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Hi to All,
This was such an awesome paper. What are your thought on it. I had revelation after revelation while reading it.
I came away knowing that the political stance of America does not make sense and it seems that there is no logic in it, I am now rest assured that is was pre-ordained and God is in control. What a blessing that I do not have to worry about the End days or what is going on.
Please share what you all thought. This looks to become a great thread.
Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
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That day when I watched the WTC attack on live TV, I immediately thought that this was the start of a new political period. I was right. Only months after, the US invaded Afghanistan and started the "war on terror". Mr. Bush said that those who were not with the US, were against them. My country, Norway, was (at least officially) among the nations on the "with us"-list. What else could we do? For half a century Europe had been dependent on "Uncle Sam" protecting us from the Soviet Union.
The subject of this paper could easily be applied to the whole Western world, not just the USA. On the other hand, I think we must first of all apply the Scriptures on a personal level, and try to let the events in the world as a whole take care of themselves. As a paper calling us to repentance it sure served it's purpose. God help us apply this in our lives.
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Hi Anne,
Yes, this paper was awesome and sobering as you and Kat stated. What a powerful reminder of the God we serve and His judgment and sovereignty! It is fear inspiring.
The pictures continue to be a vivid reminder of a dark, sad, day in our life. I am all the more thankful for being blessed with spiritual sight and understanding, as well as feeling incredibly humbled.
The history on the settling of Manhattan was also interesting to me.
Peace, love, and His grace to you all.
Rene'
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The paper is truly sobering but then, so have been the days since that fateful day.
My world changed before the 2nd tower fell. Ray has done an awesome job tying this event to prophetic Scripture. It worries me of what is to come of America and it saddens me that I am powerless to do nothing but watch as all "events" invariably continue to unfold.
Keep God close my dear brothers and sisters, we are going to need his strength and support more and more in the days to come.
If anyone needs a link to Ray's paper, then http://bible-truths.com/towers.htm it is. :)
Love Darren
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The temple constructed by Herod in Jerusalem that was present during Jesus time on earth had three towers. These towers along with the temple were completely destroyed in 70AD. There was nothing left standing.
If interested in reading, a word search on tower of antonia will bring up information on this.
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Hi guys, as much as I love Ray and appreciate ALL the God given truths he teachers us, this particular paper didn't do much for me. It must be the stage of my learning I'm at, or something ?? I spent a lot of time shrugging my shoulders as I was reading it, for some reason It just didn't really interest me like the other papers have....I'm sure I'll read it again in the future when the Holy Spirit wants me too. Should I be moving to NY in the not too distant future and George W Bush is still president.....I shall read it many times :D
Gods Blessing to all of my brothers and sisters !!
John
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I live in Manhattan, NYC and actually saw this event occur with my own eyes. It was truly something that I knew had biblical implications written all over it. I have read Ray's paper and might have to read it again to understand some of his points.
I do however think that if Isaiah was speaking of a transitional period for an age, then he might have also been speaking of the next age to come in relation to him [Isaiah] which I believed occurred after pentecost and fully transitioned after 70AD. I am not as keen as Ray to see what these prophecies may mean, but notice through out the Bible that towers that are against God, they either fall (i.e. towers on the temple, twin towers, etc) or are halted by God (i.e. Babel). These also tend to happen during transitional periods in ages. I am anxious to see what unfolds in the next years. But I also pray that God deliver us from the wrath to come. The end of this age is near, lets pray to God that we are found worthy to stand before the Son of Man.
"Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."
Luke 21:36
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I found Rays paper interesting, and plan on reading it again more slowly.
I want to study and think about what he wrote as I read it over a second time.
Iris
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I got the jest of the paper and I am slow to learn but I realize the teaching of this new paper.
I started seeing the change in this country called America some years ago and it has gotten to the point that our freedoms are slowly being taken away and all the politically correct ways we are forced to act and say and I for one am sick of it.
The truly sad thing about it is that even the world of christiondom goes right along with this and I can see God judging His called and His chosen and I for one have been spoken to and I am glad God is judging ME to make me obiedent to Him .I would not want it any other way.
His refining fire is starting with those who believe in Him and I thank Him so very much that he is judging,refining and continually making this retched person,me, to be created in His image.
Thank you Lord for using Ray to speak to this heart.
bobby
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The temple constructed by Herod in Jerusalem that was present during Jesus time on earth had three towers. These towers along with the temple were completely destroyed in 70AD. There was nothing left standing.
If interested in reading, a word search on tower of antonia will bring up information on this.
I don't understand the relevance? Are you saying that was or could be the fulfillment of Isaiah 30?
Did those towers fall from the top down?
Was it the breach in those towers that fell?
Did their walls bulge out before falling?
Did they fall in an instant?
Was there a great slaughter connected to their falling?
Was their falling a witness?
Did a new age begin when these towers fell? etc.
I think it's important that Isaiah starts out talking about the last days: Isa 2: 2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days..."
And I do not believe that the bible would ignore the greatest nation the world has ever seen, unless the US collapses and another nation becomes even greater. But that nation would have to be a Christian nation to fulfill Isaiah prophesies, and I just do not see that potential in any other Christian nation.
Dennis
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I read the paper and I understand how Ray used the foundation of the twin towers to Isaiah's Prophecy. However, I might add, there have been other injustices in this country such as wrongful convictions, Little Rock 9, etc. that this country will have to account for. I'm reminded of Ecc. 7:10
"Say not thou that the former days were better than these, for thou does NOT inquire wisely concerning this."
So yes I believe the Towers were desinated to be built and destroyed in the time that God had ordained. And yes, our governments, public schools, and even more so, our FAMILIES are pathetic in their current state. This is no smooth thought of mine but an observation. Unless GOD calls US to repent for "leaving our first love". It won't happen. And God is in TOTAL control of everything
"Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that
are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Isaiah 46:10
We are to rest in Him as He calls us to, and that way we will "endure to the end"
Ches
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What I find most compelling about this paper is the introduction, how NY was built, what the Twin towers represented. I think it is the significance of the towers that make the prophecy even more compelling. I appreciate as well the correlation between the decadence of the Great Roman Empire as Nero fiddled away and Washington fiddling away as another “great empire” is crumbling. I have always believed that America is doomed to collapse.
Why should you be stricken any more? You will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart is faint. From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is NO SOUNDNESS IN IT…" (Isa. 1:4-6a).
This scripture was one of my favorite in the paper.
Remain bless.
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Brothers and Sisters, this is the first time, I believe, that Ray has mentioned the United States in prophectic terms. In fact, he rarely, if at all, speaks of the end times. The Lord put this in his heart for a very good reason. I believe the Lord is warning all of us to really watch and get ready for the day of the Lord. Think about it, has Ray's writings to this point been off the mark? God speaks through His Word and through His servants. Don't take this lightly, this is the real deal. As those towers fell suddenly, so this nation that we all love can also fall just as sudden. May God have mercy on us and the Israel of God!
Dwight
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I thought the paper was very good ... but I HAVE heard preachers say that 9/11 was God's judgment on America and a warning for us to repent. Too bad those messages were drowned out by other, more politically correct speeches.
Also, did anyone notice this?
Isaiah 30:1-3, 6-7—"Woe to the rebellious children [Israel], says the Lord, that take counsel, but not of ME: and cover with a covering [Heb: ‘make an alliance’ or ‘ratify a covenant’], but not of MY spirit [Heb: ‘against My will’], that they may add sin to sin.
And they reject the counsel of God. They go against God’s will in these matters. And so God tells us why our nations will fall ...
I thought no one COULD go against God's will ... Maybe I'll send him an e-mail asking about that.
Sandy
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Also, did anyone notice this?
Isaiah 30:1-3, 6-7—"Woe to the rebellious children [Israel], says the Lord, that take counsel, but not of ME: and cover with a covering [Heb: ‘make an alliance’ or ‘ratify a covenant’], but not of MY spirit [Heb: ‘against My will’], that they may add sin to sin.
And they reject the counsel of God. They go against God’s will in these matters. And so God tells us why our nations will fall ...
I thought no one COULD go against God's will ... Maybe I'll send him an e-mail asking about that.
Sandy,
That's an interesting question... I would like to attempt to answer it very carefully.
What is God's ultimate will or His will for the end result of His creation?
I believe that it is for the inhabitants of the world to learn righteousness, there lies our salvation or the salvation of all men! Isaiah 26:9
Yet God is still using both light and darkness, good and evil (Isaiah 45 6-7) to accomplish His will and all His good pleasure (Isaiah 46:10-11).
Is God's will for men to reject His counsel or go against His will (righteousness?) Of course not, but it is part of His grander plan to bring all men into the knowledge of God.
Some vessels for honor, some for dishonor...
"What if God, willing to shew His wrath, and to make His power known, endured with much suffering the vessels of wrath fitted for destruction: and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, even us whom He hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?"
-Romans 9:22-24
Hope this helps.
Josh
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Luke 21 : 26 Men swooning away or expiring with fear and dread and apprehension and expectation of the things that are coming on the world; for the very powers of the heavens will be shaken and caused to totter.
Luke 12 : 32 Do not be seized with alarm and struck with fear, little flock, for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom!
This teaching "IN THE DAY OF THE GREAT SLAUGHTER" - When the towers Fell - struck me to the core of my being! This is God’s word for our times reading the signs of the times for us who have not yet learnt to read for ourselves the seasons! What a privilage to have read this paper written by Ray who is shown the times, their meanings and the season we are in................
Arcturus
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My comments on the article i was alittle skared at first, i don't like applying the world around us to the bible, but rather allow the bible to explain itself you know. Like the question is the answer type thing, thats how i've seen God works in the scriptures, you want an answer to a scripture, compare the spiritual with the spiritual. Atleast how i see it, so the whole paper i mean i read it, it was interesting, but alot of people right this type of stuff and i'm not sooooooooo sure about it.
The comment someone also made about the temple coming down and havin three towers that were completely destroyed was interesting, something i had not heard, and it makes me wonder because paul and the disciples often called the times that Jesus came as the 'last days.' 'Little children you knwo it is the last days...''Who was made manifest to you in these last days...' etc.. so i mean i really can't be too sure, the Lord has me alittle on gaurd spiritualy atleast about the whole thing, i mean don't get me wrong i love the stufff ray writes and the Lord first used Him to open my eyes and ears up, but this whole natural physical type deal thing is still tought for me to swallow, not say its not the truth or what God is really saying, just saying its alittle hard for me to accept right now and i will have to do praying on it,a nd asking the Lord what it is He has purposed for me to understan,d and hopefully that understanding will be the truth, and not strong delusion.
God bless all,
Alex
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Now I don't have anything profound to say on this. I read the paper that was written and was amazed at the detail, research and thought that went into it. I ,too, will read it again at a more leisurely pace. Ray spent a lot of time on it.
When I think of the twin towers coming down I think back to that day. I saw a plane going into a building on the t.v. and called Michael at work. I was already crying as I told him to pray because a big building had been hit. I didn't know right then that it was in our own country. I was stunned and in shock and cried harder with the knowledge that this was happening in our country. While we were praying over the phone the second plane came in. We were just in shock. For ya'll who live in New york I can't imagine how it truly was for you. Around here the biggest buildings we have are maybe 3 stories tall so my mind couldn't and still can't comprehend what it looked like. Such a sad day for us all.
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Jennie,
Yeah you were not lying. I had two good friends perish in those buildings. I was supposed to be in New York then, but thank God that I cancelled the plans at the last minute.
Good posts guys. Gave me a lot to chew on.
Dwight, good post.
Josh - Good explanation to Sandy's question.
God Bless.
Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
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Let us take a look at our tower. My tower was reaching to the heavens. I had it all,so I thought. I kept building that tower higher and higher. I ,on my own, was building the foundation and thought I could add each floor as I built it higher and higher.
It was God who started to tear this tower down from the top floor down and as it crumbled each floor was being torn down as the top floor hit the next floor and further down it crumbled and there my life lay in one big heap.
God started to rebuild by starting the foundation built on Jesus Christ and one day it will be a beautiful temple built by God himself.
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Luke 14:30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
Genesis 11:4-11
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
bobby
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Thank you Bobby.... that is great food for thought. My Granny used to have an expression that we still use here today. When we "kids" started getting a little uppity she said "we were getting a little too big for our britches". What she meant was we were thinking or acting like we were smarter, better, etc. , than others. Sometimes I think we are "getting too big for our britches" in this, our own country. God has brought me down to size more than once. I would imagine that He will have to do so till the day I die. It is just our old human nature I guess. As hard as the bringing down to size is there is beauty in the breaking down. We have experienced it first hand over the last 2 months. We had the fire which was terrible and put us down to just about nothing but the beauty of that breaking was seeing the good in so many. We are guilty (Michael and me) of saying from time to time that the world is just about as messed up as we can imagine and what must God think of us and then in the midst of our breaking , the good shines through. We saw it in all of you. We even saw it in that company I told ya'll about. Sometimes we get too big for our britches and God steps in to remind us of just who the Father is. Love to you all, Jennie
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I sent Ray an e-mail with my question, so I'll keep watching my inbox and you all can watch the E-mails section on here. :)
Sandy
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I really enjoyed the paper. Having been to a couple of conferences, I can hear his voice as if I was there. I know, I'm different ;D
Now for "Part D".
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I'll second that Patrick! ;D
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I'll second that Patrick! ;D
Arcturus, what part of my post are you being the second witness too; me being different or now for part D or maybe both? ;D :P
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;D :D I really enjoyed the paper.................. I can hear his voice as if I was there.............., I'm different
Now for "Part D". :D ;D
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And the motion passes. ;D
Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
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Hi. Good to be back. (Please read my adventures in the thread 1Cor13, I need prayer)
Anyway, I have read this entire thread. I have not yet read the paper. I wanted to hear your reactions first. Very interesting.
I am a little nervous to read it. I thought there was not going to be any apocalyptic events like the tribulation. Here goes. I will check back with you after I have read it.
gena
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Let us take a look at our tower. My tower was reaching to the heavens. I had it all,so I thought. I kept building that tower higher and higher. I ,on my own, was building the foundation and thought I could add each floor as I built it higher and higher.
It was God who started to tear this tower down from the top floor down and as it crumbled each floor was being torn down as the top floor hit the next floor and further down it crumbled and there my life lay in one big heap.
God started to rebuild by starting the foundation built on Jesus Christ and one day it will be a beautiful temple built by God himself.
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Luke 14:30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
Genesis 11:4-11
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
bobby
Bobby, that sounded more like the Ray I am used to. I am still chewing on this paper and will re read it again (maybe many times).
It seemed like a very physical interpretation, one I am not used to. I thought life was going to go on until that last person dies, then the 1000 year reign, then the GWT. Somehow, I untaught myself to worry about a tribulation. Did I get something wrong here?
gena
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Hi gena,
Yes, this article does show a physical interpretation.
It is my understanding, that there is the physical aspect of scripture and the spiritual.
The people given 'eyes to see' (like Ray) know how to apply this to the scripture.
Not all scripture have a literal meaning either, so there has to be discernment.
God's Spirit gives us this knowledge, and God uses Ray to teach us.
and we have to pray that God will guide our understanding.
There is a lot in the scripture about the end times,
even the church know some things about it.
But I believe God will only give the whole truth of the matter, to the elect.
Rev 3:11 "Behold, I come quickly. Hold fast to that which you have, so that no one may take your crown."
He comes quickly applies to this life when we die and also the end of this world,
when Christ will return and rule all nations that are left on earth.
Rev 12:5 "She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron..."
We have to have faith that God will always watch over and protect His elect :)
Psa 91:14 "Because he holds fast to me in love, I will deliver him; I will protect him, because he knows my name."
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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Hello Gena
....to see the physical interpretation in the teaching is something that I too noticed. I believe that this observation however points to the tremendous importance of reading the times accurately and interpreting the seasons according to the word of God that has been done for us who are being guided by the teachings as set before us on Bible Truths via Ray.
I too observe the contrast in style to Ray's previous insights shared with us and have been struck in awe at the accuracy and the content of his writing that shows where this generation is in terms of its evil and wickedness and the propensity for this generation to teach and preach peace and to turn sweet into sour and offer evil for good. For me the teaching we have received is a barometer that signals the dangerous apathy of the world as it gravitates into more carnality and apostasy in wilful blindness that does not see or want to see the evidence that shows the truth of Christ’s words spoken in Spirit and fulfilled right before our own eyes as illustrated in the teaching and revelation of the meaning in the Scriptures surrounding 9/11.
You wrote : I untaught myself to worry about a tribulation. Did I get something wrong here?
Many thoughts all at once came to mind after I read your observation.
I think belief or acceptance of the teachings of Mystery Babylon result in complacency, luke warmness, and wrong understanding. Christ taught us to be watching and praying at all times. We know and understand that we are called to a way of life not a once off Sunday sermon, Easter or Christmas celebration. We are constantly visible to Christ not just as we pray or do good deeds. We are in front of Him all the time and only the wicked will say that God does not see what they are doing. He said it is only a wicked generation who asks for signs. They want to have the house in order for the arrival of the King not because they are living in orderliness but because they do not wish to be caught out and only seek to be found in order whilst living in disorder. That is why they want to know when the thief is coming to be ready at that time not because they want to be ready at all times in season and out of season. A wicked generation wants to have its cake and eat it too. A double minded generation that serves mammon while paying lip service to God and their hearts are far from God. This is not who we are.
So by Mystery Babylonian teaching the wrong signals for the times, many are mislead to believe that there is peace and that they are okay and do not have to apply what Christ taught as being applicable in all generations in all seasons. Jesus taught that if our focus and attention is on the cares of this world that this would choke our faith and that we are to prefer to rely, lean and depend on Christ’s faith for our salvation that He brings to those who are waiting, expecting and looking for Him. He taught us to cast our cares on Him. Paul said too, that he was laying aside every burden behind him and he was running the race set before him with his eyes on Christ alone. He set the example.
….. so much dung as Paul would write,…..what we have been taught or what we have thought to be the truth in the past. Now is the day to look ahead to Christ our King. Not yesterday. I too came through much garbage and now stand in open view of Christ in a better promise. Dragged out of the compost of Babylon, …………..
You ask did you get something wrong. Gena non of us got something wrong. We all got everything wrong. Only Jesus got it right!
And so looking ahead to that great day with hope and joy, expectation and excitement, be encouraged, He comes again to …bring to full salvation those who are eagerly, constantly, and patiently waiting for and expecting Him. Heb 9:28
Luke 13 : 24 Strive to enter by the narrow door, force yourselves through it for may, I tell you will try to enter and will not be able. 25. When once the Master of the house gets up and closes the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door again and again, saying Lord open to us! He will answer you I do not know where what house hold – certainly not Mine you come from.
26 Then you will say We ate and drank in your presence and You taught in our streets. 26 But He will say, “ I tell you I do not know where, what house hold – certainly not Mine you come from, depart from Me al you wrong doers!
Compare Matt 7 : 7 keep on asking and it will be given you, keep on seeking and you will find, keep on knocking reverently and the door will be opened to you. 8. For everyone who keeps on asking receives, and he who keeps on seeking finds, and to him who keeps on knocking, the door will be opened.
Matt ….asking seeking and knocking is a way of life. Asking dependence on Christ. Seeking thirst and hunger for Christ. Knocking acceptance that we are yet weak, liable to temptation and we fail and need Christ who alone can usher us to the Throne of God where we receive mercy grace and unmerited favour in our needs. Ref Heb 4 : 15, 16.
Compare Luke….knocking is a demand and self rationalization not Christ centred need searching and depending necessity for Jesus as in Matt. But rather a self approved, self appointed motivation to escape darkness after the door is closed.
We can truly and fully lean on and rely on the good deeds of Christ and on His faith. No false teaching can substitute Christ and despite everything we have ever heard Mystery Babylon say to us it is through His triumph of overcoming the world that we are released from the need to think again about what we have been taught wrongly in the past. Like Paul we need only look ahead to HIM and our future He has prepared for us which is unlike anything history or the past could ever dare hope, dream or believe in because it is an unmerited future fully gained and completely won by Christ. The world does not see or know this…..1 Cor 2:10 ......But God has revealed them to us by his Spirit:
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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I Thank God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ for placing "In The Day of the Great Slaughter"-When the Towers Fell on Ray's heart and inspring to write this paper of great importance for all of humanity.
The last scripture placed in the paper Psalm 127:1 UNLESS THE LORD GUARDS THE CITY, THE GUARD KEEPS WATCH IN VAIN, really impacts my life.
The Lord has given me the task of being in charge of a group of Unarmed Security Officers whose duties include providing a safe and secure environment, protecting hundreds of employees at a call center.
During my seven plus years at this facility we have encountered occurrences yes, but only three of a threatening nature which turned out to be pranks. Therefore I say He, THE LORD JESUS is the One who make SAFE, SECURES, and PROTECTS.
May we see HIS protection every second of our lives.
Skip
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Skip,
Amen to that. May God protect all that are in the armed forces, governement, and other places. May his favor fall upon us this year as we strive to keep in running to which is our eternal prize and heavenward. May we never lose sight of Jesus no matter how bad things may get this year.
Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
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This was a great paper by Ray. I had no idea that 9/11 would be in The Old Testament.
Amazing huh?
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Kat & Arcturus,
Thank you so much for your love, wisdom, and keen insight. You gals keep the scripture in front of us and at least for me brings me back on focus. Yes, we all got it wrong -only Jesus got it right.
I will read it again w/o fear & doubt. Psalm 91:14 will be my guide.
Hey, Sorin, good to hear from ya!!
love,
gena
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Hi all,
Not really too concerned with the outward things of this world but here is an interesting video. . . remember not to lose sight of the "prize" and God Bless!
Loose Change
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501
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Hello my Family of God and loved ones:
I read Rays very sobering paper and then reread it (to my hubby :) and I just thanked God for Rays ability and insight and willingness to be the 'voice crying in the wilderness' for us to hear! I praise God that HE is grooming me and my DH and DS for somethging very unique and special enough that HE would show me things that probably 99+ percent of the rest of the world (6 billion people) does'nt understand; and I thank Him that HE has set me apart from the world; yet I am nothing without Him living in me.
Once I viewed the Twin Towers falling, I knew in my spirit that this was Of God's wrath being poured out on this fallen(spiritally) country that He had so blessed aforetime. (It made me literally ill to know why this was occuring; I repented.) I asked for wisdom, and heard from the Holy Spirit that New York definately was Babylon. I looked on a map and saw a literal city in NewYork called BABYLON, NY! (they have the deepest seaport in the world... I never knew that before 9/11!) Just to think that this was brought about b/c of so much sin that had reached God's nostrils...AND THE PEOPLE STILL DIDN'T WANT TO REPENT WHEN THEY HAD THE CHANCE TO.
I must say that the one thing that got me the most in this paper was the reality that God is repulsed by 'christians' b/c they are "...having a form of Godliness, but, the truth is not in them..." and that the good ole USA is 'Christian' Nation rather that 'Christ- like Nation'! ( I knew this, but what I didn't realize was just how enormous the number is of those whom WANT to be decieved really is!!! As well as how God HAS FINALLY (AS OF NOW) TURNED THEM /CHRISTIANS OVER TO A STRONG DELUSION!!!) Thus, I learned that we must ('come out of her my people' ) NOW even more than we already have. I am grieving at the reality of those whom I personally know and love and whom have chosen to go the' broad way to destruction'. Plus, the fact is, that I NOW,CAN NO LONGER HAVE FELLOWSHIP WITH THESE PEOPLE b/c the power and influence of the deceived masses is so emense in numbers and so strong in their 'unity' for their unGodly beliefs in this country, that they have a potential of taking us down with them if we (Gods' Elect/saints) choose to mingle and fellowship with them in their unGodliness and in their carelessness. They do not care for the truth; they are comfortable with where they are. Now, I must do all I can to stand for my very life. Sadly, the dillusion that they have bought into is SO easy to get out of, but they don't want to give up what they have in order to know the truths of God; now that is amazing to me.
(Dennis, you are right, there are no other Christian countries available to live up to being the next greatest 'christian' nation...)
Bobby; what insight! I love your beautiful analogy of the 'spiritual Temple' that God is building up in His saints.
Thank you all for your comments, as they were very enlightening!
RAY: NO IRONY HERE; GOD INTENDED TO USE THE SAME FAMILY THAT FIRST BUILT UP THIS COUNTRY AS WELL AS HE USED THE SAME FAMILY ( YOU, RAY) TO WARN OF THE DESTRUCTION OF THIS EVIL COUNTRY...
Very sobering indeed.
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Hi all,
Not really too concerned with the outward things of this world but here is an interesting video. . . remember not to lose sight of the "prize" and God Bless!
Loose Change
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501
I feel the same way dustin, and also like you i'm sketchy on the whole thing bieng a terrorist attack by bin laden and his crew.
I've watched many of these videos, and the whole thing is too strange to have been done by these terrorists.
Thanks for the video!
Love in Christ,
Alex
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I feel the same way dustin, and also like you i'm sketchy on the whole thing bieng a terrorist attack by bin laden and his crew.
I've watched many of these videos, and the whole thing is too strange to have been done by these terrorists.
Thanks for the video!
Love in Christ,
Alex
Nice to see you around, Alex. Keep your faith brother and you will finish without disappointment (2Ti 4:7).
God Bless,
Dustin
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Susan,
Very good post indeed. It is somewhat disheartning that we have to get somber and sobering messages to clean up our act indeed. Perhaphs one day it will only take a kind warning, but until then I am thankful that God has raised up people like Ray and others to go to town on presenting the truth with no holds bar.
Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
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I remember this day and the impact it made. At that time, my husband and I were greatly rooted in a tv ministry that believes that the U.S. can do no wrong and will be protected by God Almighty in "that day" from the terror of the tribe of Ishmael. Funny, huh??? There was much soothsaying going on at the time from all, even our "tv ministry". We furitively looked up the scriptures with PC Bible Study for Windows and even though we had discovered the reference to Isa. in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fell, the warning of the scriptures was soon laid to rest under the mire of the soothsayers. Indeed, I felt a calm even in the storm because I had (and still have) great faith in the Lord God Almighty and His plan for the universe. It was weird that they didn't dismiss schools that day or the next and they downplayed the threat as if we are too big and strong with the power of our own might to be bothered with such as "paltry" attack. We watched as they edited the video to not include the horror of it all and I remember Billy Grahmn's soothing speech to the nation. Time has marched on and the nation has failed to repent after 9-11 and after Katrina.......life, liberty and the pursuit of "happiness" goes on as usual......how many warnings will God send through the enemy, natural disasters and His true prophets???? I know that I have much to repent of after being reminded by Mr. Smith's teaching. God be with us all.
Barbara
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Barabara,
I do remember Mr. Grahams's prayer. I remember also thinking that was the most insincere prayer that I had ever heard. I remember not being a Christain at this time and thinking wow, if God was real what would he have thought of that prayer? I now know what he would have thought of that prayer and it comes to be that our opinion of that prayer is one and the same.
I do not mean to pick on Mr. Graham but I thought that he would have prayed better seeing he was a multi-million Christain.
Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
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I feel the same way dustin, and also like you i'm sketchy on the whole thing bieng a terrorist attack by bin laden and his crew.
I've watched many of these videos, and the whole thing is too strange to have been done by these terrorists.
Thanks for the video!
Love in Christ,
Alex
Oh bro don't tell me you believe in those '9/11 conspiracy theories' they're all wrong, every single last one of them. And they all lack the evidence to back up their claims.
I believe with all my heart that it was Bin Laden who masterminded the attacks and we will one day know for sure. ;)
Take care,
Sorin
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Some months ago, over at Tentmaker forum, there was alot of talk about all the intrigue etc over 9-11. They don't seem to mind that over there. No our country is not perfect, but I think Ray's position is that it is Gods' will no matter what, so why get the Body in contention over it. Dustin & Alex other forums really get into all that if you want debate & discussion, tho Sorin, I happen to agree with you. But if I am wrong so what??
I am old enough to remember all the conspiracy that went on about Clinton having all these people murdered who stood in his way, they had positive proof videos etc. I also remember Watergate and how that was made into something way more than it should have. When Reagan got shot there was all kinds of theories and whatnot. Point is, so what. We are not of this world.
Here in my world (this forum), I want to share with like minded believers about Ray's papers and the Bible. I want help in how to walk in this world but not be of it. \I want to have & show the fruit of the Spirit. I want to walk as Jesus w/ skin on as Jennie puts it. Those of you who know me, know I am way, way far from those ideals.
Anyhoo, said all that to say lets leave conspiracy theories out of the forum. If I am out of line here Mods, please delete this or let me know. But I am sure politics is a no no.
love to all,
gena
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Good post gena!!! :)
Iris
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Thanks Iris!
love,
gena