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Hi everyone,
I want to share a link to a picture that is on hubblesite.org, it is a picture of the Orion nebulae and it is what I would term a picture message. Within the picture are many images of beings and parts of beings. I want you to pray for your eyes to be opened to what is contained in the picture and also for wisdom to understand what it signifies. I found the picture several years ago at the time it was first released. At the time I saw it I was impressed that there was something in the picture that God wanted me to see. As I studied the picture I began to see more and more of what was in it. The other fascinating thing to me is that one image in the picture was revealed to me in the clouds when I was a teenager there were two friends with me at that time and they witnessed it also and were afraid. This is the the address to the actual picture on the site. Here is the link. http://hubblesite.org/gallery/album/entire_collection/pr2006001a/
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That looks more like a sonogram of my liver.
Longhorn
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Hi everyone,
... I want you to pray for your eyes to be opened to what is contained in the picture and also for wisdom to understand what it signifies.
You want me to what???
Sorry, Harry. I have my own imagination. It has gotten me into sufficient trouble by itself.
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Hi everyone,
I want to share a link to a picture that is on hubblesite.org, it is a picture of the Orion nebulae and it is what I would term a picture message. Within the picture are many images of beings and parts of beings. I want you to pray for your eyes to be opened to what is contained in the picture and also for wisdom to understand what it signifies. I found the picture several years ago at the time it was first released. At the time I saw it I was impressed that there was something in the picture that God wanted me to see. As I studied the picture I began to see more and more of what was in it. The other fascinating thing to me is that one image in the picture was revealed to me in the clouds when I was a teenager there were two friends with me at that time and they witnessed it also and were afraid. This is the the address to the actual picture on the site. Here is the link. http://hubblesite.org/gallery/album/entire_collection/pr2006001a/
Hi Harry,
Maybe it's just my eyes (I only have one that works, and it's not to great), but I'm terrible at this kind of pattern-finding. Can you share what you see in it?
Steve
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lol.
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Hi Steve,
I think if I give a focal point and description of one of the most pronounced images it may help you to see it and begin to see some of the many others. If you use the bright white spot near the middle of the picture as a beginning point and move outward from there at about the two-oclock position (you only have to move outward maybe a 1/5 of the total distance to the edge)you will see the image of a bald headed man (Just the head) There are actually three faces/ heads in this same area. There is also a skull with it's tongue stuck out and being held by a hand in the lower right quadrant of the picture. This image is relatively large in relation to the other images. There are "many" other images contained within the picture. I don't know what the whole thing means. When I saw the image of the skull with it's tongue being held, I was reminded of the scripture where Jesus said that we will be judged by every word we speak even our idle words. I am also reminded that there would be signs in the heavens. Another thing that is helpful is not to look too closely. I think they show up better if the picture is not enlarged too much or sit back some if you do enlarge it.
Harry
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John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh [physical] profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
1 Cor 2:13-14 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Marques
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Matthew 16:4 "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign; and a sign will not be given it, except the sign of Jonah." And He left them and went away.
Rodger
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After further review, it looks like the vomitus puddle I created when I tried to cure a hangover with a pimento cheese sandwich, and two grape popsicles.
Longhorn
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Hi Steve,
I think if I give a focal point and description of one of the most pronounced images it may help you to see it and begin to see some of the many others. If you use the bright white spot near the middle of the picture as a beginning point and move outward from there at about the two-oclock position (you only have to move outward maybe a 1/5 of the total distance to the edge)you will see the image of a bald headed man (Just the head) There are actually three faces/ heads in this same area. There is also a skull with it's tongue stuck out and being held by a hand in the lower right quadrant of the picture. This image is relatively large in relation to the other images. There are "many" other images contained within the picture. I don't know what the whole thing means. When I saw the image of the skull with it's tongue being held, I was reminded of the scripture where Jesus said that we will be judged by every word we speak even our idle words. I am also reminded that there would be signs in the heavens. Another thing that is helpful is not to look too closely. I think they show up better if the picture is not enlarged too much or sit back some if you do enlarge it.
Harry
Thank you. I managed to see two "faces." Our brains are VERY GOOD at recognizing patterns, and what pattern do we have the most experience with? Human faces.
I'm not sure why this is being criticized by others quoting scriptures about signs, physical, and natural things being worthless. I think we all know that the physical is what is really temporary. But how is this picture, with a bit of personal testimony worse than Off-Topic discussions of rock music, how to have sex when your kid is home, politics, and good and bad humor? I dont' see scriptures being given on THOSE discussion topics.
Not that I wouldn't like to see you more involved, in the right way, in spiritual discussions here, once God has prepared you. But I still love to see beautiful pictures of God's creation. I love to hear the testimonies of others.
Thank you again,
Steve
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Steve, I like to look at pictures of God's creation too. And I am as interested in people's testimonies as the next guy. I wish there were more, actually. But when somebody tells a joke, we are not asked to pray and seek God for the punchline. If somebody saw the face of the Virgin Mary in their omellete, then who am I to argue? But am I to pray and ask God to show ME the sign and the meaning behind it? Should I leave them to continue following after signs if it's in my grasp to influence them differently?
At times, there are posts that elicit discussion and different points of view can be expressed as to what this means to each of us individually. Craig's post on the observation of the differences between 1957 and 2009 is a good example. That's what people do when they talk. We can take it or leave it, add to it or disagree with it. If it interests us at all, it makes us think. If Craig had started that post with the implication that he had some hidden wisdom not in Scripture that we ought to be praying and asking God for, my reaction would have been the same--expressed or not expressed.
There are also instances where from the post itself, it seems clear that the member is losing focus (or has never had it in the first place) on what is important. To rock or not to rock is not important, ultimately, for an example. If moved, we should attempt to raise the bar to that higher calling--otherwise, all we have is our own opinion and 'testimony'...both of which may be fine for you but not a 'religion' that others must follow, and leave the OP as much in the dark as when he or she asked.
It's a fine line between Godly council and spiritual one-upsmanship, but I don't think it has been crossed here.
That's the take on 'why' from my chair.
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Steve, I like to look at pictures of God's creation too. And I am as interested in people's testimonies as the next guy. I wish there were more, actually. But when somebody tells a joke, we are not asked to pray and seek God for the punchline. If somebody saw the face of the Virgin Mary in their omellete, then who am I to argue? But am I to pray and ask God to show ME the sign and the meaning behind it? Should I leave them to continue following after signs if it's in my grasp to influence them differently?
At times, there are posts that elicit discussion and different points of view can be expressed as to what this means to each of us individually. Craig's post on the observation of the differences between 1957 and 2009 is a good example. That's what people do when they talk. We can take it or leave it, add to it or disagree with it. If it interests us at all, it makes us think. If Craig had started that post with the implication that he had some hidden wisdom not in Scripture that we ought to be praying and asking God for, my reaction would have been the same--expressed or not expressed.
There are also instances where from the post itself, it seems clear that the member is losing focus (or has never had it in the first place) on what is important. To rock or not to rock is not important, ultimately, for an example. If moved, we should attempt to raise the bar to that higher calling--otherwise, all we have is our own opinion and 'testimony'...both of which may be fine for you but not a 'religion' that others must follow, and leave the OP as much in the dark as when he or she asked.
It's a fine line between Godly council and spiritual one-upsmanship, but I don't think it has been crossed here.
That's the take on 'why' from my chair.
Dave
And you want to take a back seat and deprive members of wonderful works like this......
I could not have said it any better.
Rodger
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Because THOSE discussion topics are not Showing/teaching/asking you :::
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Rodger
...when somebody tells a joke, we are not asked to pray and seek God for the punchline. If somebody saw the face of the Virgin Mary in their omellete, then who am I to argue? But am I to pray and ask God to show ME the sign and the meaning behind it? Should I leave them to continue following after signs if it's in my grasp to influence them differently?
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There are also instances where from the post itself, it seems clear that the member is losing focus (or has never had it in the first place) on what is important
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Thank you for the very clear explanation. I'm sure that God had His reasons for keeping me from discerning this on my own - probably to prompt this follow-on discussion, and thereby enlighten us all. It makes perfect sense now, and I see the difference. I wish I could say that I was purposefully playing "good cop, bad cop" to make a point, but I'm not that clever :-\ I'm just happy to have played a supporting role :)
I hope that nobody, including Harry, is looking for or worshiping graven images of any kind. Harry's original message seemed to be in the past tense, but could possibly cause a weaker brother to stumble, or Harry may be about to stumble himself. It's best that we stopped and planted both feet firmly in the Truth before that happens.
Steve
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Thank you for the very clear explanation. I'm sure that God had His reasons for keeping me from discerning this on my own - probably to prompt this follow-on discussion, and thereby enlighten us all. It makes perfect sense now, and I see the difference. I wish I could say that I was purposefully playing "good cop, bad cop" to make a point, but I'm not that clever :-\ I'm just happy to have played a supporting role :)
I hope that nobody, including Harry, is looking for or worshiping graven images of any kind. Harry's original message seemed to be in the past tense, but could be possibly cause a weaker brother to stumble, or Harry may be about to stumble himself. It's best that we stopped and planted both feet firmly in the Truth before that happens.
Steve
Not IT !! , and since i am not IT....
I now nominate Steve as Harry's Spiritual study buddy. J/k of course
Rodger
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Not IT !! , and since i am not IT....
I now nominate Steve as Harry's Spiritual study buddy. J/k of course
Rodger
Safe! I'm already touching base. I'm on a publicly declared sabbatical from teaching until God tells me otherwise.
Steve
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Hey Steve, I really tried to see something but it just looks like a really bad spoiled Easter egg to me, but if you see something I am happy for you. Don't let anyone rain on your parade. Judy
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Dear Harry,
Thanks for sharing! Fascinating picture of god's genius. I have looked at this picture before, but I never thought to look for images. Now that I have looked a little harder I can see everything you mentioned and then some. Very cool! I want to say that I would not worry too much about what the images mean. I find it no different than looking up at the sky and seeing a cloud shaped like an alligator. I am absolutely astounded by the intimate detail god has put into his creations. The way sunlight dances on top of water would be a good example of what I am talking about here. These things assure me that god has all the details worked out for my life as well. I find it amazing that god can run this vast universe, and still find time to put pictures in the Orion Nebula that he foreknew would be photographed by the Hubble telescope and enjoyed by us. This gives me marvelous insight into god's creative and humorous personality. By the way Harry, I hope you have found a career you can put this imagination of yours into good use.
Thanks,
Britt
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After further review, it looks like the vomitus puddle I created when I tried to cure a hangover with a pimento cheese sandwich, and two grape popsicles.
Longhorn
longhorn. i have missed you more than i knew. your humor is priceless. you are probably one of the funniest human beings i have ever heard. your post was way more interesting than trying to find some faces in the nebulus...
don't ever change.
claudia
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Here's one for Longhorn!
http://www.magiceye.com/gallery/011509s.html (http://www.magiceye.com/gallery/011509s.html)
Remember these?
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Here's one for Longhorn!
http://www.magiceye.com/gallery/011509s.html (http://www.magiceye.com/gallery/011509s.html)
Remember these?
Now I feel discriminated against. As a person with only one eye, it is impossible for me to discern the contents of Magic Eye drawings. I demand equal and fair treatment, under the law. I demand that these discriminatory art displays cease and desist immediately!
jk,
Steve
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Sorry Steve--how rude of me! :o
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Harry,
Beautiful photo I can't imagine what purpose God has for creating all these amazing things in the universe.
Have you or anyone else seen the "Bethlehem Star" Video's ?
:)
Brenda
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Hey steve,
I have only one eye as well so i'm right there with ya.
Well i have two but only one works.
Brian
ps. Happy Birthday
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Hey steve,
I have only one eye as well so i'm right there with ya.
Well i have two but only one works.
Brian
ps. Happy Birthday
That's me. I have two eyes, but the nerve from one to the brain doesn't work - birth defect.
Steve
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Oh Harry what can I say, I have to go along with Rodger and Steve
I do not have to look at anything in the physical to see things All you are doing is looking through very dark glass. the church and unbelievers are decieved by their flesh on a regular basis.
I read the Word for the revelations ....What I see there is spiritual
Deu 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.
Dan 2:22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
Jesus gave us the whole book of Revelation of Himself
(Mat 11:27) `All things were delivered to me by my Father, and none doth know the Son, except the Father, nor doth any know the Father, except the Son, and he to whom the Son may wish to reveal Him .
I view the astronomy pictures all the time, there is one every day. You have to remember these are often color enhanced or using filters to catch certain features. They cannot see what ALL is there.
Here is a link to something to see.....but what does it actually mean ?
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap060822.html
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap050521.html
These are neither good or bad...Man was given the abiltity to discern patterns, it is the way our visual cortex and brain works. So these visual things are all just physical illusions, like those in Vangies link.
There is nothing of this physical world that will profeth me.
beloved
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Beloved,
You are just WAY too sensible! Ha! ;D ;D ;)
Kathy :D
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Claudia,
Oh man you ain't seen nothin' yet! Longhorn is gonna be FULL of it when he gets a computer that works again!
Brian and Steve, I'm sorry you can't enjoy certain things. We take our sight for granted! I was diagnosed with age-related Macular Degeneration about 4 years ago sometimes I have trouble with my eyes sometimes I don't. But I try to take my vitamins and antioxidants to help out my eye health. I was 51 when I started having trouble with my eyes the dr said wow! usually this doesn't show up in someone your age.. So yeah right 50 is the new 30 How rude! Well I guess they'll have to come up with another eye-teaser for the visually impaired! If it's any consolation I had trouble seeing Vangie's picture, but after some eye crossing I finally saw it! (Hint: Longhorn will only be able to see it if he's getting help from, you know, "the spirits" :o Although I have told him to be nice and leave that stuff alone!) ;D ;D ;)
Kathy :D
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Well, my "good" eye isn't that good anymore, either. I'll be a year older this weekend, and it shows. MS takes it away from me sometime, too, and has a good chance of not giving it back someday.
I do want to enjoy my eyesight as long as I can, and see as much beauty as I can while I can. But you know what scares me the most about losing my vision? Not being able to read or write efficiently. I've used a wide-margin bible since coming to the truth, and take lots of notes in the margins. There's no way to duplicate that using something like e-Sword. There's no way to flip around the scriptures, following my center-cross-references...but I digress.
But, I hope you see that I DO enjoy plenty of things. Just don't expect me to judge distance very well, or do the Magic Eyes!
Cheers,
Steve
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Steve,
I am sorry about your MS life is so full of mysteries. Back in the late 70's the doctors thought I might have MS. They tested me for dozens of different ailments I was just experiencing pain in different parts of my body, mainly my joints, I went from being full of energy to barely being able to keep up with my two boys who were 5 and 6 years old at the time. My husband thought I was suffering from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome I think he thought this after it was over. I was tested for everything from diabetes to the last test I had for Lupus. This all started in the 3 1/2 years we lived in Hawaii. So strange.
I was believing God for healing the whole time. The doctors agreed whatever I had was brought on by stress! I thought I was the most stress-free person in the world! One day I called the doc and said, "I have one eye that is working a lot slower than the other one." They sent me to Honolulu to some kind of huge hospital. The doctor there said, "Well, I have done everything but take your eye out of the socket and I don't see ANYTHING wrong with your eyes! I told my husband, "Well I don't care if I die, I'm not going to any more doctors!" A couple of years later after we got here to Alabama I began having back pain again and gave up to go to the dr. That's when I was tested for Lupus! Nothing! The doctor told me I either had MS or Rheumatoid Arthritis, but nothing sure. It was a long struggle and after a few more years with back pains every time I turned around a muscle would just go haywire in my back!
I decided to start trying to get some exercise so I took up gardening! I spent many months going to the chiropractor and after months of gardening, weight training and other activities my back pain left me!
I have never had a real problem with any of that again! I still get unexplained pain in my muscles and joints, ( getting old ?) ;D ha! but none of it is debilitating like it used to be. The last time I had truly unexplained pain and problems was in 1985 maybe... It was all a mystery, and very strange. So I can understand in a small way what you are going through. I pray that some day MS will be a thing of the past along with all the other horrible things that plague us. We know it will!
I guess we have to enjoy what we have! I know what you're talking about with your vision. I think about how sad it would be not to be able to see the things and people we love so much.
I will pray you will keep your vision!
God bless!
Kathy :)
Sorry, I guess I got off topic a little!
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Claudia,
Oh man you ain't seen nothin' yet! Longhorn is gonna be FULL of it when he gets a computer that works again!
Brian and Steve, I'm sorry you can't enjoy certain things. We take our sight for granted! I was diagnosed with age-related Macular Degeneration about 4 years ago sometimes I have trouble with my eyes sometimes I don't. But I try to take my vitamins and antioxidants to help out my eye health. I was 51 when I started having trouble with my eyes the dr said wow! usually this doesn't show up in someone your age.. So yeah right 50 is the new 30 How rude! Well I guess they'll have to come up with another eye-teaser for the visually impaired! If it's consolation I had trouble seeing Vangie's picture, but after some eye crossing I finally saw it! (Hint: Longhorn will only be able to see it if he's getting help from, you know, "the spirits" :o Although I have told him to be nice and leave that stuff alone!) ;D ;D ;)
Kathy :D
kathy, i am sorry about your macular degeneration. my momma was recently diagnosed with early stage macular degeneration, but she is 81. i am also sorry to hear about steve and brian each having only one working eye. we who have the ability to see from both eyes do sometimes take it for granted. brian, i now understand your avatar name of 1eyebri. i was able to see the hidden picture in the link vangie provided from magic eye. i have a couple of the magic eye books. i have to agree that the universe God created is sometimes so beautiful that mere words do not do them justice when trying to describe their beauty.
claudia
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Kathy, Steve, Brian, maculear degeneration is what my husband and brother-in-law have. Their mother had it, one brother died before reaching middle age and their sister never got it. My brother-in-law accepts it well but not my husband and it is so sad to see him sit on the floor about 10 in. from the t.v. I miss having someone picking up a 1/2 gallon of milk or running an errand or doing the bills . They can't read so the news is on all the time. Together they can almost do something, like plant a garden, which they both like. In summer my brother-in-law goes and stays in the country at their mother's old house and I keep him supplied. They have a better time when the weather is nice and they can get out in the country. God, how I pray for a cure. They tried shots in the eye but my husband's eye hemmoraged badly. Neither of them want anymore. It is so hard. My only prayer is I can outlive them so my children will not have to care for them. They are a handful. Judy
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Oh my goodness, Judy that would be so hard! We always thought my mom had diabetic retinopathy, she was diabetic and had laser treatments on her eyes. Recently my sister was diagnosed with macular degeneration, too her doctor said my mom probably had it, too! My mom died when she was my age from complication from diabetes. But she was very blind several years before she died. ANYWAY My sister was healed of her Macular Degeneration and I am very confident that they will unravel that mystery before long. A doctor in Australia has done many studies and says that he thinks if people didn't use certain vegetable oils in their diet it would prevent the stupid disease. So I only use a little peanut oil, olive oil and flaxseed oil. I've heard that coconut oil is good to use, too!
So that's something to think about, yeah?
Kathy :D
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I hope we realize that these images from the Hubble are manipulated by technicians to make them more striking and attractive to the human imagination. If we saw the original without interpretation it may not look the same.
Hi everyone,
I want to share a link to a picture that is on hubblesite.org, it is a picture of the Orion nebulae and it is what I would term a picture message. Within the picture are many images of beings and parts of beings. I want you to pray for your eyes to be opened to what is contained in the picture and also for wisdom to understand what it signifies. I found the picture several years ago at the time it was first released. At the time I saw it I was impressed that there was something in the picture that God wanted me to see. As I studied the picture I began to see more and more of what was in it. The other fascinating thing to me is that one image in the picture was revealed to me in the clouds when I was a teenager there were two friends with me at that time and they witnessed it also and were afraid. This is the the address to the actual picture on the site. Here is the link. http://hubblesite.org/gallery/album/entire_collection/pr2006001a/
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Hi IBob!
As usual you are right! would we see colors in space? I don't know since there isn't any light way out there! Our minds play funny tricks on us too, huh? ;D
Well anyway I guess it must be fun for those techs to color things up to make them more interesting for those of us who would normally only see a big blob otherwise! :D
Kathy ;)
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I see a face :o