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=> Off Topic Discussions => Topic started by: Marlene on November 09, 2008, 01:58:59 AM
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I know of people who think we will eat food in our next life with Christ. Is this true, or is the feast not literal.
In His Love,
Marlene
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Hey Marlene,
That is an interesting question. I've never given that much thought. I'll be interested to see what kind of answers you get! Be warned though of the answers and ideas you may get from certain characters on this topic board. They know who they are! They will NOT really be helpful unless you need to laugh until you're breathless! ;D umm hmmm no names mind you, but don't worry they WILL show up! ;)
Hope you get some real answers!
Kathy :)
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Ok,
I am biting, oops ;D , Kathy, do not throw pearls :P to dogs or the pigs may feel slighted :D
Hi Marlene, is there a scripture that you are quoting from or can we take this to the dance. ???
??? ??? :-\ , george.
I know of people who think we will eat food in our next life with Christ. Is this true, or is the feast not literal.
In His Love,
Marlene
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Hi Marlene.
I know after the resurrection Christ ate breakfast with the apostles on the beach and again he asked for some food to eat to prove he was not a ghost. I don’t know if this proves that we eat food in heaven. ;)
In God’s Love. Richard.
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I think you have to ask...why do we eat....answer to provide material to be digested to build and repair our physical carcass. Eating is the recycling of physical molecules...dust to dust thing.
It is also easy to see that when you are born, life in imbued into one cell and the cell takes in nutrients from the mother and grows and multiplies, until it is born and then still needs nourishment. When you die, all cells lose the nutrients back to earth except for physical structures, like bones that would decay if left to the right mix of elements. Bones will remain in certain dry environments etc, whereas in bogs or mummification more body elements are stabilized.
Richard, I think when Christ ate, he took covered his spiritual linen with phycial wool and entered the physical realm....It will be no problem to pull subatomic material together from the spiritual. The spiritual can walk through the material and ascend and move in all direction.
He did not eat because he was hungry but as a jester as you mentioned. It is simply one thing that a physical body can do. Since the Word of God is Spirit I would expect that a spiritual body would draw nourishment from the Father through the Son.
The way Jesus used the phrase, eat my body and drink my blood points to this I think. He was talking in spiritual sense but the audience heard the physical.
I think there will be communion of the believers, that is why He drawing all men to Himself.
beloved
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John 4 : 31 But in the meantime the disciples asked Him saying, Rabbi, eat? But He said to them, I have food to eat which you do not know. Then the disciples said to one another, No one brought Him food to eat? Jesus said to them, My food is that I should do the will of Him who sent Me, and that I may finish His work.
Luke 12 : 23 The life is more than the food, and the body than the clothing.
Arc
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If we are going to be in the true image of God we wont or need food. Food is for the physical body. after we put on incorruptible bodies or from mortality to immortality we wont need food. The image of God is spirit and we will be also this is what I though Ray had said. I though I read this in one of his papers (read). then again I could be wrong.
Darren
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George, The scripture that Richard pointed out about him eating with the disciplies is the one I am speaking of.
In His Love,
Marlene
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I certainly hope what I’m reading could not be further from the truth as this will be a most difficult transition for me to make no doubt. The thought of never biting into some Kentucky fried chicken or having Chinese’s food for all eternity sends shivers down my spine.
I can go without McDonalds and Burger King but please don’t ask me to go without pizza and Greek salad with my favorite soft drink….. Ok, you want to talk about breakfast too and midnight snakes, Oops I hope my doctor does not read this thread………….LOL
In God’s Love. Richard.
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Richard, This is the one my husband will have trouble with. LOL He is 6"5 and I am 5"2 he is healthy as a horse and I have bad health. I eat a little and it finds me. I hate to have to eat, but with my medical problem of diabetes I often crave it. But, he can eat and never have a problem.
In His Love,
Marlene
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Hello, I have to say something. I am a little hurt at some of the replies on here. But, now I know that you do not realize why I asked this. I am new to Ray's teaching. Yes, we never know who believes like this about food. It just might not always be the organized church. But, it has taught me not to be hurt. Because, Christ is right "Father They Know Not What They Do.". I still love you all.
In His Love,
Marlene
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Hi Marlene,
Thanks for the Scripture, i will defer to a senior member in this as currently that answer from (Arc) fits.
Do not get angry if sometimes we seem to make light of some questions; many times it is an attempt to
ease someones perceived by us (pain or confusion).
In some cases before answering, we (I) should follow the adage: It is better to remain silent
and be thought a fool; than to speak up and remove all doubt.
Love in learning Sister, :-*
george.
George, The scripture that Richard pointed out about him eating with the disciples is the one I am speaking of.
In His Love,
Marlene
John 4 : 31 But in the meantime the disciples asked Him saying, Rabbi, eat? But He said to them, I have food to eat which you do not know. Then the disciples said to one another, No one brought Him food to eat? Jesus said to them, My food is that I should do the will of Him who sent Me, and that I may finish His work.
Luke 12 : 23 The life is more than the food, and the body than the clothing.
Arc
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(Joh 21:7 KJVR) Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved saith unto Peter, It is the Lord. Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he girt his fisher's coat unto him, (for he was naked,) and did cast himself into the sea.
(Joh 21:9 KJVR) As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread.
(Joh 21:10 KJVR) Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now caught.
(Joh 21:12 KJVR) Jesus saith unto them, Come and dine. And none of the disciples durst ask him, Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord.
(Joh 21:13 KJVR) Jesus then cometh, and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish likewise.
Marlene the disciples were in physical bodies and Jesus who was now spiritual ate with them. At the Resurrection all will be spiritual and in incorruptible bodies....there will be no reason to eat... "food" ... (which by the way is corruptible and is already in the state of decaying)
Snap out of it Richard.. ;D there will be no mcdonald or other junk...
Revelation tells us
Rev 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
You will be face to face with God....anything carnal will seem absurd and insane
Beloved
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Ok everyone, I stand corrected! I am sorry I made light of Marlene's question! :-[ I was just trying to prepare her for some answers that might seem odd to her. :D
I think you all have had some pretty good answers! As I said I never really gave that about eating much thought! Sorry Richard that you won't be able to have your Big Macs! :'( I'm thinking that we'll have something a whole lot better! I'll be really happy if we won't be eating! That means I won't have to cook! OR watch my weight! (Sorry :-X)
My cheeks are red! :-[
Kathy :D
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Please Kathy,
None should misconstrue my post as being aimed at them. I speak of myself only always keeping in mind:
Mote in my friends eye; Large log in my eye, thus a major problem of perception for me.
george.
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Kathy.
I don’t care about the Big Macs it the Kentucky fried chicken I’m talking about…..LOL
I believe I’ll find at the Wedding banquet Kentucky fried chicken and some down to earth biscuits with lots of butter.
In God’s Love. Richard.
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Well, George we can all take a look at ourselves and I am not easily offended! ;D I think I saw a little splinter in my eye earlier today! :D
Richard Shut up about the KFC already! Can't you see that we are going to get in trouble? ::) You know that pretty soon Craig is going to wake up and then we're in for it! (yum biscuits!) :-X
I'm sorry Marlene, it is so hard to keep these guys in line! ;) It is a hard job, but someone has to do it! ;)
Just listen to Beloved and Arc, they will give you sound advice! (for real).
We love you, praying for you!
Kathy :)
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If any one thinks it is easy carrying this huge piece of lumber around in my eye try it a bit. 8) Notice i wear dark glasses.
Two steps forward daily; it seems i always move backward.
:o that way my log doesn't obscure my peripheral vision.
george.
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Just as long as there is Pretzels and Beer Im good to go for the ions and ions and ages to come.
Love in Christ
Longhorn
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Hello, You all are something else. I love you all. But, all I was saying is anyone can believe this, but does not make it so. Beloved scriptures helped me out. You all are just too much sometimes, but I would not trade you for the world. You all mean so much to me.
Lots of my medications make me hungry and I struggle so much with not wanting to over eat. I will be glad not to have that to deal with. Free indeed.
Love,
Marlene
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Kathy,
Sorry i missed your earlier comment; to take a look at ourselves. I have done that very thing, my log broke
the mirror because i could not see clearly so kept trying to get closer. Now i am afraid to try to really look
at myself because i know that what i always saw was really blurred and that is way bad enough.
Marlene,
You are stuck with us for the aions of the aions so please start getting used to swinging back. LOL ;D
george.
Well, George we can all take a look at ourselves and I am not easily offended! ;D I think I saw a little splinter in my eye earlier today! :D
Richard Shut up about the KFC already! Can't you see that we are going to get in trouble? ::) You know that pretty soon Craig is going to wake up and then we're in for it! (yum biscuits!) :-X
I'm sorry Marlene, it is so hard to keep these guys in line! ;) It is a hard job, but someone has to do it! ;)
Just listen to Beloved and Arc, they will give you sound advice! (for real).
We love you, praying for you!
Kathy :)
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Longhorn, go back to picking ticks off the mule's butt! I have already had to warn Richard about talking about KFC, now you with the pretzels and beer!
Marlene, do you see what I mean here? Ok all we need is Musicman to show up with more beer talk and there you will have just what I meant at the beginning :o ya get no respect around here!
Well it's bedtime for me! Have fun! ;D
Kathy :)
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God Bless Every One of You. I sometimes get to serious. But, now I just want to laugh at how stupid I was when you dont even know what motivated me. LOL
George, Lots of your post have often helped me. Along with others. Hey , We are just all one big family logs and all. LOL Oh, George I have no intentions of leaving unless the Lord takes me out.
In His Love,
Marlene
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Yaay Marlene! I'm glad you're hangin' with us! It's great to have friends, isn't it!! ;D
Kathy :D
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Hello, I have to say something. I am a little hurt at some of the replies on here. But, now I know that you do not realize why I asked this. I am new to Ray's teaching. Yes, we never know who believes like this about food. It just might not always be the organized church. But, it has taught me not to be hurt. Because, Christ is right "Father They Know Not What They Do.". I still love you all.
In His Love,
Marlene
Hi Marlene,
I think you have seen that some of the membership was having a bit of fun speculating on this subject (this is the Off Topics section so folks will tend to be a little less serious) and not really making light of your question, to be honest I can see this a couple of ways to me there is not yet a definitive answer.
There are some interesting references to "eating" and "drinking" in Luke that I wanted to present;
Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
Christ is the Passover, but yet he literally ate the Passover as well!
Luk 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
Was this fulfillment the death and resurrection of our Lord? Hence the broiled fish on the beach?
Luk 22:17 And he took the cup and gave thanks and said,
Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
Is this pointing to the time Christ and the New Jerusalem (His Bride) descend to earth? Is this when Christ will "drink of the fruit of the vine, the wedding feast?" Eating and drinking are not bad things but I can reasonably say that we all know a spiritual body would not require physical food for sustenance, but what if there is a spiritual benefit for consuming a literal meal from food and drink from the New Jerusalem? By "literal meal" I am not suggesting fried chicken and burgers but the shared fellowship and comfortable environment that often accompanies an unhurried, nutricious meal among loved ones, like Thanksgiving or even at one of the Conferences! I actually have thought of this as I was sitting at supper with other members at a Mobile or Nashville Conference.
We may not need food for sustenance in the next realm but we may be given the joyful experience of gathering together for a heavenly version of a sit down happy family get together feast!
Luk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
Luk 22:30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
I know there are some who say "we are in the Kingdom now" well that is something I believe is still future, we have the promise, we have the earnest or down payment but we have not collected the full inheritence yet. I don't believe He is quite done with us at this time.....
Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
Is there anyone here that has passed though the tribulation and have already entered the Kingdom? ;)
Again, I am not suggesting a definitive answer to your question Marlene, just thinking out loud.....
Peace,
Joe
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Hello Joe, I already told them all I love them, and that I have a tendency to get very serious.
Yes, your scriptures help alot. I to believe that the Kingdom Comes when he takes us with him. I struggle every day with that beast. I want to be with him and I run the race. I believe it is ran till either he comes or after I die and we are raised from the dead.
I believe that we can't even imagine what all he has in store with us. I dont see why eating food would be wrong, done in fellowship with him.
Thanks so much for your kindness.
In His Love,
Marlene
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Thank you Joe for your post. I'm glad you were able to share your thoughts on the matter. I hope Marlene will feel better. I know she was just trying to get more information about something she wasn't sure of. There are so many conflicting things out there and a lot of it is pure speculation because some things are not clearly revealed to us.
I also wanted to remind Marlene that her question wasn't dumb at all! We are free to ask anything we want to know more about, we will either get a real clear answer or we will be given more "food for thought" ;) that's the way we learn, isn't it ???
I know I'm still learning ;D
Kathy :)
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Hi Marlene. I guess I'm in a league with your husband. At least in terms of weight-gain, I've always been able to eat whatever I wanted. THe only time I 'plumped up', all I had to do to drop it was stop my nightly snack of a pint of Hagen Daz sprinkled with M&M's. All genes and metabolism.
My thinking is very much in line with Joe's. For poor people the world over, food is a quest--often met with disappointment and frustration. For the affluent (and I consider everybody with a computer and an internet connection 'affluent' by comparison) food is often a source of evil in disease and temptations to gluttony. Though I don't really worry too much about what is to come--especially considering "...it doth not yet appear what we shall be...", I can't help but believe that whatever nourishes us is surely superior to food. We will neither have too little and be frustrated and disapoointed, or be hurt by our enjoyment.
Still, it's a beautiful picture Joe points to, and it does no harm, I think, to imagine the as yet unimaginable with good food on the table. I do my best these days to not take the spiritual promises and spiritual wealth of meaning in scripture and turn it into a fleshly commandment. For me at least, I don't feel compelled to think 'thou shalt not eat in the Kingdom'. Whatever we have, it will be gooder than KFC. :D
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Dave, That is such a good thought. I know it is genes. My Mother who has so many Godly traits battled with her weight. She was always on the go. She worked hard barely sat down. She was not a big eater, but she still battled it. Diabetes ran on her side and also my fathers. My father and Mother never had it as bad as me. My sister has it and also my Brother. The medications can make cravings worse , especially insluin. Also, they give me medications for fibromalgia and it makes you crave food or sweets. So, it is a battle for sure. Its funny, but my husband has never told me I am fat. He sees my battle and he loves me. He use to say You ain't fat your fluffy. I had a neice that says I like to hug you cause you are a pillow. I have lost quite a bit of weight over the years, but still need to loose more. I have done this with Gods help, but it is a constant battle.
Something else I would like to share with you all. Right after my Father passed away in 1993 I grieved terribly for him. I mean to the point I was having severe pain and sleepless nights. I was really ran down. He died in Dec and the following May I had a dream of him. My Fathers Lungs were bad and it affected his heart. I watched him suffer for many years with breathing problems because of the work he did most of his life. But, I can remember it was on Memorial Day morning I had a dream about him. Now, I am sure God gave it to me in the way I would understand. But, it was a place that has beauty of flowers and grass and all kinds of beauty. There was a table dressed in white. It had no begining and no end. Well, My Father looked like he did when I was little. His jet black hair and his hansome face. He was runing all over the place. The table had all kinds of fruits and beautiful foods like a banquet was going on. My Father was dressed in a Red -Tshirt and work pants. But, he was runing with me. I woke up in tears of joy. I was saying out loud when I woke catch me Dad catch me. What really got to me is how wonderful he would look. I thought, how wonderful to see that he will not suffer anymore. I never did believe they go straight to heaven. But, I can tell you I never grieved any more.
Dave you are so right it is beyond our imagination. But, I am looking forward to that day when we are all united. But, I want to see the one who saved us.
In His Love,
Marlene
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Hi Marlene,
What a very nice dream the Lord gave you to take away your grief for your Dad.
As has been discussed before, the world will be raised to physical life in the resurrection of the dead. So they will still need physical subsistence for their physical body.
But the Elect will be raised in glory and power, in spiritual bodies (1 Cor 15:43), with no need for anything physical to sustain them. As I consider those occasions when Christ did literally eat physical food after He was resurrected, it was in fellowship with the disciples. So it is not too much of a stretch to think that the Elect would find occasions also to eat physical foods when ruling with Christ over the world. But of course it would not be for sustenance or I don't believe even as any kind of joy in the consumption, as that seems actually be a kind of fleshly lust. I believe the raised Elect will be beyond that, but I do think they would partake of food in fellowship, as Jesus did. I hope this does not confuse the issue.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Hello Kat,
Thanks for your reply. No, it helps. For me personally I will be glad not to have that battle to fight. What , makes it really hard is the medications I take. But, I have always had to battle my weight. Good to know I won't be fixing meals . LOL
In His Love,
Marlene