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Hello everyone,
Sorry if I ramble, but I need to pour my heart out here so, let me start by saying to everyone here I do love you all greatly! I do not say this lightly I believe that when you tell someone you love them, you mean it. I have to again, regretably, come before you all to beg help of my brothers and sisters, in much needed prayer. I am quite fearful as of late, that I seem to be falling away from God. I do not want this to happen. It brings me to tears, and fills me full of fear to think of what will happen to me if I do fall away. I am so carnal, I still have problems focusing on God. I try my best to pray, some days are more fruitful than others, somedays I can't remember if I spoke with God or not. God has dragged me here for a reason, and I love what God has revealed to me through Rays teachings.
I try to read Rays papers, I try to read the Bible, I try to focus on the good things of God, but it all seems in vain to me. I can't keep my concentration to do any of it for very long any more. I don't know why either. I know I seem to ask a lot about this problem but it is what eats at me the most of all my problems. So dear brothers and sisters with all love and mercy I ask that you pray for me to help me through these problems, and if by the Grace of God you have advice, and encouragement, it will be warmly welcomed here. Many thanks in advance.
relatively heartbroken,
Greg
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I've heard Ray say more than once. If you are having mental problems then it's best not to get too involved with the bible and teachings. You do not need to add to your problems.
Part of you problem is you think you are in control and you are not. You cannot use your will to get close to God and thereby solve your problems. If anything you need to let go and simply ask God for help. You do not know when that help will come. Just be patient.
I suggest when you are unable to study, just put it down and don't worry about it.
BTW, there are times when I cannot study either. I know it's not going to happen. So, I just put it down for another day. I'll bet there are others on this forum who also do this.
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Greg:
will pray for you; you're not the first one to go down that path and you are never alone. I, too get overwhelmed (information overload, confusion) and stop reading the bible, praying etc.; eventually, I get back when God allows it ... Dennis has good advice.
God willing you'll feel better about it sooner than later.
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Hi Greg my friend :)
I will be praying for you in this difficult time. I back up with what Dennis said, you can't use your will to get close to God.
John 15:16 Not you choose Me, but I choose you, and I appoint you, that you may be going away and be bringing forth much fruit
It's of His doing in His time.
That's how he operates with me. It's not easy at times. I feel like He is rubbing sandpaper on me sometimes. It gets me annoyed saying why does it have to be this hard Lord. I don't study at times either it all gets too much for me and I get overwhelmed. Trust me often too tears. I have fallen away from God at various stages of my life but He has always drawn me back. He will do the same for you. I can tell this by your line:
God has dragged me here for a reason, and I love what God has revealed to me through Rays teachings.
That's me too and I'm sure many others, dragged and I might add for me kicking and screaming. Why are you doing this to me Lord is often what I would say. This is too much for me to bear, how could a God who loves me treat me this way. It's because He loves you that He does treat you this way and even I find that hard to understand.
2Co 4:16 wherefore, we faint not, but if also our outward man doth decay, yet the inward is renewed day by day;
2Co 4:17 for the momentary light matter of our tribulation, more and more exceedingly an age-during weight of glory doth work out for us--
2Co 4:18 we not looking to the things seen, but to the things not seen; for the things seen are temporary, but the things not seen are age-during.
Deu 31:8 It is the LORD who goes before you. He will be with you; he will not leave you or forsake you. Do not fear or be dismayed."
Take each day as it comes Greg. Some will be hard but it won't always be that way. God loves you so much. He's just doing His work in you and me. We often don't like it but trust me joy cometh in the morning. Don't take it from me but take it from Jesus when He said:
Joh 16:33 I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world."
May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope.
Bless you my friend
Rhys
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I second Dennis' words. :) It's all... good.
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Rhys, sometimes God puts us through a lot and those experiences help us help others. Like you just did.
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Here is a great scripture: Do Not Worry About Anything Philippians 4:6 (CLV)
We worship the Great Power in and beyond the universe. He will save and heal everyone. No one will be lost. God does not worry about anything because He controls everything.
We are like a baby in a mother's arms. We have nothing to worry about. In His hands, everything will come out O.K.
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Deu 31:8 It is the LORD who goes before you. He will be with you; he will not leave you or forsake you. Do not fear or be dismayed."
John 16:33 I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world."
May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope.
rhys, thank you for following the leading of the Holy Spirit in posting the above referenced Scriptures. i add my voice to your prayer highlighted in blue above, for our brother greg.
greg, i agree dennis has given some excellent advise. forum members have voiced their genuine love for you as our dear brother in Christ. our brother in suffering and in joy. and in hope. we are all reflections of each other at different stages as we go through our individual journeys, towards the Ultimate Image of our Father God and His Son, our Savior Jesus Christ.
i believe the drawing/dragging by God, the Father of all who believe in His Son as the Christ, and in the Truths of the Gospel of the Kingdom, can be an ongoing process. we continue to live in a world that we are not part of spiritually. the outside influences can become daunting, whether they be outside our front door, inside the world of the internet, or inside of our minds.
but God the Father is constant. He still will not leave you nor forsake you greg. He's got your back.
love in Christ,
claudia
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Hello everyone and thank you for your encouraging words! I have another request for some prayer though! Thirty or so minutes after I posted my first request I was getting ready to leave my house and as I was bending down to put my shoe on my hip went out. I am stuck in my bed at the moment not being able to get up. I have a friend that is a homeopathic chiropractor he came buy yesterday and put me where I could walk a bit but since I have slept it has grown sore again and I cannot stand on it. So please if you could please pray for me.
Greg
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Hi Greg
Something else you just didn't need right now.
I am praying for you my friend and hope the pain will go away soon and you will be walking normally soon.
God bless you
Rhys
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Here is a great scripture: Do Not Worry About Anything Philippians 4:6 (CLV)
We worship the Great Power in and beyond the universe. He will save and heal everyone. No one will be lost. God does not worry about anything because He controls everything.
We are like a baby in a mother's arms. We have nothing to worry about. In His hands, everything will come out O.K.
A word aptly spoken is like apples of gold in settings of silver.
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Deu 31:8 It is the LORD who goes before you. He will be with you; he will not leave you or forsake you. Do not fear or be dismayed."
John 16:33 I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world."
May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope.
rhys, thank you for following the leading of the Holy Spirit in posting the above referenced Scriptures. i add my voice to your prayer highlighted in blue above, for our brother greg.
love in Christ,
claudia
Indeed. Thank you Rhys.
Greg,
Yes, we will all pray for you. :) I'm sorry that your hip is out of place - but you know God! He is so funny. Now, I wonder why He caused that? The first thing that comes to mind is that verse where Jacob wrestled with God. That's not a laughing matter.
I think sometimes we feel guilty because we're thinking about things other than "God," like we were taught to "worship" Him in church. Like if you're not "feeling" something, something's wrong withyou. It's like, well, I'm sorry -- I'm just not feeling God sometimes. It's like, we feel guilty because when you first come to these truths you're so ecstatic but then things happen (it's called God working in you that starts the process of becoming a "chosen" one) and we think Oh No! This doesn't seem right -- I must be doing something wrong... And we freak out - thinking we can do anything of ourselves. Sure we want to be good for God, but it's God that makes us good. We were taught to believe that God "needs" us to do something FOR HIM. Psshh. Ray once said, the teachings of Christendom are so screwed up that people can't even think straight! And it's true!! It's so true.
God bless you, Greg. You'll be comin back around soon. It's just a feeling. God isn't scratching his head saying... "Where are you, Greg?" As if He doesn't know. But see, I say you DO have your mind on the things of God because otherwise, this thing you're worried about wouldn't even be bothering you... and that's God caused as well.
Whenever I need "me" time, I'm not gonna beat myself up over it any more. I see what it's doing to you. And you don't appear to me to be being "selfish." Do you think you're taking something away from God?
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It is part of the process Greg. In our old church lives we were told we need to pray and read our word. Which we do, but not like we are ticking off points of wothiness. If I do this, this and this, God will find me worthy and he will love me. That is a lie. Our worthiness was decided before creation. Jesus standing in your place makes you worthy...full stop.
But we need to relearn, to have the spiitual weeds pulled. There is a time for everything under the sun...a time for sowing and a time for reaping. Not all of them feel fruitful, but they are part of the fruitfulness process. When we are tired or weary...we lose patience. The great thing is that if God is dealing with you then you are in the right place. I am not concerned for you.
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Watchman, your reply was magnificent. Yes, iIndeed, there is a time for every purpose under heaven. Took the words right out of my mouth.
Janine, Thanks for pulling out that excerpt from JH. It was inspirational.
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Hey Bro Greg,
Man all i want to say is "he never leaves or forsakes us" is proving so hard to believe, Duet 31/Heb 13 5 - 6,I get shown Jesus screaming "why have you forsaken Me" and do I think I escape that same scream, well next minute Jesus gave up his spirit willingly Luke 23v46 "Father into your hands I commit/entrust my spirit". I am thinking how do we do the same if not by being dragged to that place by the Father.
bless you Greg
praying
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Watchman, your reply was magnificent. Yes, iIndeed, there is a time for every purpose under heaven. Took the words right out of my mouth.
Janine, Thanks for pulling out that excerpt from JH. It was inspirational.
I've been where he is Shorty,
Just sharing what I learnt through the other side.
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Here is a great scripture: Do Not Worry About Anything Philippians 4:6 (CLV)
Thank you for the scripture John....it is a timely reminder to me as well.
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greg, i looked in the Scriptures to find the following verse to inspire you (and each of us) as you are entrenched in the shadow of the valley of death.
acts 14:22 "confirming (strengthening) the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God."
as i read through this verse i decided to go back and read through the whole of chapter 14.
a (semi)quick synopsis of this passage shows that paul and barnabas had gone to lystra, after fleeing from iconium because they found out that certain jews along with some of the gentiles were plotting to stone them. in lystra paul healed a crippled man which was observed by the people. some of these people were pagans who worshiped zeus. a priest of zeus brought oxen and garlands to the gate of the city of lystra, and was preparing to do sacrifices to paul (and barnabas). paul reproved the people confirming he and barnabas were just men, urging them to turn from the vanities (useless things) and to turn unto the living God. after reminding the people that in past generations God had suffered (allowed) all the nations to walk in their own ways (of unbelief in God), but that witness of God's goodness was still apparent in the blessings He gave of rain and fruitful seasons, so the people could eat and be happy in their hearts. after paul said these things he and barnabas could hardly restrain the people from (still) wanting to do sacrifices to them. then some of the jews from antioch and iconium came on the scene and persuaded the people to stone paul, which they did. after they stoned paul they dragged him outside the city to leave him because they thought he was dead. (i cannot imagine how painful stoning must have been, especially to the point where you are believed to be dead after the stoning is over.) however, as the believers started gathering around paul he stood up, and went back into the city of lystra. but the next day he and barnabas went to the city of derbe where they preached the gospel and many people believed. after this they left and returned to lystra, iconium, and on to antioch. it is at this juncture that verse 22 comes in. where the believers were exhorted to continue in the faith and that we must go through much tribulation to enter into the kingdom of God.
okay, i say all of this because as i read it through i realized for the first time how unbelievably hard it must have been for paul to have physically been stoned to the point that the people thought he was dead. and then to be dragged through the unpaved streets to outside the city. and then to go back to the same city and continue to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ and God's grace. i just cannot fathom the degree of physical pain paul had to have experienced, not to mention the mental/emotional anguish, yet he still arose and went back to the same city where he had just been stoned. (some people believe this stoning of paul, and his apparent death, was when he experienced the third heaven where he was given visions and revelations.)
this surely is written and recorded as an example of faith for all generations who would come under harsh physical and mental attacks from our adversary.
don't give up hope greg.
love in Christ,
claudia
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Part of you problem is you think you are in control and you are not. You cannot use your will to get close to God and thereby solve your problems. If anything you need to let go and simply ask God for help. You do not know when that help will come. Just be patient.]
Thanks for that Dennis I'm feeling cornered myself at the moment, and asking God for help is about all I can do. It just seems such a long time coming.
Dave
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The fact that we are told to "endure to the end" says much.
There is a four-year-old in my house and he is willful and suborn. When I take away his TV shows for being bad he cries real tears but I sense he is grateful that I am disciplining him. Children need to feel like someone smarter than they are is in control. Gives them security.
Is it possible God looks on us as four-year-old's needing discipline?
I don't think "church people" are required to go what we go through in this life. Sometimes I envy their ignorance.
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Indeed. Children (as well as adults) need and like boundaries. Otherwise we feel lost and out of control.
I haven't yet begun to envy the churched.
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Indeed. Children (as well as adults) need and like boundaries. Otherwise we feel lost and out of control.
I haven't yet begun to envy the churched.
Feeling lost and out of control is something I have experienced a lot. Knowing my boundaries seems to be quite a challenge, well at least it is to me. I like this passage.
Act 17:26 And He has made all nations of men of one blood to dwell on all the face of the earth, ordaining fore-appointed seasons and boundaries of their dwelling,
Act 17:27 to seek the Lord, if perhaps they might feel after Him and find Him, though indeed He is not far from each one of us.
I recall someone once talking to me about boundaries but I didn’t understand what they were talking about. But then how do you understand if you don’t truly know God. I’ve been in the past rather hurt by others and then finding myself rather overwhelmed and left wondering where are my boundaries to allow myself from not being so hurt. I guess I have found over the years that I need to humble myself and accept that God is indeed in control of every aspect of my life.
John 8:36 Therefore if the Son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.
It’s Christ that makes us free in His time and like the verses in Acts above God has fore-appointed our seasons and boundaries. God is not confined by the boundaries and limitations of simple man and that’s what I am. How do I know what the Lord has in store for me and what I should do, well I don’t know and I find myself doubting myself and being confused.
I think as Dennis says we are told to endure and this isn’t easy for me. Not only that we need to overcome, also not easy. I feel one thing that has helped me a lot recently after God has set me free with His truth is learning to rest in Him. Maybe I need to see this truth more instead of trying to run to and fro trying to do what God wants. I guess I want to please the Lord but in my own strength I will only fail. The following verses suggest the place that we should all desire to be in.
Mat 11:28 Come to Me all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take My yoke on you and learn of Me, for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you shall find rest to your souls.
Greg, Just trust in the Lord when you are feeling in distress, He loves and cares for you. He is our Father and we are His children. Greg your own strength is going to fail you as it has for me so many painful times. Rest in Him, He knows what He is doing. He will give you the rest you need and the ability to get back up again at the right time. He has done it for me.
This isn’t easy for me and I’m sure this is the case for all of us. The church has no idea what it’s about to go through these fiery trials and nor did I when I was there. I think they are blissfully ignorant of the truth, going along with whatever is happening instead of getting on there knees and truly humbling themselves. Well God has brought me down so many times to see His truth. I think for me I need to learn to stop fighting Him over so many things in my life and simply come to Him and find rest.
I still get many things that I beat myself up about. But I'm learning and it's a process in His time. I don't like how long it takes but He knows how long it will take. Trust Him.
Rhys
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Indeed. Children (as well as adults) need and like boundaries. Otherwise we feel lost and out of control.
I haven't yet begun to envy the churched.
I think we are held to a higher standard than church people and it requires us to obey in our hearts and not just in deeds. And that means we will not get away with anything for the duration of our lives. That correction may come early in life or later. But we will learn and eventually do what's right because it is in our hearts (I'm not saying we will die perfect) and not out of fear.
Church people believe they are saved because of their rituals and superstitions. They are ignorant of their rotten heart.
I'm not saying church people do not suffer, because they do. I'm saying God is not yet showing them what He has reveled to us and they are not striving as hard as we are driven to by Almighty God.
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Indeed. Children (as well as adults) need and like boundaries. Otherwise we feel lost and out of control.
I haven't yet begun to envy the churched.
I think we are held to a higher standard than church people and it requires us to obey in our hearts and not just in deeds. And that means we will not get away with anything for the duration of our lives. That correction may come early in life or later. But we will learn and eventually do what's right because it is in our hearts (I'm not saying we will die perfect) and not out of fear.
Church people believe they are saved because of their rituals and superstitions. They are ignorant of their rotten heart.
I'm not saying church people do not suffer, because they do. I'm saying God is not yet showing them what He has reveled to us and they are not striving as hard as we are driven to by Almighty God.
Which is precisely why I don't envy them. :) (Not yet, not ever.)
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All I'm saying Gina is they are not troubled by what's inside themselves. But we are constantly reminded.
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It's good to have an honest estimation of ourselves. I agree. I get what you're saying, Dennis. But God says, Don't let your heart be troubled. If your heart condemns you, God is greater than your heart. And besides, we don't know what's in the heart of others, aside from what their actions portray. AS WE WELL KNOW--MOST OF THE CHURCHED ARE WALKING AROUND FAKING IT. I know that was true for me.
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You're right Gina. I'm just posting this to have the last word ;D
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Not so fast. :) I mean, I used to be such a jealous person. And then I realized that we ALL go through the same things. We ALL end up feeling the same way. It's a matter of time before they look at what they've done and beat their chests saying, God have mercy on me, a sinner.
Dennis, I don't know what you've done that is so horrible. While you're no better than anyone here, you are such a blessing to me and everyone here. I was just thinking about you and all you do and continue to do for us.
I remember how Ray said told the story of the Good Samaritan and how he helped that man who was robbed and took him to a hospital and put out lots of good money to help the man. Did he like the man? Doesn't say. I give a small pitance every month or so to B-T, but there was a time when I didn't want to give any money at all. Why? Because I was angry as I was having to struggle looking at my heart. But then I looked and saw all that Christ did and all that Ray was doing and what you were doing in spite of all the detractors and the negative stuff (just from me alone) and you didn't stop giving in a way that even I could benefit from it, no. So that helped me get my rear in gear and say, well, I might not like or agree with a lot of the people on BT but I'm going to contribute to the site anyway, even if it's just a little, and maybe someone like me (with my rotten heart) will be made happy like I was happy before my idols of the heart started to be crushed. lol Little did I know how much helping others like that (in that very small way) would change my rotten heart eventually from bitterness to gratitude and slowly but surely mercy. Not all there yet, but I'm not where I was. Thank God for B-T!
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I don't know what you've done that is so horrible.
Nothing I can think of. Many, many years ago a minister explained to me that our sins are like an onion. You peal off a layer and there is another, and another, ... That's how it's been for me.
Ecc 1:2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
There are many physical sins we can overcome. But I don't think we will ever conquer pride and vanity.
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I think I understand that even when I try to do good, it has evil unintended (by me) consequences. Faith is that evil is temporary and meant for good. Faith is that our 'good' is improvable, but that comes through hard experience which includes failures.
Back to the OP. Just a testimony, so take from it whatever suits. I'm not a daily bible-reader. But I am a daily bible-thinker. For me, bible-study is 'hearing' but life is 'doing'. So far, the Lord seems perfectly capable of seeing me through "dry" spells by causing my life to unfold in such a way that His word and my life come together. Sometimes it's wonderful, and sometimes it's terrible, and it happens most often when I am not trying to force it. That's what 'written in our hearts' means to me.
We're called on to prove what is true. For me, if it doesn't match real-life, it can't be proven no matter how many verses I can string together. As others have said, it's still not about religious box-ticking. Take what you have and live. If you do, He will add more to it.
OK, so I tossed a sermon into the end of the testimony. Sue me. ;)
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Sometimes it's wonderful, and sometimes it's terrible, and it happens most often when I am not trying to force it. That's what 'written in our hearts' means to me.
OK, so I tossed a sermon into the end of the testimony. Sue me. ;)
Ha ha I think I will sue you Dave ;)
I like your line about sometimes it's wonderful and terrible. That's true for me too. I don't like the dry spells either but I know God has His reasons for it even if I can't see it. I guess I see later on that a change has occurred in me and I needed to go through the hard times to get to that place. I sometimes wish there was an easier way but God does things His way which of course is the best way.
I enjoyed reading your post Dave.
Bless you
Rhys
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I don't know what you've done that is so horrible.
Nothing I can think of. Many, many years ago a minister explained to me that our sins are like an onion. You peal off a layer and there is another, and another, ... That's how it's been for me.
Ecc 1:2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
There are many physical sins we can overcome. But I don't think we will ever conquer pride and vanity.
Well, I agree with you there. But we can get to a place where pride and vanity don't have dominion over us. I think we know so much now that we feel bad if we do things that in any way resemble pride or vanity. What are those things anyway? Am I vain because I happen to drive a nicer car than 99% of the world's population can afford -- even though I could have gotten a junker that still runs? I'd gladly take an a@@'s colt to work, but I'd be fired in the first week because I'm almost positive I'd arrive late. :P
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Okay, that's a lie -- I would definitely not "gladly" ride an a@@'s colt to work. I would dread it every step of the way.
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And that means we will not get away with anything for the duration of our lives. That correction may come early in life or later.
dennis,
i pulled the bolded and underlined section of your post to say a loud and resounding AMEN! i have said so many times to myself that i never get away with anything. be it large or small. i used to always wonder why.
through your statement noted above, i now understand clearly why. i underlined the last part because i am learning that i still never get away with anything, although i consciously try not to do anything that i need to get away with. but sometimes life happens.
thank you dennis.
claudia
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"Getting away with things." I remember even Ray asked someone in an email exchange somethnig to the effect, "Are you punished for everything that you've ever done wrong?" I agree with Claudia in that God doesn't let me get away with things, and even if it's only my conscious that's bothered and I'm freaking out over what might befall me, I don't always get what I have coming to me. I don't know why, but I just feel that God has blessed me so abundantly over my life, even with all the hardships -- but I can say that only having come through them.
"Oh ye of little faith (actually, Jesus called His disciples perverted -- because of their total lack of faith). Why are you wondering among yourselves if I'm talking about the bread--did you already forget that I fed the 5,000 with the fish and loaves?"
So when my faith is lacking and I'm perverted enough to forget that Jesus feeds people to the gills, I just reflect on all the times that He fed me to the gills -- deservedly so or not, and my spirit is rejuvenated.
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I just feel that God has blessed me so abundantly over my life, even with all the hardships -- but I can say that only having come through them.
Good points there shorty. We often just don't see what God is doing when we go through the hard times and I would pray Lord get me out of this and He does in His time. Got me thinking about this passage.
Rom 5:3 Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance,
Rom 5:4 and endurance produces character, and character produces hope,
Rom 5:5 and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.
I find it hard to rejoice at the time as I'm sure most of us do but it's like I get there slowly.
Praise God that our hope we now have in Him will not put us to shame.
God grows us in His way and in His time.
Rhys
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Indeed. Every man in his own order. God is not the author of confusion. . .
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Dearest brothers and sisters,
With much love and prayers for you all, for your encouragement from God almighty to me, I ask God to bless you all for these many great things. And I ask for many more uplifting comments. I have been inspired greatly, but I have had a looming question on my mind that goes with all of this. (1 Tim 1:20) of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto satan that they may learn not to blaspheme
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Excellent stuff there John. It's an encouragement to me too.
Greg I get days when I feel terrible and the other days when I feel good. It's a necessary thing to go through the experience of evil. Talk about being handed over to Satan feels like my 15 years of demonic attacks. It was like Satan could of his way with me anytime and whatever way he wanted, seriously I would scream at times and I don't know where God was in those times. I don't think anyone gets how bad that was for me except me and the Lord and I still feel rather alone because of it. You mentioned some words there of a verse I have been thinking a lot about lately:
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.
Boy do I need this like a man dieing of thirst in a desert needs a drink of water. Some days I seem to be there, other days not. I don't have all the answers, just have to take each day as it comes.
Don't apologize for the mess. I think it's good when we share our mess. I do. We need to be there for each other in whatever we can.
Bless you my friend and keep looking to Him the author and perfecter of our faith.
Rhys
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Hi Greg try this:{FAITH IS HOPE OF KNOWING WHAT WILL GIVE YOU FAITH IN WHAT YOU KNOW AND THEREFOR HOPE} understand you allready believe, and believing is what we think it is all that we need, but its not , and neither is it Biblical, GOD in HIS wisdom has allways provided us with irrefutable proof, and those who say they do not need it, are fooling themselfs. You say you love your bretheren, is trust not an act of love ? I asked GOD for proof as I wished to know, as belief was not enough for me ! GOD gave me that proof and more, much more than I could ever have dreamed of ! I am going to share this in my testimony and all it will require is a little faith a little trust and a little digging. and the reward of which is a knowledge that will not allow you to loose faith, the very thought, will not even enter your mind, GOD willing