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I am having a hard time with this all I can do is be quiet, Are we supposed to witness?
I know most don't recieve witnessing very well.
I didn't, it took God to show me and he is still clleaning house with me.
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Jackie, you ask a very interesting question: Should we Witness?
I have no answer other than what I do and that is to pray for the wisdom to know that to say and the courage to say it when given the opportunity.
It is certainly way more effective to witness to an attentive person than someone whose eyes and ears are still welded shut. :)
I hope this helps a little. :)
Love in Christ,
Darren
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Jackie Lee,
I think Darren is right. When given the opportunity, we should be ready. "1 Peter 3:15 - But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
Christianity shoves witnessing down your throat and then makes you feel guilty if you don't do it. Our church had a witness day, a passing out tracts day, a singing hymns on the street corner day...etc., for what? Nobody wanted to do it and everyone was made to feel guilty if they didn't and those that did it would gloat in it....talk about hypocrisy!!!
This is Babylon at its worst. Thank God that we came out her!!
In Him,
Dwight
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Jackie Lee,
There is a paper that Ray Smith wrote about this. It is called Winning Souls for Christ or something like that. Here's the link for this.
http://bible-truths.com/souls.htm
Enjoy. Let us know what you think about the paper, if you have not read it before.
Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
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Hi Jackie Lee,
I feel like my primary desire is to give an answer.
1Peter 3:15 but sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and be ready always to give an answer to everyone who aks you a reason of the hope in you, with meekness and fear;
v. 16 having a good conscience, that while they speak against you as evildoers they may be shamed, those falsely accusing your good behavior in Christ.
But I also feel like the way we live and the words we say speaks volumes about us. It is by our behavior we are known, just as the works of Jesus bear witness of Him.
Of course all our good works are by Christ in us, I might add :)
John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you and you did not believe. The works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me.
1Peter 2:12 having your conduct honest among the nations, in that which they speak against you as evildoers, they may glorify God in a day of His visitation, seeing your good works.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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Thanks everyone, also Kat I also believe our actions speak the loudest I do on ocassion witness.
I really believe we are on the same page here. :)
Anne I am reading the paper you provided of Ray's I find it interesting I need to read it again.
One thing I did seem to pick up from it is we can't save anyone it is God pulling us.
PS I did want to add I think sometimes it is hard to dig through the trash we have been taught or believed over the years seems like this is true for most if not all of us.
Although that is where my search started so it had good too.
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Hi Jackie Lee,
You received a lot of good advice here, Ray's paper should definitely help tremendously.
Yes, losing the babylonian influences and indoctrinations take time and prayer. That is why He breaks us down to nakedness so He can clothe us in His White Linen of truth and righteousness.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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I have found that there are divine appointments.
I was on a plane just the other day and out of all the people to sit next to, there was a woman who was a believer who was seeking. A believer who had doubts and questions regarding her faith and church. I didn't know that when she sat next to me. God talked to me when she sat down and said open up to her and speak the deeper truths I have taught you. And somehow we got into a discussion.She initiated the talk. I ended up sharing UR with her and many other truths concerning Christendom etc. It was a very deep conversation. But I did ask her at first was she interested in hearing. She said yes and opened up about her reservations concerning the church today and it's teachings. So I opened up. And for 2 hours it was non stop dialogue. Her eyes were wide open and she was just eating up every word that was coming out of my mouth. At the end she said that there was a plenty for her to digest and thanked me. A few of the guys I was traveling with checked her out and asked me what did I say to her. They sat across and noticed how intensely interested and in awe she looked. Like she was seeing a ghost. I was so blessed because all I am is a vessel. I was a messenger and am thrilled that God used me. He brought a woman to me and she was open.
I share this as an example that God will bring people to us. We must be ready. She was ready for the truth. She in her heart knew that what she was being taught from the pulpit and in church was suspect. And I told her her doubts and reservations were a good thing. Because what is being taught today by christendom is false. We must remember Jesus was crucified by the church of His day. By the religious people who thought they were doing service to God. And she was ripe for me sharing that the doctrine of hell was a false doctrine.
I did a lot of asking questions. Because truth is to be discovered and not me lecturing her. For example I would ask do you believe God is love? Is it a loving act to send billions of people to hell for eternal torture and punishment ? Don't you think that Jesus is a failure if satan has won billions in hell and God has a few in heaven if Jesus came to save the lost ? We discussed many things .
So what I do is pray and don't worry about the witnessing thing. God is the only one that can open the eyes and ears. He has brought people to me. Hope this helps.
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Nice post mrsnacks, we have to be ready God will show us when.
Thanks everyone! :)
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I believe we're living witnesses. You don't necessarily have to speak a word from THE WORD. Colossians 4:6 - Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man. Our best witness and the best witness to be known by is your conversation. Read what the Bible has to say about the witnesses and the witnessing conversation. You may not have to say anything about the Bible and you will be known by the true witness and/or your conversation.
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Finding someone who will actually believe the truth is a major event and ALL praise goes to GOD. MOST HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED THROUGH years of "if you dont be good the boogey man will get you" as a child. i know i was. and then as an adult........"repent now and be saved or spend eternity in HELL" how could so many educated people be so wrong!!!!!!! I really do see now that the way to destruction is broad and the gate is wide and except by Gods grace, i would still be believing the same way. why has HE chosen me? to open my eyes? for what purpose will this serve? I wonder about these things and sometimes I dont even know what or how to pray.......but I do know it was meant to be this way and I do find that strangely comforting.........rick
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I dont even know what or how to pray.......
Romans 8:26 - Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
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Hello Rick
You wrote : I wonder about these things and sometimes I dont even know what or how to pray
I have been walking in this "wondering" territory too! What has helped me is the influence of Ray's teaching on Praying by God's Rules. This teaching has been a must to grasp, comprehend with new clarity and perspective my own territory of the soul that came upon this experience of nebulous wanderings and not knowing. I have read it three times and still need to contemplate and integrate its message. It is profoundly insightful and is still bringing changes to my erroneous thinking and liberty to my understanding.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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Hello Rick
You wrote : I wonder about these things and sometimes I dont even know what or how to pray
I have been walking in this "wondering" territory too! What has helped me is the influence of Ray's teaching on Praying by God's Rules. This teaching has been a must to grasp, comprehend with new clarity and perspective my own territory of the soul that came upon this experience of nebulous wanderings and not knowing. I have read it three times and still need to contemplate and integrate its message. It is profoundly insightful and is still bringing changes to my erroneous thinking and liberty to my understanding.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
thanks for the advice. I have read the article many times and find it very influencing. but ,you know, I still have those days when I am awed out of my mind by the awesomeness( if that is a word)of it all............God bless and keep you. Rick
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i know exactly what you mean Rick....and perhaps that is where we are being called to....out of our mind ;D :D
and to you too God bless! :)
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Mrsnacks,
That does sound like a divine appointment and praise God you were ready to give an answer for the hope that lies within you.
How exciting! That is true witnessing! It is God who works in a person and creates the desire for them to seek for truth. We can't make someone want to hear God's Truth. That's great that you had the opportunity to participate in God's work!
May God bless us all to be able to share with others truly seeking; may He also grant us opportunity to be coworkers with Him in helping to free them from the bonds and deception of Babylon. AMEN!
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I've been thinking about "witnessing" as well....
I am in the "process" of being changed....but you can't HELP but want to share this GOOD NEWS as soon as you begin to "GET IT!" :)
I took a new notebook last night, as a matter of fact, and began to list the things that might help me actually keep key scriptures on hand with me where ever I go...
I know that in certain situations: like if you're being dragged in front of a king's courtroom...
you don't prepare for situations like that...because the Holy Spirit will give you the words in that very hour...(*or is that a parable that I haven't understood yet?)
but in every day life....I want to be able to help those that God puts in my pathway...
and be ready to "give an answer" as in I PT 3:15-17 Its interesting to see where that passage leads to: Christ suffering and our sharing in that suffering because the very ones that we witness to often hate us (*not exactly the same situation that you had on the plane, mr snacks).
I came across a "flip chart" in a book store many years ago...that was used to keep Babylon's "KEY VERSES" in a nice color coded organized water proof file....I LOVED it! Sometimes, I think of reproducing it just using the "Genuine" Good News in it! :)
Mr Snacks....did you have notes with you on the plane? or was all that from memory? Just curious! Joyce :)
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Hi Joyce:
I didn't have any notes. I am in prayer mode. And then I just pray as I am having a conversation with someone or others. I rely on the Lord. And He draws from what He has taught me and shown me. But the most important thing is not what you say. It is what you don't say. I have learned to not rely on the flesh or my intellect. You see in the past I was spouting off arguments. Being very logical and drawing from the many books I have read. That was a comfort zone. Then the Lord showed me that it was easy to become prideful. So many apologists as I was - depended on the flesh. And when one is witnessing from trusting God instead of trusting your thinking then you will see God's power in motion. It is not about us. Then you you rest in Him. And when I am in prayer mode and trusting the Lord and listening to Him-- He instructs you along the way. He talks to you . But one must be quiet. So the focus is on the Lord. And then you start to focus on the person and listening to what they are saying and you will begin to see their heart. The Lord gives you these eyes. And then you will treat the person differently. I hope you can understand what I am saying. Jesus talked to the heart of the person. We are to do the same. And when you see the heart of the person - you talk to them differently.
I recall an aquaintance saying to me " we should hang out together. " I said why ? He said so we can just hang and talk . I then said I wouldn't mind doing that but if we are going to talk - let us talk about deeper things. Not this surface stuff . Now keep in mind . When I did hang out in the past - the conversations were always surface. I gave him a word picture. I said hanging out with you is like spending time in the baby pool. I don't mind the water but I like spending time in the deeper end if you don't mind. So from now on - if it is going to be surface conversation- I have got better things to do then talk sports or movies and trivia. No offense but that is not where I am at. He looked at me in a strange way and said okay - let's talk about some deeper things. And then we got together and spent an hour or so on talking in the deep waters . I opened up with taking interest in his life. I wanted to know if he was happy. I asked quite a few questions. He then opened up and became transparent. I did this because I prayed about it and God directed me. When you trust in HIm in these areas -- He gives you insights. Things come out of your mouth that would surprise you. Hope this helps.
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Mr Snacks--
Thanks so much for your reply. On a few rare occasions, I've felt that God gave me a WORD in due season to give to another person....and the same type thing was going on with me that you described...I was "holding God's hand" in the Spirit...while speaking in the physical realm to a person...and I knew that the information was not coming from my intellect....it was a wonderful feeling to be included in that interaction between God and the other person.
So....being ready to give an answer....is all in the preparation time spent in the WORD?
Do you NEVER use any articles or verses or notes? Just curious.
Joyce :)
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Mr Snacks--
Thanks so much for your reply. On a few rare occasions, I've felt that God gave me a WORD in due season to give to another person....and the same type thing was going on with me that you described...I was "holding God's hand" in the Spirit...while speaking in the physical realm to a person...and I knew that the information was not coming from my intellect....it was a wonderful feeling to be included in that interaction between God and the other person.
So....being ready to give an answer....is all in the preparation time spent in the WORD?
Do you NEVER use any articles or verses or notes? Just curious.
Joyce :)
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You're welcome. All God told me was to open up. He was saying that it was okay to speak deeper truths to this lady. He didn't give me word for word but gave me the green light. So the Holy Spirit within me is flowing like a river so I just tuned in to the flow. Not being anxious but just ( I call it being in the zone) listening.
I am just myself. No notes or verses at hand. The preparation is just having this ongoing conversation with the Lord throughout the day.And I just communicate basically the same way He does with me. The Lord teaches me by asking questions. He doesn't lecture me.
He uses few words. He is to the point. He is kind and gentle. Very loving and patient.
For example I remember standing in line at a grocery store and started to get very impatient with a lady in front of me. She didn't have her card ready to pay. She kept typing in the wrong code and just taking a long time. Then the Lord said to me " why are you so
upset ? " I then responded and told Him why. Then He said " Can you make better use of your time rather than complain - why not look at it as a time to be grateful or thankful ? " I then started to praise Him and pray. And then when that happens to me when I am in line - I just immediately start praising God and talking to Him. So the Lord transformed me in that way . It started with a question. He didn't order me and tell me what to do. And He talks in a gentle way. A still small voice. I then realize that there are times that I have taken longer than I should have in line in the past.
So I do the same with others. Jesus rubs off on me. THis is relationship. As you have these conversations with the Lord , you start to talk like the Teacher. THis is something that has happened to me in the past year or so. Before that I was in a different place. I was taught that God speaks to us only in His Word the Bible. That to me isn't a relationship. That is knowing about God. Not knowing Him intimately. So I did pray and ask Him to communicate to me. He finally talked to me but only when I was silent in my prayers. I used to just talk my head off when I prayed for years. How could I hear from Him when I am always doing the talking ? So I would just say nothing and wait. My prayers had many pauses in them. A lot of silence. And then I felt in my spirit His voice. Not audible but an impression. He would give me visions. God is not in a box. For so long I put Him in the box.
He speaks to me within. And it isn't because of me. He will do this to anyone if they just take the time to seek Him and be quiet and still.
As you grow in Him - you will recognize His voice. For I hear my own within at times. And of course the adversary's voice. For example in line the voice that says " Wow that lady is sure taking a long time isn't she? " That is not God speaking. That is a voice trying to start some trouble. Hope this helps.
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Hi mrsnacks,
That was an excellent post, I have also found Him speaking to me in a like manner. Many times my old man or beast within pops his head up with a shout and then the soft gentle voice will ask a question reversing the thought process I was beginning to veer off into.
Thanks for the testimony,
Joe
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Your welcome.
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This is a great topic and one I have been wondering about. I read Ray's paper..saving souls for Jesus...and it answered the question for me...can anyone save souls for Jesus...however these following scriptures still have me puzzled...there may be even more scriptures but these were the only ones I could find/think of. I have to say that when I read Ray's material and then read the same info in the scriptures it makes perfect sense to me and I just feel as if God is flooding me with wonderful spiritual food. However, when I go and read the scriptures on my own I feel like many times I just see carnal words and I get very discouraged.
Anyway..I would love to hear some feedback on the following verses. I just thank God for this board and using Ray to unplug my ears and open my eyes. I haven't posted much as I am still taking in so much. But it is such a comfort to know the site is here as I am sure it is with most of you, my husband and I have no one in our lives that is able to see the truths of the scriptures...my boss thinks I have an evil spirit in me..and all I told her about was that I did not believe in hell anymore...and...that if it was God's will for me I may be in the Lake of Fire one day and that I was ok with that if that is what my God felt I needed...you should have seen the look of horror on her face :o...I actually felt bad as she said she then spent many sleepless nights praying for me. Sorry to ramble. Lori :)
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matt 24:14
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mark 16:15
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. Rev 14:6
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Lori, I would like some more info on those verses too.
We believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, who came to save the world from sin. We have accepted him as our personal saviour, and even said the 5-second prayer....So
Why do "christians" think we are so evil to not believe in hell??? I have seen that same look of horror from people. Well, buddy, you will be there whether you believe it or not!
Why do they think that?? Do they think there is a scripture somewhere that says you have to believe in Hell, in order to go to Heaven???
Oh well, just venting.
Lori, thanks for the PM, it was no problem, glad I could help a little bit!!
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Hi Lori,
When you are reading the scripture, one thing is notice who Christ is directly talking to.
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matt 24:14
In Matt. 24 you can see Jesus was talking only to His disciples.
Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out and departed from the temple. And His disciples came to Him to show Him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said to them..."
Christ is speaking to the disciples, so I would think this does apply to them, if not in their lifetime then in the resurrection.
It is my understanding that when the scripture are speaking to the believers, it has a certain message. And when it speaks to the world or when Jesus spoke to the multitudes there is another message or a parable. The message here is to the believing disciples, who were the elect at that time. Jesus' message to them was to preach to the world, as they did for the rest of their lives and will do in the kingdom.
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mark 16:15
Same for this verse, He is speaking only to the disciples.
Mar 16:14 "Afterward He appeared to the Eleven as they reclined..."
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. Rev 14:6
This verse in Rev. seems to clearly be referring to after the resurrection, as the verses before it shows the resurrected saints with Christ. And at this time Christ and the elect with Him, will bring the Truth to all the people on the earth.
Rev 14:1 And I looked, and lo, the Lamb stood on Mount Zion. And with Him were a hundred and forty-four thousands, having His Father's name written in their foreheads.
v. 2 And I heard a voice from Heaven, like the voice of many waters and like the voice of a great thunder. And I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps.
v. 3 And they sang as it were a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. And no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousands who were redeemed from the earth.
v. 4 These are those who were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are those who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, as a firstfruit to God and to the Lamb.
v. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile, for they were without blemish before the throne of God.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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Hi Lori,
When you are reading the scripture, one thing is notice who Christ is directly talking to.
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matt 24:14
In Matt. 24 you can see Jesus was talking only to His disciples.
Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out and departed from the temple. And His disciples came to Him to show Him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said to them..."
Christ is speaking to the disciples, so I would think this does apply to them, if not in their lifetime then in the resurrection.
It is my understanding that when the scripture are speaking to the believers, it has a certain message. And when it speaks to the world or when Jesus spoke to the multitudes there is another message or a parable. The message here is to the believing disciples, who were the elect at that time. Jesus' message to them was to preach to the world, as they did for the rest of their lives and will do in the kingdom.
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mark 16:15
Same for this verse, He is speaking only to the disciples.
Mar 16:14 "Afterward He appeared to the Eleven as they reclined..."
So then would these verses apply to the chosen today or only to the diciples? And how do we know if it is for only the diciples or it includes the chosen? Thanks for your imput...I really appreciate it.
Lori :)
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Hi Lori,
Yes I believe that when Christ spoke to His disciples the things He said to them apply to all of the chosen elect down through the generations. The same for Paul and all the Apostles as well, when they spoke to the believers it applies to all the chosen too.
Here is Christ's pray to the Father for His disciples, but He says not for these alone.
John 17: 20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;
v. 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
When we see that certain scripture apply only to the chosen elect, it puts a different perspective on things.
I hope this helps :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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Thanks Kat...I still have a question though..when I read Ray's paper it seems as if we are not mandated to witness to people but when I read these verses that are directed at the diciples/elect it seems we are to preach the gospel. Is there a difference. I personally feel like a bumbling idiot when I try to tell worldly people about God and when I talk to the called about God's truths they always bring up some scripture that I do not know how to defend in my little mind or I can not remember the scripture or the whole argument for or against something. I am sorry to be so daft, it is just that my mind is having a hard time grasping the spiritual truths here.
and Gena...
We believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, who came to save the world from sin. We have accepted him as our personal saviour, and even said the 5-second prayer....So
Why do "christians" think we are so evil to not believe in hell??? I have seen that same look of horror from people. Well, buddy, you will be there whether you believe it or not!
Why do they think that?? Do they think there is a scripture somewhere that says you have to believe in Hell, in order to go to Heaven???
I have a couple girls at work who are "born again' and they seem to think that I think you can believe anything and go to heaven. I think they can't get past the lie that you have to believe in Jesus BEFORE you die to be saved. My husband and I have flat out asked every called person we have shared these truths with where in the scriptures it says you need to accept Jesus BEFORE you die and every time there is no answer or they say it does not say that anywhere ???....Okay people do we see some problem with this...Hello.....
Sorry now I am venting. ;D
Thanks
Lori :)
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Hi Lori, :)
You wrote the following:
I have a couple girls at work who are "born again' and they seem to think that I think you can believe anything and go to heaven. I think they can't get past the lie that you have to believe in Jesus BEFORE you die to be saved. My husband and I have flat out asked every called person we have shared these truths with where in the scriptures it says you need to accept Jesus BEFORE you die and every time there is no answer or they say it does not say that anywhere ....Okay people do we see some problem with this...Hello.....
I think the belief that one has to accept Christ before one dies stems from several misquoted Scriptures; one of which follow. :)
Jhn 6:40 For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.” [NIV]
Many (some might say logically) assume that one cannot look to the Son after death, because by that time, you are either in Heaven or Hell. :D
Just goes to show the ignorance of the many "called" they believe 100%, but know not what it is they believe. Amazing! ::)
Love in Christ,
Darren
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Hi Lori,
when I read these verses that are directed at the diciples/elect it seems we are to preach the gospel.
I think that you may be referring to this scripture.
Mar 16:15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature."
I think that this does apply to the elect, but some are called to be teachers not all.
1Co 12:4 There are different kinds of spiritual gifts, but the same Spirit gives them.
v. 10 The Spirit gives one person the power to work miracles; to another, the gift of speaking God's message; and to yet another, the ability to tell the difference between gifts that come from the Spirit and those that do not. To one person he gives the ability to speak in strange tongues, and to another he gives the ability to explain what is said. (GNB)
We are always to be ready to give an answer though. But I believe even here God will send those He so desires to you and will prepare you to know what to answer.
1Pe 3:15 but sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and be ready always to give an answer to everyone who asks you a reason of the hope in you, with meekness and fear;
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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Kat,
I totally 100% agree with you in regard to the here and now, when the Lord drags someone past you (us) and they are asking a question we need to be ready with an answer.
In addition to that there will come a time when the elect will be ministering to the rest of the world, He has prepared is preparing and will prepare His peculiar people for this glorious mission, to gather ALL to Him (in the next age).
There are so many scriptures with this depth of texture, Truth on more than one level.
His Peace to you Sister,
Joe
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Today I visited my daughter that lives about 30 miles from me.
I told her about things that was going on in my life such as God refining me and purifying me such as patience when to be quiet and when to speak.
The things I believe God to be showing me.
I really believe she noticed the difference in my personality and actions, I hadn't saw her for 2 months.
I did realize once again God is showing me things I need to know.
We also spoke of things we go through is for our good.
I am learning ever so slowly. :)
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Thank you Kat and Joe...
The three things that really stuck are...
1. Who is Jesus talking to.
2. The scriptures speak with truths that have many levels (milk to meat)...and
3. The Spirit equips us with different gifts.
Thank you both so much. Great topic JackieLee.
Lori :)
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Hi all again lol!
I beleave U will no wen to Witness to others, I beleave GOD brings people to U, Well in my xsperience this has Happened anyway, az u say Jackie most people just dont wanna hear it & the last thing U wanna do is scare them from GOD aye, so this is why I say U can Feel it in U wen its the right time to bring our LOVING! GOD up. With me I have a car Tinting workshop & really beleave it is GOD sent bcoz!!, Ive had so many people cum c me But! not to get their cars Tinted but just to talk, GOD sent, so I just let them talk sum ranging frm 2 - 7+ hours talking, I let them speak then I say what GOD!! has did for mE & my family, then sumtimes I never c them again but sum I do, I just no @least I feel Ive sow'n the seed.
muchLOVE!!! Pera
PS. Just a little input & to let whoeva does read this, I was in a Gang for 23yrs b4 GOD! tapped me on the sholder in 2005 & I was the leader wen I left as well, I just had to say this bit to give understanding to whomeva may read it, GODBLESS! & be with U alwayZ!!
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aw! Hi again um! this is to Jackie Lee
sorry for just calling U Jackie, my apologezZ!!!, I have a 4yr old daughter named Jacqui-Anna
muchLOVE!! Pera
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aw! Hi again um! this is to Jackie Lee
sorry for just calling U Jackie, my apologezZ!!!, I have a 4yr old daughter named Jacqui-Anna
muchLOVE!! Pera
Oh no need to apologize Jackie is fine or Jackie Lee I am not picky... ;D
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K! kewl! kewl! Jackie Lee :)
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Hello Pera, and welcome! i hadn't noticed you till just now; but thenagain, I haven't been on the forum for awhile b/c of keeping too busy with Homeschooling and all. Glad to have you. where are you from? I am out here in Texas! Have you been a member for long? I look forward to hearing more from you, you sound interesting. What brought you to the bible Truths' website? That is amazing of your coming to this place of truth compared to how you grew up! I hope that you will find all that you are seeking for here on the forum; these are the best people that God has made, and HE has given us so much truth right here at BT...have you read or heard the any of Rays info here? Blessings to ya!
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Hey Hi Susan,
well yep nice to meet U & look forward to being in more discussions with U & others here, Well I come from New Zealand born & breed, never ever been out of my country, Ive only been on this for about a month or so & Love it so much eh! Truelly!! But you no sumthing being in this frame of mind or whateva U may call it it has caused! much division! lol! But! Im standing strong because I believe Im strong minded & very Loyal to the TRUTH!, but Im really still @ a learning stage & Love the studing side of it, especially as I finished school when I was 13yrs old ( probably answers a few peoples questions about my way of typing & wording etc.. lol!). Well I really believe GOD! bort me to Rays site in which led me here because I just kept asking him Questions lol!, & he sent me here wotacrkup!. I came across his letter to Mr Hagee & the rest is History. And me being me found his teachings to be REAL! on things on how i saw things since walking with our Heavenly FATHER. I remember being @ my dads funeral in amongst all my relations whom all were in different types of churchs with different beliefs etc.., I spoke out becoz I new GOD was now with me & I said I know in my Heart GOD will guide me to the right church to really get the Right early understandings as I can easily see Why new believers just get up & GO!, like "Catch this up, Im outer here" lol!. And yes the Church Im at now, is Great, But now the more knowledge I get the easier it is getting for me to hear all the Rubbish that is spoken haha! Im a person who will Listen & then go check things out for myself. I was a Gang member of 23yrs pulled out in 2005 as the whole lifestyle that I was bort up in had totally gone, probably hard for U to understand but I was 16yrs old wen I was Patched up meaning I was now a fully fledged member believe it or not it was all about Unity, LOVE, Loyality no matter what, & now days that has just totally GONE! hence me pulling out, a long story that goes with it too lol! But to make a long story short my Heart was torn out & BanG!! 2yrs after Id pulled out, GOD!! tapps me on the sholder etc... um! my girlfriend of 16yrs is now my wife we were married January 31st 2007 & she LOVES! GOD as much as I do we have 3 children together, but I have 4 older children to another, They all see each other as bothers & sisters its so Great!. I look back on my life & See GODS Prints every where, I just so LOVE! it that I have been bort out of the Darkness into the LIGHT! Praise the LORD!!. my Wife & I both no we were ment to be, as she is 10yrs younger then me & we met when she was 15 & I was 25yrs old AMAZING!! I think GOD is so GOOD! becoz I no I put her thru so much crap I can Only Thank GOD! she is still here with me today, We are more in Love then we ever were, Praise the LORD alwayS!, Well Susan Im sorry for going on & on & on lol! will be looking forward to hearing more from U Susan & all the other GOD sent people in here in JESUS! Glorious!, Amazing!, Precious! name Amen! & Amen
muchLOVE!! Pera
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Pera, (nice name, I have never heard of that name before.)
That was a sweet story! I am glad that you found this site! I'm so glad for you that God allowed you and your new wife to be married and that life is a happy one IN HIS TRUTHS! (congratulations!!!) Wow, you are only half way aroundf the world from where I live ;) ;) ;) (isn't it wintertime there currently while it is summer here?) Maybe one day you can get out of your country and visit us for awhile and perhaps see Ray too! YOURS is a beautiful and green land from what I know.
Your are in the same boat as all of us here on this forum; we have all been shunned from family and friends and others for believing all of these Truths too! Just don't let it get to you, b/c IF WE ARE TO BE AS HE IS, THEN WE WILL SUFFER AS HE SUFFERED. YES, THE TRUTH IS SOMETHING THAT ALOT OF PEOPLE JUST 'THINK ' THAT THEY KNOW! But, God has to open everyones' eyes and ears, so just thank HIM for showing you all the truth. All of us were searching and questining just as you were and low and behold we never gave up searching with all of our hearts! Alot of have also lived a very hard life (not the easy life) and some of us have rarely been accepted for who we are, so I think that God has credited that to us by giving us His truths!
(I know of alot of people whom have not gotten a full education, and they are very inuitive and they are people who love people, so don't worry about that here on the forum.) What church are you still in? I have been out for a year now and have never been more content. God will give you peace and rest like you've never experienced in Him before. I don't know much about gang life, but I came from a family of guys whom have been terribly addicted to every substance imaginable! I'm glad that your gang life is over; obviously that was where God needed you to be inorder to bring you to this point in your life.
Well brother, take care and will talk with ya later, I've got a little one to get to bed.
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Paula,
You had posted (on 3/13) on this thread and I am just now getting around to responding to them and you had written:
"Oh Susan, don't post your picture if it is going to cause your computer to crash...I'm bad, I know...",
so I am just responding to that ;D
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You know I never really could witness without getting my tongue tied...until God through Ray and you all set my discernment straight...and now God provides all sorts of opportunities, from friends who want to know what's in the Bible and take what I say about God saving all mankind seriously, to folks I meet at the country store who it turns out also believe God saves all mankind and hell for eternity is nonsense, to strangers (which, being home most of the time, I don't meet very often) and even friends of relatives and relatives (not very many of those out here, but my brother in Connecticut knows that I don't lie about such serious things...my cousin though is a staunch Catholic, oh well), so I am blessed with plenty of opportunities to witness. I know, however, that one of these days a member of the church I came out of will confront me about why God called me out--for some strange reason that hasn't happened yet (as if no one in the church misses me...wierd...well, except the choir director anyway!), but i expect it will in God's due time.
Mr. Snacks I really liked that story...you have been blessed!
Deb aka snorky
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Hey Hi there Susan,
Thank U for ur kind words, its actually summer here, & yes we have a very Beautiful green country & did U know our National anthem is named 'GOD of Nations' lol! I Love it so much Now! as to before where I just didnt even care for it, Yep it is very hard & quite frustrating at times trying to exsplain the Truth to people whom are hardened to the ways in which they were taught, if Only they would just take sumtime to 'Check it out', eh? lol!. And yes it would be great to visit uZ! sumday & to meet Ray in Person one day as well, Im actually starting to think Im in a different Zone now lol! to the people Ive met since my walk started my walk with the LORD & His "TruthS!". I attend a church named "New Life Church", there are sum Orsum! people involved in it that I get on real well with & there are sum that just think its all about how long theyve been reading the Bible that make them Better or woteva! than mE! lol! wota Joke!, What really kept me at this church was that the majority of them never Judged & always made me feel welcome & still do. I see my gang life as a preparation type thing to really get me to where I am today, if I enjoyed typing then I wouldve filled U in more to the Fullest, Im like a 2 finger typist lol!, Actually I had this dude com ova Home last night Trying to tell me in a sutle way not to Listen to people like Ray! bla'bla'bla!, I just stopped him said Ive said from the start of my walk in the LORD I wont believe in everything I hear, I will take it in & study/ research/ faith, feelings etc before I cum to a conclusion to believe it or not, then the whole fellowship topic changed to what I think hahaha!. Well Susan great to no there are people in this World like youS! Praise! the LORD! AlwayS!! takecare!
muchLOVE! Pera
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Pera,
I praise God for people like you from New Zealand too! :D What an AWESOME BODY (OF BELIEVERS) THAT THE LORD HAD MADE US TO BE :D
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awW!! Thanks! Susan :) :-*
aw! hey! yes Susan I forgot to mention my name 'PERA' is a name of my nationality (culture) "Maori", in whicch I cant speak or understand lol!, As the main language is English in which I was raised speaking, Well I dont no if I should be saying main language its always up for Debate here lol! But! as far as Im concerned as Long as one can understand ME when I say "GOD is GOOD!", " JESUS is LORD" this is what matters to mE!! lol!
muchLOVE!! Pera
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Well, Pera, I hope the Lord can deliver you from your shyness!!
;D That was a joke.
Thank yu for sharing about yourself. We can be from all walks of life, around the world,, and yet have such similar stories. We ARE one in Christ.
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hahaha! lol! BLESS U Gena LOL!
muchLOVE!! Pera