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=> General Discussions => Topic started by: lilitalienboi16 on August 08, 2007, 02:57:12 PM
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Titled 'well?'
It delt with the passage in isaiah;
Isaiah 66:23-25 "And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."
Why are you moderators constantly removeing threads of honost sincere seeking people?
Can we not discuss such passages, and seek answers? This is really becoming frustrating and i can say honostly it is NOT what Christ would have us do.
None of us are wolves in sheeps clothing here, atleast i'm not, i want an answer, i am seeking and knocking, but if your just banning for that or deleting threads then i can't say i agree with your decisions and i'm rather upset.
So does ANYONE have an ANSWER to this passage, what it MEANS?
If ray has addressed this passage in isaiah, then why not give a link, or a quote from him? Why delete the thread?
The questions i had asked in the other thread were this.
The passage starts off saying 'shall all flesh come to worship before me' and i'm takeing that to mean All humanity because we know FLESH AND BLOOD cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven. So i doubt it means 'all carnal minds' or 'all physical bodies.' Regardless though the word ALL is still there, so whatever it is, it is EVERYONE.
Now my confusion lies in the fact that this 'ALL' goes out and looks at the "carcases of the men that have transgressed against me:"
Is this spiritual here? Is it physical?
How can ALL HUMANITY ['all flesh'] go and look at the carcesses of men that transgessed God, when these same men are apart of this ALL HUMANITY?
What is bieng said here? Is humanity look at itself and seeing the beast it truly was? Is this what God is saying? Will humanity 'ABHORE' its formerself and repent before for seeing its former self and ways?
Anyone have any answers to what this passage is saying?
Thank you for your imput and God bless,
Alex
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Hi Alex,
Moderators please forgive me for responding, but I too have noticed threads being deleted for no clear or apparent reason.
Several days ago, Kat and Pax had a difference of opinion and I tried to smooth the water and bring about peace. One of the two pretty much slammed me, enough so that I was PM'ed by another member asking "what was that all about?"
I gave a lot of thought to my response, and responded in a loving and Christ like manner (NO, Not Scathing, but gentle for I was talking with a fellow brother/sister) Only I could not save the post, because the thread was deleted.
I too find this confusing. If someone posts something inappropriate, why not delete the post, why delete the entire thread? Is not God judging us individually, not collectively. Yet it seems that everyone is being punished for the mistakes of a few. I fully realize that Craig may well tell me: "If you don't like it, then leave. There 100's of other places out there that you can say what you want." But even this is a cop out, because on one hand we are told we are here by the calling of God, yet we can be cast out because we dare question something.
These are legitimate concerns, because if God is dragging each one of us here, who would dare suggest that any should just leave!! This is tantamount to calling the potter mistaken. Please understand that I am NOT talking about newbies or trouble makers. I am talking about tried and proven members being told they can leave. Where is the Spirit in such words?
Sorry Alex if this has hijacked your thread, but I can honestly say that I am hearing one thing and experiencing another. Yet Truth cannot be at odds with Truth, nor the Spirit with the Spirit. There MUST be harmony in mind, heart and soul, which collectively becomes the Body of Christ.
Stepping off my soap box......
If any wish to flame me, please do so in an edifying maner. :)
Love to all in Christ, the Lamb
Darren
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ok little help here.
BT is for discusing truths learned on the site, if we keep drifting away from this rule this is what happens.
I understand we want to learn other things and thats ok but conflict comes up does it not. Stick to the program as it is arranged by GODS will and Pleasure.
There are soooo many things that hasn't been covered and God has provided the answers, we are being taught something here lets get a grasp on it. Do you believe this site is directed by God?
ok then lets follow His lesson plan and build on SOLID GROUND>
In Christ
Randy
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Randy,
What greater truth is there then living, breathing, and speaking the fruits of the Spirit in an edifying manner to all, especially fellow brothers and sisters in Christ? :)
I think this is what you were meaning, at least I hope it was.
Love in Christ, the Lamb
Darren
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Thanks Randy :)
Alex, I have no idea what thread you are referring to, was this suppose to have happened recently? None like that were deleted that I know of.
Darren, you seem to be implying that I 'slammed' you and then pulled the thread before you could reply. It was not I.
There seems to be a lot of aggressive questions about what the moderators are doing lately. Some seem to think that we are stifling your voice to discuss certain matters and removing posts and threads left and right.
This is not the cast!
I think people are getting carried away with this idea, let's be realistic, there is no moderator gone amok ;)
This forum is not an open forum for people to discuss whatever they come up with. Some topic are removed and some posts are removed if they are obviously not appropriate, and yes we use our own discretion. But usually we ask the other mods for their opinion too.
We are the BT forum, for the purpose of sharing what is there. We have allowed many topics, that are not specific to BT. But we will not allows people to openly challenge was is presented on BT, or bring in heresy or teach their own theology. If you have a problem with something the thing to do is email Ray, he reads all his email and will get to yours.
I will say if you think a moderator/moderators are doing things wrong here, then pray about it, after all God is in charge here.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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Hi Kat,
Where did I say or imply that it was you who slammed me and where did I say or imply it was you who deleted the thread.
Did I not say and I quote: :)
Several days ago, Kat and Pax had a difference of opinion and I tried to smooth the water and bring about peace. One of the two pretty much slammed me, enough so that I was PM'ed by another member asking "what was that all about?"
I gave a lot of thought to my response, and responded in a loving and Christ like manner (NO, Not Scathing, but gentle for I was talking with a fellow brother/sister) Only I could not save the post, because the thread was deleted.
I mentioned no ones name and neither did I speak ill of anyone, so no Kat, you read into something that was not said or implied. :)
But I still do not understand why threads just vanish, while others simply get locked. If they are to be removed (deleted) why not move them to the moderators area with a note explaining why. Something like: "This topic is in clear opposition to Ray and as such has been removed for the good of all" Possibly with a link to the paper or article of Ray's that refutes what is being stated. If this is the truth, then surely it is worth standing behind.
Kat, I do not think ill of you and I am not judging you or labeling you other than a valued sister in Christ. Let us at lease agree on this. :)
Oh, and this is great advice: "I will say if you think a moderator/moderators are doing things wrong here, then pray about it, after all God is in charge here." :)
Love to you in Christ,
Darren
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I like Darren's idea about a note or something...not even an explaination but at least a courtesy saying it's been deleted. I went back to look over that thread and couldn't find it anywhere. I wasted alot of time sifting all the boards looking for it.
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But I still do not understand why threads just vanish, while others simply get locked. If they are to be removed (deleted) why not move them to the moderators area with a note explaining why.
Perhaps a review of the rules you agree to when you join the forum is in order.
This forum is moderated, if you feel you cannot accept the bounds of a limited forum then don’t join. The moderators do not have the time to explain every decision to you on why a post was deleted, so don’t expect it.
The moderators will generally try to remove posts before banning a member, don’t take it personally. If you see your posts being removed then perhaps you should review what you are writing to make sure is goes along with the forum rules. If you are asked to let a subject drop, or a particular subject is off limits then please abide by what the moderators ask. Don’t necessarily expect a reason for the request, many things go on behind the scenes of the forum and the moderators are doing what they feel is best.
If you have a problem with a moderator, the way the forum is managed, or another user of the forum then address this through private mails. Publicly airing your grievances will be grounds for banishment.
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I will say that it takes a lot of time to read through all the posts here everyday. Most of the mods have a full time job and family responsibilities. Yet they are devoted and come in here every day, even though they have limited time to spend.
Some have been doing this for a long time and have great discernment in what to remove or delete, I guess you need to trust us. We all are doing the best we can and that will have to suffice.
The rules state;
This forum is moderated, if you feel you cannot accept the bounds of a limited forum then don't join. The moderators do not have the time to explain every decision to you on why a post was deleted, so don't expect it.
sasscell, a key word in the search box, will narrow your search a lot.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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I will say that it takes a lot of time to read through all the posts here everyday. Most of the mods have a full time job and family responsibilities. Yet they are devoted and come in here every day, even though they have limited time to spend.
Some have been doing this for a long time and have great discernment in what to remove or delete, I guess you need to trust us. We all are doing the best we can and that will have to suffice.
The rules state;
This forum is moderated, if you feel you cannot accept the bounds of a limited forum then don't join. The moderators do not have the time to explain every decision to you on why a post was deleted, so don't expect it.
sasscell, a key word in the search box, will narrow your search a lot.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
Kat, if you put a key word in the search box, will it search the entire forum?
Iris
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Hello lilitalienboi16
One thing I know for SURE is that the Scriptures do NOT contradict. So when there appears to be a contradiction it is because I am seeing the Word of God that is Spirit and Truth, with my carnal literal eyes. If that happens then I know that there has to be a witness for that Scripture because another thing I know for SURE is that no Scripture is an interpretation unto itself. God's Word have counter parts and witnesses elsewhere in the Word of God. Maybe God wants you to take all the tools and then He will disclose to you what He means Himself! Here are the tools. http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm
I do not have your answer. I just hope that the two steps from equally important 10 others, into finding out the Truth and what God means, can also help and encourage you to dig deeper! Understanding comes from His Spirit.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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Hi iris,
No, it will search the board you are on.
You can aso hold down the Ctrl key and hit the 'F' and it will give you a page search, that can be useful.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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Hi Kat,
That will be very helpful.
Thank You! :)
Iris
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I feel the moderators have been given authority over the forum and we should respect their authority and the decisions they make. If we disagree with something we should send a private message asking for clarification and not call the moderators out on the public forum. Addressing issues like this on the public forum only leads to division. We have lost members to this kind of division in the past.
We are guests on this forum. It is not a democracy.
Romans 16:17
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
1 Corinthians 1:10
Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
1 Corinthians 3:3
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
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Well said MG :) VERY WELL SAID!!!!!!!
Love in Christ,
Darren
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To add MG
These six things the Lord HATES, indeed, seven are an ABOMINATION to HIM. .......he who sows discord among his brethren. Prov 6:19
We are all brethren here because we have been drawn here through the Truths taught by Ray.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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Is Bible-Truths this forum or is it Ray's site that he writes stuff on? I'm confused. I thought this was the place where we study, question, etc. and that Ray doesn't come here. Which one is right?
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Hi seminole,
Ray's and Dennis (his friend and webmaster) were the founders of the Bible-truths.com site. As a results of having that site, they decided to give those who learn from his site a place to fellowship, share and discuss what is being learn at BT. It is a direct result of his site. Dennis keeps it going, Ray never comes here. He devotes his time to writing his papers. He believers if he tried to visit even occasionally, he would get drawn into the discussion and have a hard time leaving, so he doesn't come at all.
That's what I know about this, hope it helps :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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Alex,
By any chance are you thinking of an old thread titled "Members Join In" - I think I recall that verse being questioned. Ray, himself, did join in that conversation on the forum. I'll try to research it for you.
Peace, ~ Lisa
It is on page 35 of general discussions, it deals with the prior verses in Isaiah. :)
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Thaks Kat, that helped my understanding a lot.
Seminole
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This is a place of fellowship of the brethern. It should be a place where perculiar that are called out of the world come to encourage each other in the truth. When you are stretching for that mark that is set before you wanting to attain a better resurrection, you are walking a narrow, lonely path where the world does not have answers to your issues. It is a hard teaching, but we should all be wanting to be growing in that knowledge and seeking to be faithful to the end. If we listen to the world and look to the left or the right we can fall back into Bablyon and fall back into the way of the world.
This is a unique place. We can find arguing and disagreement everywhere we go in the world, but this should be the place where we can gain our strength back when we are dying daily and picking that cross up to go on to the end of things and rule with Christ. If a little bit of the yeast of the pharisees (yes the church, the whore of Bablyon that we are to come out of and never look back) gets into this forum it is very hard to get out. So the moderators must protect it dearly and keep it a hiding place from the world.
The following verses I believe speak to this.
Heb 3:13 But exhort (encourage) one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together (in this forum), as the manner of some is; but exhorting (encouraging) one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
It is serious. It is freeing but it is serious.
CIY
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Hi CIY,
A very astute post, there is no need for me to add a thing.
Thank you,
Joe
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Ok, here I go....
Here is what gets me. Someone makes a post. Maybe in their "newbie-ness" they say something that may not be true. Now, there are some that instead of just correcting them w/ wisdom and scripture or a link, there is put-downs and such. Then it becomes arguing/debating. That comes from members of the forum, not the moderators.
This is a haven for me. I need the teachings and the comraderie, and I don't like it when some posts make me "heart heavy". We welcme newbies and say "come on in, ask questions" but then some of us don't like the questions. Please use the PM function and debate to no end if you like. Quite frankly, some of you "debate" on things that I don't even get the distinction at all. Like WHATEVER!!!!
I can't remember when a moderator has been rude or offensive.
Saying if you don't like it leave, is usually after posting the rules again for the umpteenth time. Maybe they are tired.
It is OK not to respond or jump into a post if you don't like it. Just move on.
Remember, we are the body of Christ. Oldies, remember the absolute shock/joy/life changing/life affirming/confusion/enlightenment/wonder/disbelief/study etc that we all go thru when we find Ray???????? Newbies are going thru that now. We must LOVE one another. Not an option.
Now, as one of the oldest in this family, I as your grandma, tell you to move on. Stop worrying about where threads are and what not. Lets get to the real business about learning and LIVING Christ!!!
I love you all. I love BT and this forum. Lets get over our selves and obey the Word. Hey, I include myself in all this too.
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WOW thanks Gina because as a newbie you hit the target!!!! and city right on I hear you encouragement is needed. I had no fellowship for years with this intensity nor so much teaching in a short span of time. what took me 35 years is all in a package here. There is so much here now to learn and grow with. I see all the people who I have gotten to know as really unique individuals, molded differently passionate, very caring people. some of their answers seem harsh but that the passion for their love in Christ, they are expressing at times not anger. I do believe Gina and I are in love with the forum love Peggy
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I love Gena our "Den Mother" :) ... special thanks! I believe she is in faithful, unifying service to Christ our Lord.
And amen, Peggy, we are each quite unique, and it helps to remember this periodically for unity's sake.
Thank you Kat for clarifying that the word search box is for whatever board one is on.
And Darren, since I have learned a thing or two from you in the past, here's an English word tip for you [I love the English language]: The word you want to use is not "paramount" but "tantamount" = equivalent in value/significance. For your future use. ;)
May God grace us all.
Janice
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wow! slap! bang! boing!,
Amen! & Amen! 2 d@ Hardowt!!! ma sisters in CHRIST, how can one learn da Truths if not here 2 b taught??, az Gena has said We welcum!, den say opPs!! NO not d@ Question lol! haha! krazy!!, Peace b 2 U all thru da JOY!, Grace & Mercy of our AlLmighty!! FATHER...
muchLOVE!! Pera
ps. We must remember its all 4 da Building of Our FATHERS Kingdom, BLESSuP!!
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Ok, here I go....
Now, I as your grandma,
Pecan pie and nilla ice cream? Please Grandma, please, please, please?
Love you!
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I love Gena our "Den Mother" :) ... special thanks! I believe she is in faithful, unifying service to Christ our Lord.
And amen, Peggy, we are each quite unique, and it helps to remember this periodically for unity's sake.
Thank you Kat for clarifying that the word search box is for whatever board one is on.
And Darren, since I have learned a thing or two from you in the past, here's an English word tip for you [I love the English language]: The word you want to use is not "paramount" but "tantamount" = equivalent in value/significance. For your future use. ;)
May God grace us all.
Janice
:) :) :)
Thanks Janice, that is exactly what I meant. "Tantamount" I like that word already. :)
Love In Christ,
Darren
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Uh Patrick.... you have mistaken me for a grandma FROM the 50's. I am a grandma IN her 50's.....big difference...
I hardly ever cook!!! :P
(At the spring conference lets do lunch and I'll buy you a slice of Pecan pie/ice cream :D ;))
Thanks Peggy, Janice and Pera...I was hoping to help and not harm w/ my post.
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Uh Patrick.... you have mistaken me for a grandma FROM the 50's. I am a grandma IN her 50's.....big difference...
BIG difference! ;D
I hardly ever cook!!! :P
My mom was keeping one of the great grandsons not long ago, and she told me that a "list" was sent with him on what he will eat. We both laughed because she made us boys eat whatever she fixed, and she is a Cajun and LOVES to cook. Dad would have to put his foot down sometimes on what she wanted to prepare. :o
(At the spring conference lets do lunch and I'll buy you a slice of Pecan pie/ice cream :D ;))
Deal!
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Hello folks,
I reckon you all have different opinions about our moderators, some good, some not so good,
So schools out! The folks who help keep this site up and running deserve better than to be smashed at every turn, second guessed, and outright treated nastily.
When i was asked to help, EVERY post had to be approved! Craig then asked Dennis to allow a more open format, Then asked Me if i could help, I agreed and the board was quickly overrun with posts.
Fast forward through many disagreements that just might have shut this forum down, if not for the long hours, and steady hand of Mr. Craig Parsonssc, And both our prayers that we find a set of rules in which we could help keep the forum on the right track.
Then we were blessed with Joe, who has given stability to the forum by posting and sharing his own experiences with the members, giving the personal touch we all needed here. Then Kat with her excellent ability to format, and remember every note or letter to help us all keep on track with what it is we are discussing, bible-truths.com
Then Recently Josh was asked to help and give us the benefit of his knowledge, and his ability to relate much better with the forums younger members.
We all work...I work 11 hours a day!..My Father is dying, My family needs me to help them in these, My Dads final days. We have families, We have problems, we are not perfect, none of us.
We discuss posts the best we can and we try and direct the forum towards the reason it was developed for to begin with.
What exactly did you all expect? that we would all quit our jobs...stop paying our bills, stop attending our families, so you could feel we are doing a better job moderating a chat forum? you have got to be kidding me!
IT ENDS NOW! The Administrators, AND the Moderators created the rules, and in those rules you ALL have a responsibility to MODERATE yourselves!
DO NOT AIR YOUR GRIVIENCES ON THE BOARD! Write to me in a private message and we will then discuss your problem one on one, A single person can be a reasonable tempered individual, however "PEOPLE" alot of them carry on a mob like mentality, Be more tolerant! get over it..move on.
I'm sorry for how harsh this might sound, but..these moderators are good folks, who have given of themselves and their time for this forum.
Please pray about it
God be with you all
Chris R.
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Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God. It seems to me that we are at an empasse. My goal is to make the moderators and the members see what is happening on both sides and hopefully, bring peace. The moderators have rules that they feel need to be upheld, for the sake of preserving the forum and it's intent. The forum needs this. I have seen this forum invaded by those who hate all we believe and want to destroy it from within. At the same time, the members feel silenced by moderators and see the sanctity of a safe place to question and learn destroyed. Here's the rub: This forum is all about discussing Ray's papers and the Truths he has learned. A HUGE part of that is BABYLON and a huge part of babylon is never to question anything, just trust that those above you are operating in your best interest. This is the crazy paradox of what I see happening on this forum now.
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Here's the rub: This forum is all about discussing Ray's papers and the Truths he has learned. A HUGE part of that is BABYLON and a huge part of babylon is never to question anything, just trust that those above you are operating in your best interest. This is the crazy paradox of what I see happening on this forum now.
Hi sasscell,
I don't understand how Ray's papers and the Truths he has discovered (through His Spirit) is Babylon. ???
No one ever said that questions about the articles are forbidden, that is why we are here in the first place, to gain understanding. Read the articles, ask questions, give insights, testimonies on how these truths have impacted us in our journey, also to edify and comfort one another.
The trouble always begins by those who do not read anything insert "feelings" and opinions that do not have a basis in any of the papers and/or do not have scriptural authority. We as moderators are not here to referee debates, if anyone seeks this type of activity there are sites that promote it, no one is saying you must disfellowship from us but do the debating there and come here to discuss the articles that made this Forum possible here. It is not an either/or if you desire both, go for it!
I could see how there could be confusion if there were not an established set of rules in place that we agreed upon when we joined, the confusion, strife and contention begin when the rules are ignored and we as moderstors do not do an effective and consistant job of enforcing them, I must say I take a fair share of blame for that.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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NO JOE!! I am saying that alot of what Ray talks about is (speaking) of Babylon, what it is (christendom) WHO (christendom) teaches us to never question anything, etc, etc. HUGE difference!!
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Hi Sasscell,
Yes it is.
Peace,
Joe
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Dear Chris,
I am sad to hear that your dad is dying. May God help you through these rough days ahead.
Jesus peace be with you,
Lisa
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Thanks Chris for your time and caring for this safe haven for us. I would like to add my sympathies for your dad and your family.
We put my mom in a nursing home yesterday.
As family lets remember one another in prayer.
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God's spirit was working in us at the same time Gena... I was trying to post this while you were just posting yours right now...
Please know, Chris, that we are all lifting your father and your family and you up in prayer.
Sincerely,
Janice
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Folks we are not children and in fact probably most everyone here has raised or is raising children so you know about authority. When peole come into a place to disrupted the unity it is done by half truths. What appears to the flesh. This forum has so much going for it this Word that God has given to us is too IMPORTANT to have anyone just come in and try to destroy it with petty disagreements. THERE IS A MUCH BIGGER PICTURE HERE AND THOSE THAT FACES ARE TURN TO FOLLOW CHRIST JESUS sees there is so much imformation to grow with. If a post that I post was deleted so what. Who am I? I HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE WRONG AND LEARN IN HUMILITY. My God can fight my battles a lot better than me. Submitting to the authority that God places over my head and the rules of this forum is my JOB. If the Lord see fit to raise me up to be a monitor than with agreement I can change what I feel is best. My job is to follow the rules or I can leave and that is the responsibility of everyone here. I pray that the monitor will rid this site of people that are causing dissension so we can get on with our studying. I believe this is a spirit of quarreling and dissention an d has no place in this study except to ruin it with petty controversity. In humble service to our Lord Jesus Christ peggy
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We put my mom in a nursing home yesterday.
As family lets remember one another in prayer.
I agree Gena. My mom has neared death herself twice. It is very hard to watch our parents suffer. :'(
Prayers to all, Lisa
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Chris,
I am saddened to hear about your dad. May God be with you and help keep you strong through all your problems.
I'll be praying for you and your family.
Peace and Love
Iris
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Chris, I also am sorry to hear about your dad. It is a difficult place for you right now.
Gena, it must have been hard on you to put your mother in a nursing home. It's difficult to see our parents deteriorating and becoming confused and frail. I will be in the same situation soon as both my parents are frail, but still sort of managing in their home. God has it all under control.
This forum has its ups and downs, the tides change constantly. It is a learning experience for me and as Gena said, a haven. Life can be hard to manage sometimes, and I appreciate a place where people put the truth and the Father in the forefront. I appreciate the support I receive and the forum is also a place to get some perspective on the real reality (spiritual reality). I hope we can all grow together.
Love,
Ursula
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I am Praying for those on this board that has sick or aging parents.
Chris, Gena, ursula.
My mother is getting frail and forgetful at times this is the hardest thing to face.
I really just pray for all the aging parents and their children.
I just remember when Mother was so strong now she is weak and I am not there to help or make any decisions.
All I can do is call her daily but I would like to be able to be close to help with the burden my sister has.
I just try and remember it is all in God's hands.
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Hi Jackie Lee,
Thank you so much. I think it's wonderful that you call your mother daily. I'm sure that your mother and sister appreciate that tremendously. I will pray for you and your family also. It is all in God's hands as you say. I also need that reminder because it's difficult to see my mother, who needs help, refuse the help. She can be really stubborn. But it's always a comfort to me when my one brother phones, and I can just talk about what's going on with my parents. I just thank God for his help and support, even though he lives on the other side of the country. I'm sure your sister feels the same when you phone, even though you feel helpless.
Hang in there Jackie Lee.
Love,
Ursula
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I pray that God's Spirit be with all of us on this forum, and with any future members He brings here, to build us into a loving family. May His Spirit teach us love, kindness, and patience toward one another. Especially, may He bless those who are taking the lead among us for their unselfish giving of their time and talent.
They should be especially loved and appreciated by us.
May He give them a spirit of wisdom and understanding to do this difficult but necessary job. I thank Him for moving their hearts to serve Him in this way.
Thank you moderators!
Chris R. May God be with you and your family in this very difficult time.
Gena, I've been there with my dad. It's a difficult but loving thing to do when they need more care than we are able to give them.
With Christian love,
Cindy
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We put my mom in a nursing home yesterday.
As family lets remember one another in prayer.
I agree Gena. My mom has neared death herself twice. It is very hard to watch our parents suffer. :'(
Prayers to all, Lisa
Hi Lisa, my mom is having a triple by-pass on the 22nd. She has had two heart attacks but she is still in good shape. :) I am really proud of her.
I think that's a great idea of collectively praying for the BT family and all loved ones. I hope your mom is settling in okay.
Thanks for your prayers and Love in Christ to you,
Your brother,
Darren
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To all the Moderators, please accept my sincerest apologies for any ill feelings that I caused.
I humbly seek your forgiveness.
Chris, so sorry to hear about your dad. :(
Love to all in Christ,
Darren
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I am sorry Darren as I was reading through this thread I noticed you and Lisa need prayers for your parents too, I didn't mean to leave anyone out when I mentioned names.
Prayers for all.
Thank you Ursula for prayers and yes older parents can be stubborn, I believe they have a fear of losing their freedoms due to age.
I do think the moderators do a great job also, I knew there was no bickering when I signed up so I try and keep this in mind.
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Brothers and Sisters,
It is so easy to forget, when we are here, that there is life beyond these conversations... each of the individuals that fellowship here are experiencing God's gift of life in a very unique and personal way.
There are many here, who if they were totally honest and open, would tell us that they are experiencing a great deal of brokenness in their current life situation, both physically and spiritually.
It's easy to get carried away with our own feelings and forget the way that others may be feeling around us... perhaps tonight we can all take a few moments and lift each other up in prayer.
Galations 6:2-5
Share each other’s burdens, and in this way obey the law of Christ.If you think you are too important to help someone, you are only fooling yourself. You are not that important. Pay careful attention to your own work, for then you will get the satisfaction of a job well done, and you won’t need to compare yourself to anyone else. For we are each responsible for our own conduct.
May God grant us a heart like His.
God's Peace to you all.
Josh
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Thankyou all for your prayers, and for those with the same sitsuation, Gods peace to you all.
Chris R
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Titled 'well?'
It delt with the passage in isaiah;
Isaiah 66:23-25 "And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."
Why are you moderators constantly removeing threads of honost sincere seeking people?
Can we not discuss such passages, and seek answers? This is really becoming frustrating and i can say honostly it is NOT what Christ would have us do.
None of us are wolves in sheeps clothing here, atleast i'm not, i want an answer, i am seeking and knocking, but if your just banning for that or deleting threads then i can't say i agree with your decisions and i'm rather upset.
So does ANYONE have an ANSWER to this passage, what it MEANS?
If ray has addressed this passage in isaiah, then why not give a link, or a quote from him? Why delete the thread?
The questions i had asked in the other thread were this.
The passage starts off saying 'shall all flesh come to worship before me' and i'm takeing that to mean All humanity because we know FLESH AND BLOOD cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven. So i doubt it means 'all carnal minds' or 'all physical bodies.' Regardless though the word ALL is still there, so whatever it is, it is EVERYONE.
Now my confusion lies in the fact that this 'ALL' goes out and looks at the "carcases of the men that have transgressed against me:"
Is this spiritual here? Is it physical?
How can ALL HUMANITY ['all flesh'] go and look at the carcesses of men that transgessed God, when these same men are apart of this ALL HUMANITY?
What is bieng said here? Is humanity look at itself and seeing the beast it truly was? Is this what God is saying? Will humanity 'ABHORE' its formerself and repent before for seeing its former self and ways?
Anyone have any answers to what this passage is saying?
Thank you for your imput and God bless,
Alex
Hey Alex,
Here is my understanding. All mankind will come to worship before the Lord (all will be saved). And they (all saved) will look back upon their former carnal self, whom God destroyed with unquenchable fire, and it will "gross them out" so to speak. As far as I understand, the last things you said about all men seeing the beast hit the nail on the head.
Here are some parallel passages IMO.
Ezekiel 20:39 As for you, O house of Israel, thus saith the Lord GOD; Go ye, serve ye every one his idols, and hereafter also, if ye will not hearken unto me: but pollute ye my holy name no more with your gifts, and with your idols. 40 For in mine holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them in the land, serve me: there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the firstfruits of your oblations, with all your holy things. 41 I will accept you with your sweet savour, when I bring you out from the people, and gather you out of the countries wherein ye have been scattered; and I will be sanctified in you before the heathen. 42 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall bring you into the land of Israel, into the country for the which I lifted up mine hand to give it to your fathers. 43 And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein ye have been defiled; and ye shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for all your evils that ye have committed. 44 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have wrought with you for my name's sake, not according to your wicked ways, nor according to your corrupt doings, O ye house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD
Ezekiel 36:29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you. 30 And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen. 31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
Hope that makes sense.
God bless,
Bob