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=> Introductions, Announcements, and More of Ray's Teachings => Topic started by: onelovedread on May 12, 2012, 03:43:58 PM
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I've read Ray's papers and email comments on homosexuality and I have a general question.
Based on the definition(s) of marriage found in the scriptures, is the recent phenomenon of same 'sex marriage' really marriage in God's sight?
Or is what has been declared to be legal in many states, still just only a civil union in the eyes of God?
I guess what I am asking is can man actually change the meaning and definition of an institution that was created by God?
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I don't have a problem with this subject as long as politics is not discussed in any form.
Please keep you opinions about the President, Romney, Republicans, Democrats, etc. to yourselves.
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Hey, John
Lots of things are declared legal by governments but that doesn't make them okay or right.
I can think of worse things that are legal than same sex marriage. I don't know what I'd do if put in the position of having to declare it legal, though. I'd probably say, Hey, Whatever floats your boats! Now can I have some peace and quiet?! :D
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Gina and Dennis
I really want to see if we as people called by God, can live according to principles that are independent of popular or political positions. Ray has written that as followers of Christ, we should not be involving ourselves in political stuff. I am sure that I read that he does not have any party affiliation. Yes, I'm aware of that and have no intention of introducing any discussion of politics. I am looking for Godly, practical Wisdom. What I'm searching for is how God sees the major issues of life, so that I can live by them (sort of like a code). So I am trying to establish what is marriage in His eyes. Nothing political but how we deal with it from a spiritual perspective.
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I am looking for Godly, practical Wisdom. What I'm searching for is how God sees the major issues of life, so that I can live by them (sort of like a code). So I am trying to establish what is marriage in His eyes.]I am looking for Godly, practical Wisdom. What I'm searching for is how God sees the major issues of life, so that I can live by them (sort of like a code). So I am trying to establish what is marriage in His eyes.
Yeah right. ;)
You haven't read Ray's paper where he explicitly lays out the truth? What's marriage? It's a ceremony. It's a ceremony where two people come together and recite vows in front of witnesses declaring their commitment to love, cherish, honor till death do they part. I would personally let them, seeing how God is not standing in their way. Would God join in the marriage ceremony and celebrate the reception... I don't see that happening. Ever.
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This is one of those things to be honest that doesn't seem that hard unless we've got another angle of some sort.
1st witness;
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
2nd witness;
Mat 19:5-6 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
3rd witness;
Eph 5:31-32 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
There are many witnesses to what God says that marriage is. That being said I don't see in scriptures any civil authority blessing or giving license to a marriage union. This is a spiritual union and not a civil one. The activists however desire the dignity which God bestows on the marriage union, after all how can what they do be a 'sin' if they are married? Unfortunately I don't expect our civil authorities (don't care what political party they belong to) to uphold that which is good, decent and right anymore. They can have their 'civil' unions. God will deal with them in His way and His time as He does with us. Better not expect me to approve of it however as I won't.
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So I am trying to establish what is marriage in His eyes. Nothing political but how we deal with it from a spiritual perspective.
Heb 13:4 Let marriage be honourable in all, and the bed undefiled, for, fornicators and adulterers, God, will judge.
As an ambassador of Christ we are told to come out of the world and to not partake of the affairs of this world.When one worships the creature and his ways, via going against the Word of God, what we have left is a reprobate mind,which in turn,is not a righteous way of thinking and acting. What we as children of God call sinful,the world calls traditions of men. This is the worlds way of turning the lies of Satan into their own misunderstood and unscriptural truths of the walking dead.
A sin is a sin no matter what type it is,its all a falling short of the Spirit of God. The Lord will cause all to repent and come to Him when the time comes,no matter what the abomination.
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Peace...Mark
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From the Scriptures, God only honors the covenant forged between one man and one woman (see Arion's post). Therefore, any sexual intercourse/activity outside of that covenant is a sin (man with man, woman with woman, or man with woman).
Marriage is legally what the government says it is. Those religious groups that try to get involved in politics are just taking Satan up on the offer that Christ refused ("I will give you all the kingdoms of this world..." Mat 4:9).
Plus, one thing to keep in mind is what the Lord inspired James to write:
"For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all" (James 2:10).
Therefore, if someone lies, they are guilty of homosexual acts. If someone hates, he is guilty of murder. Etc, etc. It really brings home Christ's commandment of, "Judge not, lest ye be judged..." (Mat 7:1)
Just some Word for thought :)
In Him,
John
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The problem isn't so much the sin, as it is the attitude behind it. We should be able to perceive and judge that.
While homosexuality is obviously a sin and I don't condemn homosexuals, I do take offense to the attempt to socially justify the behaviour by perverting the definition of marriage.
Isaiah 5:20
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
20 Wo [to] those saying to evil `good,' And to good `evil,' Putting darkness for light, and light for darkness, Putting bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter.
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Not a equal rights issue for me, but a choice between good and evil, and a moral judgement.
Judges 17:6
In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes.
Joel
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I'm not sure ceremonies count toward a marriage in God's eyes? Anything physical is redundant, right? Marriage is just a coming together, that is basically what it means. The church have a problem with it, but then the church has a problem with everything. Is it "not right" for gays to be married in God's eyes? Apparently so. But there are hundreds of other sins aside from being gay. Ive slept with women i am not married to, plus other things, its just one of those beam out of my eye things.
One thing i did learn yesterday was this. reading Ray's article on "guilty of one guilty of all". It opened up another revelation.. It means if i am guilty of one sin, i am guilty of therefore of still being in the flesh enough to have the potential to do more sinful things. So if God wanted to turn me gay tomorrow - he could. Does anyone know the story of the straight man who literally woke from a coma gay?
Its scary how God can cause things to happen beyond our control.
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It opened up another revelation.. It means if i am guilty of one sin, i am guilty of therefore of still being in the flesh enough to have the potential to do more sinful things.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Its scary how God can cause things to happen beyond our control.
Jer 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
Pro 16:1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue is from the Lord
Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Pro 20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?
Ecc 1:13 I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens: it is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it.
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...So if God wanted to turn me gay tomorrow - he could. Does anyone know the story of the straight man who literally woke from a coma gay?
Its scary how God can cause things to happen beyond our control.
Are you saying gay people are "scary"? ??? That's not very nice. ;) Just kidding.
Seriously, I don't agree with you about the ceremony not being necessary - no offense.
I used to think the same thing as you, but upon further study, it's clear to me, at least, a ceremony is absolutely necessary if for no other reason than to show that the BRIDE (the weaker sex) has given consent to be married/joined to the man.
See, if no ceremony was necessary, then any schlepp could walk up to a girl of any age and make her his "wife." Do you see how they treat little girls in Asia and the Far East -- it's horrible how parents "marry" off their young girls (even toddlers!) to these older men or whoever wants their little bodies. It's sad and disgusting and infuriating! Grrrr!!!! And they say, that right there is my wife!
But thank God! that's not the way it's supposed to be! At least not in America.
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No but some lesbians are, geez, some of them frighten the hell outa me ;)
Just kidding again. No offence meant to anyone here.
I mean when i say no ceremony, i mean obviously there has to be consent, Gina. The custom Asian way you describe is not consensual, so therefore not relevant to my point. I mean 2 people who consensualy come together, in agreement under God, without the need for a ceremony are a marriage. Thats just my opinion based on nothing other than i see the physical realm as redundant when talking about spiritual things according to what i've learned here.
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Me
No but some lesbians are, geez, some of them frighten the hell outa me ;)
Me too!
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Hey, Zander
I'm sure you're familiar with the saying, "A person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still," so I'm not going to try and shove my personal beliefs down anyone's throat either.
But I'm sorry, I just have to say this and I'm not addressing this to you or anyone in particular -- just putting it out there:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/man-fathered-30-kids-needs-break-child-support-140439765.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/man-fathered-30-kids-needs-break-child-support-140439765.html)
He did things his way (not judging!! this could've easily been anyone of us), but he's still going to have to pay the price as if he were legally married to all 11 women. Who wants to wager a bet he wouldn't have legally married all 11 women knowing he'd go on to have 30 kids he's gonna have to support for the rest of his natural life? It's hard not to feel sorry for the guy. He's very handsome. I'd bet he's very charismatic. I imagine the women were practically beating down his door.
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OK so to qualify further - consensual with one person and one person only. Think that covers it?
Oh actually i did qualify it, i did say 2 people coming together.
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We're totally veering off topic at this point (sorry John).
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But I do think it was awfully good of God to have His contracts written down instead of simply spoken. I mean, imagine the confusion and loss if not for the fact that we have the ability to put words to paper and some are smart enough to take advantage of it. Like when it comes to doing business, for instance. If not, anyone could say anything and potentially get their way -- good or bad -- right or wrong.
Consentual, pffft.
Oops! I mean, conSENSUAL. ;)
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And P.S. Should I ever decide to get married there will be a pre-nup. Oh, I can just imagine the fireworks then.
teehee
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Gina
I always suspected you were a woman of substance ;)
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That's quite the signature, John.
Love your new picture by the way. Snake River?
I had to look up the word substance. It's my new favorite word. :-*
1. (n.) substance
that of which a thing consists; physical matter or material:
form and substance.
2. substance
a kind of matter of definite chemical composition:
a metallic substance.
3. substance
the actual matter of a thing, as opposed to the appearance or shadow; reality.
4. substance
substantial or solid character or quality:
claims lacking in substance.
5. substance
consistency; body.
6. substance
the meaning or gist, as of speech or writing.
7. substance
possessions, means, or wealth.
8. substance
Philos.
9. substance
that which exists by itself and in which accidents or attributes inhere.
10. substance
concerning the essentials; substantially.
11. substance
actually; really.
Etymology: (1250–1300; ME < L substantia=sub-sub - +stant-, s. of stāns, prp. of stāre to stand+-ia -ia (see -ance ); calque of Gk
Definition of 'substance' Princeton's WordNet
1. (noun) substance
the real physical matter of which a person or thing consists
"DNA is the substance of our genes"
2. (noun) kernel, substance, core, center, centre, essence, gist, heart, heart and soul, inwardness, marrow, meat, nub, pith, sum, nitty-gritty
the choicest or most essential or most vital part of some idea or experience
"the gist of the prosecutor's argument"; "the heart and soul of the Republican Party"; "the nub of the story"
3. (noun) meaning, substance
the idea that is intended
"What is the meaning of this proverb?"
4. (noun) substance
material of a particular kind or constitution
"the immune response recognizes invading substances"
5. (noun) means, substance
considerable capital (wealth or income)
"he is a man of means"
6. (noun) message, content, subject matter, substance
what a communication that is about something is about
7. (noun) substance
a particular kind or species of matter with uniform properties
"shigella is one of the most toxic substances known to man"
Definition of 'substance' Kernerman English Learner’s Dictionary
1. (noun) substance
a type of physical material
a chemical substance that is contaminating water supplies; explosive substances
2. substance
harmful drugs
He was arrested for possession of a controlled substance.; substance abuse
3. substance
meaning, value, or usefulness
There was no real substance to the news reports
Definition of 'substance' Webster Dictionary
1. (noun) substance
that which underlies all outward manifestations; substratum; the permanent subject or cause of phenomena, whether material or spiritual; that in which properties inhere; that which is real, in distinction from that which is apparent; the abiding part of any existence, in distinction from any accident; that which constitutes anything what it is; real or existing essence
2. (noun) substance
the most important element in any existence; the characteristic and essential components of anything; the main part; essential import; purport
3. (noun) substance
body; matter; material of which a thing is made; hence, substantiality; solidity; firmness; as, the substance of which a garment is made; some textile fabrics have little substance
4. (noun) substance
material possessions; estate; property; resources
5. (noun) substance
same as Hypostasis,
6. (verb) substance
to furnish or endow with substance; to supply property to; to make rich
http://www.definitions.net/definition/substance
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Hey my friend, You nailed in on the last word: rich!!! ha ha
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Rich? Gee, what does that mean? Let's find out: ;D
Definition of 'rich' Random House Webster's College Dictionary
1. (adj.) rich
having wealth or great possessions; abundantly supplied with resources, means, or funds.
2. rich
abounding in natural resources:
a rich territory.
3. rich
abounding (usu. fol. by in or with):
rich in beauty.
4. rich
of great value or worth:
a rich harvest.
5. rich
delectably or excessively spicy, or sweet and abounding in butter or cream:
a rich gravy; a rich pastry.
6. rich
costly, expensively elegant, or fine, as jewels.
7. rich
made of valuable materials or with elaborate workmanship, as furniture.
8. rich
(of color) deep, strong, or vivid.
9. rich
full and mellow in tone:
a rich voice.
10. rich
strongly fragrant; pungent:
a rich odor.
11. rich
producing or yielding abundantly:
rich soil.
12. rich
abundant, plentiful, or ample:
a rich supply.
13. rich
(of a mixture in a fuel system) having a relatively high ratio of fuel to air
14. rich
Informal.
15. rich
highly amusing.
16. rich
ridiculous; absurd.
17. (n.) rich
the rich, rich persons collectively.
18. (n.) Rich
Adrienne, born 1929, U.S. poet.
Definition of 'rich' Princeton's WordNet
1. (adj) rich people, rich
people who have possessions and wealth (considered as a group)
"only the very rich benefit from this legislation"
2. (adj) rich
possessing material wealth
"her father is extremely rich"; "many fond hopes are pinned on rich uncles"
3. (adj) rich
having an abundant supply of desirable qualities or substances (especially natural resources)
"blessed with a land rich in minerals"; "rich in ideas"; "rich with cultural interest"
4. (adj) rich
of great worth or quality
"a rich collection of antiques"
5. (adj) fat, fertile, productive, rich
marked by great fruitfulness
"fertile farmland"; "a fat land"; "a productive vineyard"; "rich soil"
6. (adj) deep, rich
strong; intense
"deep purple"; "a rich red"
7. (adj) rich
very productive
"rich seams of coal"
8. (adj) rich
high in mineral content; having a high proportion of fuel to air
"a rich vein of copper", "a rich gas mixture"
9. (adj) rich
suggestive of or characterized by great expense
"a rich display"
10. (adj) rich
containing plenty of fat, or eggs, or sugar
"rich desserts"; "they kept gorging on rich foods"
11. (adj) full-bodied, racy, rich, robust
marked by richness and fullness of flavor
"a rich ruby port"; "full-bodied wines"; "a robust claret"; "the robust flavor of fresh-brewed coffee"
12. (adj) rich
pleasantly full and mellow
"a rich tenor voice"
13. (adj) ample, copious, plenteous, plentiful, rich
affording an abundant supply
"had ample food for the party"; "copious provisions"; "food is plentiful"; "a plenteous grape harvest"; "a rich supply"
Definition of 'rich' Kernerman English Learner’s Dictionary
1. (adjective) rich
≠ poor
a family who got rich in the oil business
2. rich
the rich
≠ the poor
The rich don't know how lucky they are.
3. rich
≠ poor
a rich and vibrant cultural history; a region rich in natural resources; These books are rich sources of ideas for kids.
4. rich
(of food) made with lots of butter, cream, eggs, etc.
a rich chocolate dessert
5. rich
(of colors or sounds) strong and full
the cello's rich sound; the rich reds and blues of the rugs
6. rich
(of soil) providing lots of nutrients for plants
the dark rich soil
Definition of 'rich' Webster Dictionary
1. rich
having an abundance of material possessions; possessed of a large amount of property; well supplied with land, goods, or money; wealthy; opulent; affluent; -- opposed to poor
2. rich
hence, in general, well supplied; abounding; abundant; copious; bountiful; as, a rich treasury; a rich entertainment; a rich crop
3. rich
yielding large returns; productive or fertile; fruitful; as, rich soil or land; a rich mine
4. rich
composed of valuable or costly materials or ingredients; procured at great outlay; highly valued; precious; sumptuous; costly; as, a rich dress; rich silk or fur; rich presents
5. rich
abounding in agreeable or nutritive qualities; -- especially applied to articles of food or drink which are high-seasoned or abound in oleaginous ingredients, or are sweet, luscious, and high-flavored; as, a rich dish; rich cream or soup; rich pastry; rich wine or fruit
6. rich
not faint or delicate; vivid; as, a rich color
7. rich
full of sweet and harmonius sounds; as, a rich voice; rich music
8. rich
abounding in beauty; gorgeous; as, a rich landscape; rich scenery
9. rich
abounding in humor; exciting amusement; entertaining; as, the scene was a rich one; a rich incident or character
10. (verb) rich
to enrich
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OK, smart girl:
Let's go with the Random House Webster's College Dictionary.
All apply except perhaps, (2) (10) (13) :o (14) ??? (17) and (18) ;D
Could go either way on (5) :-\ (8) ;) (9) :)(11) ::)
You are most def 15 ;D
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OK, smart girl:
Let's go with the Random House Webster's College Dictionary.
All apply except perhaps, (2) (10) (13) :o (14) ??? (17) and (18) ;D
Could go either way on (5) :-\ (8) ;) (9) :)(11) ::)
You are most def 15 ;D
haha! That was fun, John. I don't have to see what "amusing" means but I'll have to look up "highly." ;D
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Any missing of the mark, any straying from God's Word, is scary- no matter who we are. That's why we work out our salvation with "fear and trembling".
Another way to look at this is that sex is what a husband and wife engage is; fornication and adultery is what people who are not husband and wife engage in. It is not sex if it is not a man and his wife- according to what God calls it, it is adultery or fornication.
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I have nothing against gay folks getting married civilly. God is doing this. Why? To teach them. He is also teaching us to get rid of all our hate and fear of others who are different than us. It's all about LOVE. Please believe.
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I have nothing against gay folks getting married civilly. God is doing this. Why? To teach them. He is also teaching us to get rid of all our hate and fear of others who are different than us. It's all about LOVE. Please believe.
Hey Paul,
Not to sound rude, but no, God is not "doing this." And neither God nor Ray ever taught us to hate gays or lesbians or those who are "different." And as far as I know, no one here does.
(From NH) You should believe homosexuals when we tell you that we are born this way.
COMMENT: Why? Why should I? It's not true. We are all born with the potential for great carnality, but no one is "born homosexual" anymore than anyone is a "born murderer," or a "born child molester," or a "born adulterer." Don't you know that many child molesters will tell you that they have sexually lusted after little children as far back as they can remember having any sexual desires? Do we excuse or condone murder, adultery, and child molestation on the grounds that "they were BORN that way?" Well, do we? Should we?
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11539.msg99885.html#msg99885 (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11539.msg99885.html#msg99885)
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Hey Paul,
It appears that you are from the West perhaps near Las Vegas.
How's the heat out there?
I live in Northern Indiana and today it was 96 in the shade.
Pretty unusual for May and we aren't accustomed to it.
Regarding your message just let me say that things are quite a bit different in the Middle West especially in smaller towns where everyone knows most of the citizens.
Getting rid of hate is a very good goal.
Learning not to fear things that threaten our daily lives and our family is a lot more difficult.
It's bad enough that Moms and Dads don't respect their marriage vows and that the kids suffer from that problem of selfishness, lust and greed without bringing other options up to attack the American family.
Like to hear more from you.
Regards, Indianabob
I have nothing against gay folks getting married civilly. God is doing this. Why? To teach them. He is also teaching us to get rid of all our hate and fear of others who are different than us. It's all about LOVE. Please believe.
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No matter what the gay community wants to call marriage, or how the world wants to define it, it is not possible for two people of the same gender to "marry". This is why God created them male and female. " ...for this cause (sex). and ..." a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife, and they shall become one flesh". ( another human being ). Sex is what we are, not what we do. The union of two of the same sex produces no children, and therefore it is impossible for them to "marry" (become one).
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I've read Ray's papers and email comments on homosexuality and I have a general question.
Based on the definition(s) of marriage found in the scriptures, is the recent phenomenon of same 'sex marriage' really marriage in God's sight?
Or is what has been declared to be legal in many states, still just only a civil union in the eyes of God?
I guess what I am asking is can man actually change the meaning and definition of an institution that was created by God?
OneLovedread,
The following comments and quotes may be a little off track specifically regarding same sex Marriage and none of the following comments and quotes are meant to personally attack Homosexuals, since I don't have any personal agenda against them, some of the nicest people are gay and have treated Me better than many a Heterosexual. However, I think that current state of affairs regarding wide acceptance of Gay Marriage and other sexual perversions have culminated to the current Moral decay with it's widespread immoral acceptance in at least this Country. Quotes below from Twin Towers Article Below, randomly selected to tie into the present Same Sex Marriage wide spread acceptance. Quotes in Blue(My favorite Color).
And, of course, every one of these definitions also have definitions, and so after a couple of generations of definitions, we have a mountain of evil, sick, greedy, perverse carnality. And that is why Isaiah starts off his prophetic book with these words:
"Ah sinful nation [OUR nation], a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the Lord, they provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone out of the way backward.
Why should you be stricken any more? You will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart is faint. From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is NO SOUNDNESS IN IT…" (Isa. 1:4-6a).
AMERICA—A CHRIST-LIKE NATION OR A "CHRISTIAN" NATION?
I could write a lengthy article on all the sins and abuses, crime and corruption in the United States, but that is not the emphasis of this paper, although it is a very important part of it. Let me make just one observation for you:
The United States is a "Christian" nation, but is not very "Christ-like." Of all Americans, 82% claim to be Christian; only 4 percent are atheists. Now then, the United States has 2,000,000 of her citizens in jail (that’s one out of every 136 persons). That’s a higher per capita rate than Iraq!—seven times that of Germany. The state of Maryland has more of her citizens in prison (not per capita, but more numbers of prisoners) than the entire country of Canada. In fact, the United States of America has a larger per capita prison population than ANY OTHER NATION ON EARTH, AND MOST ALL AMERICAN PRISONERS ARE CHRISTIANS. A total of 7,000,000 Americans are either in prison, on probation, or on parole.
Okay, just one more statistic: Seventy-two percent of Americans believe that Politicians are CORRUPT! Do we think that statistic is baseless? According to CBS News 58% of Americans think that corruption in government is "WIDESPREAD." Well, did Isaiah prophesy: "…the whole HEAD is sick."
God Almighty slaps America across their face with this horrendous destruction of property and life in New York City, and what do we do? Do we beseech God to forgive us for all of our crimes, evils, sins, and corruption? No, we join "shoulder to shoulder" and sing "God Bless American" without repenting of any of our sins. We haven’t sinned: only the terrorists sinned.
"Every one that is proud in heart [‘We are more united than ever…’ ] is an abomination to the Lord: though HAND JOIN IN HAND [...Congress stood SHOULDER TO SHOULDER], he shall not go UNPUNISHED" (Prov. 16:5).
"Here in this majestic National Cathedral we see all around us symbols of the cross. For the Christian – I’m speaking for the Christian now – the cross tells us that God understands our sin…"
COMMENT: Yes, of course, God "understands our sin," but let’s not use a phrase like that to turn the cross of Jesus into license to sin without repentance.
"Understanding" is not synonymous with "condoning." Do we think the nearly 3000 people who fell with the Twin Towers were sinners above all men that dwell in New York City?
"Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you NAY: but, except ye [ALL OF YOU] REPENT, YE SHALL ALL LIKEWISE PERISH" (Luke 13:4)
Don’t get on God’s “froward” side. For if we insist on doing abominable things, God will turn those abominations back on us.
Israel sacrificed their children in the fire to Molech. Are we not spiritually sacrificing our children in America as well?
Young people's entertainment like MTV is polluting our children's minds with blatant sexual simulations in dance and music lyrics. Our CHILDREN'S ROLE MODELS KISS and FONDLE members of the SAME SEX live on TV for all to see. Rebecca Hagelin reported:
"In 171 hours of MTV programming, PTC analysts found 1,548 sexual scenes containing 3,056 depictions of sex or various forms of nudity and 2,881 verbal sexual references" (WorldNetDaily Exclusive Commentary).
Our public school system is a sham. Up to 40% of school teachers in Washington D.C. send their own children to private schools.CHILDREN ARE FORCED in public schools to learn alternative life styles, in other words, they are TAUGHT TO ACCEPT SEXUAL PERVERSIONS as natural and normal.
Even the example-setting pastors of huge mega churches are often money-motivated, money-crazed, money-worshipping clowns or worse: thieves, liars, murderers, and PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALS.
While it is true that ancient Israel sacrificed children in the fire to Molech, it may have been relatively few--dozens, perhaps hundreds. But America's abortion clinics have killed an estimated 40 million unborn babies. That's more killings than were committed by Saddam Hussein, Adolph Hitler, and Mao Zetong, COMBINED!
We are POISONING OUR CHILDREN'S MINDS, their souls, their bodies, and their very spirits. We are killing them by the millions before they draw even their first breath. Do you think that we shall go unpunished for these unspeakable abominations?
God is going to bring back “Tophet of old,” only this time “deeper and larger” with “fire and much wood” and “kindled with brimstone.” Not literally, but figuratively—Tophet is the symbolic setting of Isaiah’s prophecy “when the TOWERS FALL.”
Make no mistake about it: There will be hell to pay in the years ahead. Our sins have reached to high heaven, and our leaders fiddle while our great spiritual leaders "speak unto us SMOOTH things and prophesy DECEIT" in our darkest hours and in our greatest need to repent and turn to God. I don’t apologize for how that sounds to many of you, but not to all, I hope.
CAPS ABOVE ARE MINE FOR EMPHASIS
Just thought that this might tie in to the discussion, because when sexual perversions and unnatural Marriages are considered "Normal" and widely accepted, it follows a pattern repeated from History regarding Past Empires and Nations.
Kind Regards, Samson.
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Ray recently compared gay marriage to "kosher pork." Impossible.
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Kosher pork. haha Ain't no such thing!
I'm wondering, which of the two men are going to agree to being the "weaker" sex?
And which of the women will be gracious enough to agree?
The whole notion is rooted in "equality." News flash!! Not everyone are equals. A child isn't equal to their father and man isn't equal with a woman. A woman isn't equal with a man. A civilian isn't equal to a police officer, or a judge or what have you. Marriage between two people of the same gender is not equal to a marriage between a man and a woman.
(Did you hear about the same sex couple who got married and are now seeking divorce, but they're having a major hard time being granted one?! )
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Article:
For same-sex couples, calling it quits can be harder than saying "I do."
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-03-17/news/bs-md-ar-same-sex-divorce-20120317_1_gay-divorce-divorce-hearing-uncontested-divorce (http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-03-17/news/bs-md-ar-same-sex-divorce-20120317_1_gay-divorce-divorce-hearing-uncontested-divorce)
See, if this same-sex couple was equal with the person in charge of their divorce papers, they could just grant themselves a divorce. But they aren't, so they can't.
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Once again, the physical reveals the spiritual in man ways. We understand that marriage can only exist between a man and a woman in this flesh, but Paul said that this was a "mystery" (hidden truth) , and that it pertained to Christ and the church. When we, as the bride of Christ, marry Him, we will become One with Him. Just as He is One with the Father, and just as He prayed of the Father for us. Physical marriage between a man and woman is a picture of this union. And then it really gets good..........we get to "be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth".....we get to reproduce.........we get to have offspring........."children"..... "sons of God"....if you will. These will be those that God will save in the age that is coming soon, when He begins the next installment of His GREAT plan.
" For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife , and the two shall become one flesh. This is a great mystery, but I speak of Christ and the church "