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=> Introductions, Announcements, and More of Ray's Teachings => Topic started by: Loverly on December 19, 2013, 10:27:46 PM
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Hey Chosen Few!
I stumbled across this site over a week ago and have joyously read my every loverly brains out every day! :)
Long story short. I was steeped in "funnymentalist" Christendom from birth and even graduated from Bob Jones University. I lived out the good prodigal daughters life until my 30's when I decided that God was stupid and I wanted happiness so I lived out the bad prodigal daughters life to the fullest! I was married for 22 years to a fundamentalist also lived a hypocritical life. Upon hearing from my 12 year old that she was being fondled daily by her daddy (yes my husband!) I had to kick him out and never let him return. My sand castle kingdom was flattened to fine powder in every aspect including financially. I was angry with God of course and continued on my path of destruction and still claiming I knew Jesus. 2 years ago Yeshua drug me to repentance and after that has given me His "hunger and thirst for righteousness" and studying the Word. All family on both sides, all steeped in Christendom shunned, verbally assaulted and left us for dead blaming me for my husbands actions. Even husband blamed me and never has repented.
Our church and all "Christians" shunned us as well. That was a huge eye opener!
God used all of this to bring me to Himself and also my daughter age 16. My 18 year old son however has not turned and is verbally abusive to us for our beliefs. I'm a single mom with only Yeshua to help me. He took everything away, house, husband, money, people, family, friends etc etc etc and started from scratch to build a new creation! He gave me no choice at all to follow Him or not. I have learned to obey His voice and His only. The "arm of flesh" fails every time but Yeshua never fails!
He has me on a walk of faith right now financially which has been crazy but I obey. Just hit my neighbors car today backing outta the drive way (college son was home and parked it there!) but knew it was for a reason and just thanked God for it. No income for a year and a half and only a couple of months bill money, but whatever.....it's God's problem not mine!
I home schooled my kids up until both were accepted into a high school early college program 5 years ago. They both have taken high school and 2 years of college at the same time. They both started at age 14 and my life fell apart only 2 months after my son's first semester. So I've been doing this alone now for 9 semesters! I have no family in this town and really no friends to speak of. Pretty single mom's don't get invited ANYWHERE where couples are! lol I'm the mom, dad and entire pit crew to get them through school.
My daughter and I had already been called out of the organized church awhile now. We stopped attending way back in May and were trying to figure out what in the world to do. I study the Bible a lot and realized that I don't believe in a 2nd 2nd coming (it just wasn't adding up) so was researching that and a bunch of other things when I found this site. I didn't get angry at all but knew Ray was right and have appreciated all of the hard work he did in his studying! What an huge blessing!
My daughter knew it was right as well. God is teaching her right along with me and she has an amazing discerning spirit. The minute I told her there was no hell we both knew it was truth and our burden of fear lifted! We hated that doctrine and were weeping over friends and my son more than once a week! Just wasn't jiving in our spirits! We both know what the Refiners Fire in our souls really does and has been doing! No need to explain that to us! LOL WE GET IT!
Anyway, we are happy to know there are a few people out there that understand these truths and I'm excited to talk with a few of you! :) We have never met a true believe/follower of Jesus...man or woman EVER! I have over 400 people on my FB account mostly all in Christendom (many professors, the daughter of Bob Jones III and even the PR man of BJU!) and they all think I've lost my mind completely.
Loverly
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;D ;D ;D ;D Your fellow crazies welcome you.
We do not believe a loving God will torture his creatures for eternity. And they think we're nuts. Go figure. ;D
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Thanks John!!!!
I know right? LOL We thought we were loosing our minds to believe this stuff but low and behold an entire forum of you from around the world! whoohoo! We knew what the Holy Spirit was teaching us!
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I stumbled across this site over a week ago and have joyously read my every loverly brains out every day! :)
Welcome to the forum, Loverly. We share in your joy as your eyes become opened to these marvelous truths! We are here to encourage and help you along this new spiritual journey. :)
René
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Thanks for sharing, sounds like you have been through some hard things. May you grow in His truth and love.
Welcome to the forum
Rhys
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Welcome Loverly,
May your new journey be blessed throughout.
Greg
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Welcome Loverly, I rejoice that the Lord has called you both out of Babylon. I pray that you both grow in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. God bless you! :)
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Hi Loverly,
I'm glad you have joined us :)
That was some story... I can see that you understand God sovereign right to have used those circumstances to bring you to Him and now embrace this truth. It is really hard to separate from the world, but it's the only way to serve God.
Luke 16:13 "No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon."
Yes we have a rare and wonderful fellowship here and it's such a blessing to the 'few' of us. Just come in here and you can find help and encouragement that you cannot get from the world. You can join in to ongoing discussions or ask your own questions, there is always somebody around to help. I find that the many perspectives are very helpful in coming to a full understanding of something.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
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P.S. I would love for some of you to be friends on FB with me and back me up in the the posts that I post. My Christendom friends would freak out for sure. LOL Lemme know if any of you have a FB account! Thanks!
I enjoy seeing your enthusiasm but must warn you. You need to learn to crawl before you try and fly. Going to your friends and acquaintances with your new found knowledge will only snatch the joy and enthusiasm from you. Learn to crawl. Rather than shouting the truth for all to hear, live the truth for all to see. When you are ready God will lead others to you to share your knowledge of the truth. Don't throw pearls before swine.
Craig
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Thanks Craig for the warning. :)
Thing is my light (His light) has already been shining now for 2 years for all to "see" on FB as God has leveled and changed me into His new creation in front of their eyes... so wasn't really that big of a deal to post anything scriptural about doctrine. ;)
I post Scriptures constantly as I study and come across them and make comments. So not like I'm all of a sudden going from totally not believing the Bible to believing the Bible.
I had already known something wasn't right with a lot of the doctrine but couldn't quit put my finger on it since I study out of an NAS translation and was focusing more on the major and minor prophets, walking by faith and not by sight, The Day of the Lord etc.....
It's important however for me to tell my many friends and family the truth about what I believe in... even if they do "devour" me or "tear me apart" at some point otherwise I have over 300 people thinking I'm walking (as always for 46 years) in agreement with them. That's not good! "Come out from among them and be ye separate".
They have to know that I don't stand with Christendom and those doctrines and what better time than when I'm excited about the truth to share the "real" good news of the gospel!
I agree there is a away to go about it (in meekness and love) and there is a way not to to cram it down their throats. For me it was a statement of faith to share, not a character slander of who they are because of what they believe in and have been blindly taught. I was one of them remember?
So I would encourage you to stand up and speak truth and love into the lives of those around you. "Let your light so shine before men so that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in Heaven." :) All glory goes to Him for the truth that He has graciously revealed to me...no need to be arrogant about it cause I sure didn't choose to know this stuff! lol
Most think I've already lost my mind anyway so would be a blessing to have a few "chosen few" that are in agreement with me to shine their light of truth as well...not to slander or debate but to shine. :)
As far as their verbal assaults against my character for my beliefs "snatching" the joy and "enthusiasm" from me that's really impossible since my "joy" comes from the Lord (one of the 9 fold fruit of the Spirit) and not their opinions of me or my beliefs.
So shine the light of the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ in love... by not being ashamed of it. :)
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A warm welcome from me too on a snowy cold day where I live.
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HI Joe from Ottawa!
Greetings from the sunny south! :) Today, high of 67F, tomorrow's high 66F and Sunday high of 73F! You enjoy that cold and snow for me in spirit. I'm from the midwest and don't miss that one bit!
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Welcome Loverly.
I've listened to these audios a dozen or more times. Could be the best overall material on the site.
It has some good advice about trying to enlighten your friends, and some interesting teaching on Revelations.
Getting Saved part 1: http://bible-truths.com/audio/N05 GettingSaved_p1.mp3 (http://bible-truths.com/audio/N05 GettingSaved_p1.mp3)
Getting Saved part 2: http://bible-truths.com/audio/N05 GettingSaved_p2.mp3 (http://bible-truths.com/audio/N05 GettingSaved_p2.mp3)
Dennis
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Lovely Loverly, that's what you are in God's sight. Precious and beloved! :)
So much what you wrote resonates in my being.
Yes, He demolishes our edifice, until we are left standing alone on the foundation that is Christ. My teen daughter who is still straddling the line between the world and the church was so relieved to know that she wouldn't be left behind! :) Yeah, I do have a FB account, even had a church group! But long before BT, I was able to discern that it was spiritually dead and I have since dismantled it. Can't say I am as forthright as you about my new beliefs, but I'd rather err on the side of caution.
So happy to see that you can still laugh through it all. I thank God for choosing me, and showing me his profound truths. Or I would have ended up a bitter old woman like your mother. But that also would have been of God, who moulds some for honor and others for dishonor. Rom 9:21
Welcome Loverly, may you grow in grace and knowlege of the truth.
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Loverly, that is a real blessing to have your daughter understand and learning these truths along with you... it does seem a lot harder for the younger generation to stick with this as they have so much yet to learn from the world. But I can see she is really getting it from what you say, that's wonderful.
Your witnessing to your friends and family is where you have been lead, but you may find that's get old that a while, as it's like beating your head against a wall, seeing them reject every truth :P
Since we all come here from studying Ray's teachings I like to bring forward his teaching on particular subjects being discussed, he did have a way about explaining things. This excerpt is from the article 'Winning Souls for Jesus?' It is just to show you the prospective that some of us have on witnessing.
http://bible-truths.com/souls.htm --------------------------
LIGHT AND SALT DON’T ARGUE OR MAKE NOISE
"Ye are the salt of the earth… Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid… Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father which is in heaven" (Matt. 5:1,14,16).
Salt does not make any noise, and light does not argue Scriptures. Neither salt nor light makes any sound whatsoever. Maybe there is a lesson in there.
Too many people learn a few truths of God and think that they are ready to take on the world. They usually start by trying to embarrass their Pastor with their new-gained knowledge. Usually they fall flat on their face on the very first try. It’s all about motivation. If your motivation is carnal, God will not back you. Yes, I know, all of you are saying: "But my motivation is to show them God’s truths." Yes, sure, I understand, but THEY DON’T WANT TO HEAR GOD’S TRUTHS, and you already know this, so what is your point? Leave them alone and let them taste your salt and see your light and admire your good works, and perchance they will even praise God for your new-found humility,
You will never argue anyone into accepting the truths of God’s Word. As salesmen are often taught: "You might win the argument, but loose the sale," so don’t argue. And this: "He who is persuaded against his will; is of the same opinion still."
I receive a lot of emails from people who beg me to come to their rescue because they are about to have a second session with their pastor or friend, but have failed miserably on the first go-round. Now they want me to give them the ammunition they need to do a slam-dunk on their second attempt to embarrass their pastor or friend. Give it up—that attitude is wrong. Such a carnal exhibition of prideful flesh is akin to someone looking for a street fight merely because he has just acquired a black belt in karate.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Thank you Denis for the links. :)
Really , I'm not trying to enlighten or win or save anyone. I'm not God that's fer sure!
Maybe, it came across as that but believe me I want no part in that. lol I grew up going from door to door with my church saying, "If you died today you know 100% sure you would go heaven?" and then whipping out my little "soul winners Bible" to go through the "Roman's Road" so they would say their little come to Jesus prayer and I could go to the next house.
Like I said to Craig. I have SO many around me that are in Christendom that if i don't state right up front what doctrines I believe in then they have no reason at all for thinking I'm not still walking along with them in these same beliefs. My life has completely changed anyway despite me not knowing the Greek and Hebrew word for Hell was really "grave". :) lol
I'm not beating them over the head with it but rather made one statement on FB stating that my daughter and I no longer agree with these doctrines after 2 years of studying truth for ourselves. No one responded really other than a friends son and his roommate at college. lol Which was fine with me. :) They didn't want to touch that with a 10 foot pole I'm sure of it!
My mother did see the post and blasted me but that's nothing new. My BF freaked out when she saw the website link that this Smith doesn't believe in "hell" and warned me not to read anything and my son well he's always thought I was off my rocker anyway.
So all of that to say.... I'm not trying to "convert" or "save" any of them. I'm not going to continue to act like I believe what they do either and continue to post Scripture as usual.
Just was more of and FYI for everyone. I don't even post Scripture to convert them but to praise Yeshua and give Him glory for His Sovereignty and answered prayers.
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Kat,
I couldn't agree more with Ray on this point and I do remember reading that in one of the papers. I'm sure Jeremiah and Isaiah felt the same with with the people not hearing one word they were saying. zzzzzzz It's definitely already been this way for me for the past two year as I studied. I got so excited when I realized it was "finished" and it was black or white and tried so hard to tell a few friends. They looked at me like I was nuts.
So...I went back and studied more and more and sure enough it was still black and white! lol
I've learned now if I can speak up and at least show a Scriptural truth and answer questions then I do. I don't character slam them at all but only ask a bunch of questions of show them Scripture. I hate "I think" or "My opinion is" so I really try to back up everything with Scripture or shut up but I definitely don't shy away from sharing truth if God allows me to do so. The good news is still good news..even if no one is listening or can listen! :)
Not one person in 46 years ever spoke truth to me about the Scriptures so I never want to shut up if the Holy Spirit leads me to stand firm in the truth of the gospel even if their eyes are glazed over like a deer in headlights.
Sure, I can't convert them but maybe later in life that one little truth will rattle around in their heads for awhile and eventually I'll see a few called out!
Yes, April and I are extremely grateful to Yeshua for our relationship and that He saw fit to call us both out together only like a month or 2 apart. It's amazing to see the Holy Spirit work in her heart at such a young age and make a new creation out of her.
She's done with the world and all it has to offer and knows the peace that comes with obeying God only! :) She wants to come and join the forum as well since she would like to see that others "get it". We are shocked to say the last that there are some! Ya'll would be blessed by her amazing discerning spirit and how she cuts to the chase with truth and stands firm in it.
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Even if the Lord hasn't yet given them faith, I am happy to believe for them. There will be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth, but it doesn't last forever, even for the most hard-hearted. Joy comes in the morning.
'sGood to meet you.
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Hi Dave,
Yup, I agree. :) "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God." So why not be spreaders of the Word and show our joy (that He supplies) in this short life... after our own gnashing of teeth and wailing!
Good to meet you too!
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Hi Loverly,
Great to meet you and learn more about your journey.
I've been around a while, but can still appreciate the thrill that comes with "new knowledge".
I'm sure that you will stir some controversy in your face book relationships, just be patient.
I'm an old gent and don't work well on FB but I try.
Welcome the the first day of the best and most challenging days of your life.
Indiana Bob
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Hi Bob!
Thanks for the welcome! Really, no one cares that much about what I believe. I just wanted to make a statement that I am not part of them even though I continue to post meaningful Scriptures and praise Yeshua since I do come from a huge circle of Christendom people. They all already knew I was a bit off from them anyway. lol Really, I knew some of this stuff wasn't right and I was really trying to put together like a time line or something to see why I was so confused on end times stuff. Nice the Holy Spirit brought me to the site so I didn't have to keep trying to figure it out. I can now move on to other studying!
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Hi Loverly, Welcome to the family.
You are a blessing to me just to see the love you have for Our LORD.
All the hardships He has brought you through. I know how you feel.
You are in good company here, these brothers and sisters here have helped me through a lot of pain and suffering in the past 3 years with love and prayer.
You will be blessed here with love and understanding through the word of God That all here share.
My God continue to enlighten you with His Word of Truth and your daughter also. That is a blessing in its self to have your daughter learning with you, I have no family members that believe this TRUTH, But in God's time it will be so.
I would love to share your love of God on your FB.
Your sister in Christ,
Virginia Miller
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Thank you Virginia!
He gave me no choice really other than to love Him ONLY. :) Wasn't much else to do after the personal kingdom was demolished.
It's honestly really weird to have people that know what I'm talking about for a change. I'm sure you all do know how this really feels as I read through some of the forums about your lives. Lots of different trials and adversity for us all to get to this one point of understanding.
I'm so sorry to hear that no one in your family gets it. That is difficult in itself! I do pray God calls out at least another family member for you to talk with.
My daughter is the only one in all of my friends and family that "get it" as we have come to call it. We are so excited to have each other and know God has a plan for us both to do together or He wouldn't have called us both at the same time.
I looking forward to getting to know the people on here better as really no one else can even talk to me for very long without starting their character attacks. Just this week my insane mother is at it again with messages on FB. Same sociopathic manipulative bondage fear stuff she's always done but Yeshua has freed me completely of bowing down to anyone or their opinions of me. It makes people that want to control and manipulate REALLY angry! :)
I love studying the Bible so it's amazing to find people that love it as much as I do! HUGE blessing!
I'll send you a message with my full name so we can connect on FB too!
Love and hugs!
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Hey Chosen Few!
I stumbled across this site over a week ago and have joyously read my every loverly brains out every day! :)
Long story short. I was steeped in "funnymentalist" Christendom from birth and even graduated from Bob Jones University. I lived out the good prodigal daughters life until my 30's when I decided that God was stupid and I wanted happiness so I lived out the bad prodigal daughters life to the fullest! I was married for 22 years to a fundamentalist also lived a hypocritical life. Upon hearing from my 12 year old that she was being fondled daily by her daddy (yes my husband!) I had to kick him out and never let him return. My sand castle kingdom was flattened to fine powder in every aspect including financially. I was angry with God of course and continued on my path of destruction and still claiming I knew Jesus. 2 years ago Yeshua drug me to repentance and after that has given me His "hunger and thirst for righteousness" and studying the Word. All family on both sides, all steeped in Christendom shunned, verbally assaulted and left us for dead blaming me for my husbands actions. Even husband blamed me and never has repented.
Our church and all "Christians" shunned us as well. That was a huge eye opener!
God used all of this to bring me to Himself and also my daughter age 16. My 18 year old son however has not turned and is verbally abusive to us for our beliefs. I'm a single mom with only Yeshua to help me. He took everything away, house, husband, money, people, family, friends etc etc etc and started from scratch to build a new creation! He gave me no choice at all to follow Him or not. I have learned to obey His voice and His only. The "arm of flesh" fails every time but Yeshua never fails!
He has me on a walk of faith right now financially which has been crazy but I obey. Just hit my neighbors car today backing outta the drive way (college son was home and parked it there!) but knew it was for a reason and just thanked God for it. No income for a year and a half and only a couple of months bill money, but whatever.....it's God's problem not mine!
I home schooled my kids up until both were accepted into a high school early college program 5 years ago. They both have taken high school and 2 years of college at the same time. They both started at age 14 and my life fell apart only 2 months after my son's first semester. So I've been doing this alone now for 9 semesters! I have no family in this town and really no friends to speak of. Pretty single mom's don't get invited ANYWHERE where couples are! lol I'm the mom, dad and entire pit crew to get them through school.
My daughter and I had already been called out of the organized church awhile now. We stopped attending way back in May and were trying to figure out what in the world to do. I study the Bible a lot and realized that I don't believe in a 2nd 2nd coming (it just wasn't adding up) so was researching that and a bunch of other things when I found this site. I didn't get angry at all but knew Ray was right and have appreciated all of the hard work he did in his studying! What an huge blessing!
My daughter knew it was right as well. God is teaching her right along with me and she has an amazing discerning spirit. The minute I told her there was no hell we both knew it was truth and our burden of fear lifted! We hated that doctrine and were weeping over friends and my son more than once a week! Just wasn't jiving in our spirits! We both know what the Refiners Fire in our souls really does and has been doing! No need to explain that to us! LOL WE GET IT!
Anyway, we are happy to know there are a few people out there that understand these truths and I'm excited to talk with a few of you! :) We have never met a true believe/follower of Jesus...man or woman EVER! I have over 400 people on my FB account mostly all in Christendom (many professors, the daughter of Bob Jones III and even the PR man of BJU!) and they all think I've lost my mind completely.
Loverly
Welcome to the forum loverly,
I am new to the forum too! Some story you have. I love your enthusism and you are very blessed to have your daughter understand the truth at the same time! My brother, Dad, and Mom haven't come out of Christendom physically but they do have the fruits of the spirit. In fact we will all be together Tuesday through Thursday! Otherwise I am in wilderness with my bf Jesus. 8)
Have a good day,
Jason
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Hi Jason! Also, welcome to you then! :)
That was the short short mini series version but glad you enjoyed it! :) It's truly amazing what Jesus can do with all of the big mess and still make someone shine whether they want to or not!
You made me giggle with the bf Jesus comment. Even though my daughter and I do have each other she is 16 and I'm 46 so she wishes someone her age would get this too.
It's definitely a wilderness though among so many people that don't understand and the accusations are even more amazing.
I'm glad you can see the fruit of the Spirit though in some of your family! I find after living religiously that so many know the lingo very well but really when they talk their words don't match up with the fruit. It's weird to hear their words come out of their mouths and hear the double talk.
I'm soooo happy to be out of darkness for the past 2 years and all of the bondage of controlling people and sin. It's exciting to get up every day to see what's next.
Knowing that Yeshua will NEVER fail and either has to take care of me or kill me is comforting! :)
Anyway,....hugs and I pray you also keep growing in the "knowledge of the truth."
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Hello Loverly, the reason we all "get it" as you call it, it's because God has opened our eyes to these truths. Not one of us is able to convince anyone about these truths. I have tried many times! Only God Himself can do it. I've even talked to pastors; they don't get it either. Have a great day.
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Theophilus,
Believe me I understand. My own mother just spent like the last week on FB blasting me once again for not bowing to her as an idol. She tried every fear tactic known to man that she has used since I was born. lol I heard long sermons typed out about grace and legalism. zzzzzzzzz
The more I refused to bow to her the hotter she got. I hadn't spoken to her since last spring and before that was over a year. She demands I bow to her and keeps trying but I just can't do it and won't just ignore the verbal assaults any longer. :) I pick the lies apart with the discernment of the Holy Spirit, and hand them back to her but that makes her revile and berate even more. :) She can't understand respect and idolatry are two different things so she brings out every fear tactic she can. Use to as a kid she would just berate me and slap me in the face and up and down my arms during her rants but she can't do that and the little girl is set free! Ha! :)
Anyway, believe me I understand and I'm sorry that we all have to go through this stuff but at least we know we are on the right track!
Just so thrilled to know a few of you are out there in the world! What a huge blessing! Big hugs for all of you enduring this verbal persecution regularly!
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Theophilus,
Believe me I understand. My own mother just spent like the last week on FB blasting me once again for not bowing to her as an idol. She tried every fear tactic known to man that she has used since I was born. lol I heard long sermons typed out about grace and legalism. zzzzzzzzz
The more I refused to bow to her the hotter she got. I hadn't spoken to her since last spring and before that was over a year. She demands I bow to her and keeps trying but I just can't do it and won't just ignore the verbal assaults any longer. :) I pick the lies apart with the discernment of the Holy Spirit, and hand them back to her but that makes her revile and berate even more. :) She can't understand respect and idolatry are two different things so she brings out every fear tactic she can. Use to as a kid she would just berate me and slap me in the face and up and down my arms during her rants but she can't do that and the little girl is set free! Ha! :)
Anyway, believe me I understand and I'm sorry that we all have to go through this stuff but at least we know we are on the right track!
Just so thrilled to know a few of you are out there in the world! What a huge blessing! Big hugs for all of you enduring this verbal persecution regularly!
Shouldn't you unfriend her on Facebook? Might be for the better. According to what you say, she seems to have a very messed up theology.
I left an Assemblies of God congregation when the good pastor, during his sermon, said that if we couldn't convert the Arabs, that we should bomb them! Talk about loving your enemy! His words felt like someone had emptied a bucket full of very cold water over me. I got up and left and never went back.
Some girl I befriended on Facebook admitted to me that she believes that God has an army, and that army is the US Army. So, God is battling His enemies through the US of A! That it is okay for US soldiers to kill those who oppose Christianity because they are being led by Satan. What a deception!!! She told me she would never unfriend me or block me; but I had to block her.
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Theophilus,
Believe me I understand. My own mother just spent like the last week on FB blasting me once again for not bowing to her as an idol. She tried every fear tactic known to man that she has used since I was born. lol I heard long sermons typed out about grace and legalism. zzzzzzzzz
The more I refused to bow to her the hotter she got. I hadn't spoken to her since last spring and before that was over a year. She demands I bow to her and keeps trying but I just can't do it and won't just ignore the verbal assaults any longer. :) I pick the lies apart with the discernment of the Holy Spirit, and hand them back to her but that makes her revile and berate even more. :) She can't understand respect and idolatry are two different things so she brings out every fear tactic she can. Use to as a kid she would just berate me and slap me in the face and up and down my arms during her rants but she can't do that and the little girl is set free! Ha! :)
Anyway, believe me I understand and I'm sorry that we all have to go through this stuff but at least we know we are on the right track!
Just so thrilled to know a few of you are out there in the world! What a huge blessing! Big hugs for all of you enduring this verbal persecution regularly!
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
I suggest you stop picking apart your mothers lies. It's impossible for her to understand. Most likely she will NEVER get it in this life.
And the "picking apart" is harming you:
Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Eventually you will see that your mother was not able to pick her parents either. She is what God made and what she is drove you to the truth.
If you really want to be that little girl who is "set free" be as kind as you can to your mother:
Pro 25:21 If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:
Pro 25:22 For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee.
1Ti 4:12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
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Dennis,
I agree with you. Thing is I do believe bringing abuse and abusive words to the light and not just ignoring abusive behavior and brushing it under the rug every time. I lived an entire life like that in their control. This is called "shooshing". Even King David "shooshed" Tamar. it's wrong.
Now, we walk in truth and love. I've always been the weak link/youngest or the scapegoat of the family of 4. So now I have stepped down from this (as well as all traditions and beliefs) and the people are furious. I don't at all feel a need to contribute, be controlled emotionally or spiritually, or participate in their addictions in any way to love them or respect them but they can't separate the two. They want idolatry and bowing down to them and nothing less will do.
If I allow this then I'm a liar as well and an idolater.
When sociopathic manipulators loose control of a person (especially and adult child) it isn't pretty.
Usually, it's best not to have any contact with them at all and I have had very little in the past 4 years, but this time I wanted a typed record of the conversation so I can print it out because this is the same conversation we have over and over again every 6 months when they want control back.
Once they loose control they try every tactic in the book to get it back. I wanted record of it so if there is a next time I don't have to get back on the merry go round again....if that makes sense.
Thanks for the encouragement!
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Let Go! and let God have full control of all around you.
Be at peace with those who spitefully use you. Give up your defense of your beliefs. God knows your heart
Be a living example for your daughter who loves God, loves you and listens to you.
NO ONE else matters at this point in time. She should be your full focus, not any others.
She will be able to leave home in less than two years where others will influence her.
Time is short. Be the best example you can be. That is what she will take with her... 8)
Ole Indiana Bob, father of four. :)
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I agree Bob! :) My motto for the year is "let go and let God" For some reason though God wanted me to have these conversations this past week with my mom and bro, who I'm sure was also reading the messages. For me it's actually healing and peaceful to be able to speak freely to her. I used to break down crying in fear. Not any longer!
As a child you can't speak to an adult that you physically, emotionally and spiritually fear. It's good to get some of this stuff out in the open without that fear. So really wasn't about them at all... but was about me healing.
Daughter (and son) are having a lovely day together in peace (hope you are as well!). Just finished playing some new games and now she's making her amazing homemade mac n cheese for our ham dinner. Started off the morning with my totally from scratch banana cream pie in a whole wheat brown rice crust topped with sweetened fresh whipping cream. :D nam nam nam. Not one gift to give or open and we didn't put the tree up but we have all that we need and are blessed to have each other.
Few minutes ago she said, "Mom! You know... I really love you!" :) Who needs anything else but that, Yeshua and banana cream pie? :D
We have been through so much but God has taught us amazing things about Himself, ourselves and others through it all. I don't think she wants to leave home. lol She wants me to live with her family and help with grandkids God willing. She said last week, "I think God put you in my life because it's going to be really weird teaching my kids the truth in this society! You teach them!"
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Loverly:
Your mother and my mother should get together and go bowling. I too endured decades of verbal abuse, but God never revealed to me how to deal with it, aside from ignoring her as much as possible. Even the rest of my family never knew how to handle her. (She died 6 years ago, for which I was very grateful). Oh well. My life lately is a spiritual roller coaster. I have been dealing with a lot of anger in my thoughts, and I believe that it is God getting it all out in the open.
Anyway, nice to meet you. Your enthusiasm is wonderful, glory to God. Blessings...
Dean
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Hi Jason! Also, welcome to you then! :)
That was the short short mini series version but glad you enjoyed it! :) It's truly amazing what Jesus can do with all of the big mess and still make someone shine whether they want to or not!
You made me giggle with the bf Jesus comment. Even though my daughter and I do have each other she is 16 and I'm 46 so she wishes someone her age would get this too.
It's definitely a wilderness though among so many people that don't understand and the accusations are even more amazing.
I'm glad you can see the fruit of the Spirit though in some of your family! I find after living religiously that so many know the lingo very well but really when they talk their words don't match up with the fruit. It's weird to hear their words come out of their mouths and hear the double talk.
I'm soooo happy to be out of darkness for the past 2 years and all of the bondage of controlling people and sin. It's exciting to get up every day to see what's next.
Knowing that Yeshua will NEVER fail and either has to take care of me or kill me is comforting! :)
Anyway,....hugs and I pray you also keep growing in the "knowledge of the truth."
Hi Loverly!
Thank you for the welcome. God especially loves those who he chooses out of darkness as you are experiencing! Sounds like you had a nice Chirstmas. I love being around friends and family cause most of the time its the loner lifestyle. Keep your "love of the truth," sister. Big hug to you.
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Dean,
Sounds like they were twins separated at birth. Oh the horror stories to tell! lol I understand you being relived completely as her death. Unless, you have a parent like this you can't even imagine how someone could not relate to their own mother. It's ok to get angry at abuse and sin. Jesus got angry about it too! Message me and I have an amazing site for adult children that we still abused verbally by their birth parents that will help you a lot so see their tactics. Even though your mother is gone already still you would understand a lot more of what went on. You are right God does take you through a process of grieving as you heal. I went to a small class for abused women and it was like going to a funeral every Friday for 2 hours. We processed a lot of emotions that we were robbed of processing as small children trying to put our coping mechanisms into place the best way we knew how. So work through the "debriefing" as the Holy Spirit walks you through it. :) It's so worth it!
Thank you for the encouragement and nice to meet you as well! I'm happy to be set free of the dark years and excited to live every day His peace! :) When that anxiety lifts from the abusive past it's amazing! So hang in there and realize that you family wanted you stuck on anxiety and Jesus sets you free of that constant fear!
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Welcome to this forum - some great advice from the mods too - as you are led by the Holy Spirit may you grow in his grace
Ian
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Thank you Ian. :) Nice to meet you too! Gonna bloom where I'm planted!
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Loverly,
Welcome to the forum! Your enthusiasm is infectious!!!
I love that the Lord brought you and Lark to the "crazies" forum. In your first post you said....
"No income for a year and a half and only a couple of months bill money, but whatever.....it's God's problem not mine!"
Hahaha so true!! He's working ALL after the council of His own will. What? Me worry? Psshhhht, my Father owns everything. He's all that AND a bag of chips!! Nothing is too big for Him, even the salvation of all mankind. :)
I LOVE IT :)
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Hi Se7en,
Thanks for the welcome! Lark and are very happy to be here! Was fun this week for her to read though a few posts and realize some of you "get it" and there are a couple even close to her own age! Sorta weird for us since we have been the only two we had to talk with for so long.
Yes, God has seen fit to put me through spiritual boot camp as I call it in this walk of faith. Money is so hard for anyone to let go of but once He gives you the shove over the cliff and you don't die... well it's all good from there! Sorta like in Indian Jones when he has to stick his foot out to walk on an invisible walk to get to the holy grail. :) The first step is freaky but after that it's all good.
My own "Christian" mother told me DSS was going to come and get my 2 teens because I was "poor". LOL I laughed at her and told her to keep her stupid words of fear and sorcery and I would trust in Yeshua...thank you very much!
A year later (past her evil prediction) still being the pit crew for my 2 teens taking high school and college combined. No time for them to care for themselves so God gave me this job. :) He's in charge of taking care of the rest and He does a swell job of the details!! We don't go without basic needs. Junk and stuff yes... but never basics needs.
He is the Sabbath Rest and is faithful...even with money!