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The most sought after women in the world have to be---------------- SINGLE B-T women! WHY???
I HAPPEN to know several single B-T men--who are at their wit's end trying to find a "life partner" who A. loves the Lord and B. has Christian values!
They are about ready to give up on finding the "right woman". WHY?
Where do you find a God loving woman? In church! (As opposed to Harry's Bar and Disco lounge)
Problem: Unlike the millions of woman to chose from "in the world"-- the church has FEWER to offer to begin with.
Then, A friend told me they "found one", BUT the date ended rather abruptly after she labeled him a "heretic" for not adhering to the
"Church of Babylon's" many doctrines!
Back to the almost impossible "drawing board".
SOOO--B-T single woman--You are RARE GEMS!
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Hi there Duane do want to know how you can get the right woman i have just the answer for you email me
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Friend Hiratnz,
No one is going all the way to Auckland to collect a wife no matter how great a prize she may be.
Perhaps you could arrange passage one way and we take our chances.
Indiana bob
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I met my husband on BT! :)
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Funny but true thread!!
Wow, cypress, tell these single guys your story!!
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Funny but true thread!!
Wow, cypress, tell these single guys your story!!
Sure, read this thread!
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,12736.0.html (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,12736.0.html)
To make a long story short :), Justin (JJ81) sent me a message in June 2010 and we started writing back and forth, eventually talking on the phone in August. It was definitely challenging, as it was a long distance relationship, with him in Wisconsin and me in Florida. He came down to visit me for the first time last October, and we visited each other each month. We became engaged in February and got married in June (1 year later)! He made the move to Florida last May and we've been together ever since!
Like you I just couldn't see myself with someone from the "church". I had given up on love because I just couldn't settle, plus I knew no man from church would want me with my beliefs anyway ;). I had literally told God I was done and willing to be alone...if that's what it meant to know His truths. Then I joined this site and within 3 months I had my message from Justin :). I knew from the start that he was the one God had for me.
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Even an old curmudgeon like me has to smile at that story.
I guess that means you can't be one of the most sought-after women any more. ;D ;D
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They are rare indeed!!!
In my experience Duane, most women are pretty accepting of the beliefs we hold but in the back of their minds they really want to convert you.
The biggest hurdle to get over is this not going to church thing.
Its tough to find someone that will accept your beliefs and respect you.
Its also tough when the conversation turns into about what you both believe about the church.
Keep searching, she is out there some where!! Just hope I don't find her first! :D ;)
Antaiwan
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They are rare indeed!!!
In my experience Duane, most women are pretty accepting of the beliefs we hold but in the back of their minds they really want to convert you.
The biggest hurdle to get over is this not going to church thing.
Its tough to find someone that will accept your beliefs and respect you.
Its also tough when the conversation turns into about what you both believe about the church.
Keep searching, she is out there some where!! Just hope I don't find her first! :D ;)
Antaiwan
ROFL! This made me laugh out loud literally. Love it!
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Listen boys..I want to remind you, Moises, Antaiwan, and Alex..just be yourself..you're amazing men and God has a lady picked out for you..the greatest thing of all is having a friend who loves you for just who you are! I have been hangin' out here with you boys long enough to tell you that God has it all worked out and on the day you least expect it, He will bless you! Let His love and light keep shining out from you...who could resist you if God is using you as a lighthouse beacon!? hehe!!
Kathy ;)
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ninny, it is so good to see you posting again. i have missed your common presence here. always honest, to the point, and loves humor. and, her grandsons! :D
with regards to duane's thread; i haven't been single for a little over 20 yrs, but now find myself in a netherworld of being single again, and the thought of being sought after again, scares the %&@# out of me. most especially at my age. ;)
claudia
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Claudia .... with a personality like yours and a picture like you have on facebook--it is just a matter of:
Has enough time passed for you to WANT to resume a relationship--if so-just let the desire be known and "wallah"!
you are a "gem" and very beautiful--to boot!
Hope I don't sound "out of place" but I'm not good at "burying my thoughts" and everyone knows that I am very happy with Betty.
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you are sweet duane. and i am sure your betty takes very good care of you. btw, i love the name betty. that's my momma's name. :)
claudia
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Listen boys..I want to remind you, Moises, Antaiwan, and Alex..just be yourself..you're amazing men and God has a lady picked out for you..the greatest thing of all is having a friend who loves you for just who you are! I have been hangin' out here with you boys long enough to tell you that God has it all worked out and on the day you least expect it, He will bless you! Let His love and light keep shining out from you...who could resist you if God is using you as a lighthouse beacon!? hehe!!
Kathy ;)
Kathy, have i ever told you I love you? xD You are to kind :P
P.S. We are still pretty carnal, well at least I am.
P.P.S. IT's nothing i'm proud of >.>
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Listen boys..I want to remind you, Moises, Antaiwan, and Alex..just be yourself..you're amazing men and God has a lady picked out for you..the greatest thing of all is having a friend who loves you for just who you are! I have been hangin' out here with you boys long enough to tell you that God has it all worked out and on the day you least expect it, He will bless you! Let His love and light keep shining out from you...who could resist you if God is using you as a lighthouse beacon!? hehe!!
Kathy ;)
For those of us that seem to be ordained to follow in Christ's footsteps of being a eunuch for the Kingdom, He will be our companion - especially on those nights when the sting of loneliness hits. :) He loves us for us, and He always has. What greater source of love is there than the One who IS love?
Just giving some encouragement to those who God may have determined to not have a physical mate. :)
In Him,
John
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well said john michael. :)
claudia
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Hi John
No doubt anyone who has been called to be part of the Elect will feel a lot pf private pain. If you do suffer for righteousness sake, then you will have a reward. Your wounds are fresh, the balm of Gilead you need. I pray that Jesus will be that balm in ever increasing measure.
It is impossible for anyone of us to know what walk God has ordained for us to walk in. Speaking for myself, as someone over twice your age, I could not have predicted how my life would turn out...it has been so far from what I would of guessed...But the hand of God is clear, as I look back. many things I would never want to go through again. But they were necessary, and brought fruit. Many blessings He has given me I am utterly grateful for. But the inward groan, it does persist. we need to be clothed anew. I truly truly hope you will somehow, persevere, and will receiving a great blessing for running a good race.
from your perspective right now it has to look rather challenging, and I surely can understand that. And you are counting the cost. Please keep the heart and faith. And you actually do not know what the cost will turn out to be, until the end. You cannot know yet, what joys God has prepared for you, either in this life, or the next.
But I deeply feel the pain of your post, I do. And I respect you for saying what you have said.
Doug
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Life-long bachelorship doesn't sound too bad. Just wish the temptation to find someone could go away
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I love you, too, Alex! ;)
Thank you, Claudia! I have been here, just not posting much..I have been very busy with those grandsons lately! I don't find much time to sit here and write!
Hey guys...If God has intended that you should remain single..then He will give you peace with that...You're right, John..
Kathy ;)
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Hi John
No doubt anyone who has been called to be part of the Elect will feel a lot pf private pain. If you do suffer for righteousness sake, then you will have a reward. Your wounds are fresh, the balm of Gilead you need. I pray that Jesus will be that balm in ever increasing measure.
It is impossible for anyone of us to know what walk God has ordained for us to walk in. Speaking for myself, as someone over twice your age, I could not have predicted how my life would turn out...it has been so far from what I would of guessed...But the hand of God is clear, as I look back. many things I would never want to go through again. But they were necessary, and brought fruit. Many blessings He has given me I am utterly grateful for. But the inward groan, it does persist. we need to be clothed anew. I truly truly hope you will somehow, persevere, and will receiving a great blessing for running a good race.
from your perspective right now it has to look rather challenging, and I surely can understand that. And you are counting the cost. Please keep the heart and faith. And you actually do not know what the cost will turn out to be, until the end. You cannot know yet, what joys God has prepared for you, either in this life, or the next.
But I deeply feel the pain of your post, I do. And I respect you for saying what you have said.
Doug
doug, your post to our john michael touched my heart deeply. thank you for the lovingkindness.
claudia
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Remember: It is far better to be in NO relationship at all--than to be stuck in a BAD ONE!
been there/done that! Then along came Betty!!!!
In my first "marriage" I found this to be true!
"What is the ONE food--that once a woman eats it--it will absolutely KILL her sex drive? (It may take two weeks, two months, ten years-- but it's almost 100% effective!)
Answer: wedding cake!
Think back--
Did you EVER hear of a couple who SOUGHT COUNSELING because they were DATING/GOING TOGETHER just COULDN'T get interested??
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Duane, thanks for the food for thought...
I once hear a advance that go like this: ''a girl needs a man that doesn't need a girl.'' I find this very interesting, since man could
get his emotional estability from Jesus himself and then be able to have the straight to manage his girl according with what is best for
both. Of course I am talking about man's whom are believers. However, I am not talking by experience, I am not married yet, actually I don't see a
gray future for me if I never get married, but I know I have more reason to do it than for not doing it, and so I am looking for it...
I remember there is a part on the Scriptures where it talks about the men being for his wife as Jesus is for his Church. I bet there
is a good leason there, I wonder what you mature married guys here in the forum think and/or have to say about it?
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I know for me, I really wish there was someone I could curl up on the couch with. I'm just a babe compared to you guys, I've only come to the truth maybe a year ago. I was never really in Babylon, or even very religious at all. But when someone is looking for a mate and has been single a very long time (me) telling them "Don't worry, Jesus loves you more than any spouse could" uhh..for me anyways, just doesen't cut it. It's hard when you go to a gathering or an event and your the only single person there, it feels like all eyes are on you.
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I know for me, I really wish there was someone I could curl up on the couch with. I'm just a babe compared to you guys, I've only come to the truth maybe a year ago. I was never really in Babylon, or even very religious at all. But when someone is looking for a mate and has been single a very long time (me) telling them "Don't worry, Jesus loves you more than any spouse could" uhh..for me anyways, just doesen't cut it. It's hard when you go to a gathering or an event and your the only single person there, it feels like all eyes are on you.
Hi Rob,
I can definitely understand, and empathize with, your feelings. Believe me, I can. Unless God does a miracle, there won't be a mate for me. The type of mate that I would desire is condemned by Scripture. Therefore, those weren't empty words about our Lord being our companion or loving us more than any person could. Those are words that I use for myself over and over whenever I see a couple together or some romantic scene comes on TV. Being 27 and knowing that in all likelihood I will be single the rest of my life is tough, but our Lord promised that He would never leave us or forsake us, and that does give comfort in those moments when one feels lonely. Our Lord also promised that God knows what we need, and if we seek first His righteousness and His Kingdom, all these things shall be added unto us. He also does not cause us to suffer unnecessarily, so He knows what's necessary for our greater good - all to His glory.
Again, I'm not saying any of this to "preach" to you or to "belittle" your feelings. I'm just trying to encourage - one broken heart to another.
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Doug: Thank you. I didn't even know that I needed encouragement, but God did. I definitely needed that encouragement.
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In Him,
John
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JohnMichael, you are so amazing :).
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Being 27 and knowing that in all likelihood I will be single the rest of my life is tough, but our Lord promised that He would never leave us or forsake us, and that does give comfort in those moments when one feels lonely.
John: I believe, too, that I may be single the rest of my life, because I drive men UP THE WALL!! lol But hey, you know what? Things could change!
The past three or so months have been really hard on me in this department. I moved out of my old place and away from my daughter and I was terrified one night sitting on my balcony and thinking "I'm always going to feel this way--terrified, alone, dorky." But then as the days went by and I saw that God was giving me everything I needed, I realized that feelings do change.
Then, I got happy and lo and behold Satan came along and threw temptation in my path, and it was almost impossible to resist. I saw myself going down the wrong road being to weak to resist the pulls of the flesh but knowing what lay ahead, so I wrote Ray and asked for prayer. I really want to live right. Somewhere in the chain of emails we exchanged he said to me, Eve had everything she needed until Satan helped convince her it wasn't enough. (I said, yeah, except for the strength to resist the temptation. lol)
There was a time when I would've gladly drunk the sea water that's being offered to me, as Arc so aptly put it (I love that), but I've been told I was made for greater things, and I'm starting to really believe it. I think the danger for me, personally, is in believing that I'll likely be alone. Heck, I don't know! I know Paul says it's better to be alone and not married. And after all I've seen, I would agree. Life's already so complicated. But God could have something different in mind for me, and you too, John. I'm personally praying that I God grants me the ability to remain content with food and clothing. lol
All the best to you, John! I've been watching your posts as a lurker, and you are in my prayers too.
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Gina---Your NEVER alone! Just look at all the friends you have that LOVE you---and LOVE to hear fom YOU!
When your feeling along just get involved in a conversation on facebook with all the other B-T'ers! We'll get your mind off things in a hurry!!
In Christ,
Duane
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Hi John,
Thank you very much for your reply. It must feel like torture for you sometimes wanting to live your life a certain way, but knowing it's forbidden, my heart goes out to you. I find it odd with some of the reponses to this thread, I'm not saying as a single person that I'm not loved by anyone, but most of the responses are saying "You're not alone, God still loves you...we at BT love you" that to me is saying the same thing as even though you're single, you still have the love of your friends and family. Not that that is not important, but it sure as heck does not quash the fires of "burning with passsion"
I don't pine over not having a spouse every day..but after almost 20yrs of being single and looking after a severly brain damaged child every day on my own(thats another story) I feel there is no me anymore, just me the caregiver. I just wish God had someone for everyone.
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haha, Duane! :-) Thanks!
Actually, the funny thing is -- I felt better in the period of time where I moved and I didn't have an internet connection. I was forced to find other things to do with my time, of which I have plenty. And I had a blast! I put together furniture (challenging for someone who's vertically challenged) and I cooked and prayed and talked to my sisters and friends on the phone. God showed me during that time that I can be afraid but fear won't be my final resting place. ;-) He will provide everything I need when I need it. I was just in a new place and everything seemed unfamiliar and I was focusing on me and my condition instead of God and what is possible with God. I'm much better now. And the likelihood that I might wind up feeling like that again is very likely, but if / when that time comes, I'll remember all that God did for me and thank Him for what He's about to do.
Thank you for your offer to facebook. Ya never know--I just might get a facebook account one day! :)
Gina
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Hi John,
Thank you very much for your reply. It must feel like torture for you sometimes wanting to live your life a certain way, but knowing it's forbidden, my heart goes out to you. I find it odd with some of the reponses to this thread, I'm not saying as a single person that I'm not loved by anyone, but most of the responses are saying "You're not alone, God still loves you...we at BT love you" that to me is saying the same thing as even though you're single, you still have the love of your friends and family. Not that that is not important, but it sure as heck does not quash the fires of "burning with passsion"
I don't pine over not having a spouse every day..but after almost 20yrs of being single and looking after a severly brain damaged child every day on my own(thats another story) I feel there is no me anymore, just me the caregiver. I just wish God had someone for everyone.
Hi Rob,
I believe that the desires of our heart, if they are good and true, that they are not without reason. God has placed this desire in your heart to want a mate, I don't think He did that to torture you, but through this trial of desiring something you cannot have, or rather someone you cannot have, RIGHT NOW, is making you into a man that will be well equipped to love that special person the Lord has planned for you to be with in your life. He is making you into the man you want in your heart to be, for this person that you have not met yet, that you want to love with your whole heart. A man of God, a man filled with God's love, a Man being made into the image of Christ!
I to desire a companion someday to love, but I know right now, I am very immature and not ready to be the man that this person deserves. There exists much carnality in me that need sto be burned out, and when I find that person, I want to be the man I am called to be. I want to be a man who will never look at another woman in any shameful way except with the woman that He is with. I want to be the best father I can be to my future kids someday as well. I want to be an example for them, to show them that in this dark world, God does live, and He indeed does love and I want them to know that they can live in the world but not be apart of it.
I have a LONG way to get there... but I do feel your desire as I have it to, just know it is not without good purpose that you feel this desire that pains you at times, because remember, God placed these desires in your heart and He knows you best! He will provide, He's not a sadistic twisted god, trust in Him! :) I know... easier said than done, I feel you, I really do! Hehe
Much love,
Alex
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Hi John,
Thank you very much for your reply. It must feel like torture for you sometimes wanting to live your life a certain way, but knowing it's forbidden, my heart goes out to you. I find it odd with some of the reponses to this thread, I'm not saying as a single person that I'm not loved by anyone, but most of the responses are saying "You're not alone, God still loves you...we at BT love you" that to me is saying the same thing as even though you're single, you still have the love of your friends and family. Not that that is not important, but it sure as heck does not quash the fires of "burning with passsion"
I don't pine over not having a spouse every day..but after almost 20yrs of being single and looking after a severly brain damaged child every day on my own(thats another story) I feel there is no me anymore, just me the caregiver. I just wish God had someone for everyone.
Hi Rob,
In regards to the phrase highlighted: You are SO preaching to the choir on that one! :) May God help us both in that department.
In Him,
John
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John, with the help of all the great people on here, and with Gods help, I'll get thru this..WE will get thru this!!
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I FEEL sooo privileged to have started this thread and see HOW MANY people have been helped!
Thank you for letting me GIVE BACK--when I have TAKEN SO MUCH!
This has changed my whole life and religious outlook--how could I EVER thank Ray, the moderators and you to the extent that I feel? I can't!
I did verify from Kat that I DID contribute by coining the term for us "B-Ter's" --so that pleases me also!!
In Christ,
Duane
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Hudson...by the look on your face in the posted picture---it looks like you found her!!! LOl Duane
Hehe. Yeah, it's a great pic. Love that scene from Aliens.
Though.. ya know if i did end up finding her, I bet my look of utter disbelief might resemble that mug shot.. lol
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wow....I am at a loss..(well, you know that is not true)..but my heart is hurting for you all..
I have been married to one man for 38 years. I have no reason to give why the Lord blessed me that way.
BUT...
I remember at age 24 or 25 praying/thinking....GUESS I AM NEVER GONNA GET MARRIED...GOD MUST WANT ME TO BE A MISSIONARY IN AFRICA....and I "think" I made peace w/ that...yet always thinking...
everyday has new mercies in it....every new day would be a great day in the Lord!!
and well...next thing I know I am planning a wedding...so fast my head was spinning! To my best friend for 3 years who clearly stated that all the time (subtly telling me I wasnt the ONE for him)
;D ;D but God always knows best and has the best timing...
Don't know what you guys/gals have in store but TRUST in Him who is EVER TRUSTWORTHY!! Read Paul and meditate on his life as a single man...look at what all he did for the Lord.
Get out and LIVE life...don't give into temptation of "pity parties", or "why me" (I am just saying- B-Ters probably don't do that anyway)...volunteer-helping others....
Why am I saying this???? BECAUSE I am 63 years young and I don't want to see young lives wasted away w/ what-ifs
TRUST AND LOVE GOD W/ DEEDS AS WELL AS THOUGHTS....ya never know who is waiting around the corner for you...
thanks guys for trusting the forum w/ your heartfelt thoughts and desires...
love you all!!
gEna
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gena, you are an awesome sister-woman friend! reading your post, i could actually feel your heart in each word. thank you for sharing your words of experience.
claudia
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Thanks Claudia!
I guess what I REALLY wanted to say was....
THIS LIFE PASSES BY SOOOOOOO QUICKLY! I am 63 and can remember my 20's like it was just the other day!!!
Life is a precious gift from God...His mercies are NEW everymorning!!!
:-* ;)
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Gena, thanks for your kind thoughts. I'm thrilled you are a happily married person. Please don't let your heart hurt for me. lol
I saw a post that Dave in Tenn wrote in the last six months, and he said something to the effect of: "I'm not a victim of anything." I respect you a lot, Dave, but when I read that I felt the blood in the capillaries in my face pulsate. Who knew it felt so good to feel sorry for myself and to dwell on the things I didn't have? It was bad drama but it was at least some drama Nobody loves me, boo hoo. (Oh, I could put on a show!! I think I missed my calling as an actress.) ;D
But Dave's right. Thank you, Dave!
The devil loves to get me where it hurts me most: Fear of abandonment and vanity. Not a recipe for happiness. lol I've been told I've got self-control. I may have self-control in the relative sense and I thank God for it if I do.
I have to make a conscious effort to remind myself that being single has its good points, too, because it does!
We can either go through life feeling so lonely (which as Ray pointed out in a recent email is only a feeling and a subjective one at that), or go through life believing that God is not feeling sorry for us.
Who here hasn't fallen prey to the Hollywood Joker:
"All alone, aren't you? HA! Well, keep that up and you're not gonna like yourself a whole lot, I can tell ya that right now. And I am going to help you make it to that destination."
When you're fearful and depressed, spending money on things you can't afford and don't need and / or ingesting harmful substances, etc., to make yourself feel better and, therefore, more valuable in the eyes of the world helps a lot! (I kid.)
But isn't it true that there will be no marriage in the kingdom (unless you count the church being the "bride" of Christ which doesn't count literally lol ) because we will be like the angels--asexual -- neither male, nor female, right? Would it be ridiculous to desire that it be possible that God is teaching some of us to learn to like that idea--in the here and now?
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Great thoughts Gina. ;D
I am sure God is a Homeopath. :D
You get more of the same till you get over it. ;D
Arc
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Word!
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I always thought that the church was called "the bride of Christ" because they were always SQUABBLING! :-)
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Not arguing with that, Duane!
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Gena, thanks for your kind thoughts. I'm thrilled you are a happily married person. Please don't let your heart hurt for me. lol
I saw a post that Dave in Tenn wrote in the last six months, and he said something to the effect of: "I'm not a victim of anything." I respect you a lot, Dave, but when I read that I felt the blood in the capillaries in my face pulsate. Who knew it felt so good to feel sorry for myself and to dwell on the things I didn't have? It was bad drama but it was at least some drama Nobody loves me, boo hoo. (Oh, I could put on a show!! I think I missed my calling as an actress.) ;D
But Dave's right. Thank you, Dave!
The devil loves to get me where it hurts me most: Fear of abandonment and vanity. Not a recipe for happiness. lol I've been told I've got self-control. I may have self-control in the relative sense and I thank God for it if I do.
I have to make a conscious effort to remind myself that being single has its good points, too, because it does!
We can either go through life feeling so lonely (which as Ray pointed out in a recent email is only a feeling and a subjective one at that), or go through life believing that God is not feeling sorry for us.
Who here hasn't fallen prey to the Hollywood Joker:
"All alone, aren't you? HA! Well, keep that up and you're not gonna like yourself a whole lot, I can tell ya that right now. And I am going to help you make it to that destination."
When you're fearful and depressed, spending money on things you can't afford and don't need and / or ingesting harmful substances, etc., to make yourself feel better and, therefore, more valuable in the eyes of the world helps a lot! (I kid.)
But isn't it true that there will be no marriage in the kingdom (unless you count the church being the "bride" of Christ which doesn't count literally lol ) because we will be like the angels--asexual -- neither male, nor female, right? Would it be ridiculous to desire that it be possible that God is teaching some of us to learn to like that idea--in the here and now?
Angels are asexual? How do you know? Do you have two or three scriptures that say so? Jesus said that we will neither marry or be given in marriage. Jesus didn't say no sex.
God made us male and female. Two basic models. Scriptures seem to show that we will be male and female in the times to come. God created sex. Are we to assume that male and female and sexual relations between the two, are just for the present ages? Are there two or three scriptures that prove that?
Will there be male and female and sexual relations between the two in the times to come? Maybe not. :( Then again, maybe so. :-* ;D ;D ;D
Who knows the mind or plans of God? I believe we know very little of what is to come. But, I don't think it will be boring.
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This is mind blowing material ~ ;D :D
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John, your "maybe not" :( "then again maybe so" :) :) :) brought a smile to my face..thanks man!! Your use of the icons in this matter was priceless!!
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Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in Heaven.
We can assume that here Jesus is speaking about the first resurrection to life in this Scripture, because to be "as the angels" would mean that one is spirit, as "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom."
1Co 15:50 And I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God,
Now the rest of mankind would be raised back in the flesh as Ray has taught, so for them it would be a different matter. But for those in the first resurrection they are to be raised to be spirit, and I do not think they would be preoccupied with fleshly matters such as sex. I don't think those in the first resurrection would have fleshly desires at all, that's what being spirit means to me, not being hampered by the weaknesses of the carnal flesh. The Elect would have enough to do being about the Father's business of ruling with Christ :)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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I think the scriptures that Kat brought forth, seal the deal for me. I do not believe there is sex, at least the way we understand it, for the spiritual body. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, because flesh is carnal, temporary, and earthly. The spiritual mind and body is NOT carnal, not temporary, not earthly. The flesh is weak, selfish, carnal, full of hidden corrupt desires. It cannot live forever, it must die.
And just speaking straight on...Sex always has a component of lust involved. In fact, I do not believe it is possible for climax to take place without lust being involved. , Psa 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. This is true ON MANY LEVELS
yes this verse has higher spiritual meanings too, but I think if you ask enough people, and they are honest, they would reveal that sex at its core, does have an element of selfish desire. Even the act that pro created all of us earthly fleshly beings, even if done in a loving marraige relationship, that act included desires that are intrinsically or inherently pleasurable because of lustful desires.
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Thanks, Kat and Doug.
JFK: You're a crack-up. Please enjoy the "hold" music while I formulate my response? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEtcoyeM3_k&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEtcoyeM3_k&feature=related)
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Not to turm this into sex education class or anything, but God created the human orgasm as one of the most pleasurable things we as humanbeings can experience. It's such an intence feeling of pleasure that we can only stand it for mere seconds, almost an out of body experience..very spirtual. I'm single, and if I am for the rest of my life I'll be missing out on this experience. Wonder what God will replace it with.
I hope you guys to see this post as being crass..just thinking out loud!!
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Hi, Rob
I'm not easily offended. I see what you're saying. I beg to differ slightly; I believe you mean it is THE most pleasurable thing anyone can experience.
Mind if I ask you some questions, JFK? (By the way, John, thanks so much for the challenge. I find looking up scripture to your questions most, um....stimulating, lol, and not boring AT ALL! I hope you and I will be in agreement when we're finished! ;) ;) ;D)
1. Why would men then choose to make themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom?
SCRIPTURAL BACKING: Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
2. Why is that verse of scripture I gave you insufficient? I mean, why would it be truer to you if I'd supplied you with two or three more? But I respect your right to question and so I will give you what you require.
Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage
Luke 20:36 for neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
3. How can we be having sex outside of marriage?
4. Have you not read that it is only when we are emotionally intertwined (not physically intertwined) that we become one?
(Comment: I've heard more than one man tell me (three, to be exact) that they can have sex with a woman and experience the "happy ending," if you will, and not even have to LIKE her. No emotional intertwining goin' on there. Yes, there are women out there who've done the same thing.)
You said, scripture seems to indicate that we will be male and female in the times to come.
5. How then do we explain this: Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. When it says there is NEITHER male nor female, am I supposed to conclude that there IS male and female? I'm seriously asking.
6. I would call having our tears wiped away and having no more sorrow--ECSTASY; what would you call it: Boring? ;)
7. Nome sayin?
Anyway, I love you John, and trust me, I've FELT your grief. And I'll bet you a million dollars it won't be boring.
Gina
p.s. This was fun!!
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Hi All,
Some further thoughts/questions....
1. If marriage is a holy institution by God for physical humans on Earth, maybe there is a spiritual equivalent existing in Heaven for spiritual beings ? (probably excepting angels who are asexual.) 1Peter 3:7 hints that husband & wife will be heirs together of the grace of life (in the resurrection.)
2. If there is a Father God, could there a female companion or equivalent who is always in the background ? Prov 8: 22-23 & 30-31 hints of a companion who was at the Lord's side from the very beginning.
As above, so below?
Jong
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I believe there's not an equivalent to what we know as the "marriage bed."
Jesus said, by three different accounts, there will be no marriage or giving in marriage.
No marriage. No sex.
John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
I always think of the song: "To know, know, know him is to love, love, love him" when I read that.
It's going to be ecstasy. But NOT the ecstasy you find in a bedroom or on the street. Much, much purer. Infinitesimally purer.
John 20:20 So saying, He showed them His hands and His side. And when the disciples saw the Lord, they were filled with joy (delight, exultation, ecstasy, rapture).
Imagine what it will be like then!
Good questions.
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Gina
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Hi Gina,
Christ said there will be no "marriage" because all marriages in the bible as well as today are "until death do you part"
Romans 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of husband.
In the resurrection life, there will be no more death.
Of course, God will be the center of our lives, but we probably will have our own little circles of holy relationships also ??
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I wonder if "the marriage bed" (to put it delicately) isn't just God's "escape" for the lust of the flesh. It's the fulfillment of 1 Cor 10:13 in the avenue of "burning passions." It's the permissible outlet for those lustful desires. It's the only orgasm that doesn't have guilt or shame attached to it. I could put it in plain language, but that would border on vulgarity. :)
It does have the added benefit of producing more children for Him at the same time - good purpose :)
Just throwing my two mites into the conversation :)
In Him,
John
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We have to separate the needs/desires that are wrapped up in our physical/fleshly bodies, and realize it will not be the same in the spiritual realm. That is a higher realm and state of being and we will no longer have the pulls of the carnal flesh that cause us so much misery, pain and suffering. Even if there is a degree of pleasure to be found in this flesh, to try and say or think that that is anywhere near as good as one second of the glory of being spiritually alive seems to be ridiculous to me.
Jong, yes Christ (God) does have a bride that He is very much committed to and the Elect is that bride being prepared in this life. When we finally go to the marriage supper, which represents the kingdom we will then be united with Christ and not be subject to the needs/pulls of the flesh any longer.
Rev 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
now we are being prepared and still are subject to the flesh, but as the bride of Christ that shows where the Elect will be spiritually commitment in every way. I believe that is a different love than the physical love we have here, a much deeper all consumming perfect kind of love that we just can have in the flesh.
Rev 19:6 And I heard as the sound of a great multitude, and as the sound of many waters, and as the sound of strong thunders, saying, Hallelujah! For the Lord God omnipotent reigns!
v. 7 Let us be glad and rejoice and we will give glory to Him. For the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has prepared herself.
v. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white. For the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints.
v. 9 And he said to me, Write, Blessed are those who have been called to the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he said to me, These are the true sayings of God.
1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
v. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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John Michael...I think you hit it right on the head. Kat..very nice, as always.
Just by using a natural analogy that I think is appropriate...whatever pleasures the caterpillar has, in his blind terrestrial confined space on the food plant he munches on and loves so much...he hasn't a clue what the freedom and arboreal existence of the butterfly which he will someday be, he has no clue as to how much different and better life is on a much higher plane.
You cannot even compare what we are to what we will be. Sex will be absolutely unimportant and frankly, not missed. I don't think the butterfly misses chewing leaves compared to drinking nectar and the freedom of flight, and the beauty of what they are now...
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Hi Gina,
Christ said there will be no "marriage" because all marriages in the bible as well as today are "until death do you part"
Romans 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of husband.
In the resurrection life, there will be no more death.
Of course, God will be the center of our lives, but we probably will have our own little circles of holy relationships also ??
haha! No. Because think about it. Babies have died and never had gotten married. When they are resurrected, they will not marry or be given in marriage. Sex is not everything there is, and besides, it's a shadow of something much grander and much purer. Do we want the shadow or the One who casts the shadow? (And, no, I don't mean we'll be having sex with Christ. But whatever Paul saw in the trance he fell into must have been NO match for sex, otherwise Paul would have never said, it would be better if you didn't marry (not that you couldn't marry). How about Jesus? He obviously knows there's something grander than sex / marriage. He went to His death never having had it. Not having sex is not what killed Him. ;)
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I don't think the butterfly misses chewing leaves compared to drinking nectar and the freedom of flight, and the beauty of what they are now...
Whoa!!! Now you're talkin!
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1Co 15:28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.
To me, those 6 words in bold sum it all up. What need of sex would we have when all of God is in all of us? How much closer communion would/could there be, than complete union with God and with each other? If I am filled to the fullness with Him, would I really need anything else? If I am completely satisfied with Him, do I need something like sex?
Sex, for all its pleasures, is intinsically carnal, earthly, physical, and selfish; it was a good way that God could illustrate to carnal loving minds the POTENTIAL oneness and the closeness of love. It is merely a shadow of the much deeper and greater oneness that will be between God and man and everyone with each other. And this oneness will not have jealousy, not have any selfishness associated with it at all.
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Looks like this topic has run its course. Let's move on.