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Read this email to Ray and see if you notice something.
Dear Ray,
I enjoyed your article on the Trinity. Just a question, we know that the Father of Jesus Christ was not created.
From what you wrote and what I see in the scriptures, I feel that the son Jesus Christ had a beginning, which is not the case of Father.
I would like your opinion on it.
cordially
Élisée
Dear Elisee: Both the Father and the Son are scarcely alluded to in
the Hebrew Scriptures. Well then, WHO IS GOD of the Hebrew Scriptures?
You'll have to wait till I finish my research for what I believe is the Scriptural
answer to this enigma. There is far more to this subject than most could
ever imagine, and yet, the answer has been there all the time, it's just that
we haven't believed the Scriptures. And giving the answer and proving the
answer are two different things, I assure you. At least I now know the Name
of the Father.
God be with you,
Ray
Did you catch it? Well heres what i caught....
and yet, the answer has been there all the time,
and At least I now know the Name
of the Father.
I dont know what to make of it yet but this is very interesting to me. What are you guys thoughts on this?
ps I didnt get a chance to tell you guys what i believed was the most important question in my other thread but i believe its who/what is the most important of them all but really as someone else also stated in that thread, i believe they all are basically the same or just as the Word is all One so is all of the questions but i say who is for those that believe in God, what is for those that are like athiests and agnostics and the rest. btw this thread isnt about whats in this ps, its about what Ray put in that email. Lets try to keep there please
Thanks and in Jesus
Anthony
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Yes, it's been 'caught'. :D
My thoughts are in another quote:
You'll have to wait till I finish my research for what I believe is the Scriptural answer to this enigma.
And this one:
...giving the answer and proving the answer are two different things...
Sorry, Anthony. You'll have to wait for what I think about it too. ;D That ought to be easier than waiting for Ray, though. :D :D
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Yes i caught those too. Truthfully i was hoping that one of you who get to talk to Ray may "leak" out something :o. Ive got my own speculations also but i will wait to see what Ray has found.
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Hi Anthony,
There has been so many questions about this subject and yes Ray has been dropping many hints, if you catch them :) Here is a resent email that I think goes right along with what you are saying.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,13157.0.html ----------
I have said for many years that "Jesus IS GOD" (see pp 22-23
of my article "God is NOT a Trinity). But if Jesus IS God and His Father IS God
don't we then have TWO GODS? There is ONLY ONE GOD!
but there is so much more to this teaching that just solving the riddle of how the Father and Son can both be God if..... I say IF they are separate Beings with separate personalities.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
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So interesting!
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When Ray completes his research on this I hope he holds a bible study on it and has it video taped. God willing. :)
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Didn't ray say that God was like a title, or a last name and not a being. Such as ray used the example of him being a smith, and his son being a smith but that he is the father of his son yet they are both smiths?
That's how I've always looked at it, from the way put it out like that in one of his conferences I believe. I could be wrong.
This is all so very interested though and I can't wait for rays expounding on this subject!
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Hi Anthony,
There has been so many questions about this subject and yes Ray has been dropping many hints, if you catch them :) Here is a resent email that I think goes right along with what you are saying.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,13157.0.html ----------
I have said for many years that "Jesus IS GOD" (see pp 22-23
of my article "God is NOT a Trinity). But if Jesus IS God and His Father IS God
don't we then have TWO GODS? There is ONLY ONE GOD!
but there is so much more to this teaching that just solving the riddle of how the Father and Son can both be God if..... I say IF they are separate Beings with separate personalities.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
Hi Kat,
Yea i did catch that too and honestly on that it smells of the trinity to me but then again Ray must have been shown something from God, so i wait patiently [really impatiently :'(] to see what he has been shown. There was another email where Ray dropped another clue, i am going to see if i can find it.
In Jesus
Anthony
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Hi Anthony,
The truth is what it is and we can not let anything stand in our way of reaching whatever it may be. I know I have had to unlearn so much junk, but who knows maybe we will find out a truth is close to something we had thrown out. Maybe we will have to rethink how we look at something. We cannot let anything in this world stand in my way from coming to know who God is. Ray's study should be able to explain this in detail as he does that will give us tons of Scripture to help us understand it.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Add to that this quote from Ray's July 27th letter (first thread in General Discussions):
What we can do is eliminate all of the popular theories of Who God is, including: [1] a trinity of three different persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, [2] a dual God consisting of Father and Son, excluding the Holy Spirit, and [3] the Father only, excluding both the Holy Spirit and the Son.
All three of these theories are wrong and unscriptural, though there are millions who are convinced that God is either #1 or #3. God is neither #1, #2, or #3, and I can prove it. There is no problem with excluding the Holy Spirit from the divine Godhead. The problem or enigma lies with the fact that the Scriptures clearly show that Jesus and His Father have Both existed from the beginning; Both are credited with creating the heavens and earth; Both exhibit all of the qualities of Deity; and Both are called God Yet the Scriptures state a dozen times that there is but ONE GOD! That's the enigma that needs solving. It's not that the proponents of these three theories are evil or stupid, but rather they do not harmonize all of the Scriptures. There are major Scriptural problems with all of the popular Christian theories as to just Who constitutes the divine nature of God--the Godhead.
The theory which comes closest to blaspheming the Name of God, however, is the 3rd one which not only totally denies the deity of Jesus, but lowers Him to nothing better than a lucky Jewish boy who grew up to age 33 without sinning. He was admittedly an outstanding citizen, an honor to His race, but nothing more. All those who have been hoodwinked into believing such an incredible lie will be be so embarrassed when they learn the truth that they will want to crawl under a rock and hide! I assure you all, that when the time came to die for the sins of the world, the Father did not say: "Son, YOU DO IT--I'll watch from up here."
Ray is definitely dropping hints, and I'm very excited to see this article when he finishes it - God willing.
In Him,
John
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'and yet, the answer has been there all the time, it's just that
we haven't believed the Scriptures. And giving the answer and proving the
answer are two different things, I assure you. At least I now know the Name
of the Father.'
Jesus came to reveal the Father, why not His Father's name also? What name was not used in the OT which can be found in the NT?
My theory is that the name of God is ..... "Christ" which means "Saviour or Messiah" in Greek. I believe "Christ" could somewhat be like a "surname" e.g. the son of John Osgood may be named Peter Osgood etc....
Can't wait for Ray to finish his paper soon....
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I'm not sure of the reason or importance of God's "name". I know there are names or titles given to God and I could see how that could tell you something of Him. But as of the importance of a name, I don't get it. I know JW push the name thing a lot and I tend to think you know God regardless of a "name." Does not the actions and fruits tell of something more than the name? Does anyone follow me on this? I know I once read a e-mail where Ray responded to someone getting all technical on the importance of Christ's name or something like that. So what is this name topic about and what is the importance of it? Thanks.
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I have to agree with River this makes little difference in the grand scheme of things. Jesus, while he was here, prayed to His Father. And mentioned several times that he was doing "His Fathers will" as for the end of times "no one knows not the Angels not the Son only the Father" That is good enough for me!
Sometimes I think the best of us can THINK way too much about things that are not that important. This is not some life changing spiritual revelation it is , at best, a theory that can never be proven
my two cents anyway
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For me, personally, this is a big deal because of the following Scripture:
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Knowing exactly Who God is - be it Jesus alone or a combination of the Father and Jesus - is a massively important bit of information to know - for me. Having those Scriptures which seemingly contradict (Old Testament v. New Testament) explained is also "not giving place to the Devil" for his deceptions, falsehoods, etc. That is just my thinking on it as I apply it to myself.
Song of Sol 2:15 Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes.
Not applying that to anyone else but myself. Just putting in another perspective.
In Him,
John
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And even if I knew the name of the Father, I will continue to call Him "Father". :)
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Sometimes I think the best of us can THINK way too much about things that are not that important. This is not some life changing spiritual revelation it is , at best, a theory that can never be proven
my two cents anyway
I believe all truth is important, all truth is life changing, and all truth will be revealed. Just my half a cent of an opinion. :D
John 8:31-32 - Jesus, therefore, said unto the Jews who believed in him, `If ye may remain in my word, truly my disciples ye are, and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.' (Young's Literal Translation)
René
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All very good points! :)
I always respect and value the input and opinions of every member of this forum. And you are right any searching for truth in the Bible has a value all it's own and should never be discouraged.
Mark
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Knowing that the words of God are spirit and not physical should give us a better understanding of what Gods name really is. Our own names in the flesh come from the parents that we come out of,our physical fathers and mothers.We then use our fleshy fathers surname because we are of the same line of fleshly heritage.
Spiritually speaking, when we are in Jesus and Jesus is in the Father and The Father and Jesus are in us that is how we become the true namesake [sons] of God by having His Spiritual name and character within.Our Spiritual name [written on a white stone] is the same as our Fathers name in heaven if we know His Spirit and do as He says through His Word.
Luk 6:46 Now why are you calling Me 'Lord,' and are not doing what I am saying?
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
When we do the will of the Father and keep His Word we then know His name[and the joy thereof] and what that name stands for by the knowledge of His Word. We become one in the Truth of His name.
Joh 17:6 I have given knowledge of your name to the men whom you gave me out of the world: yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your words.
Joh 17:8 Because I have given them the words which you gave to me; and they have taken them to heart, and have certain knowledge that I came from you, and they have faith that you sent me.
Joh 17:11 And now I will be no longer in the world, but they are in the world and I come to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name which you have given to me, so that they may be one even as we are one.
When we do not have Gods name in us,that is,His Spirit, this is the outcome.
Rom 2:24 For because of you the name of God is being blasphemed among the nations, according as it is written."
1Ti 6:1 Let all who are servants under the yoke give all honour to their masters, so that no evil may be said against the name of God and his teaching.
Rev 16:9 And men were burned with great heat: and they said evil things against the name of the God who has authority over these punishments; and they were not turned from their evil ways to give him glory.
Here is what a good name is,knowing none is good but the Father.
Mat 19:17 And He said to him, Why do you call Me good? There is none good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.
Ecc 7:1 A good name is better than oil of great price, and the day of death than the day of birth.
Pro 22:1 A good name is to be chosen rather than great riches; Grace is better than silver and gold..
When we have the name of God written within us by overcoming the things of the flesh, that same name is the hidden manna [bread;Christ] of the Fathers Spirit.
Rev 2:17 The one who has an ear, hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies. To the one overcoming, I will give him to eat from the hidden manna. And I will give to him a white stone, and on the stone a new name having been written, which no one knows except the one receiving it.
Because by knowing who God is and what His name stands for we can have life eternal.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Rev 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Peace...Mark
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I was just going through emails to Ray and this one came up:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,279.0/prev_next,prev.html#new
COMMENT (Ray's): No, no contradictions. Moses didn't see God the Father, he saw and spoke with Jehovah Who IS JESUS CHRIST. By the way, that happened in Deuteronomy, however, not Genesis. And No, Jesus was not THE FATHER IN THE FLESH. Jesus was JEHOVAH in the flesh.
Just wondering if there's any connection between this and what Ray's about to drop....
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http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,12075.0.html (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,12075.0.html)
Dear Andy:
Thank you for your email and questions. I'm afraid that I cannot go into much detail at present, although I have spend
probably a couple of hundred hours on this subject this past year, and intend to write a paper on it in the future, but not
today. It will probbly be titled: "Is Jesus GOD?"
A couple of things: When I wrote that paper on the Trinity (about ten years ago), I unfortunately allowed myself to use terms
that trinitarians use (example, "person"). I have since spend many many hours in the Scriptures on the trinitarian use of
that word "person." It is a most unforunate choice of words to describe God. Conclusion: Jesus IS a person, whereas
His Father is NOT a person. Don't have time to prove it now, but that's the truth. And no, I do not teach that the Holy
Spirit OF God is a person. I have no idea where you thought that I might be teaching that.
While it is true that Jesus did NOT say: "I and My Father are One GOD," there nonetheless, needs further clarification
on that verse, which I did not cover in my paper. My new paper will be rather lengthy, I'm afraid, as the subject of the
divinity of Jesus is a huge subject.
Here is another point for you to ponder until my paper comes out (and no, it won't be in the six months, so don't be
looking for it any time soon). Look at I Cor. 8:6 again. Notice that it does not say, "But to us there is but one God, the Father."
(Period). Nor does it say, "One Lord Jesus Christ." (Period). There is more to consider. Is this verse saying that "God the
Father" is the ONLY God," and that Jesus, therefore cannot also be "God?" For sure Jesus can't be HIS OWN FATHER, but
can Jesus also be "the ONE God?" Look at that first statement again, as it IS in the Scripture as I will re-emphasize the
words to make this one point: "But to us there is but ONE God, the Father, OF WHOM ARE ALL THINGS." There is only
One God, the Father, OUT OF Whom ALL IS" (Concordant Literal New Testament and The Emphatic Diaglott). Then
concerning Jesus we read: "One Lord Jesus Christ, BY Whom are all things."
"Of" and "by" are two different words--"of" is applied to the Father, where as "by" is applied to the Son. Actually the word
"by" is better translated "through," but that doesn't change the fact that they are different and are applied to different actions.
(See Rotherham's emphasized Bible, The Emphatic Diaglott, and The Concordant Literal New Testament for verification
of the word "through"). All creation is "OF" God the Father, but since Jesus was also created, not all creation is OF Jesus.
But the act of creation is attributed to Jesus (See I Collosians, etc.), hence it is "through" Jesus that all the things of creation
are brought into existence by or "through" Jesus Christ.
I'll have to end with that. As I said, this is a very large subject, but I will try to write on it in the future, God willing.
God be with you,
Ray
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Yes I too have found places throughout Ray's articles where he has mentioned things about the relationship between Father and Son. I suppose there is no way Ray can remember everything that he has written already, but it is clear that he has been working to understand this for a long time.
http://bible-truths.com/email5.htm#father -----------------------------------
Christ is the Image of the Invisible God. Christ is EVERYTHING that the Father is, only in the visible flesh of humanity. In that respect Christ IS our Father just as Isaiah prophesied. Jesus said to know Him is to KNOW THE FATHER. So, clearly, we know all that the Father is, THROUGH CHRIST! And that includes FATHERHOOD. Jesus Christ not only was a man, He is now and always will be A MAN. Notice that AFTER Jesus was resurrected and returned to the glory and splendor that He had in the beginning with God, that He is STILL called a MAN,
"For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, A MAN, Christ Jesus..." (I Tim. 2:5).
Try this: There is ONE GOD. Jesus Christ came OUT FROM God and is called the "Son OF God." The Holy Spirit comes OUT FROM God and is called the "spirit OF God." But God has bestowed on Jesus ALL THAT HE IS AND ALL THAT HE HAS, hence Jesus also has this SAME SPIRIT and therefore there is the "spirit OF Christ" which is the SAME spirit OF God. They BOTH possess the SAME SPIRIT. And as they possess the SAME SPIRIT, they are ONE!
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First, there is no such thing as a "Godhead." It is "Divine" or "Divinity" or "Deity,"
and it means "that which pertains to God." God the Father lived and spoke and worked
in His Son Jesus. In his body, Jesus represented God the Father. Hence, he told Philip
that when he saw Christ he also saw His Father (John 14:8-11). "I and My Father
are ONE" (John 10:30).
God be with you,
Ray
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I thought God's name was "I AM!" or "the Great I AM". Duane
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Hi Duane,
That is one of His names that describe Jesus Christ for sure, but their are many more. I got these out of Nave's Topical Bible.
Adam - 1Cor 15:45
Advocate - 1John 2:1
Almighty - Rev 1:8
Alpha and Omega - Rev 1:8
Amen - Rev 3:14
Angel - Gen 48:16; Exo 23:20-21
Angel of His Presence - Isa 63:9
Anointed - Psa 2:2
Apostle - Heb 3:1
Arm of the Lord - Isa 51:9-10
Author and Finisher of Our Faith - Heb 12:2
Beginning and End of the Creation of God - Rev 3:14; Rev 22:13
Beloved - Eph 1:6
Bishop - 1Pe 2:25
Blessed and Only Potentate - 1Tim 6:15
Branch - Jer 23:5; Zec 3:8
Bread of Life - John 6:48
Bridegroom - Matt 9:15
Bright and Morning Star - Rev 22:16
Brightness of the Father's Glory - Heb 1:3
Captain of the Lord's Host - Joshua 5:14
Captain of Salvation - Heb 2:10
Carpenter - Mark 6:3
Carpenter's Son - Matt 13:55
Chief Shepherd - 1Peter 5:4
Chief Cornerstone - 1Peter 2:6
Chiefest Among Ten Thousand - Song of Solomon 5:10
Child - Isa 9:6; Luke 2:27; Luke 2:43
Chosen of God - 1Peter 2:4
Christ - Matt 1:16; Luke 9:20
The Christ - Mat 16:20; Mark 14:61
Christ, a King - Luke 23:2
Christ Jesus - Acts 19:4; Rom 3:24; 8:1; 1Cor 1:2; 1:30; Heb 3:1; 1Peter5:10; 5:14
Christ Jesus Our Lord - 1Tim 1:12; Rom 8:39
Christ of God - Luke 9:20
Christ, the chosen of God - Luke 23:35
Christ, the Lord - Luke 2:11
Christ, the Power of God - 1Cor 1:24
Christ, the Wisdom of God - 1Cor 1:24
Christ, the Son of God - Acts 9:20
Christ, Son of the Blessed - Mark 14:61
Commander - Isa 55:4
Consolation of Israel - Luke 2:25
Cornerstone - Eph 2:20
Counsellor - Isa 9:6
Covenant of the People - Isa 42:6
David - Jer 30:9
Daysman - Job_9:33
Dayspring - Luke 1:78
Day Star - 2Peter 1:19
Deliverer - Rom 11:26
Desire of All Nations - Haggai 2:7
Door - John 10:7
Elect - Isa 42:1
Emmanuel - Isa 7:14
Ensign - Isa 11:10
Eternal life - 1John 5:20
Everlasting Father - Isa_9:6
Faithful and True - Rev 19:11
Faithful Witness - Rev 1:5
Faithful and True Witness - Rev 3:14
Finisher of Faith - Heb 12:2
First and Last - Rev 1:17; Rev 2:8; Rev 22:13
First Begotten - Heb 1:6
First Begotten of the Dead - Rev 1:5
Firstborn - Psa 89:27
Foundation - Isa 28:16
Fountain - Zec 13:1
Forerunner - Heb 6:20
Friend of Sinners - Matt 11:19
Gift of God - John 4:10
Glory of Israel - Luke 2:32
God - John 1:1
God Blessed Forever - Rom 9:5
God Manifest in the Flesh - 1Tim 3:16
God of Israel, the Savior - Isa 45:15
God of the Whole Earth - Isa 54:5
God our Savior - 1Tim 2:3
God's Dear Son - Col 1:13
God With Us - Matt 1:23
Good Master - Matt 19:16
Governor - Matt 2:6
Great Shepherd of the Sheep - Heb 13:20
Head of the Church - Eph 5:23
Heir of all Things - Heb 1:2
High Priest - Heb 4:14
Head of Every Man - 1Co 11:3
Head of the Church - Col 1:18
Head of the Corner - Matt 21:42
Holy Child Jesus - Acts 4:30
Holy One - Psa 16:10; Acts 3:14
Holy One of God - Mark 1:24
Holy One of Israel - Isa 41:14; Isa 54:5
Holy Thing - Luke 1:35
Hope (Our) - 1Tim 1:1
Horn of Salvation - Luke 1:69
I Am - John 8:58
Image of God - Heb 1:3
Israel - Isa 49:3
Jehovah - Isa 40:3
Jehovah's Fellow - Zec 13:7
Jesus - Matt 1:21
Jesus Christ - Matt 1:1; John 1:17; 17:3; Acts 2:38; 4:10; 9:34; 10:36; 16:18; Rom 1:1; 1:3; 1:6; 2:16; 5:15; 5:17; 6:3; 1Cor 1:1; 1:4; 2:2; 2Cor 1:19; 4:6; 13:5; Gal 2:16; Phi 1:8; 2:11; 1Ti 1:15; Heb 13:8; 1Jo 1:7; 2:1
Jesus Christ Our Lord - Rom 1:3; 6:11; 6:23; 1Cor 1:9; 7:25
Jesus Christ Our Savior - Titus 3:6
Jesus of Nazareth - Mark 1:24; Luke 24:19
Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews - John 19:19
Jesus, the King of the Jews - Matt 27:37
Jesus, the Son of God - Heb 4:14
Jesus, the Son of Joseph - John 6:42
Judge - Acts 10:42
Just Man - Matt 27:19
Just One - Acts 3:14; Acts 7:52; 22:14
Just Person - Matt 27:24
King - Matt 21:5
King of Israel - John 1:49
King of the Jews - Matt 2:2
King of Saints - Rev 15:3
King of Kings - 1Tim 6:15; Rev 17:14
King of Glory - Psa 24:7-10
King of Zion - Matt 21:5
King over All The Earth - Zec 14:9
Lamb - Rev 5:6; 5:8; 6:16; 7:9-10; 7:17; 12:11; 13:8; 13:11; 14:1; 14:4; 15:3; 17:14; 19:7; 19:9; 21:9; 21:14; 21:22-23; 21:27
Lamb of God - John 1:29
Lawgiver - Isa 33:22
Leader - Isa 55:4
Life - John_14:6
Light - John 8:12
Light, Everlasting - Isa 60:20
Light of the World - John 8:12
Light to the Gentiles - Isa 42:6
Light, True - John 1:9
Living Bread - John 6:51
Living Stone - 1Peter 2:4
Lion of the Tribe of Judah - Rev 5:5
Lord - Rom 1:3
Lord of Lords - Rev 17:14; Rev 19:16
Lord of All - Acts 10:36
Lord our Righteousness - Jer 23:6
Lord God Almighty - Rev 15:3
Lord from Heaven - 1Cor 15:47
Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ - 2Peter 1:11; 2Peter 3:18
Lord Christ - Col 3:24
Lord Jesus - Acts 7:59; Col 3:17; 1Thess 4:12
Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17; 16:31; 20:21; Rom 5:1; 5:11; 13:14
Lord Jesus Christ, Our Savior - Titus 1:4
Lord of Glory - James 2:1
Lord of Hosts - Isa 44:6
Lord, Mighty in Battle - Psa 24:8
Lord of the Dead and Living - Rom 14:9
Lord of the Sabbath - Mark 2:28
Lord Over All - Rom 10:12
Lord's Christ - Luke 2:26
Lord Strong and Mighty - Psa 24:8
Lord, The, Our Righteousness - Jer 23:6
Lord, Your Holy One - Isa 43:15
Lord, Your Redeemer - Isa 43:14
Man Christ Jesus - 1Tim 2:5
Man of Sorrows - Isa 53:3
Master - Matt 23:8
Mediator - 1Tim 2:5
Messenger of the Covenant - Malachi 3:1
Messiah - John 1:41
Messiah the Prince - Daniel 9:25
Mighty God - Isa 9:6
Mighty one of Israel - Isa 30:29
Mighty one of Jacob - Isa 49:26
Mighty to Save - Isa_63:1
Minister of the Sanctuary - Heb 8:2
Morning Star - Rev 22:16
Most Holy - Daniel 9:24
Most Mighty - Psa 45:3
Nazarene - Matt 2:23
Offspring of David - Rev 22:16
Only Begotten - John 1:14
Only Begotten of the Father - John 1:14
Only Begotten Son - John 1:18
Only Wise God, Our Savior - Jude 1:25
Passover - 1Cor 5:7
Plant of Renown - Eze 34:29
Potentate - 1Tim 6:15
Power of God - 1Cor 1:24
Physician - Matt_9:12
Precious Cornerstone - Isa 28:16
Priest - Heb 7:17
Prince - Acts 5:31
Prince of Life - Acts 3:15
Prince of Peace - Isa 9:6
Prince of the Kings of the Earth - Rev 1:5
Prophet - Deu 18:15; 18:18; Matt 21:11; Luke 24:19
Propitiation - 1John 2:2
Rabbi - John 1:49
Rabboni - John 20:16
Ransom - 1Tim 2:6
Redeemer - Isa 59:20
Resurrection and Life - John 11:25
Redemption - 1Cor_1:30
Righteous Branch - Jere 23:5
Righteous Judge - 2Tim 4:8
Righteous Servant - Isa 53:11
Righteousness - 1Cor 1:30
Rock - 1Cor 10:4
Rock of Offence - 1Peter 2:8
Root of David - Rev 5:5; Rev 22:16
Root of Jesse - Isa 11:10
Rose of Sharon - Song of Solomon 2:1
Ruler in Israel - Micah 5:2
Salvation - Luke 2:30
Sanctification - 1Cor 1:30
Sanctuary - Isa 8:14
Savior - Luke 2:11
Savior, Jesus Christ - 2Tim 1:10; Titus 2:13; 2Peter 1:1
Savior of the Body - Eph 5:23
Savior of the World - 1John 4:14
Sceptre - Num 24:17
Second Man - 1Cor 15:47
Seed of David - 2Tim 2:8
Seed of the Woman - Gen 3:15
Servant - Isa 42:1
Servant of Rulers - Isa 49:7
Shepherd - Mark_14:27
Shepherd and Bishop of Souls - 1Peter 2:25
Shepherd, Chief - 1Peter 5:4
Shepherd, Good - John_10:11
Shepherd, Great - Heb 13:20
Shepherd of Israel - Psa 80:1
Shiloh - Gen 49:10
Son of the Father - 2John 1:3
Son of God - 45 times, too many to include
Son of Man - 85 times, too many to include
Son of the Blessed - Mark 14:61
Son of the Highest - Luke 1:32
Son of David - Matt 9:27
Star - Num 24:17
Sun of Righteousness - Malachi 4:2
Surety - Heb 7:22
Stone - Matt 21:42
Stone of Stumbling - 1Peter 2:8
Sure Foundation - Isa 28:16
Teacher - John 3:2
True God - 1John 5:20
True Vine - John 15:1
Truth - John 14:6
Unspeakable Gift - 2Cor 9:15
Very Christ - Acts 9:22
Vine - John 15:1
Way - John 14:6
Which Is, Which Was, Which Is To Come - Rev 1:4
Wisdom - Proverbs 8:12
Wisdom of God - 1Cor 1:24
Witness - Isa 55:4; Rev 1:5
Wonderful - Isa 9:6
Word - John 1:1
Word of God - Rev 19:13
Word of Life - 1John 1:1
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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This name thing has lead me to an interesting study. Since the Apostles were Jews and raised accordingly, I have looked into the names for God used in Judaism, which the Apostles in turn may have used. We may not need to look on the name as something more then who it represents, but there are definite ways to use it in a more appropriately manner and it is good to understand this better.
I have used Wikipedia in an attempt to not get caught up in religion, but of course that is written by men as well, but I think we can get a good idea from this.
Names of God in Judaism
excerpts from Wikipedia
The most important and most often written name of God in Judaism is the Tetragrammaton, the four-letter name of God, also known as יהוה, or YHWH. It appears 6,828 times in the Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia edition of the Hebrew Masoretic text.
In appearance, YHWH is an archaic third person singular imperfect of the verb "to be", meaning, therefore, "He is". This explanation agrees with the meaning of the name given in Exodus 3:14, where God is represented as speaking, and hence as using the first person—"I am". It stems from the Hebrew conception of monotheism that God exists by himself for himself, and is the uncreated Creator who is independent of any concept, force, or entity; therefore "I am that I am". Therefore, although Ehyeh asher ehyeh is generally rendered in English "I am that I am", better renderings might be "I will be what I will be" or "I will be who I will be", or even "I will be because I will be". In these renderings, the phrase becomes an open-ended gloss on God's promise in Exodus 3:12. Other renderings include: Leeser, “I WILL BE THAT I WILL BE”; Rotherham, “I Will Become whatsoever I please.” Greek, Ego eimi ho on (ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν), "I am The Being" in the Septuagint, and Philo, and Revelation or, “I am The Existing One”; Lat., ego sum qui sum, “I am Who I am.”
Ehyeh asher ehyeh (Hebrew: אהיה אשר אהיה) is the first of three responses given to Moses when he asks for God's name (Exodus 3:14). Ehyeh is the first-person singular imperfect form of hayah, "to be", Ehyeh is usually translated "I will be". Asher is an ambiguous pronoun which can mean, depending on context, "that", "who", "which", or "where".
In the Masoretic Text the name YHWH is vowel pointed as יְהֹוָה, pronounced YAH-HO-VAH in modern Hebrew, and Yəhōwāh in Tiberian vocalization. Traditionally in Judaism, the name is not pronounced but read as Adonai, "my Lord" during prayer, and referred to as HaShem, "the Name" at all other times. This is done out of hesitation to pronounce the name in the absence of the Temple in Jerusalem, due to its holiness.
When the Masoretes added vowel pointings to the text of the Hebrew Bible around the 8th century CE, they gave the word YHWH vowels very similar to that of Adonai. Tradition has dictated this is to remind the reader to say Adonai instead. Later medieval Christian Biblical scholars took this vowel substitution for the actual spelling of YHWH and misinterpreted the name of God as Jehovah.
The name Shaddai (Hebrew: שַׁדַּי) is often paraphrased in English translations as "Almighty" although this is an interpretive element. The name then refers to the pre-Mosaic patriarchal understanding of deity as "God who is sufficient." God is sufficient, that is, to supply all of one's needs, and therefore by derivation "almighty". It may also be understood as an allusion to the singularity of deity "El" as opposed to "Elohim" plural being sufficient or enough for the early patriarchs of Judaism. To this was latter added the Mosaic conception of YHWH as God who is sufficient in Himself, that is, a self-determined eternal Being qua Being, for whom limited descriptive names cannot apply. This may have been the probable intent of "eyeh asher eyeh" which is by extension applied to YHWH (a likely anagram for the three states of Being past, present and future conjoined with the conjunctive letter vav), cf. Exodus 3:13–15.
Seven Names of God
In medieval times, God was sometimes called The Seven. Among the ancient Hebrews, the seven names for the God of Israel over which the scribes had to exercise particular care were:
1.Eloah
2.Elohim
3.Adonai
4.Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh
5.YHWH
6.El Shaddai
7.Tzevaot
Lesser used names of God
~ Adir—"Strong One"
~Adon Olam—"Master of the World"
~Aibishter—"The Most High" (Yiddish)
~Aleim—sometimes seen as an alternative transliteration of Elohim
~Avinu Malkeinu—"Our Father, our King"
~Boreh—"the Creator"
~Ehiyeh sh'Ehiyeh—"I Am That I Am": a modern Hebrew version of "Ehyeh asher Ehyeh"
~Elohei Avraham, Elohei Yitzchak ve Elohei Ya`aqov—"God of Abraham, God of Isaac, God of Jacob"
~Elohei Sara, Elohei Rivka, Elohei Leah ve Elohei Rakhel—"God of Sarah, God of Rebecca,
God of Leah, God of Rachel"
~El ha-Gibbor—"God the hero" or "God the strong one" or "God the warrior"
~Emet—"Truth"
~E'in Sof—"endless, infinite", Kabbalistic name of God
~HaKadosh, Barukh Hu (Hebrew); Kudsha, Brikh Hu (Aramaic)—"The Holy One, Blessed be He"
~Kadosh Israel—"Holy One of Israel"
~Melech HaMelachim—"The King of kings" or Melech Malchei HaMelachim "The King,
King of kings" to express superiority to the earthly rulers title. Phillip Birnbaum
renders it "The King Who rules over kings"
~Makom or HaMakom—literally "the place", perhaps meaning "The Omnipresent"; see Tzimtzum
~Magen Avraham—"Shield of Abraham"
~Ribono shel `Olam—"Master of the World"
~Ro'eh Yisra'el—"Shepherd of Israel"
~YHWH-Yireh (Adonai-jireh)—"The LORD will provide" (Genesis 22:13–14)
~YHWH-Rapha—"The LORD that healeth" (Exodus 15:26)
~YHWH-Niss"i (Adonai-Nissi)—"The LORD our Banner" (Exodus 17:8–15)
~YHWH-Shalom—"The LORD our Peace" (Judges 6:24)
~YHWH-Ro'i—"The LORD my Shepherd" (Psalm 23:1)
~YHWH-Tsidkenu—"The LORD our Righteousness"[32] (Jeremiah 23:6)
~YHWH-Shammah (Adonai-shammah)—"The LORD is present" (Ezekiel 48:35)
~Tzur Israel—"Rock of Israel"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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I find this fascinating, all these names for our one God! This just further enhances the awesomeness of our Creator. :)
René
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I'm often suspect of the El titles because we know many ancient religions and that of the Saturn worship groups are related with this. I think we must be careful with this ancient history because it isn't all clear and we have Christ slamming those religious groups who claim to be in line with the only true God and yet he knew it was not.
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Hi River,
Yes any name can be used with a improper connotation attached to it. What I am seeing is that all these 'names' are titles that can be ascribed to God and have also been attributed to other gods as well. I think our God would know what our intent was in using such a word.
What I got from that info was that יהוה - YHWH is considered the name of the God of Israel. But Elohim, El, Shaddai and Adonai are not names but titles. So I do not see how using them would be inappropriate as it is a descriptive term, whereas the word YHWH would be considered the identified name of the God of Israel.
I think it is in the way that we use the word/name and God knows what our intent is in the way that we speak of Him and His Spirit will intercedes until He shows us what is right.
Rom 8:27 And He searching the hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Hey Kat,
I see what your saying. That is one thing that I now rest more assure in now that I see things differently. The fact that God understands! For me there is a lot of peace in that.
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Something that thrills my heart is this scripture: [Romans 8:15] For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
It's like calling him "Daddy." We have that privilege. I'm not worried about his name. My earthly dad would be shocked if I called him by his name.
Pat