Is there anyone else here that feels this way?
Yes. I'd love to just hear the Gospel explained from a pure premise.
[Of course, I understand the majority of his readers are coming from an ET perspective.]
Yes. I'd love to just hear the Gospel explained from a pure premise.
Paul, that's offensive. Are you suggesting that Ray's teachings are unpure?
What is 'ET'?
Often times I find that answers to my posts also include the presumption that I know things that I really don't. Ugh, I hope I am making sense. It is not usually so difficult for me to put my thoughts into words. ???
Eileen
When reading Ray's papers, I notice that he is not so much teaching as refuting other teachings. This causes problems for me because I don't really have any preconceived notions about most things. In fact, I have not even heard of most of the heretics that he refutes. So when I am reading something and think I am understanding, Ray talks about the teachings of Christendom. I don't want to know that, I only want to know the truth. Is it not possible to learn truths without first knowing the lies? I mean, I don't need to be "deprogrammed". I am a clean slate that needs to start from scratch.
Is there anyone else here that feels this way?
If it sounds as if I am being negative or arrogant, I truly am not. I am just frustrated with being unable to learn because of my lack of prior knowledge. (and I know I have said something like this in other posts, sorry).
For instance, I was reading the LOF part IV and began to understand a little better about the "harvests" that I have heard you all talk about before. I knew nothing about feasts or harvests. I don't even know who Benny Hinn is or Dr. Kennedy or Hagee. I had never heard of them until I came here. I would not be able to find the televangelists on my TV if I tried. I thank God I don't know them and never did and never will.
And also, I have never heard of the Lake of Fire before coming here either. Do Christians think the LOF is Hell?
Can anyone relate? :-[
Eileen
In order to fully appreciate and differentiate between a concept of fact and have understanding, we must know it's opposite. Examples: Good & Evil(Remember the account Genesis regarding the Tree); Hot & Cold; Truth & Falsehood; Light & Darkness; Sickness & Good Health; Tall & Short; Pride & Humility, etc. To fully understand and distinguish these concepts, we need to experience and learn about their opposites. How would you fully appreciate Truth, if you weren't exposed to it's opposite; Lying. Many of us have experienced blatant Religious Hypocrisy, Double standards, half-truths and clear deception. This is part of our training and disipline provided by Our Heavenly Father towards our becoming Spiritually Perfected. If all you ever knew was Truth in all areas of Life, including Religion; when confronted with falsehood, you would, or at least could be fooled by the Father of the Lie(John. chapter 8). The deception is all around us in Politics, Religion, Commerce, etc and it's rank, but it helps us to appreciate Proverbs. 3:5-7, you can look it up, if you like.
Just think of all the concepts and different things that have their opposites and you will find, you wouldn't be able to fully understand them without their opposites.
Hope this helps, Your Brother, Samson.
What or where was my Babylon
All my learning and studying came from teaaching myself. Ordering booklets and magazines reading the Bible off an on.Then I came across Armstrong; teachings and started doing alot of reading Then I came across Ray's web site and I knew the moment I started reading his papers on LOF and Hagee and Kennedy that I had it all wrong . But those yrs of being on my own gave me basic concepts of the Bible. Then I took Ray's teachings from there. The reason I posted this is to say I love the way Ray teaches and I don't believe He refutes more than teach I think it the other way. What or where was my Babylon