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http://www.arkdiscovery.com/index2.htm
i found this site, and they have some pretty convincing pictures and stuff. I liked it. post what you all think.
GOD bless
david
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Anyone who believe that there was a real world wide flood 4400 years ago is a fool. Same with Creation theory, which is not even biblically sound. Many people here are willing to accept that Revelation is totally spiritual, but wont do the same or even go half way with first half of Genesis. Both the Creation story and the flood story are not important for what happen, but the messages the stories contain. There was no world wide flood 4400 years ago. The last world wide flood was about 10,000 years ago and even that just raised the ocean level around 100 feet. Even the Black Sea flood happen over 7,000 years ago and may have been as long as 9,000 years ago.
Sorry if I get heated or offend anyone, but superstition the realm the carnal mine. The spiritual mine should be above such things.
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Sorry but bishop James Ussher offends me, as much as John Hagee offend Ray.
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Anyone who believe that there was a real world wide flood 4400 years ago is a fool. Same with Creation theory, which is not even biblically sound. Many people here are willing to accept that Revelation is totally spiritual, but wont do the same or even go half way with first half of Genesis. Both the Creation story and the flood story are not important for what happen, but the messages the stories contain. There was no world wide flood 4400 years ago. The last world wide flood was about 10,000 years ago and even that just raised the ocean level around 100 feet. Even the Black Sea flood happen over 7,000 years ago and may have been as long as 9,000 years ago.
Sorry if I get heated or offend anyone, but superstition the realm the carnal mine. The spiritual mine should be above such things.
"Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual" (1Co 15:46, KJV).
Doesn't this mean the flood happened physically ("natural") first, and now ("afterward") it is "spiritual?" But, nevertheless, happened physically first?
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umm er something happened :P
three witness
Heb 11:7
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
1Pe 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein * * few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
2Pe 2:5
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
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Whether creation happened physically in 7 days, I agree is not the point. To me all of Genesis (first chapters especially) are some how representative of salvation of all (beginning to end)
I read and have so many questions that I don't understand. Here is just a few:
I find interesting that in verse one we read:
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Then the rest of the chapter goes into the remaining days of creation, yet at the start of chapter 2 we read
Gen 2:1 And the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
I think there is so much symbolism in Genesis early chapters, it would blow our minds if we could understand.
Just as in verse 2, the earth was waste and void, and then light came.
??light of the world? Jesus
Light verses dark; life/death, law/grace, Day/Night???
Land/earth and Sea (??called and rest of all mankind???), heavens ??? chosen??
herb yielding seeds, they'll know us by our fruits and those not chosen by their fruits (fruits only come from seed bearing plants) ???
Beasts of the earth?, our carnal nature a beast??
7th day of rest, Christ is our rest
After eating of the forbidden fruit, there eyes and ears were opened fo their nakedness and they heard God in the garden?? the law leads us to Christ, ears to hear, eyes to see our nakedness???
Being made in His image, once know good and evil;
Gen 3:22 And Jehovah God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever-
If anyone has been given eyes to see a lot of the symbolism/similitudes in Genesis 1-6, I would love to listen.
thanks.
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Gen 6:14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
Interesting that this same word pitch is used extensively throughout the old testament as atonement.
pitch=blood of Christ????
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umm er something happened :P
three witness
Heb 11:7
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
1Pe 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein * * few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
2Pe 2:5
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
Ever wonder why with the story of Noah, there was no restoration/reconciliation of those destroyed? It appears it is a story of once destroyed, then destroyed.
Wonder if this is representative, of not man being destroyed; but the carnal nature will be destroyed. Are the waters that destroyed representative of the lake of fire, and mankind destroyed in the flood is representative of our carnal nature that will forever be destroyed.
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Ive read somewhere that combustion makes water
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umm er something happened :P
three witness
Heb 11:7
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
1Pe 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein * * few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
2Pe 2:5
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
Ever wonder why with the story of Noah, there was no restoration/reconciliation of those destroyed? It appears it is a story of once destroyed, then destroyed.
Wonder if this is representative, of not man being destroyed; but the carnal nature will be destroyed. Are the waters that destroyed representative of the lake of fire, and mankind destroyed in the flood is representative of our carnal nature that will forever be destroyed.
HEY Rocky :wink:
oh so much bro, the ark its self, the raven the dove :wink: , not finding dry land. lots of deep stuff.
peace
euty
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Anyone who believe that there was a real world wide flood 4400 years ago is a fool.
i dont know if i consider myself a fool, but i have always thought that the things that happened in the old testament physically happened, but have greater spiritual meaning. what is so wrong in believing that there was a real flood and Noah made a giant ark and filled it with animals. i mean geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze.
david
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"Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits. A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it. Gen 6:14-16
This is something that I have thought about for a while now....
The ark was finished out with 3 stories.
The lower - The Law of Moses
The second - The Wisdom of the Prophets
The third - The New Covenant
Finally, the top room finished above for the Elect, the "Royal Priesthood".
Coincidence?
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"Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits. A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it. Gen 6:14-16
This is something that I have thought about for a while now....
The ark was finished out with 3 stories.
The lower - The Law of Moses
The second - The Wisdom of the Prophets
The third - The New Covenant
Finally, the top room finished above for the Elect, the "Royal Priesthood".
Coincidence?
now we are talkin :wink:
what do you see with the dove going out and finding no dry land :wink:
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Dove=Holy Spirit
Dry Land=Flesh
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Dove=Holy Spirit
Dry Land=Flesh
thats good.
do you see anything in that chapter that might be connected with the baptism of Jesus??
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For the waters were on the face of the whole earth.
Notice in8:11-an olive leaf plucked off. Looks like a place for someone to be grafted in.
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For the waters were on the face of the whole earth.
Notice in8:11-an olive leaf plucked off. Looks like a place for someone to be grafted in.
Kevin,
lots of good stuff, i think im gonna go back and reread the story and see what all i can find, Lord willing.
peace
chuckt
also compare this.
Ge 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Ge 8:8
Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;
also:
Ge 8:10
And he stayed yet other ((((seven days))); and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;
sheesh, lots and lots
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also thinking about the 3 levels of the ark, does this parallel the temple, the upper level being the holy of holies?
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Reread=Me too
Let us know what you find
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Reread=Me too
Let us know what you find
ditto, yall too!!
see ya monday.
everyone be blessed.
chuckt
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If anyone has been given eyes to see a lot of the symbolism/similitudes in Genesis 1-6, I would love to listen.
thanks.
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Rocky
There is a lot in the accounts of creation (and in the differences between the two accounts). This is only a ‘bit’ of it, and something that I already had written up…
Maybe it'll give you a place to start.
That first account of creation:
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
… and “the earth� was “without form� and void and “darkness� was upon the face of the deep….
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Jer 4:22-23 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Deu 32:16-18 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger. They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not. Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.
Job 33:6 Behold, I am according to thy wish in God's stead: I also am formed out of the clay.
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
God “moved upon� the face of the waters…. God said: “Let there be light�…
Joh 14:18-20 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. At that DAY ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be FORMED in you,
Rom 8:29-30 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conFORMED to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
God “divided� the light from the darkness… and called the light “Day� and the darkness “Night�
Joh 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
Mat 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
Luk 1:79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.
Joh 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
Joh 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
2Co 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Th 5:4-8 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that DAY should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the DAY: we are not of the NIGHT, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the DAY, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
Rom 13:12-14 The NIGHT is far spent, the DAY is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
talking about New Jerusalem:
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
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Anyone who believe that there was a real world wide flood 4400 years ago is a fool.
i dont know if i consider myself a fool, but i have always thought that the things that happened in the old testament physically happened, but have greater spiritual meaning. what is so wrong in believing that there was a real flood and Noah made a giant ark and filled it with animals. i mean geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze.
david
Big events like a world wide floods do leave evidence behind. Like the three biggest Volcanic eruptions in recorded history.
Between 1650 BCE and 1450 BCE, the largest volcanic eruption of the last 10000 years occurred in the island of Thera, modern Santorini.
The 1815 eruption of Tambora, which caused a year with out summer, and millions world wide died from famine
The 535 AD eruption of Krakatoa, which was the second largest eruption after Thera. The 535 AD eruption caused a world wide year of winter and maybe 9 years with out summer. It was the Start of the dark ages.
The only known events that happen closes to the date of 2400 BC was Thera, which happen about about a thousand years later, and a Volcanic Island collapse that happen in the Indian ocean about a thousand years before that. Nether event really match what Noah went through. The closes event that even remotely sound like what is in the bible were the world wide Glacier Ice Melt Floods the last of which happen around 10,000 years ago about 6,000 years before most people think the story of Noah took place, and those only raised the sea level by 100 feet, or so each time.
The 100 feet may not sound to bad but trust me it would be very bad if it happen as fast as some think it may have happen. It happen in less then 10 years. It may even have happen in less then a year. If it happen in less then a year the storm that it would have generated would have been very bad. If such a thing happen to day most like more then 5 billion people would die, and still more would die after it was over.
So if the bible Flood story happen when people say it happen, there would be evidence of it happing when they say it happen.
The 100 feet may not sound to bad but trust me it would be very bad if it happen as fast as some think it may have happen. It happen in less then 10 years. It may even have happen in less then a year. If it happen in less then a year the storm that it would have generated would have been very bad. If such a thing happen to day most like more then 5 billion people would die, and still more would die after it was over.