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=> General Discussions => Topic started by: Marlene on November 26, 2008, 04:07:38 AM
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Hello, I have some questions about these scriptures
I Corinthians Chapter 14 verse 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches;for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
verse 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask there husband at home; for it is a shame for woman to speak in church.
Now, I know they use to not believe Women should be pastors. I also, know that in many Babylon churches they have them now.
Could anyone give me some clarity on these scriptues. Is there something I am missing here Spiritualy.
I remember Paul felt this way too. Also, since I don't have a husband that got into reading his Bible even while going to Babylon Churches he seems content that Jesus died for all. How would he be much help to me. Now, I more or likely am not understanding this.
In His Love,
Marlene
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Hi Marlene,
I have no answer for that since i only skimmed over this from Ray before:
Esther- The Destiny of Women.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5506.0.html
I will read it now and listen to the audio again. oops look at the bottom of my post. ???
george. :-*
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You are something else! I will read this in the morning it is 2:45am in the morning. Sometimes my mind just goes on and on. LOL I try and study while my Husband is at work and My Mother is not talking to me all the time. Maybe that is why I get messed up sometimes on here too. LOL
Marlene
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Here are some of Rays emails
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2018.0.html
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2206.0.html
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2144.0.html
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,969.0.html
You need to learn to do searches on this site, sometime these have been addressed on several topic threads. They are there to read
Also here is a link to Rays emails go down the list so you are familiar with all what is covered. You will see it is a great collection set up by Kat.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3108.0.html
beloved
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Thanks Beloved, Yes, I do. I am not good with a computer and also I have a new one I am learning. But, I am not good at computer things , but I am trying to learn.
In His Love,
Marlene
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How do you do searches??? Every time I try it will bring up every post or email that has any of the words I searched and that's just too much info.
Eileen
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http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3108.0.html
Posted earlier. This is a great resource, and one I didn't know about until today. Thanks, Kat.
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Eileen, I just hit on whave Beloved and Dave Gave Out to the side gives you and idea , about what the article is about. Hope this will help you.
Marlene
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Eileen what George gave me helped with the verses I was reading. Ray has many scriptures about Women in the Church
Marlene
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I've always understood this scripture to be in relation to asking questions in Church and the whole issue of maintaining order in Church. Imagine someone like Ray atempting to teach a sermon and people are firing questions all over the place, it would be chaotic.
1 cor 11:5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved.
Surely prophesying involves speaking?
Acts 2:17 Peter is explaining how and why the disciples are speaking in tongues, after some accused them of being drunk.
17 ‘ And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in heaven above
And signs in the earth beneath:
Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.
21 And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the LORD
Shall be saved.
Acts 18:26 suggests that a woman did indeed teach a very prominent minister in a sinagogue
In 1 Cor 3:5-6 Paul refers to Appolos as a minister. Acts 18:24 says he was eloquent and mighty in the scriptures.
Acts 18:24 Now a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus. 25 This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew only the baptism of John. 26 So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.
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Marlene and Eilene,
What would be helpful for most of us is to simply go to Ray Smith's email site and begin reading at the beginning.
We do not need to learn everything that he replies to, but if your mind is anything like mine, you can't decide which questions to ask from day to day.
So just start at the beginning and click on each short sentence one after another. This will give you a regular break from the forum and these questions and answers are mostly very easy to understand.
Then when you find a question that seems difficult to understand ask for help.
This approach doesn't require any computer experience you just use the mouse or the up/down arrows.
At first this may seem like a a waste of time when you have so many more important (?) question to ask, but trust me it is better for you in the long run and doesn't cause tension or frustration because the replies are designed for new people as well as bible experts who are just coming out of babylon.
Best to you , Indiana Bob
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I. Bob,
Sound advice again! You know so many times I have started to post a question and decided to try to find the answer through Ray's writings and sure enough going back over everything really does help. Sometimes the questions I start out with fall away and make way for even new enlightenment! So, yeah that is a great idea. Thanks again! :D
Kathy :)
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Thank Bob, I have already started doing that. I am also, going over all his other articles. There is so much to learn. If, then I still cannot understand I will ask a question. I have been doing this for last couple of days.
In His Love,
Marlene
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I read Kat's transcript of Ray's study on Esther last night and was really inspired by it. Not only is the literal story of Esther really interesting, but Ray's application of her example as to our roles as women is very positive and uplifting. I really recommend this one in light of Marlene's question--thanks so much for bringing this topic forward, and thanks George for that link.
I also enjoyed the analogies to Daniel and Joseph in that study.
Love in Christ,
Vangie
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Help! Oh, man I don't understand! What do I need to read to understand what you mean?
How does Acts 21:29 fit into this? I don't know about Marlene, but I am totally confused! :(
Kathy ???
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Rev. Chapter 17 verse 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery Babylon The Great, The Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth.
Marlene
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Marlene
B I N G O !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
;D
Rodger
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The women who speaks the truth of God has her head covered.
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Thank you Marlene, you simplified for me. :)
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Thank Rodger.
Marlene
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I realize there will be flack, but someone said about a woman having her head cover is a parable, when did Paul speak in parables? And
I feel in my heart and in my whole being, that woman have a work and a word for us to hear and follow. I myself have received good word and instruction from women as teacher, and preacher. I have had this discussion in futility,and will say without doubt Paul's words are pretty muchset in gospel concrete. I will not give chap. and verse you can look it up...woman are to be silent in the congregation and woman should not be pastors or teachers. I have listened to Rays "Destiny of Woman" and I receive that woman have been and are benefit to Gods work, they always will be. But unless we let supposition enter into our thinking woman are not allowed to teach, or preach; yet they can and are a ministry.
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Ray has taught to look at scriptures with "Spiritual Eyes".....
I guess I still don't know where/when we are to take these scriptures Literally or Spritually or Both?
Like we celebrate the Sabath Spiritually Everyday,....or do it Physically Friday evening til Saturday evening?
I'm not the sharpest crayon in the box, and still trying to sort it out. I appologize if I'm missing something here!
???
Respectfully,
Brenda
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I believe this note is going to Falconnoc..Rodger.
Rodger/Falconnoc…several days ago I responded to a discussion that a member had about woman being…ministers, preachers,(teachers), pastors. And it would have seemed that I did not understand that to be true. I see after reading my initial statement I sounded
Like someone who may not even belong on a site like bibletruths.
Rodger/Falconnc, I know that I did offend you and many others who read what I said. about that subject.. Not you so much but your intelligence, in rightfully divide the Word.
I want to apolgize to you sir. I should have given chapter and verse. I would say that I have had so many of these talks with other folks about this subject..now (I’m nothing more than a layman to the world of religion; yet The Lord has enlighten His
vessels as He sees fit.)
Rodger, I fully understand and am fully behind the female as a minister of the Word.
I know that…I’ve been told that….. one should not argue with a fool; and I have done that very thing when it comes to this subject; I hope that we do not look at each other as fools. I had fogotten that “bibletruths,” has saints who understand the scriptures, with more wisdom and understanding than those who believe in religon.
All I meant to say and continue to say is that I Cor..14:34 and (1 Tim.2:11-12) are in the book. Yes I realize that it is in and from the spirit that words are discerened.
Rodger, I listened again to Rays audio on Esther. Rodger I am really on your side. Yet Rays audio did not clearify ICor and ITim.”
If I upset you and you were angry enough to decide you don’t like me anymore for my typed actions, I apologize. I have read many of your answers and aides and insight to others and I agree with much of what you say.
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Thanks guys for dealing with and overcoming a complicated issue--lots of different angles that apply to lots of us in different phases in our journeys. I was kind of confused as I didn't grasp what Micah's first post was actually getting at, but now I see as you guys fleshed it out. All of this is spiritual nutrition for the development of our fruit. I thank you both.
Love in Christ,
Vangie
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I second Vangie's thanks. Falcon man, I enjoy reading your posts; it seems that every time I read them, my spiritual eyes are opened a little more. I'm glad to have received some insight on this topic, as it is one I was a bit confused about (since "there is neither male nor female"--Gal. 3:28).
Thanks!!!
:)
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Hi Rodger and Micah,
Thanks for being so exhaustive and thorough in explaining and defending the Scriptures :). Micah same to you
for being humble enough to come back and explain your meaning without being upset. A wonderful outcome
from 2 brothers in the Faith; Well done. ;D
george.