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Just thinking out loud here
Has anyone ever noticed that the Word of God NEVER mentions or even hints at this. This is probably the only thing that is never even hinted at in the Word. Unless someone can think of a scripture that i havent noticed.
The closest i got is this:
Jer 13:23 - Show Context
Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.
Like i said in another thread before-- the Word has an answer for everything in life, to every question that man can think of, save...
1Co 2:9 - Show Context
However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him"--
But at least with this verse we are given little hints here and there, but nothing on time travel
Anyways
Anthony
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That's because God never met Doc. Brown. See, it was Doc. Brown that invented the flux capacitor. Without this device, God just won't be able to correct His mistakes. And besides, only the Doc. can really show God how to use such a device, correctly. For instance, let's say God wanted to fix Adam and Eve's screw up at the garden. No problem, says God. I'll just steal Doc's Delorean, set it for late on day 6, drive the car at a speed of 88 miles an hour, track down Adam and Eve, and say "hey, I'm not kidding you two, don't!!, I repeat, don't!! eat out of that tree". "That one, you see it? Hello, Adam? Eve? (God condescendingly knocks on their heads, irritating them.) Got it?!!!" Adam and Eve both say "yes". "But God?. . . . .don't you see that there are two of you now?" That's right, God would run into himself back in the garden. There would be two God's in the garden, looking at each other. All because he didn't listen to Doc. Brown's warning about how to use the time machine.
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That's because God never met Doc. Brown. See, it was Doc. Brown that invented the flux capacitor. Without this device, God just won't be able to correct His mistakes. And besides, only the Doc. can really show God how to use such a device, correctly. For instance, let's say God wanted to fix Adam and Eve's screw up at the garden. No problem, says God. I'll just steal Doc's Delorean, set it for late on day 6, drive the car at a speed of 88 miles an hour, track down Adam and Eve, and say "hey, I'm not kidding you two, don't!!, I repeat, don't!! eat out of that tree". "That one, you see it? Hello, Adam? Eve? (God condescendingly knocks on their heads, irritating them." Got it?!!! Adam and Eve both say "yes". "But God?. . . . .don't you see that there are two of you now?" That's right, God would run into himself back in the garden. There would be two God's in the garden, looking at each other. All because he didn't listen to Doc. Brown's warning about how to use the time machine.
I'm laughing so hard my eyes are watering... :D
Marques
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That's because God never met Doc. Brown. See, it was Doc. Brown that invented the flux capacitor. Without this device, God just won't be able to correct His mistakes. And besides, only the Doc. can really show God how to use such a device, correctly. For instance, let's say God wanted to fix Adam and Eve's screw up at the garden. No problem, says God. I'll just steal Doc's Delorean, set it for late on day 6, drive the car at a speed of 88 miles an hour, track down Adam and Eve, and say "hey, I'm not kidding you two, don't!!, I repeat, don't!! eat out of that tree". "That one, you see it? Hello, Adam? Eve? (God condescendingly knocks on their heads, irritating them.) Got it?!!!" Adam and Eve both say "yes". "But God?. . . . .don't you see that there are two of you now?" That's right, God would run into himself back in the garden. There would be two God's in the garden, looking at each other. All because he didn't listen to Doc. Brown's warning about how to use the time machine.
ROTFLOL
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I time travel.
Times moves on into the future and takes me with it!
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Glad to see I'm not the only one who grew up on Back to the Future...
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The 80s, man!!
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The world's shortest Science fiction story: The world ended - yesterday!
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(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb205/Akira329/noname4.jpg)
Me and a co-worker saw this in our work storage area, we took a lot of pictures!!
Awesome!
Also time travel is just another free-will myth.
Enjoy the photo guys!
Antaiwan
P.S. I think I saw a flux capacity seating in the passenger seat.
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Mr 10:27 But Jesus looked at them and said, "With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible."
Joh 6:64 "But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.
Ec 3:1 To everything there is a season, A time for every purpose under heaven:
Ec 3:2 A time to be born, And a time to die; A time to plant, And a time to pluck what is planted;
Ec 3:3 A time to kill, And a time to heal; A time to break down, And a time to build up;
Ec 3:4 A time to weep, And a time to laugh; A time to mourn, And a time to dance;
Ec 3:5 A time to cast away stones, And a time to gather stones; A time to embrace, And a time to refrain from embracing;
Ec 3:6 A time to gain, And a time to lose; A time to keep, And a time to throw away;
Ec 3:7 A time to tear, And a time to sew; A time to keep silence, And a time to speak;
Ec 3:8 A time to love, And a time to hate; A time of war, And a time of peace.
Ec 3:11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their hearts, except that no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end.
Ec 3:14 I know that whatever God does, It shall be forever. Nothing can be added to it, And nothing taken from it. God does it, that men should fear before Him.
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Time is an element of physical creation. God is outside of time. But God is the master of Space and Time
(Act 8:38) And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
(Act 8:39) And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away (seized)Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. (Look at the map in the back of your Bible...why mention this )
(Act 8:40) But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.
Jesus with the two on the road
(Luk 24:30) And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and broke, and gave to them.
(Luk 24:31) And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
and then later
(Luk 24:36) And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Then John adds.
(Joh 20:19) Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
(Joh 20:20) And when he had so said, he showed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
and then he did it again
(Joh 20:26) And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace, be unto you.
Why did His appearance change...he was seen as a gardner, a stranger by the two on the road and Peter a the gang did not recognize him on the shore as he talked with them.
In relation to time
Jos 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
Did the physical sun not go down or did the "Light of God shine so brite to obscure the night? see the next verse where God tells Isaiah of this
Isa 60:20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.
But then here is another aspect
(2Ki 20:9) And Isaiah said, This sign shalt thou have of the LORD, that the LORD will do the thing that he hath spoken: shall the shadow go forward ten degrees, or go back ten degrees?
(2Ki 20:10) And Hezekiah answered, It is a light thing for the shadow to go down ten degrees: nay, but let the shadow return backward ten degrees.
(2Ki 20:11) And Isaiah the prophet cried unto the LORD: and he brought the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone down in the dial of Ahaz.
Did God rotate the earth or alter what they saw,
From God's point of view there is micro and macro environments of men.
(2Pe 3:8) But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
Since God created time and space , it is His to do with it as He will
Beloved
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WoW...really enjoyed everything here!
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That Delorean looks like it travelled back in time and got smashed by a wooly mammoth.
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I am surprised at that question, the entire Scriptures is about time and space travel.
Just read it with some understanding of how God operates.
3 examples:
1. Before abraham was I Am. :o
2. The Beginning and The End. ::)
3. I am With You Always. :'(
If these are not proof what is; the earth is supposed to be 4.5 billion years old.
The Creation 13 to 16.7 billion years old; if not time travel what? ???
George.
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(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb205/Akira329/noname4.jpg)
Me and a co-worker saw this in our work storage area, we took a lot of pictures!!
Awesome!
Also time travel is just another free-will myth.
Enjoy the photo guys!
Antaiwan
P.S. I think I saw a flux capacity seating in the passenger seat.
How do we know that's the present-day Antaiwan? How do we know that you didn't travel to the past, have your past self (who was steeped in Babylon) steal the DeLorean, and come back to replace you?
As soon as you start talking about tithing 10% of our salary, soul winning, and going to hell, we'll know what happened. I'll have the mods watching you closely...whoever you are. 8)
Marques ;D
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Fester I am intrigued with your avitar and little quote.
Cannot figure it out and I am trying to put it togethere but it looks like some kind of guinea pig or rabbit with a pancake on its head and it is wearing some kind of chasity belt. ;D
Your remark about travel to the future made me remember something...if we are moving to the future then .......each of us have left a long "worm like " trail of atoms in space and time since we were born. The earth has been rotating on its own axis and also moving around the sun and our galaxy moving in the milky way an on and on.
Beloved
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Marques you will just have to trust that I am what I am!!LOL
Let the church say amen!! Will a man rob God?............ ;D
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Marques you will just have to trust that I am what I am!!LOL
Let the church say amen!! Will a man rob God?............ ;D
I knew it!!!!!! :D
Marques
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So many time in the past I wished I could have traveled back in time and undo all the stupid things that I've done, but I now know that I would just be undoing all God's handy work and His plan for my life.
Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't change anything because it could only be second best.
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So many time in the past I wished I could have traveled back in time and undo all the stupid things that I've done, but I now know that I would just be undoing all God's handy work and His plan for my life.
Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't change anything because it could only be second best.
I agree with you, Martinez. I used to wish I could go back and change my life I have know so I wouldn't have all the hardships, but knowing what I know now I wouldn't change a thing. God's plan isn't finished yet so why should I change it midway through.
With God's love and understanding,
Pam
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So many time in the past I wished I could have traveled back in time and undo all the stupid things that I've done, but I now know that I would just be undoing all God's handy work and His plan for my life.
Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't change anything because it could only be second best.
Hey Martinez,
I've often felt like you do in the above. Although we can't go back in time driving the Delorean to undo the stupid things we have done and said, God will undo them for us and clean us up.
Also, I love Science Fiction, there was a show from the 1960's called TIME TUNNEL, that I enjoyed to watch.
Samson.
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Not me, I am where I am right now because God planned for everyhting that has happened to me.
(Psa 139:2) Thou, hast observed my downsitting and mine uprising, Thou hast given heed to my desire, from afar:
(Psa 139:3) My path and my couch, hast thou examined, and, all my ways, thou well knowest.
(Psa 139:4) Surely there hath not been a word on my tongue, but behold! O Yahweh, thou hast observed it on every side.
(Psa 139:5) Behind and before, hast thou shut me in, and hast laid upon me thy hand:-
(Psa 139:6) Knowledge, too wonderful, for me! high, I cannot attain to it!
(Psa 139:7) Whither can I go from thy spirit? or whither, from thy face, can I flee?
(Psa 139:8) If I ascend the heavens, there, thou art! If I spread out hades as my couch, behold thee!
(Psa 139:9) If I mount the wings of the dawn, settle down in the region beyond the sea,
(Psa 139:10) Even there, thy hand shall lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
(Psa 139:11) If I say, Surely, darkness, shall cover me! then, night, is light about me.
(Psa 139:12) Even darkness, will not conceal from thee,-but, night, like day, will shine, So is the darkness, as the light!
(Psa 139:13) For, thou, didst possess thyself of my reins, thou didst weave me together in the womb of my mother.
(Psa 139:14) I thank thee, in that fearfully was my being distinguished, Wonderful are thy works, and, mine own soul, is observing them intently!
(Psa 139:15) My substance was not hid from thee,-when I was made in secret, when I was skilfully figured in the lower parts of the earth.
(Psa 139:16) Mine unfinished substance, thine eyes beheld, and, in thy book, all the parts thereof were written,-the days they should be fashioned! while yet there was not one among them.
(Psa 139:17) To me, then, how precious have thy desires become, O GOD! How numerous, the heads of them!
beloved
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I am surprised at that question, the entire Scriptures is about time and space travel.
Just read it with some understanding of how God operates.
3 examples:
1. Before abraham was I Am. :o
2. The Beginning and The End. ::)
3. I am With You Always. :'(
If these are not proof what is; the earth is supposed to be 4.5 billion years old.
The Creation 13 to 16.7 billion years old; if not time travel what? ???
George.
Sorry i wasnt specific enough. The ability to travel back in time--the only way we can actually do this is by reading His Word but to actually be able to do it is not mentioned
And i agree with some of the posts here--if we could i wouldnt want to change a thing.
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We do not yet have that ability, but God does since He is not tied to time.
If You are the Beginning and The End and Are Spirit what is the limit.
Physical versus Spiritual we (Believers) are in transition and will be Like
Christ who is the Same As The Father.
The reason for my previous post is to show that even though it is not
explicitly stated in any scripture, the big bang is also not explicitly stated.
George.
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You know, I'm not sure time even exists.
I think "time" is just man's way of measuring the ordering things, that is, putting the things that have happened and will happen into a specific order.
Just because things seem to happen in a specific order that seems to imply "time" doesn't necessarily mean that there is "time" and maybe that is what makes time travel impossible because "time" doesn't really exist, and if it doesn't really exist, that would certainly explain why We have not control over it.
Maybe since time doesn't really exist, it isn't time that makes things happen in order at all but God who cause's things to happen in order.
Maybe that is why people have such a hard time understanding how God See's the beginning from the end, because He doesn't see it in the context of "time" because it is Him causing things to occur in a given order.
Maybe God is not constrained by "time" because "time doesn't exist!
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God is Not constrained by time because He Exists Out of time. All came out of Him, He did not come out of All.
Geo.
You know, I'm not sure time even exists.
I think "time" is just man's way of measuring the ordering things, that is, putting the things that have happened and will happen into a specific order.
Just because things seem to happen in a specific order that seems to imply "time" doesn't necessarily mean that there is "time" and maybe that is what makes time travel impossible because "time" doesn't really exist, and if it doesn't really exist, that would certainly explain why We have not control over it.
Maybe since time doesn't really exist, it isn't time that makes things happen in order at all but God who cause's things to happen in order.
Maybe that is why people have such a hard time understanding how God See's the beginning from the end, because He doesn't see it in the context of "time" because it is Him causing things to occur in a given order.
Maybe God is not constrained by "time" because "time doesn't exist!
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Anthony
I think this scripture might be referring to time travel. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord………….LOL…….I thought I would have some fun wit this too. :)
In His Love. Richard.
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God is Not constrained by time because He Exists Out of time. All came out of Him, He did not come out of All.
Geo.
You know, I'm not sure time even exists.
I think "time" is just man's way of measuring the ordering things, that is, putting the things that have happened and will happen into a specific order.
Just because things seem to happen in a specific order that seems to imply "time" doesn't necessarily mean that there is "time" and maybe that is what makes time travel impossible because "time" doesn't really exist, and if it doesn't really exist, that would certainly explain why We have not control over it.
Maybe since time doesn't really exist, it isn't time that makes things happen in order at all but God who cause's things to happen in order.
Maybe that is why people have such a hard time understanding how God See's the beginning from the end, because He doesn't see it in the context of "time" because it is Him causing things to occur in a given order.
Maybe God is not constrained by "time" because "time doesn't exist!
Not to be argumentative, but i think "God is Not constrained by time because He Exists Out of time." is another one of those babylon teachings that doesnt fit scripture. Its always referred to as ages (beginning) or some kind of time period when it is applied to Jesus (not everlasting), now to the Father i do not know. I guess you could say before the Father formed Jesus/Jehovah there was no time--Just my guess there, but when applied to Jesus/Jehovah there is always some kind of connection with time.
Anthony
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I have enjoyed the humor in the idea of time travel, but on a serious note.
I think God has given us the precept of time so that the squences of the physical can be understood. We are born, grow old and die, this is life, a squence in time. Time gives us a prespective on the order of things that so we can learn from our experiences, we remember pass events as something that has already happened. We know we are now in the present, not pass or future, it is a concept of the mind/intellect. So time works to give us an order to the events we experience, but I think it serves a physical purpose only.
In the realm of the third heaven there would be no time, Because God bridges the gap of time, He is the "I Am." God is able to see the end from the beginning, He describe Himself as "The One who is and who was and who is to be."
It is quite difficult to imagine being in the realm of timelessness, isn't that what the kingdom will be like.
Here is an analogy Ray uses.
If you want to come up with an analogy of where God is in His own realm, as far as time goes. The closes physical analogy you could come up with is a circle. Not starting back there and going this way, that way is the past and this way is the future. Now if the realm of eternity is as a circle, can somebody point to where eternity begins on a circle? Can anyone show me, on this circle, where eternity ends? You can’t, can you.
Now I’ll give you another little mind boggler, not only can you not show me where it begins or where it ends, I’m telling you it has no beginning and it has no end. It doesn’t move in a circle, it is a circle. Therefore time has nothing to do with eternity. Even your dictionaries most of them, not all, say eternity is an endless period. Eternity has nothing to do with time, time starts here and goes to there. Eternity is like a circle, you can’t find the beginning and you can’t find the end. Because it has no beginning and it has no end. Therefore in that sense a circle is ultimate truth.http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=3720.0 ----
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Maybe the difference between existence here and in "eternity" is that there is no such thing as corruption, decay and death.
I mean really think about it, what would be the difference between living in a world with "time" and world outside of "time", I mean really, what would you notice?
Things wouldn't really change from a perspective of things getting older and decaying.
Let me point out that I'm only throwing around ideas, this isn't some little doctrine of mine.
The thing is though that the whole God existing outside of time and indeed the whole time thing itself is based on conventional wisdom which does make me extremely suspicious of it!
I guess the question here is, if God is sovereign, just how sovereign is He?
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Well, I heard that god tried to invent the flux capacitor. Instead, he accidentally invented. . . . the um. . . . . flux. . . . decatheter.
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Wrong Paleface (To borrow from Ray) joyful1 invented the flux de~capacitor decatheter).
At least that is what i learned from the last trip in the September 20th Teleportation device
when Joyce allowed the Fusactor to overcharge. :o
Geo. ???
Well, I heard that god tried to invent the flux capacitor. Instead, he accidentally invented. . . . the um. . . . . flux. . . . decatheter.
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Somebody posted a time lapse pic of the night sky recently. Looked at from that perspective, there wasn't much darnkess at all.
Time is relative to position, and all of us have experienced the apparent slow or fast movement of time. IT may be constant, but the way we experience it is anything but.
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Time is just a measurement that we use, it's not a physical thing that you can touch, interact with or manipulate in any way.
We have hours and days and weeks and months etc. but they are (like dave said) relative to where we are. A day on another planet is not the same as a day on earth.
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ok it's sunday 11:46 am on earth and tuesday 3:72on jupiter, what day and time is it
on pluto and where is phoebe's 3rd moon? Ok saturn's farthest moon.
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For a planet It depends on its size and spin. The time it takes a planet to revolve on itself determines the time in one day. Then if you devide into 4 sectors and then do that two more times, you get 12 sectors..a hour. You cannot really compare planets based on only one clock, if you do it time is relative.
From another perspective time seems to go by differently at different times in life.
For a 4 yr child a month can seem like forever. It is 1/48 of its present life, a year is 1/4 of their life.. Younger children do not have any concept of time and hour can seem like an awful long time. With a baby, one minute from when they decde they are hungry a minute is like eternity.
If you are fifty yrs old, a year is 1/50th of their life , a month will seem to be getting shorter too as we age, woops there goes another one ;D, for that person 1 month is only 1/600 of their life...so you see the month hasn't changed just the person's perspective....time is relative and as you age, time can fly.
beloved
beloved
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Ok, but where is phoebe's third moon. Beloved that was a great answer now find the moon please.
::) :-* geo.
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I am not sure what you are talking about , third moon? did you look under the bed?
Phoebe is one of the moons of Saturn...look at her
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap060212.html
Moons do not have moons. She has had too many "moons" run into her..look what one big one did, she lopsided now.
The poor thing, she is going to be so full of inpact craters there will be very little of her mantel left. She is going to be pulverized if she stays in saturn with all of that debris.
beloved
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That is why i have not been able to find Her, wrong planet and timeline.
LOL, geo.
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The funny thing that someone pointed out to me once about conventional time travel ideas, is that even if you did mangage to make time travel work, if you didn't work out where the earth was in space at that particular time, you would appear somewhere in outer space because the earth doesn't stay in the same place, it moves around the sun.
But no one ever seems to think about that!
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No problem work it out before you leave, get a map or buy a gps system.
Geo.
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Did anyone read "A Wrinkle in Time" the children's book when they were young? I remember in the story, time travel was called a tesseract. That was a pretty cool book as I remember it.
Love in Christ,
Vangie
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Excerpt from (A Wrinkle in Time)
Mrs Whatsit, Mrs Who, and Mrs Which turn out to be transcendental beings who transport Meg, Charles Wallace,
and Calvin through the galaxy by means of tesseract, a fifth dimensional concept which is explained as being similar
to folding the fabric of space and time. The "Mrs W's" reveal to the children that the galaxy is under attack from a
dark cloud, which is the visible manifestation of evil. Meg's missing father was working on a secret government project
to achieve faster-than-light travel by tesseract, and accidentally wound up on Camazotz, an alien planet inside the
"Black Thing". The children also discover that Earth is partially covered by the darkness, although great religious figures,
philosophers, and artists are fighting against it. They also learn that Mrs Whatsit was a star who exploded in an act of
self-sacrifice to fight the darkness.
Cute & Wrinkled Time, Geo.
Did anyone read "A Wrinkle in Time" the children's book when they were young? I remember in the story, time travel was called a tesseract. That was a pretty cool book as I remember it.
Love in Christ,
Vangie
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Ahh I love it when God gives me an "eureka" moment...
luke 9:62 Jesus replied, "No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God."
and
Matt 9:16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse. 17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved
Well these verses arent directly stating time travel but its close enough. It also reminds of the Lots wife looking back.
Anthony
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Hmmm, interesting correlation Anthony. :)