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Folks,
What form of government does God prefer for humans until his son returns to rule in perfect love?
I think this short video illustrates the history of human government and provides a good basis for discussion of our options and how they work.
http://wimp.com/thegovernment
It also gives us a good reasoned basis for the rules we use on the BT forum.
This is not a democracy.
Please take a look and comment
Old Indiana Bob
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According to the book of Judges (or perhaps Joshua?) God seemed disappointed when the Israelites demanded a king but he okayed it.
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This is a great video. But I want to warn all, that we don't want to turn this thread into political debate.
Nip it in the bud.
Craig
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hi friends.wouldent the body of christ be a type of goverment
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The video is very interesting so far, I didn't have time to listen to the whole thing. Thanks Bob for sharing this. Craig, thanks for the gentle reminder!
Kathy :D
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hi friends.wouldent the body of christ be a type of goverment
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty El, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of of hosts will perform this.
Isaiah 22:21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.
1Corinthians 12:28 And hath set some in the assembly, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
2Peter 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
Peace...Mark
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Exactly right Craig,
The video was attractive to me because it says so much in so few words. No politics intended. ::)
In the final alalysis scripture says we need a government of law as opposed to every person doing what seems good to themselves. That was the point I wished to offer for consideration.
Additionally, the BT forum like most organizations of friendly discussion still need rules and the rules should be based upon the established constitution or body of law that each member agreed to at the outset.
AND like the Supreme court of our land, the moderators (the supreme court) are appointed for life.
New members do not get to change/elect the court of last appeal. ;D ;D
And of course all of my comments above are subject to moderation by the proper authority.
Respectfully appreciate your caution, Indiana Bob
This is a great video. But I want to warn all, that we don't want to turn this thread into political debate.
Nip it in the bud.
Craig
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OMG! IBob, you are so smart! How do you find these things? Very eye-opening video!! thank you!
Kathy :D
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He wants the government where I'm in charge!! Yeah!! Musicman should rule I tell ya. We could call it a Musicoscracy. All shall bow at my presence. Huahahahahahahah!!
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Hello Kathy & thanks,
What got my attention, as with things on the forum, is how uninformed the general population is.
When folks are stuck in christendom and don't check things out or aren't called out they really do not understand what would be obvious IF they were blessed with the understanding that Ray & Dennis have shared with us who read B T and who have been given the GIFT of understanding.
So many of my friends and relatives are living in a dream world thinking things will just go along as they always have, UNTIL the banks lose their assets and their pension goes down the drain. I suppose it is the same with their beliefs about God and His faithfulness. They just assume that the preacher knows what he is preaching about and they never bother to confirm what they are told. We are so blessed to know what we have been given that it is difficult to contain it in our hearts and minds.
Love and hugs, Bob
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Wait!! Stop the presses!! Musicman has spoken!! Oh yeah the supreme musical being!! hmmm.. what shall we call you? Your High-Noteness? Hehehe! How about that? Yes! I am almost bowing down, but wait I have things I want from your government Your High-Noteness... I shall write my demands, er my requests out on musical paper so you will be able to read it more easily! First, a tax credit for each song we sing to you most noble sire! I will sing to you from morning until night! (I can sing nonstop and I know a MILLION songs!!) heehe! $$$$$ I am gonna be RICH! Oh, what? You are NOT open to my suggestions? Ha! Then I shall NOT vote for you!! WHAT? You say there is no voting? You are just declaring yourself head of the government?? I'll have to think about this....... :P
;D ;D
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How could any form of government be run faithfully when most people are carnal? I do think there is an ethical predisposition if taught some bare basics but even that seems to be going by the wayside. I pray for our country. judy
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Hi Bob
What form of government does God prefer?
invites contemplation on God's Kingdom.
1 cor 15 :24
24. Then comes the end, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
When the end comes there will not be a need for rules, all will obey God, there will not be a need for authority, all will have the precepts of God written in their hearts and hearts of stone will have been changed, and there will not be a need for power, death will be vanquished and God will be all in all. All will enter into Gods rest. Jesus will be the last one after He has delivered up the kingdom to the Father. Jesus is the first and last. Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega.
Such a kingdom is most worthy to be seeking. Seek you first the kingdom of God and all these things, what things...rules will be shadows and will vanish, authorities will not lord it over anyone and power will have done its work.
We know that all power in heaven and earth is given to Christ. It is His work within us that shall bring each one of us to the full height of His perfection when finally, at the end, in the order He has designated, God will be all in all.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,6142.0.html
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.0.html
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3720.0.html
Seek yea first the Kingdom of God...that is what we are doing as we study here in BT.
Arc
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1 cor 15 :24
24. Then comes the end, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
When the end comes there will not be a need for rules, all will obey God, there will not be a need for authority, all will have the precepts of God written in their hearts and hearts of stone will have been changed, and there will not be a need for power, death will be vanquished and God will be all in all. All will enter into Gods rest. Jesus will be the last one after He has delivered up the kingdom to the Father. Jesus is the first and last. Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega.
Hi Arc,
I think you paraphrased 1Cor 15:24 beautifully. The part I put in bold immediately brought to mind the image of Captain Sully (the pilot that landed the plane in the Hudson River) checking the plane a few times to make sure no one was left behind (like the parable of the 99 sheep and the one lost). Capt. Sully was the last one after he had made sure all were saved. Is my analogy on target? I only ask because sometimes I think I have something right and I am totally (spiritually) off the mark. I don't mean to bring the spiritual down to physical, I am just a "visual" learner.
Eileen
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If an analogy or a song, or a movie or a flower or a sunset turns our minds to study the Word of God and compare Spiritual with Spiritual this is His Gift to us. It is His Glory to reveal His love for us in deeper proximity to our own personal experiences of life.
Jesus said. Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. John 15 :13
Through your analogy Eileen my mind was caused to think of the above Scripture. So Who is doing the directing in this discussion? The Spirit of Christ Himself. Not you or I. He is the cause of everything. He is causing all who are studying His Word here in BT to walk in HIS good works to learn of Him His ways and Spirit.
Arc
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Very well said Arc! You said just the thing I wanted to say! I can add that the reason we have governments today is to keep everything from going out of control. In this carnal age that is absolutely necessary. After the end there governments will not be needed anymore just as you said, Arc. God bless you, Eirik
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Thanks Bob,
I appreciated and enjoyed this Video, as you stated, the information is to the point
and simple to understand. It cleared up some misconceptions I had on the definition
of certain types of Government; Example: the difference between Democracy and
Republic. I think that I will send this link to my Dad, as he likes that type of information.
What came to my mind after viewing the Video, although not directly related, is what
type of Government we were exposed to growing up within our Families. I don't know
about you, but I'm certain it was a Dictatorship governed by a controlling Father who
produced victims who attempted to be " Pleasers " of the ruling individual, stunting the
emotional growth of those family members. Just some food for thought regarding the
type of Government one might find in the Family setting. ;)
Kind Regards, Samson.
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I don't think the video protrayed God's kingdom at all. It showed how man's government will always fail though.
Craig
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With man it is impossible ,BUT with GOD all things are possible
Human nature doesn't know how to stay the course of what is good for all ,it is the spirit of God that never fails
Walt.
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According to the book of Judges (or perhaps Joshua?) God seemed disappointed when the Israelites demanded a king but he okayed it.
It was in 1 samuel 8 verse 11 to 22. God also warned them what a king would do. And it stays true today no matter what type of rule. Great video. short, informative and to the point.
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Lest we forget ,the true Kingdom of God is in us not in the world. :)
Peace...Mark
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"What form of government does God prefer?"
Answer: The kind He sets up!
Ask a silly question get a simple answer.
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Whyyyyyyyyyy????
does a democrat prefer a republic and a republican prefer a democracy?????
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Indiana Bob,
Thanks for the good Civics lesson. It would do us all well to know the differences in the different forms of government as I personally feel that our Republic is in more danger than it has ever been. We do need to pray for our leaders and be more diligent in deciding who we will vote for and support. We really get what we deserve and my fear is that what we have now is not too good.
However, thanks be to our GOD who is in complete control. HIS warnings are so very simple for us to understand and found in HIS word.
In HIM,
Phil3:10
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Since GOD Is In CONTROL Completely, what does it matter to us, let the dead deal with dead stuff.
One of the forum rules is that we do not discuss politics here, for good reason too.
How about some really important Scripture Like:
Num 11:18-20 (GNB)
18 Now tell the people, 'Purify yourselves for tomorrow; you will have meat to eat. The LORD has heard you whining and saying that you wished you had some meat and that you were better off in Egypt. Now the LORD will give you meat, and you will have to eat it.
19 You will have to eat it not just for one or two days, or five, or ten, or even twenty days,
20 but for a whole month, until it comes out of your ears, until you are sick of it. This will happen because you have rejected the LORD who is here among you and have complained to him that you should never have left Egypt.' "
1Co 15:32 (GNB)
If I have, as it were, fought "wild beasts" here in Ephesus simply from human motives, what have I gained? But if the dead are not raised to life, then, as the saying goes, "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we will die."
george. :)