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=> Email to Ray => Topic started by: Craig on December 09, 2006, 11:36:25 AM

Title: You are an Idiot
Post by: Craig on December 09, 2006, 11:36:25 AM
Dear Jill:
I will make a few COMMENTS in your email.................

    I have read through 3 of your letters, on tithing and on the rapture and on Jesus' anger and scathing words to the priests and such.  I have also read through some emails.
    I just have to say how scarry you are to me and how dangerous you are to others. I have the deepest sorrow for anyone who believes what you write. It is confusing and you seem to pick and choose through the scriptures to back up what you want to say and it gets twisted so you can prove a point.  It is very clear to me that you are very opinionated and have a chip on your shoulder about something, but for some reason I do believe that you are trying to help others come closer to God, although I can't seem to believe you are doing anything else but keeping that from happening.  In the case of your letter on the Rapture, you have left out alot of scriptures that prove that it is real.  23 to be exact.  There is a difference between the Rapture and the second coming, a point you never really made. Now I am not trying to be mean to you, but I really think before you take on the responsibility of preaching to others, perhaps you need to at tend some bible classes or something, because you are misleading people and God will judge you for that. Seriously!
    I hope that you post my email, so that I can warn others to not take your website seriously, to just study the word for themselves, because you are NOT  knowledgable enough to guide anyone.
     
    COMMENT:  Here is the definition of the "rapture" straight from a died in the wool rapture site:  "What is The Rapture?" The Second Coming of Christ will occur  in stages.  First, He will remove all Christians from the Earth, to protect them.  This is called "The Rapture."
     
    Now your comment:   "There is a difference between the Rapture and the second coming, a point you never really made."
     
    Put your two scholars together and here is what we have:  "The rapture is the coming of Christ in STAGES.  The first stage is the removal of all Christians from the Earth.  [This is where most writers state they will go to heaven, but this one didn't]. And then add your statement that this "rapture" is different from the "second coming" of Christ.
     
    Interesting:  The rapture IS the "second coming,"   but the "second coming" comes in stages starting with a "first second coming" followed by a "second second coming?" Did I get that right?  I believe I did. I also believe that you believe in contradicting, unscriptural, gobbledygook and word games. The Bible knows nothing of a "first second coming" and a "second second coming."  That is unscriptural foolishness, and you know it.
     
    Please look up these Scriptures on the Rapture for further reference, Although I pray that your website shut down before you do any further damage!
     
    John 14:1-3
     
    COMMENT:  Okay, let me quote this first Scripture of yours and show you that your two comings theory is not in there:
     
    "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in Me.  In My Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prapare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am [when He returns to this earth, He will be ON THIS EARTH], there [ON THIS EARTH, with an "office or an abode" of rulership, not a large frame HOUSE] you may be also." 
     
    Where do you read or ever even conceive of a "first second coming" or "second second coming" in that Scripture?  The facts are, that ALL of the Scriptures used by rapturists to defend a rapture theory, speak of Christs "coming." PERIOD!  His coming to raise the saints and rule the world.  There are no exceptions.  I'll make this easy on both of us:  Show me the verses that speak of and distinguish between a "first second coming," and a "second second coming" of our Lord, and I will admit error. Fair enough?
    God be with you,
    Ray
     
     
     
     
    Romans 8:19
    ! Corinthians 1:7-8
    1 corintians 15:51-53--
    1 Corinthians 16:22
    Philippians 3:20-21    Philippians 4:5    Colossians 3:4
    1 Thessalonians 1:10, 2:19, 4:13-18, 5:9, 23
    2 Thessalonians 2:1
    1 Timothy 6:14    2 Timothy 4:1,8    Titus 2:13
    Hebrews 9:28    James 5:7-9    1 Peter 1:7, 13 and  5:4
    1 John 2:28-3:2
    Jude 1:21
    Revelation 2:25