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Title: Crucifying Christ
Post by: hillsbororiver on February 10, 2007, 12:42:23 PM: While I was away I was contemplating the crucifixion of our Lord and what I saw was that all (believers) have taken part in this. Remember when the people were given the chance to spare the life of Jesus? I see this as representative of us seeking His Spirit to overcome the natural man/beast within us.

The other prisoner was Barabbas the murderer, could he represent the natural, murdering, hateful heart possessed by the natural man, the one whose wound is healed when we lose our first love? Did not the Jews also love Him earlier when He was working miracles for them and they thought He would be the earthly, worldly messiah they hoped for?

Didn't the rejection of Jesus (by the people) give new life to Barabbas (his release)?

I remember when in years past whether I was in or out of some church (mostly out) I really believed that I would not have been one who would have shouted "Crucify Him" it is only recently that I have realized that I have shouted that in my carnal spirit numerous times in my life, it is a very humbling realization.

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 10, 2007, 12:52:56 PM: Joe,

Wow. That was a powerful post. Yes, we all drove the nails as well, yet our Savior held his arms out to be nailed.

It is quite a humbling experience.

Thanks for sharing this with us.

May God bless You as much as you have blessed Me.

Sincerely,

Anne C. McGuire
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: Deborah-Leigh on February 10, 2007, 03:20:33 PM: Hello Joe

.....after reading your post.....I read the following.

Psalm 32 : 5 I acknowledged my sin to You, and my iniquity I did not hide. I said, I will confess my transgressions to the Lord, continually unfolding the past till all is told - then You instantly forgave me the guilt and iniquity of my sin.

2 Cor 3 : 16-18 But whenever a person turns in repentance to the Lord, the veil is stripped off and taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty, emancipation from bondage, freedom. 18 And all of us, as with unveiled face, because we continued to behold in the Word of God, as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are constantly being transfigured into His very own image in ever increasing splendor and from one degree of glory to another; for this comes from the Lord Who is the Spirit.

What comes up for me is that you can not have repentance if you do not have sin, can you? Will not sin cease and fail and mercy will surpass it, increase the more and superabound. Rom 5 : 20

Could being saved mean being made able to sin no more?

Peace to you

Arcturus :)
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: ciy on February 10, 2007, 07:44:03 PM: Joe

I think when God gives the eyes to see scripture as you are seeing it iis when he is leading you on that spiritual journey into the deeper truths of God. I love it and am glad you posted this.
CIY
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: hillsbororiver on February 11, 2007, 09:54:04 AM: Anne, Arcturus & Ciy,

Thank you for the responses and your input. I definitely see being "saved" when it happens at the resurrection will mean we are finally totally free from the pull of the flesh.

This pattern of being led out of captivity, of spiritual hope kindled within us only to have our base nature overcome as we lust for earthly things, the realization of our fall and the repentance in our hearts and bitterness in our stomachs as he suppliments our spirits with His Divine Grace, the prodigal son returns.

This scripture from Zechariah came to mind;

Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

I remember how many of the denominations and the serial authors of "prophecy" books use this verse as proof of physical Israel's conversion in this age, this I believe applies to the called and chosen who realize they had left their first love, gave life to the beast within and bitterly repented when His Spirit opened their eyes to His chastising grace.

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 11, 2007, 11:23:27 AM: Joe,

I had never looked at that verse as it being Us, I had always heard it appilied to Israel. I wonder how many other verses apply to us, that they thought would apply to Israel. That is rather interesting.

I am wondering why mainstream denominalationism<sic> needs to have Israel converted. What are your ideas on this. I also woner why MD needs not to focus on that we all crucified Jesus. I have not heard that often preached about when I was attending mainstream churches.

Sincerely,

Anne C. McGuire
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: hillsbororiver on February 11, 2007, 12:11:53 PM: Good morning Anne,

It was about a year ago after rereading one of Ray's articles in regard to the OT Prophets that it became quite clear that the trials and tribulations of the "men of old" was the physical journey of them and the spiritual journey of His called and chosen.

Jas 5:10 Take my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.

As for the MD's don't they pretty much see everything through physical/carnal eyes? The Lord has still seen fit to hide the spiritual meanings from them.

Mat 13:10 And the disciples came and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 11, 2007, 12:41:46 PM: Joe,

It is quite a lovely thing and a great blessing to be called out of the MD's. Thanks for posting so quickly. I am blessed to begin to being able to discern the spiritual vs. the physical.

Sincerely,

Anne C. McGuire
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: Deborah-Leigh on February 11, 2007, 01:25:22 PM: Hello Anne

You wrote : I am blessed to begin to being able to discern the spiritual vs. the physical.

That comment blesses me because for me this shows recognition and appreciation for the Spirit of Christ present in the Forum! Thank you....He is with us!....our Shepherd King!

Peace to you

Arcturus :)
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: hillsbororiver on February 12, 2007, 02:45:29 PM: Quote from: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 10, 2007, 12:52:56 PM

we all drove the nails as well, yet our Savior held his arms out to be nailed.

Hello Anne,

Who do you believe is more accountable for the crucifixion, the unbelieving Roman soldiers or the religious leaders and the crowd of onlookers which included many former followers of Jesus?

Weren't the soldiers only following orders to put to death some guy who the authorities claimed was trying usurp the power of Rome? They were the unbelievers, the uncalled, most of the crowd (the called) knew of Jesus and His miracles, His message of love for your brethren and love of God for His people. The leaders hated Jesus because they were fearful of their own power and authority (not to mention riches) being diminished by this radical Man, the people hated Jesus because His (spiritual) Kingdom is (was, will be) not of this world, not of this earthly realm of worldly power and material things.

Even the apostles, those chosen by the Lord turned their back on Him in the darkest hour, not like Judas who was also seeking an earthly messiah but the rest of the apostles abandoned Him because they still had a timid and immature spirit, afraid yet for their own lives. Of course those chosen by the Lord were given His Spirit at Pentecost and they became fearless in obeying and living His Word, spreading the gospel as they were commanded without regard to their earthly lives or comforts.

Aren't many in the denominations (especially the leadership) living this out presently, they are making noises about Jesus but reject His spiritual Kingdom for an earthly one, the prayers for gain or victory over their enemies, the prosperity gospel, the building projects, etc. are given a higher priority than His Spirit within us.

I found the crucifixion another incredible scriptural microcosm of all the churches and the world through all the ages encompassed in this ultimate act of love by our Lord and Saviour.

How deep is the Mind of God and how many layers of Truth is His Word, what an amazing journey He has us on as we seek the treasure of His Kingdom.

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: longhorn on February 12, 2007, 03:04:22 PM: Great post Joe.

Longhorn.
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 12, 2007, 03:47:23 PM: Joe,

When I look back on all the injustices of history, excluding the crucifixion for now, I see many bad things and many atrocities. When I look back over my own life and see decisions that I have made that have had bad consequences, I shudder. I guess that I feel badly, that I would have such a detrimental effect on others and people in my life as well as on others that I do not know. I wonder how anything good come out of this. Without looking at the crucifixion, I would really get sad. But then looking at it, I see people who were obeying orders and those that were actively involved, and I see beauty in it. Becuase I know how the rest of the story goes so to speak.

Perhaps that is the way with the rest of the world and all the atrocities that are going on. When I see those in light of the Crucifixion, I can rejoice and truly give thanks.

As to who is more accountable, I am not sure if there is a right answer.

"I found the crucifixion another incredible scriptural microcosm of all the churches and the world through all the ages encompassed in this ultimate act of love by our Lord and Saviour."

This was a beautiful statement.

I am so glad that the Scripture is many layers thick, becuase I love knowing that I can read the same passage over and over and always learn something new. I love my walk with God.

Thanks so much for you reply, this certainly is meat to chew on. I am so happy that I have now branched into some of the deeper conversations.

Sincerely,

Anne C. McGuire
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: Deborah-Leigh on February 12, 2007, 03:54:03 PM: Hello Joe

This stands out for me where you say :

......the apostles abandoned Him because they still had a timid and immature spirit, afraid yet for their own lives. Of course those chosen by the Lord were given His Spirit at Pentecost and they became fearless in obeying and living His Word, spreading the gospel as they were commanded without regard to their earthly lives or comforts.....

….this is a very important point. In fact one that is challenging me in multiple ways. Only God knows our break points. Who among us can say we are like Job….faithful to the point of death and destruction of our earthly realm? Job's life was taken and returned to him physically in earthly abundance greater than the one he knew and lost. Saul’s life was also taken or terminated as he knew it before his road experience to Damascus and Saul was given a new life as Paul Spiritually. Jesus laid down His life and took it up again powerfully. Who among us has the power to lay down their life and take it up again? Only Christ who is the God of the OT and our Saviour in the NT. We can not trust ourselves. All power and authority is His. We can trust Him with our lives.

Your post made some very good points and shared new insights for me, especially your comment : Weren't the soldiers only following orders to put to death some guy who the authorities claimed was trying usurp the power of Rome? They were the unbelievers, the uncalled, .....

Peace to you

Arcturus :)
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: YellowStone on February 12, 2007, 04:20:03 PM: Arcturus wrote:

….this is a very important point. In fact one that is challenging me in multiple ways. Only God knows our break points. Who among us can say we are like Job….faithful to the point of death and destruction of our earthly realm? Job's

This a very good question Arcturus, for who can truly know just how far they would go when death is staring one in the face.

Last night on Extreme House Make-Over, there was a guy who had went down to help save to policemen during 911. This guy, knew that he might not come out alive, but he stayed with these two trapped men until they were rescued. He said, knowing that he a lovely wife and young family that he could not walk away, and he stayed, comforting them and offering words of encouragement until help arrived.

That God was watching over this man and the two others is undeniable; however, I do not know if he was a believer in God or not. Even so, this man put his life on the line in a very impressive way and I would like to think, given the chance, that I would do the same. But as you say Arcturus, only God knows. :)

Great post!

Love,
Darren
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: Deborah-Leigh on February 12, 2007, 04:41:52 PM: Over twenty years ago during a time when there were no laws against owning whatever number of fire arms you desired, two men on the streets of Johannesburg South Africa, went into a major disagreement. The one pulled out his gun and pointed it point blank at the other. My husband saw this outburst and so he stepped in to stand infront of the unarmed man. Both men were complete strangers to him and he got shot through the chest.

He died because the doctor could not get to him in time to save him from drowning in his own blood that filled up his lungs. I was furious! How dare he!.....for a stranger!.....The strangers never came to give their appologies for their behaviour that cost the life of my husband. That does not matter. What matters is Now I know God caused my husband to step in front of a gun at point blank range. His mind may also have been in point blank range when he did it too! ;D I was furious and God was there! ..... I am in peace now remarried and happy like Job. .... ;D....Getting into Bible Truths has been like a road to Damascus. I was booted out of Christandoms Mystery Babylon and I feel like I too have a new name. I was that and now I am this!...freer and getting better all the time....and still being dragged into the recogniton and the experience that I can and it is proper always and everywhere to trust Jesus Christ with my life!.....Am I there yet....of course not! and I thank God that HE is still dragging me!

peace to you

Arcturus :)
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: SandyFla on February 12, 2007, 05:06:50 PM: Quote from: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 12, 2007, 03:47:23 PM
Without looking at the crucifixion, I would really get sad. But then looking at it, I see people who were obeying orders and those that were actively involved, and I see beauty in it. ...

While reading this thread, and especially your comment above, Anne, I had these thoughts:

I used to hate the Roman soldiers for brutally killing an innocent man. But now I see them more like the Old Testament priests who killed animals in order to offer sacrifices to atone for sins of the people. Of course, Jesus is much more than an animal. When the soldiers nailed Jesus to the cross, they were participating in God's great plan of salvation by killing the Lamb who was the ultimate sacrifice for the sins of all people for all time. In essence, they were the final "priests" to offer

So then I wonder why Jesus asked His Father to forgive them, when they were doing what God had planned.

Sandy
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: hillsbororiver on February 12, 2007, 05:40:39 PM: Quote from: SandyFla on February 12, 2007, 05:06:50 PM

So then I wonder why Jesus asked His Father to forgive them, when they were doing what God had planned.

Sandy

Probably because they enjoyed it, their hearts were likely very much into their work. I also believe He was speaking of forgiving the people cheering and jeering His humiliation and suffering more than the soldiers who knew next to nothing about Him and His ministry.

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 12, 2007, 06:12:23 PM: Sandy,

Perhaps because Jesus knows that All fall short of the glory of God. The more that I think upon Him asking for his Father to forgive them, I know that my name was in his heart as well. That is quite humbling. Joe, do you think it was universal when he uttered those words? I would like to see what you think on that.

Also, becuase they did not know what they were doing and what an impact it would have on the rest of history.

Sincerely,

Anne C. McGuire
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: hillsbororiver on February 12, 2007, 06:39:04 PM: Quote from: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 12, 2007, 06:12:23 PM

Joe, do you think it was universal when he uttered those words?

Anne,

Great insight in that question, absolutely it was universal, He died for and forgave every one of us, we all have been guilty of forsaking Him, no one is guiltless without His Blood.

Earlier in this thread I shared my belief that the crucifixion event is a microcosm of the entire (relevent) history of mankind and it's redemption by Christ our Lord.

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God;

Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: hillsbororiver on February 12, 2007, 06:40:09 PM: Quote from: longhorn on February 12, 2007, 03:04:22 PM
Great post Joe.

Longhorn.

Thank you Longhorn.

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: sansmile on February 12, 2007, 10:25:25 PM: When Christ spoke to Peter and said:

(Mat 16:23) But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Peter at that time didn't know satan was being allowed to work in him. And in a way i suppose, thats exactly what was happening to those roman soldiers and only Jesus could see that. Hate the sin not the sinner.

GB sandie
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: gmik on February 12, 2007, 10:54:21 PM: Arcturus, what a sad but uplifting story. The Agape love would see those 2 men in Glory (after judgement) "fellowshipping" with your late husband. Had I known about this happening to you a year ago, I would have hated the 2 men.

Listening to Ray define phileo and agape has taken scales off my eyes. I can't stop thinking about it. God agapes the world, but He phileo's us. How humbling! We don't have to phileo the evil ones in this life, but to Agape them-want them to be purified in the Divine Fire. How liberating!
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: Redbird on February 12, 2007, 11:09:36 PM: Amen, Arcturus and Gena, amen....

Love, Lisa
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: hebrewroots98 on February 12, 2007, 11:50:18 PM: What a GREAT thread you guys!!! Joe, you show deep insight! :D

Anne, you are showing wonderful growth. I enjoy seeing these Spiritual versus Phycial realities coming alive in your life, and that you are fully embracing them... and I love to see that in you!!! :D Terry has copied off some of the BT topics for you. There are several to go for sure before the complete set is ready.

Arcturus; what a testimony!! God has brought you so far too and has blessed you with grace overflowing!! Thank God for HIS continual dragging! :D

Gena, the scales have been lifted from my eyes as well!! ;D
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 13, 2007, 12:26:29 AM: Susan,

I am glad that you can see the progress in my life, sometimes I do not feel differently, but I am coming into the truth now, and feel so released and free.

I thank God everyday for all you my brothers and sisters here on the forum.

Sincerely,

Anne C. McGuire
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: hebrewroots98 on February 13, 2007, 12:35:47 AM: Anne, Oh yeah, I see your release!!! (...and the rtruth will set you free...)(peace that passes all understanding...)...

(Will 12:.30 work for piano lessons? Remind me to take you to the Chiro tomorrow after piano lessons.)
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: Deborah-Leigh on February 13, 2007, 12:38:23 AM: Thank you Gena, Lisa, Sue and Anne

It is so amazing how our Lord is working through us. I have not thought about this aspect of my life for years and certainly not in the way I posted. My husband got between two men. I have no idea what he was thinking at the time all I know is that it was His time. Did he think that if he took that step between those two strangers that he would die? I doubt it. I might be wrong but this much I do know... Jesus KNEW that He was about to be Crucified. It was Jesus who drank the cup and shed blood in the anguish of Gethsemane. My husband did not shed blood in anxiety of the death he was about to face.Even people on death row who are to be executed do not step into that sinless guiltless part that Jesus suffered in the Garden ahead of His execution. No one is like Jesus. Jesus is like Jesus and His Spirit is forming us into His image and His likeness not when we mindlessly do an act of heroism in the eyes of the world, but when the fruit of His Spirit of love, joy, peace, kindness, goodness, patience, gentleness, faithfulness and long suffering shows through. Ehp 5 :9 HIS was, is and ever will be the Spirit of Love towards (Agape) all of us as he cried to the Father and turned to God the Father in His darkest hour in the garden And His Father responded because His was the joy that He won Heb 12 :2 ...Jesus...who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame....His is the Peace he gave to us John 14 : 27 Peace I leave with you, My Peace I give you, It is His kindness Titus 3 : 3,4,5 ..For we ourselves were hateful and hating one another.4. But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done.... and it is our leaning on the goodness of Him through which we can show our love (Agape) for each other Col 1 :4 For we have heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, the leaning of your entire human personality on Him in absolute trust and confidence in His power, wisdom, and goodness and Rev 14 : 12 Here comes in a call for the steadfastness of the saints, the patience, the endurance of the people of God, those who habitually keep God's commandments and their faith in Jesus and His Spirit 1 Cor 13 : 4 Love endures long and is patient and kind…

Little wonder He said, without Me you can do nothing! and when we do anything that is true, honest, just, pure, loveley or of good report we should all see which Spirit that comes from. It is Him and He comes again to complete in us what He has begun! Heb 9 : 28 Even so it is that Christ, having been offered to take upon Himself and bear as a burden the sins of many once and once for all, will appear a second time, not to carry any burden of sin nor to deal with sin, but to bring to ful salvation those who are eagerly, constantly, and patiently waiting for and expecting Him.

Peace to you

Arcturus :)
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: hebrewroots98 on February 13, 2007, 12:50:55 AM: indeed Arcturus! The sisterhood is back in my life, thanks to all of you ladies on this forum. I find great pleasure in this fellowshipping with you all, as it is my PASSION IN LIFE to know the truths and to live them out in faith and through the fruits of the spirit, as I know you all want the same.

Arcturus, what version of the bible do you use? I like the simplicity of it.
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: Deborah-Leigh on February 13, 2007, 01:09:43 AM: Sue

I use the amplified version often and I have to confess though....when I see that word eternal...I edit it out! :D

I do not always use the same translations. From the King James....I also edit thy and thou into contemporary english .... :D

I have the Message Bible and that too is great for modern day terms. Word on the Street is another version I enjoy!

Peace to you

Arcturus :)
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: hebrewroots98 on February 13, 2007, 01:49:30 AM: I'll check into those versions, as I have just nearly everything except the Amplified. I've never heard of WORD ON THE STREET either, sounds interesting. Thank you!!!!
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: DWIGHT on February 13, 2007, 01:55:05 AM: To my wonderful brothers and sisters,

I just came home from a very long and tough day at work. This morning I had a real burden to pray for all of you, so I went through the list as best as I could, naming you and praying for you one by one. I almost went to bed when I came home because I was just worn to a frazzle. But then I thought I would just have a quick look at the forum and see what was going on. I have read this whole thread and it has completely uplifted my whole body, soul and spirit.

I am watching you all grow in the Lord before my very eyes (which are full of tears at this moment). My love for you all is so deep right now that I'm not able to utter it. You are all my family; remember when they said to the Lord that your mother and your brothers want to see you and Jesus said, who is my mother and who is my brother but he that does the will of my Father. I see all of you wanting to do the will of the Father and I want to do the will of the Father so you are my mother and my brothers and my sisters; you are my real family.

The moment I heard Ray talk about the true meanings of love, I knew that God had unveiled to us a marvelous truth that would unlock and free so many of us that have been held captive by the lies of the enemy for centuries. This is the love that our Lord Jesus has for us; this is special, this is from His own heart. I've prayed that the Father would help us love Jesus the way that He loves Jesus and that Jesus would help us love the Father the way that He loves the Father and now I really believe that God is answering this prayer through this knowledge of His love.

"21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
23 And he turned him unto his disciples, and said privately, Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see:
24 For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them." Luke 10:21-24.

Blessed our eyes and blessed are our ears!

Your brother,

Dwight
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: Deborah-Leigh on February 13, 2007, 02:01:03 AM: Lump in my throat and tears in my eyes too after reading and seeing Jesus through your post too Dwight.

thank you

Peace to you brother

Arcturus :)
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 13, 2007, 02:10:49 AM: Dwight,

Ohhhh how nice. I am so glad that you found the boost after a hard day. I love this forum as well. Dang it Dwight, you made me cry. And that seldom happens. It is a great honor and pleasure to grow in the Truth with you and the rest of the forum.

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Anne C. McGuire
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: hebrewroots98 on February 13, 2007, 02:14:13 AM: Aw Dwight, that was very encouraging and very touching. You made me smile as I sit here in the lliving room alone while my guys are fast asleep. You said this very elequently! Thank you for letting us know how you feel for us. I say ditto to the fact that WE ARE FAMILY HERE!!! I was just thinking of that very scripture today while posting and it truly warms my heart everytime...this is the stuff that I live for :D. This is a peice of heaven on Earth for sure. That is so neat to know that GOD thinks so much of us that HE reveals these age old pearls of truth to us and that HE witholds them from the Leaders of the world and from the masses!!! I am glad that we were able to help you to smile as well! ;D ;D

WE PHILEO YOU TOO
WE AGAPE' YOU TOO
WE STORGE' YOU TOO (FAMILY LOVE) :D
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: PKnowler on February 13, 2007, 12:51:21 PM: I enjoyed your post too Dwight. Thank you for sharing with us the depths of your heart. You are such an encourager.
And I am edified by your writing! I always look forward to what you have to say.

We are blessed that God has chosen to reveal His truths to us. Thanks for reminding us. That is a beautiful scripture you quoted.
I love this : Luke 10:24 For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

Wow! We are blessed!

Blessings, Paula :)
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: iris on February 13, 2007, 01:25:53 PM: Quote from: Dwight on February 13, 2007, 01:55:05 AM
To my wonderful brothers and sisters,

I just came home from a very long and tough day at work. This morning I had a real burden to pray for all of you, so I went through the list as best as I could, naming you and praying for you one by one. I almost went to bed when I came home because I was just worn to a frazzle. But then I thought I would just have a quick look at the forum and see what was going on. I have read this whole thread and it has completely uplifted my whole body, soul and spirit.

I am watching you all grow in the Lord before my very eyes (which are full of tears at this moment). My love for you all is so deep right now that I'm not able to utter it. You are all my family; remember when they said to the Lord that your mother and your brothers want to see you and Jesus said, who is my mother and who is my brother but he that does the will of my Father. I see all of you wanting to do the will of the Father and I want to do the will of the Father so you are my mother and my brothers and my sisters; you are my real family.

The moment I heard Ray talk about the true meanings of love, I knew that God had unveiled to us a marvelous truth that would unlock and free so many of us that have been held captive by the lies of the enemy for centuries. This is the love that our Lord Jesus has for us; this is special, this is from His own heart. I've prayed that the Father would help us love Jesus the way that He loves Jesus and that Jesus would help us love the Father the way that He loves the Father and now I really believe that God is answering this prayer through this knowledge of His love.

"21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
23 And he turned him unto his disciples, and said privately, Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see:
24 For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them." Luke 10:21-24.

Blessed our eyes and blessed are our ears!

Your brother,

Dwight

Thank you Dwight for this wonderful post. It tugged at my heart as I read it; it was so encouraging.
Thank you for sharing from the depths of your heart.

Peace and Love,
Iris
Title: Re: Crucifying Christ
Post by: gmik on February 13, 2007, 03:22:51 PM: I think Dwight is pretty brave to jump in amongst all the women yakking.

(said trying to force the tears back in and not get sappy!)

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