 'end times'...(at least it was a good thing that the guest speaker was not preaching the rapture as the churches are teaching it.); none the less, he got very "distant and disappointed and suspicious" with me after I told him that I did not agree that AMERICA was the BABYLON, but that it was the church! I even felt like he was looking at me as though I were a demon sent to try to deceive him, lol!)) Anyway, what an amazing and wonderful thing to know the truth about who is leaving this earth and who is staying...wow were we ever deceived in the churches on this issue!!!
blessings,
Susan
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well I dont know if he is doing a fake smile or not.
Joel is always smiling.
And if you have the right mind, you can learn things from anybody, atheist, christian or not.
well yesterday i posted lake of fire part 2, and somebody told me that he agree in 96%, lol, I did not read what was the 4% that he did not agree on.
Shalom.
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is there anybody here from GA?
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I am.
Ches
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I'm from GA also.
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well I dont know if he is doing a fake smile or not.
Joel is always smiling.
And if you have the right mind, you can learn things from anybody, atheist, christian or not.
well yesterday i posted lake of fire part 2, and somebody told me that he agree in 96%, lol, I did not read what was the 4% that he did not agree on.
Shalom.
I agree with you Carlos God can use anyone for his purpose. :)
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The "Rapture" was in 1980 by Blondie.
"Rapture" was the first song containing elements of rap music vocals to reach number one in the U.S. and helped introduce the then underground rap genre to a larger audience.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHPikUPlRD8
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HEY CARLOS , i,m from the mid Ga area,Ray-Ray
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well I dont know if he is doing a fake smile or not.
Joel is always smiling.
And if you have the right mind, you can learn things from anybody, atheist, christian or not.
well yesterday i posted lake of fire part 2, and somebody told me that he agree in 96%, lol, I did not read what was the 4% that he did not agree on.
Shalom.
The Lord tells us again and again NOT to learn from the heathen and other nations (including Babylon):
Deut 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods [tithing, seeking materialistic gain, doing good works of one's supposed 'free will'] saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
Deut 18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
Rev. 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
The Joel Osteens, TD Jakes, Rick Warrens, and what not are NOT to be welcomed into our hearts with their deceptive doctrines and false 'kiss of death' smiles:
2 Tim 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
2 John 1:9-11 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
1 John 2:15-16 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
We are to learn the ways of the Lord...for in Him we are complete and lack nothing:
Deut 16:30 That which is altogether JUST shalt thou follow, that thou mayest LIVE, and inherit the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Deut 5:33 Ye shall walk in all the ways which the LORD your God hath commanded you, that ye may LIVE, and that it may be well with you, and that ye may prolong your days in the land which ye shall possess.
Matt 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me [Christ]; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall FIND REST unto your souls.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete IN HIM [Christ], which is the head of all principality and power:
We learn from the Lord THROUGH their disobedience not from them in any way, shape, or form:
Ecc 1:13 An experience of evil God has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it
1 Cor 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
It is most humbling to come into the knowledge that without the grace of God, any of us could have been them in the world. But this knowledge is also from the grace of God...not them; so it is NOTHING they can offer that can benefit anyone spiritually.
Thanks,
Marques
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Marques,
You are 100 percent correct on this; it is interesting how a little leaven will leaven the whole lump.
george.
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Joel and His wife are on Larry King tonight. Just saw tail end of it. That, church of his is packed. My Mother and Husband are starting to think more like me everyday. They think it looks like a show not a house of God. I don't have a thing spritual to learn from him. He is being used for Gods purpose. I sure do feel a part of the few tonight. I am so glad to have you all and the truths of God.
I remember when they use to say the U.S. is Babylon. I am sure no preacher would take well to finding out it is the Babylon Church System. Yes, God is using them to show us the few what a put on it is. My Mother heard Joel telling someone it is hard times, but with God we can make it through. Anyone can make it through when you are filthy rich. But, I am glad money has never meant that much to me. As, long as I can make ends meet that is all anyone needs. One thing money cannot buy us is a ticket from death even the rich will face death.
In His Love,
Marlene
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well marques I never said to learn from evil.
I said that when you talk to a person, let it be christian, muslim or atheist, YOU CAN ALWAYS learn something good.
keep the good, throw away the bad.
You can at least learn from their humbleness or their caracter, not all christians have better caracter than aiteist, think about it.
if all your friends think exactly like you, you are a liar.
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well marques I never said to learn from evil.
I said that when you talk to a person, let it be christian, muslim or atheist, YOU CAN ALWAYS learn something good.
keep the good, throw away the bad.
You can at least learn from their humbleness or their caracter, not all christians have better caracter than aiteist, think about it.
if all your friends think exactly like you, you are a liar.
If that is what you believe Carlos...but what saith the scriptures? "...We ought to obey God rather than men." [Acts 5:29]
Matt. 21:12-13 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
1 Cor 5:9-13 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
These, and many other scriptures, say it all...
Marques
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Carlos31,
Please check out the sources that you are using for your Edification. I will give some Scriptures
that refute your statements as unscriptural: As Ray has stated, the unity is already here: Christ
in us, we in Him and Him (Christ) In The Father. All the other groups and religions are trying to
create another (new) unity built on sand and lies. So what part light with darkness. ???
II Corinthians 6:14:
Be not getting diversely yoked with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and
lawlessness? Or what fellowship hath light with darkness?
1st Corinthians: 10 15-23
15-As, to prudent men, I speak,—judge, ye, what I say:—
16-The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not, a sharing together of the blood of the Christ?
The loaf which we break, is it not, a sharing together of the body of the Christ?
17-Because, one loaf, one body, we, the many, are, for we, all, of the one loaf, partake.
18-Be looking at Israel after the flesh:—are not, they who eat the sacrifices, joint partakers with the altar?
19-What, then, am I saying?—that, an idol-sacrifice, is anything? or that, an idol, is anything?
20-On the contrary—that, the things which the nations sacrifice, unto demons, and not unto God,
they sacrifice; and I wish not that ye should become, sharers together with the demons!
21-Ye cannot be drinking—a cup of the Lord, and a cup of demons; ye cannot be partaking of, a table
of the Lord, and a table of demons.
22-Or are we to provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we mightier than he?
23-All things are allowable—but, not all things, are profitable,—all things are allowable—but, not all things, upbuild.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5417.msg43144.html#msg43144
June ‘07 Bible Study
Saved By Grace Thru Faith
[By Divine influence upon our HEARTS]
This is a part of my on going attempt to show you how everything is interrelated in the scriptures. Everything comes down to one main objective - one main purpose - one thing, remember I’ve said that so often, it’s all ONE. You study out any subject in the scripture and it all comes down to one thing…. it’s all ONE.
Jesus Christ was an individual and He did all these many many things and He has a Father and He has done all these wonderful things. Yet He says, “I and My Father are ONE.” (John 10:30) And I have said everything is ONE.
Eph 4:1 I therefore the prisoner in the Lord, beseech you to walk worthily of the vocation wherewith you were called,
v. 2 with all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
v. 3 Endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
You know what unity means - unity means it’s all together, that’s what unity is, all together in one. One purpose - one cause - one whatever, it’s unified.
These churches of the world are out to create a unity between them. I mean they would even try to create a unity between the Moslems and the Christians. Give me a break, what fellowship has light with darkness, or what fellowship has darkness with darkness, how about that. The unity already exist, we don’t create a new unity. “Keep the unity of the Spirit,” there already is that unity. We are encouraged to keep it, not create it, it’s already there.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as also ye were called in one hope of your calling;
v. 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
v. 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in you all.
It’s all ONE!
So today I’m going to talk especially about - saved by grace thru faith.
Excerpt from Unequally yoked by L. Ray Smith
http://bible-truths.com/yoked.htm
First, let's read the entire Scripture:
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, says the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty" (II Cor. 6:14-18).
The phrase "unequally yoked together" is the translation of just one Greek word, heterozugeo, which is a compound word that means, "to yoke up differently; to associate discordantly; unequally yoke together." It is used but this one time in the Bible.
The word "yoke" means a coupling as when two oxen are coupled or yoked together by a pulling beam to do work such as plowing a field or pulling a wagon.
And so Paul is telling the Corinthians congregation which was steeped in paganism and their cities peppered with pagan temples, that they should not be "unequally" yoked with those that practiced paganism or any works of darkness. They were to avoid: "unbelievers, unrighteousness, darkness, Belial, infidels, and idols." There it is. That's the list Paul gave them, exactly as we read above. Nothing is mentioned about marriage, but it does apply to marriage.
Sorry this is so long, but we do have a problem of mixing totally unscriptural (man's wisdom)
with the (Spiritual things of God).
george. ???
well marques I never said to learn from evil.
I said that when you talk to a person, let it be christian, muslim or atheist, YOU CAN ALWAYS learn something good.
keep the good, throw away the bad.
You can at least learn from their humbleness or their character, not all christians have better character than atheist, think about it.
if all your friends think exactly like you, you are a liar.
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Hi Carlos,
I hope you are not feeing l picked upon ...I think much of the problem may be in the "words" that are being used.....you may not understand or you may be using the language too loosley and that is leading to the confusion.
Throughout the scriptures this subject of "mixing" is address over and over again ....especially in the OT they talk about not mixing wool with linen, milk with meat and leaven flor, the sons of israel with the idolators etc etc
I think these scriptures address the mixing of truth best and point blank
(2Jn 1:9) Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
(2Jn 1:10) If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him Godspeed:
(2Jn 1:11) For he that biddeth him Godspeed is partaker of his evil deeds.
THERE IS NOTHING THAT ANY RELIGION HAS THAT CAN BE MIXED WITH THE SPIRITAUAL TRUTH....ALL THEY HAVE ....IS CARNAL.....
You must study the Word so you know the TRUTH...verses what is posing as a Half truth dressed up in Lies.
They pervert the word of God and you must not let it into your spiritual house....
You can not "agree" or bid them G3004 λέγω legō
A primary verb; properly to “lay” forth, that is, (figuratively) relate (in words [usually of systematic or set discourse; whereas G2036 and G5346 generally refer to an individual expression or speech respectively; while G4483 is properly to break silence merely, and G2980 means an extended or random harangue]); by implication to mean: - ask, bid, boast, call, describe, give out, name, put forth, say (-ing, on), shew, speak, tell, utter.
me refer
Godspeed G5463 χαίρω chairō khah'ee-ro
A primary verb; to be full of “cheer”, that is, calmly happy or well off; impersonal especially as a salutation (on meeting or parting), be well: - farewell, be glad, God speed, greeting, hail, joy (-fully), rejoice.
Put simply
Claim nothing they have....
leave it alone...to not accept it
orthodox christians like Olsteen, athesist and New Agers and any other religions ....they have NOTHING....Do not be deceived by anything they say.
This whole topic of "rapture" come about because the carnal translators did not understand the spiritual and they twisted the language to fit their philosphy of their time....and people keep putting the spin on it to suit their fancy.
It is a trap to deceive.....why does God say COME OUT....he wants us to separate ourselves from them...TOTALLY.
I hope this helps
beloved
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"if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner"
was jesus with people that said that they were his brother?
No.
Jesus was with non believing sinners.
I am not saying to accept evil doctrines.
I am saying to keep the good, you hear from people, throw away the bad.
also that verse is talking about those that ""f any man that is called a brother be a fornicator...[etc]" do hang with him
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I realize there is no rapture and agree. Could it be that the "church" got that theory from the following scriptures:
The church got this doctrine around 1830 because of a "vision" by an young girl, Margaret Mcdonald. A flim-flam evangelical/snake oil salesman named John Darby took this ball and ran with it. It wasn't until another "character" by the name of Scofield, made it an accepted doctrine (Yes, he is the Scofield that created a bible that everyone read; not scripture, mind you, but a commentary of his version of scripture) Suddenly everyone got a readers digest version of scripture and many doctrines were born. People didn't read and study scriptures but only read the commentary and accepted it as gospel. Preachers and teachers got hold of it and suddenly they were spouting the Scofield version of scripture.
Craig
This is true...and once I became aware of this back in the day it helped me break free all the more.
A complete study of dispensationalism helped make it all the clearer on how colored our vision gets by these religious teachings. This is also the very backing of a lot of the end of the world drama that the churches and media love so much.