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Title: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: lilitalienboi16 on September 19, 2008, 12:12:27 AM
To give you a background on what the situation is. This kid in highschool i used to know, was made fun of alot by my friends, and yes on occasion, by me. Was nothing major, just some sarcastic remarks. Anyway, about a year after i had known this kid [in higschool, which was about 5 years ago.] he started accusing me of driving by his house, throwing bricks through it, haveing my friends shine laser pointers into his window at night etc... Now, i never did any of this, and neither did my friends, but since i found it funny, i joked and replied sarcasticly to the kid "Oh yea, right, you know i did that." Offcourse i was joking, but apparently he didn't get it. Anyway, after about 5 years of not talking this kid, completley forgeting his face and name, he found me on myspace somehow. He has sent me these messages, and they concern me alittle. I havn't replied to any of them yet, but i do think this kid is mentally derenged. In one of his letters to me he starts refering to himself in the third person. Here they are, read them, let me know what you think.

His words are in blue.

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hey alex this ls long from fountain valley since you are a christian stop the bullshit and tell your friends to stop foing to my house and take control of my life no more voodoo dolls i dont believe in that crap no more mind reading. you are sinning against me man and god tell me to tell you this to warn you of hell. i know u made a copy of the keys to my house and did many bad things like cutting my neck i will give you a chance to go to heaven god choice only if you throw away the keys to my house and throw away teh voodoo doll and get all your friends off me. no more talking crap about me god knows whos teh one that started all this meesss and if you dont stop what ever your friends do to me god will judge you for that.
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hey alex have you think about what i said we dont want to kill echoter to the end there is still time to stop this madness tell your frieds to stop casting spells on me. no more fear talk in head spells no more voodoo i dont believe in that. no more mind reading you cannot say you are a christian if you planing to do something to me. if your friend do it to me then god will say you started the whole thing and if you dont end it for my sake god will judge you the same you judge me. i dont want to be enemys any more you keep saying if i mess with one of you i mess with all of you hey im just a kid i dont think big of money steal kill voodoo mind read and calling me *****. i tell you this now u took away all of my friends destroy my life now you tell asian people at church to do your bidding stop the madness alex im serius im not looking for a fight treat other the way they want to be treated. i told jesus im begging you in this message for mercy call you friends off me throw away everything you have on me i do not want to see you at judgement day be against echoter we are both christian here and if you consistantly want me to be in the mental hostpital or even hell do you think god will forgive stop it now before its too late jesus know im giving you this warning to warn you of hell. please take this seriusly and dont laught it over with your friends and say long is such a ***** lets do some black magic **** to him and lets scared him lets sue him for all his money omg im just a kid i dont deserve this i know you have the power to call your friends off me and throw away the keys dooll and all the stuff you have on me. well thats all i can says think this over man your friends are killing a kid who doesnt know anything about life and you are lauging hard everybody mocks him he is sad all the time the only friends he got is jesus he lost everthing for what for a couple of laugh and giggles. he is left with nothing i even cry some days. everybody call me crazy i am a nobody why do want to continue to do this to a guy like this. dont hunger for black magic if you live with the sword you die with the sword. i tell you now alex im not worth it dont torture me for kicks throw away everything you have on me if you dont then jesus has the right to keep everything hge has on you at the day of judgment do you want that is it worth it alex to kill one kid mind here on earth then lose your soul for entirnity.
if i were you i would call all my friends off this kid and throw away the keys to his house the voodoo the magic the mind game everthing and move on with my life hoping that jesus will forgive me hoping that jesus will have mercy on me a judge ment day when i see jesus standing with this kid i sin big time against well teh decision is yours hope you make the right decidion amen  

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ALEX IF YOU CAN DO WHAT I ASK YOU TO IN MY LAST LETTER I SENT WHEN I DIE AND MEET GOD IF I FIND OUT YOU DID WHAT I ASK YOU TO DO I PROMISE I WILL ASK GOD FOR YOUR FREEDOM AND GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO GO TO HEAVEN. REMEMBER TELL YOUR FRIENDS TO THROW AWAY EVERTHING THEY HAVE ON ME I DONT WANT TO HEAR FEARS TALK IN MY HEAD ANYMORE IF YOU BAIL ME OUT I WILL BAIL YOU OUT LATER. DONT KIDNAP ME AND MAKE ME WORSHIP SATAN. THROW AWAY THE KEYS DONT LISTEN TO WHAT YOUR FRIENDS ARE SAYING ALL THEY DO IS MAKE ME PANIC AND PRAY TO THE DEVIL AND READ MINDS AND TELL YOU ALL THE BAD THINGS I SAID IN MY HEAD.
YOU OF ALL PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THIS  


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hey alex this is long how come evryone is trying to make me halusinate everyhwere i go i think your friend madris is setting me up for something maybe death i just want you to know everything people tell you about me is not true its all a setup to make you hate me dont believe what they are saying i am not your enemys please tell your friends and madris friends to get off my back i not looking for a fight i do not believe in voodoo just last week i saw a lady which someone shave her head bald come up to me and ask me for a dollar she panick and ask me for the requirement. please stop this madness i just want to say if you are truly a christian you would help me with my problems maybe tell everyone to stop aiming for me back me up just this time. tell them to stop turning my teacher in my computer class against me cmon i did not do anything to you or anyone the only time you tought i did something was when you and everybody devil mind read technique. and i panick that is why i think like that everything is untrue what they tell you and why did you order those 3 guys to come to my neighbor house and talk crap about me they wantted to kill me man cmon i dont deserve this we both christian here back me up just this once man i want this problems to seop i dont want any trouble from misty or you i dont deserve this dont mess with me by doing a stupid holloween party and have a vooodoo doll to do **** to me i told you i am not a ***** i dont believe back me up man i didnt do anything to you or try to do anything i am a good guy please make this the last letter i have to sent to you becasuse i dont want your friends to do anything more to me. plus theres no reason you should try to act tough and try to act like a ganster to me because god treat everybody the same way when you die. so stop it and back me up for once in your life put some heart in to telling all people to stop playing the devil game with me ok.

So your imput on the message would be welcomed. Should i do anything or continue to ignore them? Well, i'm atleast saving them incase some attempt on my life is made, because this kid seems really unstable. So atleast i have them as evidence against him.

God bless,

Alex

Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: EKnight on September 19, 2008, 12:31:09 AM
Are you certain that the person who is leaving you these messages is the person you think it is?  Really scary stuff there and he is most certainly unstable (whoever it is).  I don't know much about myspace except that it's been troublesome for so many young people.  I think documenting it here is good, just in case.  But he sounds more like he plans to get you in the afterlife so maybe you have nothing to worry about while you are still here.  I wish I could be of more help.

Eileen
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: OBrenda on September 19, 2008, 12:32:20 AM
Alex,

Does he know where you are?
I'm no expert but he sounds like he is mentally ill, and is hearing voices & hallucinating.  I would seriously consider bringing this to the Police.  It doesn't sound like he wants to hurt you, but he is afraid and begging you not to hurt him.  Either way I'd say he is probably dangerous.

Please protect yourself, see what others here think...

Pray,
Brenda
 
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: youthfortruth on September 19, 2008, 12:45:55 AM
Alex,

Wow..this transcript in very disturbing to say the least. However, seeing that the situation is kinda premature to make any kind of speculations  I would just find out more about this person and go from there. Based on your thread thus far, There's no telling who this person actually is, and how serious his intentions may be.

 Keep us posted please..not just for your sake..but for his! I'll keep you in my prayers!

-Andrew
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: lilitalienboi16 on September 19, 2008, 12:59:11 AM
You are right, i cannot be certain for 100% if it is the same kid from highschool. However his myspace account name is "Long."

His first name is "Long" in real life.

He is asian in real life. He seems to have asian friends that i am "controling" somehow. He spells poorely, so do i, but his use of grammer is even worse than mine. Not insinuating that asians have poor grammer or spelling but it does sound like him.

I'm not sure how he found my myspace page, or that i am even christian. I never ever told him about my beliefs. Which is interesting that he knows.

I'll continue to save these and document them incase i need them.

To answer your question brenda, thankfuly he doesn't know where i live. I don't know where he lives either, which makes all this very odd. I also have never kidnapped him, threatened him, made him worship the devil, etc... It's rather odd. I havn't done a single thing to him he claims i do in the letters. I don't even know the kids last name or where he lives... i certainly didn't steal the keys to his house and make a copy of them.

Thanks for the imput and prayers, i will keep you all uptodate as the situation unfolds.

God bless,

Alex
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: Dave in Tenn on September 19, 2008, 01:22:50 AM
Alex, it's at about your age and (I'm assuming) the age of this poor kid that people prone to it start to develop symptoms of mental illnesses.  That is not a diagnosis, just an observation.  Being picked on and bullied is NOT an easy thing to cope with, and his reaction may be temporary, if it is indeed a reaction.  Alex, I've been the 'victim' of bullying and it's not pretty for anyone.  It takes strength to get past that, and people with weak minds obviously have the hardest time.  

The reason he sees you as the instigator is probably because he has your ear.  It may also be because you are a natural leader among your peers and do have some influence over them.  I don't know.

You have more spiritual maturity than I do, so surely you know to pray for this kid.  Would it help to reply to him calmly and tell him that you aren't doing the things he accuses you of?  Maybe you have to meet the crazy as if he weren't crazy.  

Would it help to ask your friends if they are still in any way trying to bother this kid?  Would it help to apologize for what you did when you were younger and dumber in explaining that you are not doing these things?  What ways can you find to love this kid?

I am NOT suggesting that you approach him in any way that he hasn't approached you.  You're a kid (respectfully) and not a professional, so don't get in over your head.  That's not good for either of you.

I don't think your natural life is in danger, but it's disturbing to have to deal with this.  Keep the messages and any future ones.  There are laws in most places that can help if you feel a threat.  You're there, and we're not...so act in wisdom.  You're here and he's not, so if it sounds like I'm talking to you and not him, that's because I am.   :)

          
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: James on September 19, 2008, 02:27:40 AM
Hi Alex.  I'd like to tie in with a couple of things Dave in TN said, wrt the age range of developing mental illness.  At the least it sounds as if there's a psychotic process going on, as well as possibly some demonic activity.

Also, I think it depends on how involved you want to be in this, and/or if you're the type that's a "wait and see what happens", or more of a proactive type.  You could ignore him and see.  If you're more proactive, I like Dave's suggestion wrt keeping it simple, calm, and reassuring, sort of a "I promise I'm doing nothing to harm you, in fact, I'm praying for you..I don't want to see anything bad happen in your life, and hopefully things will get better for you".

This fellow needs to be assessed for proper treatment options.  In some states there are mobile crisis units, perhaps in concert with a police request, that can assess a situation and get the guy some help.  Especially if he makes any direct threats toward you, I would suggest contacting the police, letting them know you don't want to press criminal charges, that it's more of a safety issue; that the point is more "could you check him out, maybe take him to an emergency room for assessment, see if he's safe or a danger to himself or me" kind of thing.  It really depends on the attitude of your PD if they'll help or not.  You can check online in your area and get the # of the Behavioral Health/Mental Health Crisis Line and seek their advice from a local perspective.

Personally, I wouldn't do anything that would reveal my whereabouts to him, or have a whole lot of interaction with him.  You do what you feel led to do, but maybe some of this will help.

God's blessing, James.
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: WhoAmI on September 19, 2008, 04:44:44 AM
Alex,

   This actually is something you might need to inform yourself on. Mental health. It still is scary to many people and has all sorts of stigmas attached to it. It may comfort you to know that mentally ill people are NOT any more violent than the regular "normal" public. And even if the information is false the pain and distress they suffer are real to them. If his delusions are beyond reason no amount of talk will work with him. Mental health is a real medical illness. The mind is an organ and produces symptoms when sick.

Jeff
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: WhoAmI on September 19, 2008, 04:51:26 AM
Forgot to post this addy.


http://www.whatadifference.org



Jeff
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: Samson on September 19, 2008, 10:45:41 AM
Alex,

Does he know where you are?
I'm no expert but he sounds like he is mentally ill, and is hearing voices & hallucinating.  I would seriously consider bringing this to the Police.  It doesn't sound like he wants to hurt you, but he is afraid and begging you not to hurt him.  Either way I'd say he is probably dangerous.

Please protect yourself, see what others here think...

Pray,
Brenda
 

Hello Alex,

                Brenda is right, report this to the proper authorities, My Wife believes that this guy might be a Paranoid Schizophrenic, at the very LEAST, he's 30 cards short of a full deck. Don't allow this situation to escalate, many of us have a tendency to do that, to just "let it go"; take care of this matter with diligence.

                                            Concerned for You, Samson & Freckle Girl.
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: Deborah-Leigh on September 19, 2008, 03:51:07 PM
Hi Alex

You are safe as he does not know where you live. That is the reality.

I would respond to his mail and inform him that he is addressing his mail to the wrong person. I would warn him that the content of his communications are FALSE, SLANDEROUS and his over the top accusations are considered as ABUSIVE.  I would inform him that he should stop to communicate to you as you shall no longer invest your time in reading his mail to you as it does not apply to you. Then drop it. I would not advise you to run with this sort of nonsense and do not get yourself entangled in someone else's convolution of mind and imaginings.


Arc.
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: Douglas Wayne Thomas on September 19, 2008, 08:13:03 PM
I am currently about 1 1/2 years out of a 4 year program to obtain my PhD. in Criminology. Report this guy ASAP!!! to the authorities, your life and your loved ones could all be at great risk. He may not currently know where you live, however with a good ISP (Internet Service Provider) address locator one can find out your physical address very easily. I could locate anyone from myspace if I were so inclined, meaning if I can do this so can he.

I have worked with Law enforcement concerning cyber crimes and this guy has crossed the line. In some states he would already be guilty of assault. I would take these threats to heart. God is warning you through the advice of people on this forum. Please take heed of the warnings, it is easy to become a criminal statistic. I know; I study them everyday.
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: indianabob on September 20, 2008, 12:10:09 AM
All good advice I would say,

Some additions. 

Make disk copies of the messages you have received on myspace and prepare to give them to police.

Make sure that your home computer is as clean as you want it to be since the police may need to examine it for evidence.  We don't want this situation to backfire in your face.

You may consider cancelling your myspace page and starting over with a new one with a new profile and then notify your friends of your new address without explaining the reason.  The fewer people involved the better.

Take the situation seriously and get out as soon as possible.  Often the offender will lose interest if you do not reply or argue.

Just my view, indiana bob
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: JeffH on September 20, 2008, 05:28:14 PM
Alex,

If the person sending you these emails is for real, he shows typical signs of paranoid schizophrenia.  The suggestion to close your existing MySpace account and open a new one is essential and you should immediately report this to MySpace moderators.  As suggested, contact your local law enforcement to see if they have any concerns or additional suggestions.

It doesn't appear that you are in any immediate danger, but others may be.  If he's an undiagnosed schizophrenic or has gone off his medication, then he's a potential risk to anyone having physical contact with him.  For the schizophrenic, the hallucinations are reality.  If he see's a lion while he's walking down the street, he's going to react to that just as if it were real.

If he feels his life is in danger, he may act to mitigate that and in doing so could harm himself or randomly harm someone else.

A law enforcement psychologist may take steps to find out where this person is and by contacting them, you could be saving lives, including his.

God bless and please let us know how this turns out.

Jeff
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: WhoAmI on September 20, 2008, 05:43:20 PM
I am currently about 1 1/2 years out of a 4 year program to obtain my PhD. in Criminology. Report this guy ASAP!!! to the authorities, your life and your loved ones could all be at great risk. He may not currently know where you live, however with a good ISP (Internet Service Provider) address locator one can find out your physical address very easily. I could locate anyone from myspace if I were so inclined, meaning if I can do this so can he.

I have worked with Law enforcement concerning cyber crimes and this guy has crossed the line. In some states he would already be guilty of assault. I would take these threats to heart. God is warning you through the advice of people on this forum. Please take heed of the warnings, it is easy to become a criminal statistic. I know; I study them everyday.


Could you please point out the serious threats?

Thanks.

Jeff
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: youthfortruth on September 20, 2008, 06:39:31 PM
Alex,

Thank you for keeping everyone here updated on the situation. I, and presumably most on the forum have been praying that everything works out and the potential severity of the situation doesn't escalate into something life threating.

As one who's been mentally unstable before, I would just like to make an observation, and then a point without the intention of sparking debates amongst ourselves.

I don't think it's fair or even logical to make an assumption that this person is: "mentally ill" "paranoid" "needs medication asap" etc etc on the basis of what we deem is "abnormal". Nor do I feel that we need always take the medication route if you will, in solving a problem like this. When I was a patient for 4 months at Harvard Medical School's OCD institute, their primary purpose was to help you manage OCD better. I would be in groups discussing thinking strategies to outwit your compulsive urges all day. As effective as the treatment was, I later noticed that not one group was devoted to the undersanding of how medication meant to treat OCD works. Not one.

Again, I'm not trying to start a debate of any sort. For I admire and respect everyone here, and in the end, God will make everything right. Being I've known 4 psychiatrists in my 21 year life, taken every antidepressant you can think of, and metaphorically landed my damaged plane without crashing and burning in tackling this problem, my input might be of some help in this matter.   

I will continue to keep you in my prayers Alex, and I hope the conference goes well for all going!

-Andrew
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: joyful1 on September 20, 2008, 09:03:44 PM
Alex--
My advice and why:
1-- I think you should file a complaint with your local PD now, because IF something else happens, then you have the complaint on file to back up your reason for asking the PD to charge him, should it come to that. If nothing is on file, then he might only receive a warning next time, leaving you in a potentially difficult situation. Avoid that scenario and make a report now.

2--a percentage of 'bored teenagers' left alone online for extended periods of time certainly enjoy 'messin' with your mind' and this could all be just in fun--but you don't KNOW that--file the report.

3--drug abuse can be a factor here, but you don't KNOW that he is just high and thinking crazy for now--file the report.

4--the Holy Spirit can and will guide you should you ever feel compelled to respond to this young man--he needs love, we all know that, he needs some boundaries as well--file the report.

My best to you, my friend--
btw, how is your girlfriend doing these days?
Joyce :)
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: WhoAmI on September 21, 2008, 05:11:47 AM
Some truth about mental illness:

Mental Illness: Myths and Facts

Mental illnesses are very common. They are also widely misunderstood. People with mental illnesses are frequently stigmatized by others who think it's an uncommon condition. The truth is, mental illness can happen to anybody.

Arm yourself with the facts, then use your knowledge to educate others and reach out to those around you with mental illness. Understanding and support are powerful, and they can make a real difference in the life of a person who needs them.

Myth: There's no hope for people with mental illnesses.
Fact: There are more treatments, services, and community support systems than ever before, and more are in the works. People with mental illnesses lead active, productive lives.

Myth: I can't do anything for a person with mental illness.
Fact: You can do a lot, starting with how you act and speak. You can create an environment that builds on people's strengths and promotes understanding. For example:

    *

      Don't label people with words like "crazy," "wacko," or "loony" or define them by their diagnosis. Instead of saying someone is "a schizophrenic," say he or she "has schizophrenia." Don't say "a schizophrenic person," say "a person with schizophrenia." This is called "people-first" language, and it's important to make a distinction between the person and the illness.
    *

      Learn the facts about mental health and share them with others, especially if you hear something that isn't true.
    *

      Treat people with mental illnesses with respect and dignity, just as you would anybody else.
    *

      Respect the rights of people with mental illnesses and don't discriminate against them when it comes to housing, employment, or education. Like other people with disabilities, people with mental health problems are protected under federal and state laws.

Myth: People with mental illnesses are violent and unpredictable.
Fact: Actually, the vast majority of people with mental health conditions are no more violent than anyone else. People with mental illnesses are much more likely to be the victims of crime. You probably know someone with a mental illness and don't even realize it.

Myth: Mental illnesses don't affect me.
Fact: Mental illnesses are surprisingly common; they affect almost every family in America. Mental illnesses do not discriminate—they can affect anyone.

Myth: Mental illness is the same as mental retardation.
Fact: These are different conditions. Mental retardation is characterized by limitations in intellectual functioning and difficulties with certain daily living skills. In contrast, people with mental illnesses—health conditions that cause changes in a person's thinking, mood, and behavior—have varied intellectual functioning, just like the general population.

Myth: Mental illnesses are brought on by a weakness of character.
Fact: Mental illnesses are a product of the interaction of biological, psychological, and social factors. Social influences, like the loss of a loved one or a job, can also contribute to the development of various mental health problems.

Myth: People with mental illnesses cannot tolerate the stress of holding down a job.
Fact: All jobs are stressful to some extent. Anybody is more productive when there's a good match between the employee's needs and the working conditions, whether or not the worker has a mental health problem.

Myth: People with mental health needs, even those who have recovered, tend to be second-rate workers.
Fact: Employers who have hired people with mental illnesses report good attendance and punctuality as well as motivation, good work, and job tenure on par with or greater than other employees. Studies by the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) and the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill (NAMI) show that there are no differences in productivity when people with mental illnesses are compared to other employees. (Mental Health: A Report of the Surgeon General, 1999)

Myth: Once people develop mental illnesses, they will never recover.
Fact: Studies show that most people with mental illnesses get better, and many recover completely. Recovery refers to the process in which people are able to live, work, learn, and participate fully in their communities. For some individuals, recovery is the ability to live a fulfilling and productive life. For others, recovery implies the reduction or complete remission of symptoms. Science has shown that hope plays an integral role in an individual's recovery.

Myth: Therapy and self-help are a waste of time. Why bother when you can just take a pill?
Fact: Treatment varies depending on the individual. A lot of people work with therapists, counselors, friends, psychologists, psychiatrists, nurses, and social workers during the recovery process. They also use self-help strategies and community supports. Often they combine these with some of the most advanced medications available.

Myth: Children don't experience mental illnesses. Their actions are just products of bad parenting.
Fact: A report from the President's New Freedom Commission on Mental Health showed that in any given year five to nine percent of children experience serious emotional disturbances. Just like adult mental illnesses, these are clinically diagnosable health conditions that are a product of the interaction of biological, psychological, and social factors.

Myth: Children misbehave or fail in school just to get attention.
Fact: Behavior problems can be symptoms of emotional, behavioral, or mental problems, rather than merely attention-seeking devices. These children can succeed in school with appropriate understanding, attention, and mental health services.
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: Deborah-Leigh on September 21, 2008, 05:31:04 AM
Hi Who am I

Please quote the source of the excerpt you have posted.

It was very interesting and I enjoyed quote " Don't say "a schizophrenic person," say "a person with schizophrenia." This is called "people-first" language,

That could have been taken right out of the Bible.Rom 8 : 20 For the creature was made SUBJECT TO vanity  (mental illness, addictions, SIN) not willingly, but by reason of Him who has subjected the same in hope.  

Arc

Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: Kent on September 21, 2008, 01:58:40 PM
...
To give you a background on what the situation is. This kid in highschool i used to know, was made fun of alot by my friends, and yes on occasion, by me. Was nothing major, just some sarcastic remarks.
...

I think you need to talk to a professional. Anyone else would be playing games with your life, and his.
Not intentionally playing games, but people guess when they should know. If they dont know, then they can do you harm if you listen to them, and frankly, they should keep their mouths shut.

What I would do could get you killed, because I dont know.
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: Douglas Wayne Thomas on September 21, 2008, 04:52:05 PM

Could you please point out the serious threats?

Thanks.

Jeff

To WhoamI (Jeff)

The following is an article concerning stalking, although written primarily for women, I believe it applies to Alex's situation also. Would you consider stalking a crime?  

I do!

Modern stalkers send numerous emails to their victim each day. They will bombard their victim with instant messages, invitations to chat rooms, or links to suggestive web sites. Internet stalking is often an extension of physical stalking, although not always. In some cases, the stalker may not even know the “true” identity of the victim, having seen the victim’s profile in an online forum. (Myspace) emphasis mine.

This does not make Internet stalking, also called cyber-stalking, acceptable. In fact, Internet stalking can be even more dangerous than physical stalking because it limits the victim’s access to online information, intimidates the victim into changing their online habits and can open the victim’s personal computer and the information it contains to the stalker’s hacking. The good news is most law enforcement agencies have cyber-crime units and often Internet stalking is treated with more seriousness than reports of physical stalking. If you find yourself being harassed online, report the situation to both your Internet provider and local law enforcement.

Stalkers often try to isolate their victims from family and friends. They release character-damaging information, regardless of whether it is true or not, in hopes of ostracizing the victim from those closest to him/her. When hurtful or damaging information is made public, your first reaction may be to retreat or withdraw from the public eye. This is exactly what the stalker wants. Instead, fight character defamation and public insults vehemently. If there is truth to the information, accept responsibility quickly and tell your side of the story. The important thing is to maintain your presence within your normal circles and not isolate yourself from support systems that could help you in the event your stalker moves closer.

The use of threats or violence to frighten their victims is a common strategy for many stalkers. You car may be vandalized or your home burglarized. While these crimes happen all too often in today’s environment, the non-stalking criminal will not contact you afterwards. If you receive threats or direct contact from someone who claims to have been responsible for a recent crime, report this immediately to the police. The information you provide may help them piece together physical evidence from the crime and solve your stalking case at the same time.

Perhaps no particular incident stands out in your mind as being dangerous, however, when you look at the entire picture, what you see alarms you. Do you experience repeated unwanted contact from the same person? If it is someone you know, tell him he is making you uncomfortable. If the situation continues, report him to the police. If it is someone you do not know, go directly to the police.

Ok; would you consider those emails to Alex serious threats now?

http://www.lifescript.com/channels/well_being/Meditations_Motivations/10_signs_that_you_are_being_stalked.asp?page=1&trans=1


Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: joyful1 on September 21, 2008, 07:04:11 PM
Alex--
One of the best replies I've ever read on this question of "self defence v.s. turning the other cheek" was made by Joey Porter in the thread:
 Re: Would you let someone physically harm you or your family?
 
 http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3954.msg30402.html#msg30402 (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3954.msg30402.html#msg30402)
He points out the spiritual meaning of "turning the other cheek."
I hope this helps!
Joyce :)
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: WhoAmI on September 22, 2008, 01:37:30 AM
Hi Who am I

Please quote the source of the excerpt you have posted.

It was very interesting and I enjoyed quote " Don't say "a schizophrenic person," say "a person with schizophrenia." This is called "people-first" language,

That could have been taken right out of the Bible.Rom 8 : 20 For the creature was made SUBJECT TO vanity  (mental illness, addictions, SIN) not willingly, but by reason of Him who has subjected the same in hope.  

Arc



http://www.whatadifference.org
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: WhoAmI on September 22, 2008, 01:58:47 AM

Could you please point out the serious threats?

Thanks.

Jeff

To WhoamI (Jeff)

The following is an article concerning stalking, although written primarily for women, I believe it applies to Alex's situation also. Would you consider stalking a crime?  

I do!

Modern stalkers send numerous emails to their victim each day. They will bombard their victim with instant messages, invitations to chat rooms, or links to suggestive web sites. Internet stalking is often an extension of physical stalking, although not always. In some cases, the stalker may not even know the “true” identity of the victim, having seen the victim’s profile in an online forum. (Myspace) emphasis mine.

This does not make Internet stalking, also called cyber-stalking, acceptable. In fact, Internet stalking can be even more dangerous than physical stalking because it limits the victim’s access to online information, intimidates the victim into changing their online habits and can open the victim’s personal computer and the information it contains to the stalker’s hacking. The good news is most law enforcement agencies have cyber-crime units and often Internet stalking is treated with more seriousness than reports of physical stalking. If you find yourself being harassed online, report the situation to both your Internet provider and local law enforcement.

Stalkers often try to isolate their victims from family and friends. They release character-damaging information, regardless of whether it is true or not, in hopes of ostracizing the victim from those closest to him/her. When hurtful or damaging information is made public, your first reaction may be to retreat or withdraw from the public eye. This is exactly what the stalker wants. Instead, fight character defamation and public insults vehemently. If there is truth to the information, accept responsibility quickly and tell your side of the story. The important thing is to maintain your presence within your normal circles and not isolate yourself from support systems that could help you in the event your stalker moves closer.

The use of threats or violence to frighten their victims is a common strategy for many stalkers. You car may be vandalized or your home burglarized. While these crimes happen all too often in today’s environment, the non-stalking criminal will not contact you afterwards. If you receive threats or direct contact from someone who claims to have been responsible for a recent crime, report this immediately to the police. The information you provide may help them piece together physical evidence from the crime and solve your stalking case at the same time.

Perhaps no particular incident stands out in your mind as being dangerous, however, when you look at the entire picture, what you see alarms you. Do you experience repeated unwanted contact from the same person? If it is someone you know, tell him he is making you uncomfortable. If the situation continues, report him to the police. If it is someone you do not know, go directly to the police.

Ok; would you consider those emails to Alex serious threats now?

http://www.lifescript.com/channels/well_being/Meditations_Motivations/10_signs_that_you_are_being_stalked.asp?page=1&trans=1




This was all I asked. Nothing more.

*** Could you please point out the serious threats?

Thanks,
Jeff
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: Richard D on September 22, 2008, 10:06:20 AM
Hi Alex

Where I live there was a man who killed another man by kicking him in his head in a fight, he was brain dead and after a few days in the hospital they pulled the plug if you will.

The man responsible was arrested almost thirty five minutes later. He was driving down the street according to the news paper and had a rear tail light that was not working and the police went to stop him ,you know give him a fix it ticket but the man assumed the police was pulling him over because they knew it was him who had killed a man.

It went into a high speed chase and the man hit or ran into a telephone pole and was pronounce dead at the seen.

My point here Alex is maybe you have some sign on you my space that signifies you are a believer and this is just a hoax by someone who has nothing better to do with his time.

And like the man who assumed the police knew it was him maybe you are assuming too.

 However report him immediately to my space because more than likely he’s playing with other peoples minds too and not just yours.



                                                      In His Love. Richard.
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: lilitalienboi16 on September 22, 2008, 03:13:21 PM
Hello everyone,

Boy so many replies. First i wanted to thank you all for caring and praying for me and this situation. I have decided to wait and see if this continues further, if i recieve more emails from this person and if they get progressively more aggressive than i will file a report with the police. I don't want to press charges, just make sure this person is looked after in a proper mannor.

As of yet, i havn't recieved another email, but the last one i recieved was nearly two weeks after the first 3 were sent. So i wouldn't be surprised to get an email a week from now.

I'm sorry i have to keep this short, but i'm running late for school!

Thank you all once again.

God bless,

Alex
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: eggi on September 22, 2008, 04:58:09 PM
Hi Alex,

I have to agree with the advices I've read from the others. Leave it alone - best to wait and let it pass by itself. These things usually do. I think he is trying to provoke you to respond and he wants to frustrate/scare you. If he sees that he can't do that, my bet is that he will leave you alone.

God bless you,
Eirik
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: lilitalienboi16 on September 24, 2008, 03:32:07 PM
Alex--
My advice and why:
1-- I think you should file a complaint with your local PD now, because IF something else happens, then you have the complaint on file to back up your reason for asking the PD to charge him, should it come to that. If nothing is on file, then he might only receive a warning next time, leaving you in a potentially difficult situation. Avoid that scenario and make a report now.

2--a percentage of 'bored teenagers' left alone online for extended periods of time certainly enjoy 'messin' with your mind' and this could all be just in fun--but you don't KNOW that--file the report.

3--drug abuse can be a factor here, but you don't KNOW that he is just high and thinking crazy for now--file the report.

4--the Holy Spirit can and will guide you should you ever feel compelled to respond to this young man--he needs love, we all know that, he needs some boundaries as well--file the report.

My best to you, my friend--
btw, how is your girlfriend doing these days?
Joyce :)

Hello Joyce, i just noticed your question! I've been meaning to answer it. My girlfriend and I are doing just fine. We are learning to get along better and better each day by the Lords grace and mercy! Thank God! :) She's learning to tolerate my long off topic tangents of God and things that go on in our daily lives. I have a tendancy to go off topic and start talking about God and how i think He controles all things etc.. she doesn't like to hear much about God but she is learning to put up with it, lol, i dont try and shove it in her face on purpose, it's just that God has everything to do with my life and she doesn't want anything to do with God. So trying to seperate God out of me, for her, is a tough thing to do and i think she's just learning to love me with God as a big part of my life. She has even taken an interest in my beliefs! Praise God!

We have our usual ups and downs like every couple but we are learning to treat each other as God would permit! =]

Here is our most rescent picture together;

(http://a123.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/72/l_d9c49d194ca5aec00acd2dc58a83781a.jpg)


God bless,

Alex
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: OBrenda on September 24, 2008, 03:39:26 PM
Hey Joy......Not all of us here have grey hair.....lol     ;D ;D ;D ;D

Thanks for sharing that pic Alex, she is adorable...she is still feeling well??

Hugs,
Brenda
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: joyful1 on September 24, 2008, 07:52:42 PM
Alex! What a beautiful picture! Thanks for sharing!
Brenda--were you talking to me?  ???
if you were....you know me, Brenda--I'm fine with  coloring
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: OBrenda on September 24, 2008, 08:31:12 PM
Alex! What a beautiful picture! Thanks for sharing!
Brenda--were you talking to me?  ???
if you were....you know me, Brenda--I'm fine with  coloring

And I Luv That about You Joyce     ;) ;D

But I was actually teasing Joy from the Phillipines for her cute comment on all the attendees in the conference pictures having grey hair.....lol    ;D ;D
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: joyful1 on September 25, 2008, 07:56:17 AM
Brenda....oh! okay! Now I see! ... Hi Joy from the Phillipines!  :)
Alex....you guys gonna tie the knot or what?? you make the cutest couple ever!
Joyce :)
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: lilitalienboi16 on September 25, 2008, 12:49:32 PM
Brenda....oh! okay! Now I see! ... Hi Joy from the Phillipines!  :)
Alex....you guys gonna tie the knot or what?? you make the cutest couple ever!
Joyce :)

Well, we take it one day at a time. Atm i'm concerned with finishing my school rather than tieng the knot. I do love her very much, but i think it's better to finish school, so that i may have a way to provide for a family, than rushing a marriage, having it fall apart and never finishing school. The more time we take together to learn and treat each other right, i feel that the better we will have a chance of keeping a marriage together. If we get married that is. =]

God bless and thanks for the kind remarks.

In Christ,

Alex
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: lilitalienboi16 on May 01, 2009, 09:32:54 PM
Update;

Date:
Apr 23, 2009 11:14 PM
Subject:
this is long
Body:
hey alex this is long nguyen from fountain valley i didnt mean anything i said in my head i just hope we can be cool i just want some forgiveness ok cool  

Date:
Apr 23, 2009 11:31 PM
Subject:
long
Body:
hey alex can u tell your friend misty and all the other whatever i did wrong i appoligize to all of them and wish we could be cool all thx bye

May 1, 2009 2:44 PM
Subject:
yo
Body:
hey alex wehats the point in this voodoo and mind reading stuff i dont see a point for everyone doing this its kinda weird and freaky. hey we all make mistakes in life i do it all the time no need to spy on me i see no point in that is spying on me gonna because i make some mistake gonna make it any better.
hey i tought we were cool in high school before leaving i said we cool remember oh well later

Date:
May 1, 2009 2:50 PM
Subject:
hey
Body:
hey alex how about whoever is mad at me u tell them to give me a chance and tell whoevers mad at me to come talk to me ill work it out with that person hey ill work it out with anybody thats mad at me i dont know why but ill work it out if i get a chance to talk with him or her alright later  


So as you can tell.. the messages continue. I Have yet to respond to this person. Any suggestions?



Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: EKnight on May 01, 2009, 10:12:09 PM
It sounds like he is repenting and asking for forgiveness.  Maybe you should simply just tell him you forgive him and that you will pray for him.  :-\

Eileen
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: lilitalienboi16 on May 02, 2009, 02:51:21 AM
It sounds like he is repenting and asking for forgiveness.  Maybe you should simply just tell him you forgive him and that you will pray for him.  :-\

Eileen

I might just very well do that. Thanks :)
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: ez2u on May 02, 2009, 03:13:28 AM
Alex  All my life I have had to deal with mentally illness. different family member of mine have been diagnosed  with  schizophrenic.  Please don't go to the police they can not help this young man but the mental health association will.  This young man needs help  do you know where he lives?  maybe you could find out .  the prison system is full of the mentally ill, they support the prison system. not all of them and i mean a large population of them are criminals.  there is no other place in this country that is housing the mentally ill since the government closed the mentally ill hospitals.  The counties lost funding closed the hospitals,  put these patients on buses and sent them to other states.  Many of the homeless are mentally, a very large percentage.  Medication and family support can make all the difference in a life.  Do you have compassion in your heart?  I believe you do  or else you would not of shown us this letter.  If there was a person suffering on your street with a terrible illness would you help that person?  This young man is suffering mentally.  He needs proper care by a professional.  Not you, a professional mental health provider  but you can help by telling them  and showing them the emails.  My son Joshua is a genius and diagnosed with schizophrenia  he lives with us.  He is a blessing, caring, giving, funny.  Sometimes his thought patterns get mess up and we have to help him  but I am very thankful he lives with us  because many of the mentally ill are terribly abused.  If people knew the truth about this horrible illness and the discrimination and abuse they suffer  maybe it would make a difference  maybe not.  I find people are tired.  peggy
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: Deborah-Leigh on May 03, 2009, 06:00:27 AM
Hi Alex

You are safe as he does not know where you live. That is the reality.

Even God does not embrace evil but keeps it at arms length.

Arc.
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: Roy Martin on May 03, 2009, 09:08:11 AM
Hi Alex,
 There are just too many ifs to this story. How do you know he doesn't know where you live?
I believe his spelling is intentional. I believe his last statements are his fear of maybe saying too much and trying to clean it up.
 Growing up as I did, one becomes street wise as some call it. Take this guy serious. I think your making a mistake by not reporting him.

Roy
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: lilitalienboi16 on May 05, 2009, 12:43:17 AM
Hi Alex,
 There are just too many ifs to this story. How do you know he doesn't know where you live?
I believe his spelling is intentional. I believe his last statements are his fear of maybe saying too much and trying to clean it up.
 Growing up as I did, one becomes street wise as some call it. Take this guy serious. I think your making a mistake by not reporting him.

Roy

Ay.. im not sure, i did tell him once where i lived but that was back in higschool, nearly 4-5 years ago. Unless he has a good memory i think im okay. Ill just be alittle more patient and if i get any more threatening or very strange emails ill be sure to let someone who can do something know. Atm he seems to just be looking for forgivness so if he persists to ask for it, i will give it to him. I Just don't know if this is seriouse, if im being pranked, etc... so many unknowns like you said. When i go to see who sent it, it has his name, etc.. but no pictures of himself, which is odd for a myspace account and he only has 1 friend. As if he made the myspace just to reach me... so i don't know.. seems really odd.

Thanks for all the advice everyone.

God bless,

Alex
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: lilitalienboi16 on August 06, 2009, 06:26:43 AM
So im really sorry to bump this thread again but the messages continue, and they seem to have gotten slightly more disturbing.

Although.. i don't know anymore wether to be concerned for my saftey or to be concerned for this guys own safety. I no longer think these are jokes, as they have persisted for quiet some time now... i think anyone trying to get a rise out of this for pure fun or etertainment would have given up by now, specially since i've not replied once or given any responce in the smallest bit.

Here are the messages;

rom:
long

Spam/Report Abuse
myspace.com/353115118
To: Alex Mokbel
Date:
Aug 3, 2009 11:35 PM
Subject:
yo
Body:
hey alex i dont really know whats goin on or why you guys keed casting fear spell at me but hey if you really want me that bad then why dont you tell the guy that want me to hey what the heck i say just point a gun at my head and get it over with man i dont care anymore i dont fear any more but if that guy really want me just get a gun and do it blow my brains out


From:
long

Spam/Report Abuse
myspace.com/353115118
To: Alex Mokbel
Date:
Aug 3, 2009 2:40 PM
Subject:
yo
Body:
hey alex this is long ok let me just say i was born with a sickness i just figure that out i dont want to mess with anyone i think my sickness is im half retarded man i think thats ansers the question why its hard for me to make any friends i keep thinking nonsense that will never happen not exactly sure why people keep reading my mind and they say i wanna mess well just tell them i dont


Should i try speaking with this person... or just ignore them forever? He seems to continue to send me messages regardless of the fact that he has no clue as to wether they are even being read or not.

Sry once again and thanks for all the imput.

God bless,

Alex
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: lilitalienboi16 on August 06, 2009, 06:30:35 AM
Okay i've realised what im going to do. Since i feel this person is far to unstable to speak with, im simply going to block them... this person needs seriouse help. Sadly i cannot offer that, i am not equiped to deal with this. They are in God's hands! As always.

Sorry again for the bump. I Just didn't know what to do.. but i think this is my best course of action.
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: Marky Mark on August 06, 2009, 10:26:30 AM
Alex,

  If you feel that these are letters of intent to do harm to you or anyone that you know, I would gather all of the messages together and present them to your local police department and explain to them that you feel threatened and that it needs to be investigated. Better safe than sorry.


Peace...Mark
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: Vangie on August 06, 2009, 11:03:49 AM
And Alex, what Mark said might also lead to this disturbed young man getting some help.  I feel very sorry for him, as he's definitely in a wilderness place.  I pray God sends him some help and keeps you safe as well.

Vangie
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: NoviceBeliever on August 06, 2009, 04:49:35 PM
Alex:  We are all concerned for you.  But I think most of all, GOD may be having this person reach out to you for a reason.  So many times we hear after the fact of a tragedy that has taken place, in fact just yesterday there was a shooting in Pennsylvania, by a man that had given many warnings of his prior intent to commit harm and no one took heed and reported it.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/08/06/gym.shooting.video/index.html

Please take this as a serious message and take action, contact the local authorities and report this.  This may be Gods way in getting him the help that he needs. NB
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: daywalker on August 06, 2009, 05:23:21 PM

Hey Alex,

Yeah, I wouldn't even mess around with this guy, whoever he is, he needs help. I would contact local authorities and get their advice on how to handle this situation. I grew up right there in Garden Grove [graduated from Rancho Alamitos in 2001]. I've met my share of real 'strange' guys in the OC. I used to try to defend myself or get friends involved, but I wouldn't recommend that to anyone.

This doesn't sound like a guy you'd wanna confront directly... that's my take.


Peace, Out

Daywalker  8)
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: lilitalienboi16 on August 07, 2009, 06:51:21 AM
So heres my update for the day;

I decided to go to the police after the last message. The one talking about "blowing brains out." That kind of concerned me, for myself and for anyone who comes across this kid.

I showed them some of the emails, basicaly the first and the last ones. They basicaly told me their is nothing they can do as they cannot know for certain who the person really is, but i showed them where he identified himself in the emails and also showed them a highschool yearbook photo of the kid.

They told me they will look into it and see if they can find any information on him and put it on record.

So i feel like i can sleep alittle better now, knowing atleast that if this person is mental unstable [which they do seem to be] the cops are fully informed and can do something incase the need arises or perhaps even stop something horrible before it happens.

Thank you everyone for all the information and help. The kind words and the advice! I really do appreciate everyones input! You guys are amazing :)

God bless,

Alex

P.S. Daywalker, that is awsome to know you lived right where i do. I still live in fountain valley btw, incase you are nearby and ever want to get together for some cofee :))
P.P.S If i do get any other crazy emails or any threatening ones, i can keep you all informed if you would like to stay updated on the situation.
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: Ninny on August 07, 2009, 09:35:35 AM
Alex,
Please just keep your eyes open, ok buddy? Even though you have told the police...just be watchful and you know that we are all praying for you! You KNOW you are my favorite Lilitalienboi!! So take care!! :D
Kathy er...Ninny ;) ;)
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: Roy Coates on August 07, 2009, 10:32:35 AM
Alex, Here in Michigan you have a case of stalking or even aggravated stalking. It only takes two unwanted contacts in person, phone, mail, email etc. You can identify the person that's a start. With a little investigation they can identify the person, computer and where it was when he sent it(for the most part) The  officers that told you that sound lazy to me. It could be your local laws but I doubt it. Call their Sergeant, if a Sergeant told you this call the Lieutenant. You at the very least need a restraining order from the courts. You need the police report to obtain one. I would suggest that you not respond to any of these message directly or indirectly. Keep calling every other day and remember The squeaky wheels get the oil. Your in my prayers brother, Roy Oakland County Sheriff Sergeant, retired
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: Roy Martin on August 07, 2009, 10:40:29 AM
Not to be putting the police down, but don't just let them tell you they will look into it and make a record of of it. Be persistent and demanding. These people get paid to do something about it but will do nothing if you let them. Go over their head.
 I can already tell you that they probably stuck the paper work away and thats the end of that.
Call them everyday. Who cares that they get annoyed at you. Tell them your going to call them every day until you see some progress. Like I said, go over their head to a higher authority. You can't just ask for the service of these matters; you have to demand them over and over. That's bull crap them saying what they said to you. Yes, yes and yes they can do something about it, but won't because you aren't important to them. Trust me. I know what I'm talking about.

Roy
Title: Re: Kind of concerned for my Life
Post by: daywalker on August 07, 2009, 02:02:34 PM
Alex

P.S. Daywalker, that is awsome to know you lived right where i do. I still live in fountain valley btw, incase you are nearby and ever want to get together for some cofee :))
P.P.S If i do get any other crazy emails or any threatening ones, i can keep you all informed if you would like to stay updated on the situation.


Hey Alex,

I live in San Diego right now, but I go up to Orange County often as my family and closest friends are still up there. So, yea, perhaps someday we can hang out, that'd be cool!

Also, I'll keep your situation in my prayers. Peace, Out

Daywalker.  8)