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Title: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: ML on October 11, 2018, 01:50:21 PM
Since Cannabis is being legalized in Canada in about a week, how should it be dealt with? I have no intention of using it, but I know people like their money, and expecting a lot of people to eat this stuff up.

Do you think if someone has problems, causing them pain, etc. they can use it safely? Or is that a myth?

We cannot play the "its not legal" card anymore, because now it is.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Wanda on October 11, 2018, 04:33:25 PM
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quote]Since Cannabis is being legalized in Canada in about a week, how should it be dealt with?

Dealt with how,  could you be more specific?
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: ML on October 11, 2018, 04:38:47 PM
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quote]Since Cannabis is being legalized in Canada in about a week, how should it be dealt with?

Dealt with how,  could you be more specific?
For example, if someone asks you what you think about using Cannabis. Or, if you know of people interested in using it, but it may not be as safe as what the government claims.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: yello62 on October 11, 2018, 06:17:24 PM
having used marijuana as recently as last september, and having used it on and off since i was a teenager, i would say that it is not something that is conducive to a strong mind, but neither is alcohol.  both can be abused to the point of destroying a life, and we know that God gave wine and strong drink for the purpose of making the heart glad, and for celebration.  i would say weed might be a little different, especially nowadays, as it has been grown to 1) be very powerful and 2) have psychotropic properties that are also very powerful, and, quite frankly, dangerous to the mind, imo.   there are strains that are bred specifically for medicinal purposes, that have lower thc properties and therefore do not have the same psychological effects.  those strains are used for inflammation, pain management, tumor reduction, those kinds of things.  the literature on the use for that is growing and mostly positive,  i have though about using that strain, as i cannot use most pain medication, as my kidneys are failing, and pain meds, specifically the NSAID class, damage the kidneys.

does any of this help?
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: ML on October 11, 2018, 07:14:11 PM
Thanks Tony.

But, still wondering. Is the "medical" kind more harmful than what most think today?
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: yello62 on October 11, 2018, 08:04:44 PM
i have talked to people that use the cannabis directly bred for pain.  they have none of the feelings that you would expect when partaking of weed that is intended to create a “buzz”.  it was why i considered using it.  i cannot afford that at all, but need something to manage my pain when it gets bad.  right now, i am using nothing to mask the occasional pain.  i also have other issues that are priority right now that may not afford me the opportunity to use the product. 
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: John from Kentucky on October 11, 2018, 08:43:10 PM
Dope is Dope, whether or not some government says it is legal or O.K.

If you use Dope, you are a Dope Head.  End of Story.


When Jesus was dying, He was offered some Dope on a stick to dull his pain, but He refused it.
But how many care what Jesus did?
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Musterseed on October 11, 2018, 09:52:05 PM
Medical marijuana didn’t help any of my friends who were sick. It apparently was not potent
enough.
The use of recreational marijuana use is all about the money. No different than alcohol or cigs.Lust
Of the flesh.
It’s starting to cause problems already and going to be chaos. Edibles include gummy bears
and a child has already overdosed on them and is in hospital. Some dogs have gotten sick
from eating pot and a child was expelled from school for smelling of pot, his parents.
The cops have no test to give high drivers except their own opinions and the cops now want to know when they can smoke it themselves. All ten provinces and three territories have their own laws and some allow smoking pot in public places. It’s so ridiculous. But then again it is Canada.
Where the laws made in the dark are made to uphold the lifestyle of every discusting sin . It’s a swill of a place.

Rom.1:32
Though they knew God’s decree that those who practice those things deserve to die,
they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: indianabob on October 12, 2018, 02:39:20 AM
Dope is Dope, whether or not some government says it is legal or O.K.

If you use Dope, you are a Dope Head.  End of Story.


When Jesus was dying, He was offered some Dope on a stick to dull his pain, but He refused it.
But how many care what Jesus did?

= = =
Mat 27:48  And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. 

I sort of doubt that vinegar would dull Jesus' pain.
It was more likely to insult him.
Bob
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: ZekeSr on October 12, 2018, 09:39:37 AM
It’s like anything else. There is good use and misuse. Industrial hemp has been used for thousands of years. It was spun into fibers as far back as ten thousand years ago. It is actually one of the most useful plants on the planet. And yes, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson both grew hemp, but it is highly doubtful that they ever smoked it. It wouldn’t have gotten them high if they had. The THC level is way too low despite the fact that it is the same plant. Marijuana has been bred to get people high.

When hemp was made illegal in the U.S. back in 1937 it was for reasons that had nothing to do with public health and everything to do with politics and money—a story too long to explain here. But in order to demonize it they knew they couldn't call it hemp. The people were too familiar with it. So they started calling it Marijuana, which was the little-known Mexican slang for the version that gets you high. And just like any other forbidden fruit, it caused awareness and temptation to spread. Canada followed in 1938 as part of an ‘international’ effort. An unfortunate blow to the U.S. and Canadian farmers who were the real victims at the time. Hemp has been imported ever since.

The only time hemp was allowed to be grown in the U.S. was during WWII for the war effort.

I’m sure there will be truly good medical (and further industrial) uses found. And there’s nothing wrong with that. But it isn’t the panacea that is being touted at the moment. Also, the medical uses that are being examined have, for the most part, very little to do with the psychoactive elements of the plant.

Mike
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: John from Kentucky on October 12, 2018, 10:05:33 AM
Dope is Dope, whether or not some government says it is legal or O.K.

If you use Dope, you are a Dope Head.  End of Story.


When Jesus was dying, He was offered some Dope on a stick to dull his pain, but He refused it.
But how many care what Jesus did?

= = =
Mat 27:48  And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink.

I sort of doubt that vinegar would dull Jesus' pain.
It was more likely to insult him.
Bob

You need to study more I Bob.  Read Mark 15:23.  That stuff they tried to give Him was meant to dull the pain.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: indianabob on October 12, 2018, 03:01:25 PM
Hi John,

You are correct. I didn't see that although I did find in Mark 15:36 the following.

And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone; let us see whether Elias will come to take him down. 

That is why I took it to be a taunt rather than a benefit to help his suffering.

Thanks for your help, I-bob

Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: John from Kentucky on October 12, 2018, 04:17:07 PM
Hi John,

You are correct. I didn't see that although I did find in Mark 15:36 the following.

And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone; let us see whether Elias will come to take him down.

That is why I took it to be a taunt rather than a benefit to help his suffering.

Thanks for your help, I-bob

Yeah, those were two separate events.

The vinegar on a stick was near when he died.

The Mark 15:23 thing was earlier.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Wanda on October 12, 2018, 05:10:39 PM



ML, I'll address your question on the dangers of using marijuana for medical purposes.

I researched this when my sister was diagnosed with cancer and seriously considering the recommended Chemo Therapy treatment. Unfortunately she was a mere 91 pounds by the time she was to receive her first of 12 doses, and it was obvious to us both,  she would not have survived the first dose.

The worst side affect of Chemo is nausea  and loss of appetite,  resulting in huge weight and muscle loss. This is often what kills cancer patients receiving this type of treatment.

If you can stave off these affects the survival  of treatment is more successful than doing nothing.

Some cancer patients use it to controll nausea from the affects of Chemo Therapy  and also to increase appetite, but it is not smoked as that is an ineffective method of treatment.

1 gram each of CBD oil and RSO oil (THC) per day, distributed in three pills, is very effective in combating the harsh affects of nausea and subsequent loss of appetite, that results in weight and muscle loss.  As for the dangers of this type of treatment,   the research clearly shows this is far less dangerous/toxic to the body than Chemo.

I'm sure there is research about other medical conditions that it's being prescribed for, but I haven't searched, however I did see evidence of skin cancer being healed with CBD oil, that was applied directly to the skin lesions.





Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Stacey on October 13, 2018, 12:09:45 AM
“Dope is Dope, whether or not some government says it is legal or O.K.

If you use Dope, you are a Dope Head.  End of Story.”


I reckon I’m a dope head.

I do take high blood pressure dope and I also use an asprin every now and then. Oh, its “leagal” dope but dope it is as well as any so called “medicine”. 


Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: octoberose on October 13, 2018, 04:30:30 AM
We live in Colorado and marijuana has been legal here for a while now.  The problems have been things like increased homelessness because people were coming here for the drug with no job, some industries have a hard time filling jobs because they still drug test, police have to figure out what the legal limit is, and some people have died while ingesting pot baked goods ( the truth). The upside is for now all our property values have increased , children  have had access to a drug that stop or dramatically decrease seizures so their parents have moved here just for that ( no THC involved ). , the freedom to use marijuana medically is up to the individual and frankly if I was in chronic pain I would choose a plant God made over a chemical in a lab, medical marijuana has been shown to have a postive affect on cancer cures ( watch The Sacred Plant) , and lastly my husband uses an ointment with CBD in it for pain on his leg since surgery last year and he swears by it.
I hope this helps a bit .
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: ZekeSr on October 13, 2018, 08:25:08 AM
Dope is Dope, whether or not some government says it is legal or O.K.

If you use Dope, you are a Dope Head.  End of Story.


When Jesus was dying, He was offered some Dope on a stick to dull his pain, but He refused it.
But how many care what Jesus did?

In order to keep himself going while in great pain from his cancer, much to our benefit, Ray was on morphine and ibuprofen for quite some time.
Too bad. I guess he died a dope head.

I repeat my statement from a previous post: "It's like anything else. There is good use and misuse."

Mike
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Dave in Tenn on October 13, 2018, 03:50:15 PM
Legal marijuana is two separate business models.  One is selling THC.  That's what gets you high.  Marijuana, in that model, is simply one of several THC delivery systems.  Their horticulturalists produce strains aimed at increasing THC in the plant.  It is a naturally occurring chemical amped up to grossly unnatural levels.

As far as I know, THC has no medicinal uses.  It is the other main chemical (CBD?) that has the effects looked for as medicine.  It doesn't get you high.  In smoking a joint to access CBD, the effects of THC would be a side-effect.  Medicines typically try to minimize side-effects.  Let's see what the "industry" does.

If I am wrong and THC DOES have some recognized medical benefits, then to inhale smoke seems to me to be a rather poor way to get at it.

Legal Pot outlets are selling THC.  Pure and simple.  Same as illegal pot outlets.  It's why they've raised/bred their product.  People using their product for reasons other than the ones THEY have, are misusing it.  It's how they tout their product.  And it's how and why they market their product. 

I don't yet know what medical marijuana dispensaries are selling. 





Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: John from Kentucky on October 13, 2018, 10:08:45 PM
Dope is Dope, whether or not some government says it is legal or O.K.

If you use Dope, you are a Dope Head.  End of Story.


When Jesus was dying, He was offered some Dope on a stick to dull his pain, but He refused it.
But how many care what Jesus did?

In order to keep himself going while in great pain from his cancer, much to our benefit, Ray was on morphine and ibuprofen for quite some time.
Too bad. I guess he died a dope head.

I repeat my statement from a previous post: "It's like anything else. There is good use and misuse."

Mike

My comments did not apply to the medicinal use of substances recognized by true physicians.

But there are those who twist words for their own purposes.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Dave in Tenn on October 14, 2018, 08:35:59 AM
Read the sticky at the top of the off-topics forum, please.  I'm unable to post a link on my phone.  We will not tolerate put-downs any longer.  If it persists, it will be dealt with.  My personal apologies for allowing it to persist as long as it has.

If a brother be overtaken in a fault (even on this webforum) restore such a one in the spirit of meekness, considering thyself. 

So, then, consider thyself. 
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: cjwood on October 27, 2018, 02:32:09 AM
I have used medical marijuana off and on many times in the past.  I am on disability for several chronic pain and spinal disorders, as well as depression.  Say what you want, it DOES work for pain management.  Since I live in Texas, the only condition that one could obtain a medical marijuana card for is epilepsy. Therefore I am unable to utilize it daily.

I have gone to God, my Father, in prayer often regarding my use of marijuana, instead of pharmaceutical pain medications.  I used to go to a pain clinic several years ago.  They put me on Fentanyl, Vicodin, Lyrica, and Cymbalta.  I felt no pain, however, I felt nothing else either.  I was in a daze most of the time and actually fainted once in my garage while home alone, due to the Fentanyl patch.  Thank God my dog was with me and I came to with her licking and my face and pawing at me.   I walked away from the pain clinic and started going to a holistic chiropractor.  That became so expensive I had to stop going.  It really didn't truly help me unless I went a few days a week.

Then a family member from California came to visit and let me try their medical marijuana which they had gotten legally due to their personal medical condition.  I know that after partaking I didn't think about my pain.  Not from being high, though I could feel the THC effect, but as if it just shut down the pain signals to my brain.  It didn't mask the pain like all the prescription meds I had been on from my pain clinic docs.  I was able to do chores, and even work in my yard without pain or exhaustion, while at the same time being careful not to overdo the physical activity.  I take CBD oil and have been doing so for the past 5 yrs.  It helps with alot of my medical issues.  It works in a different way than medical marijuana due to the CBD oil not containing any of the THC.

I even bought CBD oil for one of our past forum members, John Chris who was suffering with ALS.  He told me that he noticed improvement which made him very hopeful.  However, when he had to go into nursing home care due to a couple of personal reasons, the caretakers would not allow him to bring the CBD oil with him.  He was very upset about that, but knew that all is of God.  Our brother succumbed to the disease and passed away in the nursing care facility. 

Say what you want about marijuana, it does help with pain and even nausea.  I am living proof.  Done in moderation, according to the dosage, depending on your medical condition, it works very well.

All is of God.  He knows my heart.  He is my judge.

Love in Christ,
claudia
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: lareli on November 05, 2018, 04:19:58 PM
Weed causes me to evaluate myself from outside of my ego. It has served me well as a tool to identify and deal with issues ranging from anger to ignorance. Has made me more forgiving of others. A better, more patient husband and father.

It played a tremendous role in the opening of my eyes to the folly of the worlds church. It has been a tool that God used to eventually lead me to the truth found on this site.

But it’s only a tool (in my opinion). And just like any tool it can be used for good and bad.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: rumpelstiltskin on November 05, 2018, 08:29:10 PM
I've used Cannabis for over 25 years and I’m not ashamed of that in anyway .....end of story!!!
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: John from Kentucky on November 05, 2018, 10:39:03 PM
I have found that the Spirit of God and Scriptures give me a high.

God has blessed and guided me all my life.

Does anyone know what the Scriptures say about obeying the laws of the government that God has subjected you to?
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: rumpelstiltskin on November 05, 2018, 11:32:25 PM
Pretty sure there is, something about obeying those that God puts over us - cant quote it but I think you’re right
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Musterseed on November 06, 2018, 10:42:25 AM
I’ll say Rom.13:1-7, sorry ,can’t type out. Carpal Tunnel 😖❤️ And crappy I Pad.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Jennalyce on November 06, 2018, 11:02:02 AM
I believe anything can be abused and I also know that what God created to grow, "the herbs of the field"....can be very beneficial for pain. I have witnessed the result of that. As long as in moderation.... I think it is fine.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: yello62 on November 06, 2018, 01:17:20 PM
I have found that the Spirit of God and Scriptures give me a high.

God has blessed and guided me all my life.

Does anyone know what the Scriptures say about obeying the laws of the government that God has subjected you to?

the apostle paul admonishes us to be subject to all authority as far as we can without disobeying God.  while it is true that marijuana is still illegal for consumption in the majority of the united states. there are many places that allow both recreational and medicinal usage.  i think the question at hand is whether in those places where the usage has been legalized, we feel comfortable using.  as i believe i have articulated previously, i don't find the recreational use of any value myself, but that is also true of alcohol.  i have considered using the CBD derived product for pain, as i have kidney damage that precludes me from using other pain meds.  yesterday would have been a good day to have some on hand, as i was in a fair amount of pain all day, and had trouble sleeping as a result.  i toughed it out, because i have not pulled the trigger on the CBD purchase, but came awfully close to doing so because of my pain.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: lareli on November 06, 2018, 05:07:33 PM
The law I follow is the one written on my heart. I’m a free man sir.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: cjwood on November 13, 2018, 04:44:49 AM
I have found that the Spirit of God and Scriptures give me a high.


Does anyone know what the Scriptures say about obeying the laws of the government that God has subjected you to?




Ok John, I don't evidently get a high from the Spirit of God and His holy Scriptures like you do, but I do get peace and comfort, and instruction in righteousness. And many times I get convicted in my heart.  I also see that you are the same old JFK, always trying to say, in between the lines of your posts, that you are holier than most of us on this forum, no matter how long we have been here and studied, and continue to study the essays by Ray and studying the Scriptures with the Spirit of God guiding and teaching us. You still judge by not actually coming right out and saying it, using sarcasm or humor.

Also, the Scriptures do say in Romans 13 that we are to submit/be subjected to the governing authorities.  God has put them in the positions they are in.  So, it is ok for believers to utilize marijuana, if they feel a need, in those states in this nation where it is legal for medical, or even recreational purposes, because they would be subjecting themselves to the authorities and laws of the land.  How do your square up your Scriptural argument with that?  And, how do you justify that in this nation where almost half of the states have legalized marijuana in one form or another, but the other (more conservative) states have not okayed it for their people?  So if I'm a believer in one of the legalized states and utilize marijuana for chronic pain management, or anxiety, or depression, etc. I am subjecting myself to the authorities and powers that be and everything is copacetic.  But, my brother or sister in a state in this same nation, who may desire to use marijuana for chronic pain management, or depression, or anxiety, etc. they would be judged by you and other believers who are against marijuana in any shape or form, for any reason.  But you are free to drink alcohol, or even smoke cigarettes, just because this nation says they are legal even though both of those substances have been proven to be detrimental to life and health. 

That makes no sense. No matter how much anyone in this whole country tries to say it does. 

As I said in my original post response to this thread, God knows my heart, He is my judge.  This is not a subject I take lightly and one I have prayed about.


God still works in mysterious ways.
All is of God.

claudia



Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Stacey on November 13, 2018, 06:27:58 AM
Amen Claudia! God is our Judge and knows our hearts.

In Romans 12:2 Paul tells us to not be conformed to the pattern of this world.

United States Government, local governing offices and civil governmental rulers are of the pattern of this world.

Do we then get into Romans 13 and think Paul has had a change of mind and there is informing us to submit to the pattern of the world?

Paul is no more informing us to submit to governmental “rulers” than Lucifer is the name of Satan.

Which by the way, Satan has authority, he is the god of this world, should we submit to his authority? Nonsense.

Some good questions I found looking deeper into Romans 13,

Did Moses violate God’s principle of submission to authority when he killed the Egyptian taskmaster in defense of his fellow Hebrew?

Did Elijah violate God’s principle of submission to authority when he openly challenged Ahab and Jezebel?

Did David violate God’s principle of submission to authority when he refused to surrender to Saul’s troops?

Did Daniel violate God’s principle of submission to authority when he disobeyed the king’s law to not pray audibly to God?

Did the three Hebrew children violate God’s principle of submission to authority when they refused to bow to the image of the state?

Did John the Baptist violate God’s principle of submission to authority when he publicly scolded King Herod for his infidelity?

Did Simon Peter and the other Apostles violate God’s principle of submission to authority when they refused to stop preaching on the streets of Jerusalem?

Did Paul violate God’s principle of submission to authority when he refused to obey those authorities who demanded that he abandon his missionary work? In fact, Paul spent almost as much time in jail as he did out of jail.

The common church teaching for Romans 13 is that Paul is informing us to submit to the governmental rule of this world. Since when do we here in this forum accept the common teachings of christendom?

I suggest more study on Romans 13 for anyone that thinks the common interpretation of submitting to governmental laws and rulers, is the correct understanding of what Paul is saying there.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: John from Kentucky on November 13, 2018, 12:53:45 PM
Claudia,

I am not a righteous man.  I know my own heart as does God.  I sin every day.  My only hope is Jesus, the Savior and Anointed King.

Sorry if I have offended you.  I would make it better if I knew how.

John
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: cjwood on November 14, 2018, 06:04:51 PM
You already made it better JFK by your kind words.  I love you brother in Christ.

claudia
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: John from Kentucky on November 14, 2018, 07:27:38 PM
You already made it better JFK by your kind words.  I love you brother in Christ.

claudia

The last time we met was in November 2009 at the Mobile, AL conference.

Ray and his wife invited everyone over for a meal.  It was a Sunday afternoon, in his backyard and you were trying to catch and pet one of His cats.

I was sitting at one of the tables.  Ray walked over to talk to some of us.  A woman was troubled in spirit.  One of her relatives had died and was mentally unwell.  She asked Ray what would happen to Him.  Ray told her Jesus would bring him back to life and heal his mind and save him and give him everlasting life.  Jesus would save everyone.  Ray's words made that woman so happy and gave her peace.  It was a blessing for me to witness Ray's kindness to that woman. 

That was nine years ago.  Nine years!  Makes me feel old.  No Country For Old Men.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: yello62 on November 14, 2018, 07:32:28 PM
john,

we old men have a country.  it's maker is our Creator.  can't wait to reside there.  :)

tony
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: cjwood on November 14, 2018, 09:59:49 PM
hi yello62,  i would recommend you make use of the cbd oil.  i use it daily.  the company i order from is very well rated for all of their products.  they are called bluebird botanicals out of boulder, co.  they have different mg strengths per dose so you can find one that suits you best.  studies have now shown that cbd oil can help with type 2 diabetes.  look into it.  my baby sister has started using it for her spinal pain and it has helped her a lot too.

i'm not an old man, but i am a woman of mature age  ;D and i too look forward to where my true citizenship is.  new jerusalem.

claudia
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: cjwood on November 14, 2018, 10:03:33 PM
john, NOW i remember meeting you.  i never connected the story you described in ray's back yard with me trying to catch her kitty.  manuela had made spaghetti.  i still see her about once a year but keep in touch with her often.  she ended up selling the house she and ray had because it was more house than she needed.  plus she said the memories there were hard sometimes.  she bought a smaller house very close to the old house.

anyway, thanks for reminding me of the story when i actually met you.

claudia
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Jennalyce on November 16, 2018, 08:46:21 AM
I have heard of cbd oil but unsure of how to use it and what it does....help please!
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: yello62 on November 16, 2018, 11:11:11 AM
jennalyce,

it depends on the preparation.  some cbd oil is in pill form, some in vaporizer form, some in topical cream.  i have recently purchased the topical cream for some pain that i have in my back.  i just rub it in.

hope this helps,

tony
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: cjwood on November 17, 2018, 12:09:36 AM
hi jennalyce,                                                                                                                                                                                                      I take it in the liquid form.  using the dropper that comes with it.  the taste is something you have to get used to, or, you can mix in something to mask the taste.  cbd oil is being studied more and more for its medical benefits.  you can google it and learn quite a bit.

claudia
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Jennalyce on November 17, 2018, 08:15:56 AM
Thank you all...I will look into it. I have a fear of things such as this that I don't know much about....
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: lareli on November 30, 2018, 05:31:29 PM
The 1930’s and 1980’s drug war propaganda was very effective in deceiving the masses and influencing the opinions of people for decades. But the truth can never be hidden forever and I’m thankful to God that more and more people are awaking out of their ignorance of what Cannabis is and what it isn’t.

I smoke Cannabis daily. The THC kind. It has been a blessing and I give thanks to the Almighty Creator for creating every seed bearing herb for the service of man. It serves me well.

Regardless of your thoughts on Cannabis, personal freedom is a good thing. If I don’t have the freedom to put whatever I want into my body so long as it doesn’t harm another person, than I do not have ownership over my own body. And if I don’t have ownership over my own body than someone else does and I am not free.

I wish freedom for all of you to do what you want with your own lives as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else. Even if you want to ruin your own life. Every person should have the right to ruin their lives if they so choose.... to their own master will they rise or fall.

God Bless you ALL.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 30, 2018, 07:18:39 PM
Back in the 80's Cannabis was 10% as powerful as it is today.

If you are an island and have no one that will deeply mourn your passing then ...

No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.

John Donne

I can't say that the above is biblical - It's a poem


Poet's Notes about The Poem
These famous words by John Donne were not originally written as a poem - the passage is taken from the 1624 Meditation 17, from Devotions Upon Emergent Occasions and is prose. The words of the original passage are as follows:

John Donne
Meditation 17
Devotions upon Emergent Occasions

'No man is an iland, intire of it selfe; every man is a peece of the Continent, a part of the maine; if a clod bee washed away by the Sea, Europe is the lesse, as well as if a Promontorie were, as well as if a Mannor of thy friends or of thine owne were; any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee....'  'Google'

Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: John from Kentucky on November 30, 2018, 09:22:54 PM
What do the Scriptures say about this issue?

The Scriptures do not condemn drinking alcohol, but strongly condemns intoxication.
After all, Jesus's 1st miracle was creating hundreds of gallons of good wine.

I have never had marijuana or any kind of any illegal drugs.

So if marijuana causes immediate intoxication, I would say the Scriptures would condemn it.

Also, if smoking tobacco causes harm to your body, wouldn't the smoking of marijuana cause similar harm?

An overall principle of Scripture is to cause no harm to yourself or others.

So how can smoking marijuana be O.K. just because you think it is right?  Only God decides right and wrong.

The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil has bitter fruit.








Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: friendofJC on November 30, 2018, 09:41:45 PM
I think discipline is needed.  Most behavior is habitual, and they say chains of habit are too weak to be felt until they are too strong to be broken. 
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: ML on November 30, 2018, 10:07:54 PM
Quote
personal freedom is a good thing. If I don’t have the freedom to put whatever I want into my body so long as it doesn’t harm another person, than I do not have ownership over my own body. And if I don’t have ownership over my own body than someone else does and I am not free.

I wish freedom for all of you to do what you want with your own lives as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else. Even if you want to ruin your own life. Every person should have the right to ruin their lives if they so choose.... to their own master will they rise or fall.
I personally don't see freedom in "making any possible choice, regardless of consequences." Freedom is found in Christ, not apart from Him. How would hurting yourself, no matter how much or little it affects others, be glorifying God? It is not glorifying God.

I think God would hurt the most by His child hurting themselves.

1 Corinthians 3
16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 6
19Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.
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Post by: lareli on December 05, 2018, 04:17:07 PM
sugar is more harmful to your body/your temple than cannabis. Sugar is eight times more addictive than cocaine and has caused an epidemic of diabetes and a slew of serious health problems associated with obesity. Still, I wouldn’t want anyone to have the authority to tell you that you can’t eat whatever you want.

You can go to a fast food restaurant and order a stomach full of chemical food and wash it down with a gallon of sugar syrup soda. Is that honoring Gods temple?? My answer would be no. But I want everyone to have the freedom to dishonor my God if they so choose as long as they don’t physically harm anyone else. Perhaps you will non-physically hurt someone’s feelings in doing so but that should be your own choice.

The Law is to love your neighbor as yourself. I personally do not want any man to have authority to rule over me. And so I would be a hypocrite if I were to assume authority over another man to tell them what they can or can’t do with their own body. That’s the best way I know how to ‘love my neighbor’ whom I’ve never met. Is to give them the room and freedom to work out this life how they see best and not impose my personal beliefs on them.

We will all be judged as individuals (or islands *dennis) and it will all work out just fine for everyone when it’s all done. Until then I will make it my ambition to lead a quite life, work with my hands, and mind my business.

As far as cannabis being harmful... there are just too many variables to be able to make a blanket statement like that. It’s probably more true to say that cannabis is harmful to some people.. sometimes. And also that cannabis is harmless to some people.. sometimes. And even still that cannabis is beneficial for some people.. sometimes.

What is harmful, though, is using the power of the government (which is violence) to try and rule over your neighbor.. (sometimes or all the time, I don’t know.)
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: John from Kentucky on December 05, 2018, 06:51:52 PM
We do not have free will or freedom to do this or that.

All that we do, we are compelled to do by forces which we do not control.

Only Jesus can set us free from sin.  Only then are we free.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: rumpelstiltskin on December 10, 2018, 04:16:50 PM
Back in the 80's Cannabis was 10% as powerful as it is today.

Nope !

The cops have no test to give high drivers

Yes there is - cops do it in Australia all the time now
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Dennis Vogel on December 10, 2018, 07:00:44 PM
All I know is what I hear: https://www.businessinsider.com/is-weed-stronger-today-than-the-80s-2015-10 (https://www.businessinsider.com/is-weed-stronger-today-than-the-80s-2015-10)
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: rumpelstiltskin on December 10, 2018, 07:47:09 PM
It’s ok Dennis , but cannabis has now been so over breed,cross germinated into hybrids that are given fancy names like ;
Girl Scout cookies
Green crack
Chimp glue
Bubble gum
Blueberry
Durban poison
Crown royale
And hundreds of other strains which some are ok , However in my opinion the landrace strains are much much better but no longer available . In the end making cannabis legal is really all about the money- hence the hundreds of strains 🙂
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Arion on December 10, 2018, 09:02:33 PM
Yeah, they just legalized the stuff in Michigan.  I know I don't want anything to do with it and frankly some of the people I know are loopy enough without it.  From what I know though there are some medical benefits for cancer patients and being a plant it probably isn't more harmful than some of those chemicals they come up with.  And of course State government is just thinking about all the money they can make by taxing the stuff.  I don't see any good coming from it but OTOH we saw how effective prohibition was back in the 1920's.  If people want the stuff they'll find a way to get it law or no law.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: indianabob on December 11, 2018, 04:08:17 PM
Just a simple opinion based on 83 years of living.

A major problem is that well intentioned people who make and enforce laws, even church people, are trying to HELP drug users/offenders by putting them in jails with career criminals where they can study advanced ways to avoid being caught. At the same time mental health facilities are being closed due to the expense of operation under health care insurance regulations. Police departments are being overwhelmed with excessive time being spent on 2-5 grams of weed being confiscated and logged into police records etc. while more serious crimes are understandably ignored. People arrested for minor crimes are being held over for trial for weeks because they didn't have a $500.00 bond to post or a relative to lend them the money.

Correction of individuals works only when administered with real/sincere loving care with personal examples. No set of laws, not even God's laws will work effectively when applied outside of a concerned family environment.

We arrest and confine people who don't think like we believe they should so that we don't have to deal with them in our daily lives. Yes they are a problem, but putting them away and out of site is the cowards way of pretending to help.

Ole Bob  ::)
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Post by: lareli on December 11, 2018, 04:35:27 PM
All I know is what I hear: https://www.businessinsider.com/is-weed-stronger-today-than-the-80s-2015-10 (https://www.businessinsider.com/is-weed-stronger-today-than-the-80s-2015-10)

This article is inconclusive isn’t it? The only thing they are confident about is that THC levels are higher today than in the 70’s. How much higher is not clear and the results are too inconsistent. Regardless. Words like ‘stronger’ ‘more potent’ are not in any way synonymous with ‘harmful’ or ‘dangerous’.

But that is how propaganda works.

“All I know is what I hear”? Really?

In the 1920’s you would’ve heard that marijuana makes negroes think they’re as good as white men.. you would’ve heard that one puff of the marijuana will turn your loved one into a ravenous murdering lunatic.. Just 50 years ago “True Physicians” (as JFK calls them) would’ve told you it’s completely harmless for your pregnant wife to smoke a pack of cigarettes a day..



Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: lareli on January 25, 2019, 04:51:29 PM
“Drugs” is an interesting word. Propaganda has turned “drugs” into a “bad” word. But alcohol is a drug, and no one will dispute that fact.

That means Jesus was a drug supplier.

Not only is alcohol a drug.. it is the most dangerous and destructive drug ever known to man. Alcohol is involved in more violent crimes, rapes, murders, robberies, spousal/child abuse, and divorce, than any other drug.. yet Jesus supplied barrels of it. “The good stuff” too, not just grape juice.

Why? Honest question..
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Wanda on January 26, 2019, 01:20:32 PM
There is so much symbolism tied up in this wedding  narrative, where Jesus performed his first miracle and turned water into wine, but it's not possible to include them all in a comment. However, I'll try to summarize some important aspects

For Jews, the marriage covenant symbolically represents the covenant between God and his people, and has very significant meaning to our understanding of the relationship between Christ and the Church today.

There is  symbolism for the calling out of the physical nation of Israel, the sacrifice of the  Messiah, and the drawing out of people who would make up the body of the Church. This wedding correlates to mankind’s redemption. It shows that Christ is pivotal to the plan of salvation.

The wedding depicts God's covenant in progress. Running out of wine  alludes to the Old Covenant  animal sacrifices coming to an end, and the new wine portrays the new covenant that the Church partakes of.

Reading the account in John 2:1-11 every detail of this wedding  has great significance, from the invitation to the wedding, to the purification vessels.

It was not a coincidence that the water Jesus transformed came from jars used for ceremonial washing. The water signified the Jewish system of purification, and Jesus replaced it with pure wine, representing his spotless blood that would wash away our sins.







Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: indianabob on January 26, 2019, 01:21:22 PM

Good day Lareli,

Why invent and supply to mankind an edible food that can be fermented into 10% alcohol?  ::)

Well, I suppose it could lead to discernment of good and evil, based upon learning to understand cause and effect. After all God did lead Eve and Adam into the center of the garden paradise to taste the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So I must assume that God intends for us to be tested and learn from our various experiences.

The scripture teaches that someday we will be judging angels so it would seem to follow that we need to learn righteous judgment to a small degree in this life if we ever expect to mature. Alcohol can also be used as a disinfectant to cleanse a wound and wine can be converted into vinegar to enhance the taste of other foods. It is a matter of practicing sound judgment and we often miss the target so we have to expect to practice more. There are many opportunities in life to learn "moderation".

God put in front of us many experiences that can teach and we need to learn about evil results so that we can more readily appreciate good results. Yes life can be hard, but that is what our creator put before us for our eventual benefit.

Indiana Bob




“Drugs” is an interesting word. Propaganda has turned “drugs” into a “bad” word. But alcohol is a drug, and no one will dispute that fact.

That means Jesus was a drug supplier.

Not only is alcohol a drug.. it is the most dangerous and destructive drug ever known to man. Alcohol is involved in more violent crimes, rapes, murders, robberies, spousal/child abuse, and divorce, than any other drug.. yet Jesus supplied barrels of it. “The good stuff” too, not just grape juice.

Why? Honest question..
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Post by: Dave in Tenn on January 26, 2019, 02:28:16 PM
Bob said much of what I was thinking, and better.  But I'll tack a bit on.

There's a "sweet spot" in consuming alcohol that diminishes inhibitions just enough to allow people to let down their natural guard and worries and enjoy the company of others.  But in many people, and especially when over-consumed, this reduction in self-control reveals aspects of character that should be self-controlled.  Selfishness, violence, fear, hate, aggression.  In these ways, it is a parable of Holy Spirit.  Who knows what resides deep in the hearts of men?  He does, and he shows it to us as we are prepared to see it.

That is the working of the grace of God in our lives and His gifts to us in like manner but more-so than barrels of fermented grape juice at a wedding. 

"Be not drunk with wine, but be filled with Holy Spirit."

 
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Wanda on January 26, 2019, 03:34:05 PM
Well Lareli, once again I fall short on understanding the simplicity of your question. When will I learn🤔
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: lareli on February 05, 2019, 04:48:58 PM
Bob said much of what I was thinking, and better.  But I'll tack a bit on.

There's a "sweet spot" in consuming alcohol that diminishes inhibitions just enough to allow people to let down their natural guard and worries and enjoy the company of others.  But in many people, and especially when over-consumed, this reduction in self-control reveals aspects of character that should be self-controlled.  Selfishness, violence, fear, hate, aggression.  In these ways, it is a parable of Holy Spirit.  Who knows what resides deep in the hearts of men?  He does, and he shows it to us as we are prepared to see it.

That is the working of the grace of God in our lives and His gifts to us in like manner but more-so than barrels of fermented grape juice at a wedding. 

"Be not drunk with wine, but be filled with Holy Spirit."

 

I don’t disagree but I find it incredibly interesting that the single most destructive drug known to man is a parable of the Holy Spirit.

Makes me wonder if, in this context, alcohol as a naturally occurring drug is also representative of all the less harmful naturally occurring mind altering substances.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Porter on February 06, 2019, 01:22:46 AM
I wonder if maybe what it really comes down to is the motivations, the thoughts and or the intents of the heart? Isn't that where sin starts, in the heart and mind? Not that I think anyone is sinning if they do drugs or alcohol as I really don't care cause it's none of my business. However, I Am very interested in how I process external or even internal information in my heart and mind.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Joel on February 06, 2019, 12:40:30 PM
Jesus has a way of narrowing things down.
Matthew 11:18-For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say , He hath a devil.
19-The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

Joel
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: indianabob on February 08, 2019, 01:24:17 PM
Hi folks,
A friend sent this article to me as published by Hillsdale College in Michigan. I believe it is helpful in coming to understand the full impact of cannabis on the general population of America.
Please read it as time permits and comment if you wish.

Moderators let me know if the article is approved, thank you.

https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/marijuana-mental-illness-violence/
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: lareli on February 08, 2019, 05:01:46 PM
The miracle of Jesus taking water and turning it into the most dangerous and harmful mind altering drug the world has ever known, teaches me (among many other deep spiritual things) that there is a time and place for consuming the lesser harmful mind altering drugs.

Bob I didn’t read the whole article but I’ve watched several hours of documentaries that address the claims of schizophrenia being caused by marijuana.. it seems to be more complicated than this article leads on... but assuming it were true, how would you think marijuana compares to alcohol in its role in violent crimes, rapes, spousal abuse, child abuse, mental illness, accidental deaths, overdoses, etc? Or how would marijuana compare to alcohol in its reported ability to improve the quality of life in people suffering from depression, ptsd, anxiety, etc?

Has anyone ever heard of alcohol improving the quality of life in people who are suffering?
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: John from Kentucky on February 08, 2019, 05:44:22 PM
The moderate use of wine and other alcoholic drinks are blessed by God and the Scriptures.  It is the misuse of alcohol that is condemned.

Which is why the use of marijuana and other illicit drugs is a sin because the users take these drugs to become intoxicated out of their minds.  They feel guilty for their sins so they vainly attempt to justify their actions to others, without success.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: friendofJC on February 08, 2019, 07:27:09 PM
This paper Ray wrote could just as well been on Cannabis if one can see the principles. https://bible-truths.com/homosex.htm
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Ricky on February 09, 2019, 05:39:24 PM
What goes into the body  does not make it unclean for worship. Booze  drugs  food etc.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: lareli on February 10, 2019, 01:28:43 AM
The moderate use of wine and other alcoholic drinks are blessed by God and the Scriptures.  It is the misuse of alcohol that is condemned.

Which is why the use of marijuana and other illicit drugs is a sin because the users take these drugs to become intoxicated out of their minds.  They feel guilty for their sins so they vainly attempt to justify their actions to others, without success.

Interesting choice of words. “Intoxicated out of their minds”.... “guilty for their sins”...


I take cannabis to go deeper into my mind.. not out of it.

And yes, it does sometimes make me feel guilty for my sins.. and it also leads me to repentance for those sins, none of which are the act of consuming cannabis, as scripture tells us that it’s not what you put in your body that is sin but what comes out of your heart.

Cannabis acts to me as a tool that awakens the judge within. The judge acts like a mirror revealing  ‘me’ (my motives, my beliefs, my intentions, my doubts and insecurities) to ‘myself’.. which will at times lead me to confirmation, revelation or to repentance of sins that lay deep in the subconscious.

Scripture says that repentance is a gift from God. Scripture also says that we should judge and examine ourselves now so that we are not judged later. In this regard, cannabis for me is like a spiritual microscope helping me to examine myself.. are you prepared to call this evil?
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: indianabob on February 10, 2019, 11:21:35 AM
Hi Folks,

We need to understand that our freedom has attached responsibilities in regard to others who observe our freedoms and try to handle them carelessly.

Bob

1 Corinthians 8:9
Be careful, however, that your freedom does not become a stumbling block to the weak.


 Gal 5:13 For you, brothers, were called to freedom; but do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh. Rather, serve one another in love. 14 The entire law is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”…

= =
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: lareli on February 14, 2019, 12:12:01 PM
Hi folks,
A friend sent this article to me as published by Hillsdale College in Michigan. I believe it is helpful in coming to understand the full impact of cannabis on the general population of America.
Please read it as time permits and comment if you wish.

Moderators let me know if the article is approved, thank you.

https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/marijuana-mental-illness-violence/

Bob the author of the article you linked to was on The Joe Rogan podcast yesterday to discuss/debate his book with a Dr. on the topic.

You get a bigger and more accurate picture of the dangers and misconceptions of marijuana when you get two people from opposing view points to have a 2 and a half hour discussion where they cite scientific and medical studies more than you’d get from reading only an article written by one side.

ML you started this thread asking about the dangers of marijuana. You could listen to the podcast and get a lot of information enough to intelligently form your own opinion. It’s better than reading a couple of anonymous people argue on a discussion board.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YHwSmwEwmV4
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Heidi on February 23, 2019, 08:02:11 PM
Having read this post from pillar to post, I would like to ask one thing and that is, "can you stop smoking cannabis or drink alcohol even for a day, a week, a month without withdrawal symptoms?  And if not, has it not become an idol of the heart?  Lust of the flesh and pride of life?

Heidi
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: lareli on February 25, 2019, 05:15:56 PM
Having read this post from pillar to post, I would like to ask one thing and that is, "can you stop smoking cannabis or drink alcohol even for a day, a week, a month without withdrawal symptoms?  And if not, has it not become an idol of the heart?  Lust of the flesh and pride of life?

Heidi

I only drink one cup of coffee a day on my way to work. Not much by anyone’s standards, but if I give up coffee then by day two I will have a nasty headache, poor energy and irritable attitude and it can last for days.. yet every Christian I know is addicted to it. I jokingly refer to coffee as “Christian Crack” sometimes, because caffeine is a drug and these are very real drug withdrawals. But Christians don’t think of themselves as drug addicts. But they are drug addicts if they can’t quit coffee without getting a headache.

Cannabis. At least twice a month I’ll go a couple of days without it just because I get busy with work or family. I get so busy that I don’t even realize that I have gone two days without it until I look back. Never experienced any physical withdrawal or psychological craving. That doesn’t mean it can’t become an idol though.

Physical addiction is a sign that we’re humans and subject to the laws of our biology.. it’s not a sure fire sign of something being an idol though. In my opinion.






Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Musterseed on February 25, 2019, 10:06:41 PM
I live in the province that has the most smokers of pot in all of Canada. It’s also the poorest
province. Make no wonder they are all so laid back.😂😂🤪
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: indianabob on February 25, 2019, 11:40:58 PM
Hi Pamela,

I used to smoke cigarettes. :o
I had a routine of smacking the pack on my hand and then flipping up to take a cigarette out of the pack with my lips and then pulling out my Zippo lighter and flipping up the lid with one hand and striking the flint wheel with a snap of my fingers to show my manual dexterity etc. etc. Even did it that way when no one was around to see.

Quit in 1965 because I was so sick with chest cold that I couldn't work.
It felt so much better that I never went back...and I suspect that God had a hand in that.

Today I think that I can understand that some folks want or need relief from pain or tensions etc.
Still cannot however understand why inhaling smoking leaves into your lungs with all the coughing and hacking in the morning when you rise to start a new day. That seems like more of a habit than an addiction, especially when one can take the drug in an oil or pill form to get relief.
What am I missing or misunderstanding?
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Musterseed on February 26, 2019, 12:36:36 AM
Hi Ibob
I smoked a pack of cigs a day until three years ago. I prayed for help, it was so gross.
I don’t know why I smoked . I started stealing them from my mother when I was
13. I guess I wanted to be cool like my friends and besides , the TV people said it was ok.
Everyone I knew smoked. I quit once for three years. I quit lots of times. I was a professional quitter. After so much of it , it becomes a habit , coffee and smoke for breakfast, plus women were told it helps to lose weight. There were all kinds of excuses . I will quit on Monday.😂😂😂
I used to like the smell of Zippos.😆😂😂
As for weed, well,mostly all my friends were stoners, i smoked it but it always made me
paranoid , but even that didn’t make me quit smoking it. I gradually stopped though.
Our only reason to smoke pot back in those days , to be honest, was to get stoned. It affects
everyone differently I think. People smoke it instead of pill form because it hits the brain faster🤪
so I was told the very first time I tried it. Yep, right to the brain.
Goodnight my friend , sleep peacefully in Christ. ❤️ Pamela
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Wanda on February 27, 2019, 03:22:13 PM
I see the cannabis thread has turned into a confessional 😁

In my experience, cigarettes are much more than a habit. Some experts have reported quitting is harder than getting off heroine. I wouldn't know about that, but I experienced both physical and mental pain from withdrawal by day 3, that was so intense I cried out to God for help.  I started smoking at age 16, because it was the cool thing to do at the time. You know what they say, young and dumb.

I agree with Lareli, caffeine is also addictive, having experienced the headaches, mental fog and general feelings of overall physical pain, when I can't start the day with my favorite cup a Joe. I love it so much I once wrote a poem about it. I try not to think of a time it may not be available, I'll face that demon if necessary I'm sure.

I was 20 before I smoked pot. I grew up in a generation gone wild. Sex, drugs and rock-n-roll, It was the true age of stoners, everything from pot, LSD, mushrooms, cough syrup with codeine, airplane glue, and huffing paint thinner. Not a pretty sight to see so many out of control and wasted people, didn't make me want to participate.  :o

I did finally succumb to smoking some pot though and like Pamela, it made me paranoid, so much so I begged my friends to take me to the hospital. There was a saying at the time, "better to be dead than square ", not me, I was happier being square. Besides, I still had my coffee and cigs. Now it's just coffee.

Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Musterseed on February 27, 2019, 04:04:41 PM
You wrote a poem about your coffee ☕️ 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.
I thought I was weird.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂💕❤️🤪
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Wanda on February 27, 2019, 04:47:30 PM
You wrote a poem about your coffee ☕️ .
I thought I was weird.❤️

Weird?  Perhaps, but I prefer to think it being clever.

Ode to my Joe ☕

Rich dark and steamy too nothing compares to the aroma of you.

Oh the bliss of you on my lips is like silk
But of course, only if you contain milk.

You always give me a jolt of delight
But alas I cannot consume you at night

I will always be content to share my mornings though
Oh how I love you in my cup Joe.





Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Musterseed on February 27, 2019, 05:50:18 PM
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHA😂😂😂😂😂☕️
you always give me a jolt  of delight
 But alas I cannot consume you at night, hahaha, that is clever.💕
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Wanda on February 27, 2019, 05:59:23 PM
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHA😂😂😂😂😂☕️
you always give me a jolt  of delight
 But alas I cannot consume you at night, hahaha, that is clever.💕

Haha, but you're right, I am weird.😋
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: indianabob on February 28, 2019, 01:37:05 AM
You girls, I mean ladies, are making me blush.

Thanks I guess,  ;) ::)
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Musterseed on March 11, 2019, 01:11:48 PM
Check out SPROUTLY ,,,New Water Soluble Technology for cannibis.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: lareli on March 19, 2019, 11:08:05 AM
Why is paranoia such a common effect of cannabis consumption?

For myself I think it’s due to a hieghtened sense of consciousness or a heightened sense of awareness of the reality in which I am living and my place in this reality. Ultimately it’s a heightened sense of awareness that I am vulnerable and that I am going to die one day and that day could be today!

For myself if I resist this heightened sense of consciousness/ awareness then the paranoia intensifies.. if I accept It, then I can move on from the sudden revelation of certain death and I can begin to be confronted with other realities about myself that I would otherwise ignore had it not been for this sudden heightened awareness of myself.

I read a poet from the 1800’s describe cannabis as “a magnifying mirror reflecting mans deepest thoughts.” To me, the thought that I am vulnerable to death is the deepest of all thoughts.. all self consciousness, all self awareness begins with this thought. It was perhaps even the very first conscious thought that Adam and Eve experienced!


Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: indianabob on March 19, 2019, 11:51:01 AM
Lareli,

The conscious thought to which you refer may be found in Gen 3:10 where Adam was afraid of God's presence, but the first conscious thought was likely long before that.
Adam lived for many days before noticing that he was alone and then many days with Eve, enjoying the companionship with her before the temptation. I'm sure that they both had many conscious thoughts pertaining to their existence before God made them aware that they would be dying as described in Gen 3:19 and continuing.

Indianabob
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: John from Kentucky on March 20, 2019, 12:22:13 AM
I am getting sick of the open acceptance of sin by many who post on this topic.

It is an unacceptable sin to rely on taking illegal drugs instead of relying on the Spirit of God.

Enough is enough on this foolishness.

The Church in Corinth accepted a member who had sex with his stepmother.
The false members wanted to show how much fake love they had by accepting the sinner in their midst.  Paul had to kick some rear ends to correct that problem.

It makes me ashamed to be a member of this Forum that accepts sin.

What a poor example we are setting for those new and weak in the faith.

Would Ray have put up with this nonsense?

I am a sinner, but I don't ask others to accept my sins as good.

Thousands of websites I can go to to learn untruth and lies.

Enough is enough.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Dennis Vogel on March 20, 2019, 12:41:46 PM
1Ti 5:23  Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

A 'little' wine means just a little, not a lot. Why? Because we do stupid things when we are not in control.

Physicians are mentioned many times in the bible so I don't think every medication is wrong.

But I know you will pay the price for anything that raises serotonin in your brain because when you get off the drug you are more depressed than when you first took the drug.

I don't have a problem with marijuana when used as a drug if it does not get you high.

"A powerful new form of medical marijuana, without the high"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/a-powerful-new-form-of-medical-marijuana-without-the-high/2016/12/29/81bbf7c0-b5b2-11e6-b8df-600bd9d38a02_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f3ccb65fbcba (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/a-powerful-new-form-of-medical-marijuana-without-the-high/2016/12/29/81bbf7c0-b5b2-11e6-b8df-600bd9d38a02_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f3ccb65fbcba)

I cannot speak from experience about Cannabis. But if it alters your mind that's not a good thing. Especially if it opens your mind to outside forces.

The bible does not speak kindly about sorcery and pharmakeia.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: indianabob on March 20, 2019, 01:34:02 PM
Well said Dennis and helpful for our better understanding.
Thanks, Indianabob
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: indianabob on March 20, 2019, 02:15:34 PM
Hi folks,
As long as we are discussing practicing Moderation in all things, you may find this article helpful to our understanding.
I cannot vouch for the author's facts, but from my own experience they seem reliable.
Bob

http://branscome.org/Wine.htm

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1Ti 5:23  Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

A 'little' wine means just a little, not a lot. Why? Because we do stupid things when we are not in control.

Physicians are mentioned many times in the bible so I don't think every medication is wrong.

But I know you will pay the price for anything that raises serotonin in your brain because when you get off the drug you are more depressed than when you first took the drug.

I don't have a problem with marijuana when used as a drug if it does not get you high.

"A powerful new form of medical marijuana, without the high"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/a-powerful-new-form-of-medical-marijuana-without-the-high/2016/12/29/81bbf7c0-b5b2-11e6-b8df-600bd9d38a02_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f3ccb65fbcba (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/a-powerful-new-form-of-medical-marijuana-without-the-high/2016/12/29/81bbf7c0-b5b2-11e6-b8df-600bd9d38a02_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f3ccb65fbcba)

I cannot speak from experience about Cannabis. But if it alters your mind that's not a good thing. Especially if it opens your mind to outside forces.

The bible does not speak kindly about sorcery and pharmakeia.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Wanda on March 20, 2019, 02:55:19 PM
Quote
But I know you will pay the price for anything that raises serotonin in your brain because when you get off the drug you are more depressed than when you first took the drug.

One of my brothers suffered with crippling depression as a result of smoking marijuana almost everyday as a teen. Before this, he was one of the happest outgoing people I knew. Once in his mid 20's it had altered the way his body naturally  produced serotonin, leaving him with depression so bad he wanted to die. He eventually reached out for professional help,  and was given psychotropic drugs, that worked temporarily, but they just reduced the serotonin production even more.

When he was 36, he could no longer endure the emotional darkness that had become his life , and he killed himself. My nephew is battling the same issue. There are millions of people, who are not able to cope with the harsh realities of life, turning to these drugs to cope, is only making things worse for them  unfortunately. For me, there was nothing worse than seeing the pain on the faces of loved ones, who believed death was the only way out. Now I'm  faced with the possibility my nephew might take his life as well.

Trying to defend the use of a drug that can and does have the ability to devastate lives, is in my opinion,  done without accepting all the facts. All of these drugs that affect the bodies natural ability to produce serotonin are dangerous.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Wanda on March 20, 2019, 03:54:54 PM
In addition.


Marijuana—At low doses, marijuana increases serotonin levels. Paradoxically, at high doses, it causes a major serotonin depletion, making it more likely the user will need antidepressants. It is also important to note that when marijuana is smoked it is difficult to accurately measure the dosage.

https://www.northpointrecovery.com/blog/serotonin-syndrome-much-good-thing/
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Dave in Tenn on March 20, 2019, 07:43:13 PM
2Co_5:13  For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause.
1Th_5:6  Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
1Th_5:8  But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
1Ti_3:2  A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti_3:11  Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
Tit_1:8  But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
Tit_2:2  That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
Tit_2:4  That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Tit_2:6  Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.
1Pe_1:13  Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1Pe_4:7  But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
1Pe_5:8  Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

My experience with marijuana is neither broad nor deep, but I've known enough people to whom it has been to know that the "failure to get high" is not the desired effect. 

Be not drunk with wine (nor high on marijuana) but be filled with Holy Spirit. 

Whatever benefits we might allege as young people (true, or simply as justification) can really only be seen in hindsight...even if that hindsight occurs the next morning.  I "learned" everything I needed to know about and from being high the first time.  Decades later, I still have enough sense memory to "relive" those moments without "reliving" those experiences, should the need arise.  Time to move on.  It was what it was.  But now is a new adventure, and one to be faced soberly.

We're all going to do what we do until we don't any more.  If it's good (and sobriety is) than better sooner than later.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Dennis Vogel on March 21, 2019, 12:22:50 PM
Just saw this: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/03/19/704948217/daily-marijuana-use-and-highly-potent-weed-linked-to-psychosis (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/03/19/704948217/daily-marijuana-use-and-highly-potent-weed-linked-to-psychosis)
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: lareli on March 22, 2019, 01:27:55 PM
Lareli,

The conscious thought to which you refer may be found in Gen 3:10 where Adam was afraid of God's presence, but the first conscious thought was likely long before that.
Adam lived for many days before noticing that he was alone and then many days with Eve, enjoying the companionship with her before the temptation. I'm sure that they both had many conscious thoughts pertaining to their existence before God made them aware that they would be dying as described in Gen 3:19 and continuing.

Indianabob

Maybe you’re right but I’m not so sure Bob. After all their eyes were not even open until Gen 3:7.

Sure, prior to them disobeying God they had ‘thoughts’ but that doesn’t at all mean that they were self aware.

Their first ‘eyes open’ thoughts were realizing that they were vulnerable (naked) to death. Not just that they were vulnerable (naked) to death but that death was a foregone conclusion. No matter what happens in their temporary life, it will ultimately end in death.

You said Adam enjoyed companionship with Eve prior to Gen 7. How so? His eyes were closed. He had no contrast of good and evil, but you think he had joy which would mean he had to have contrast of joy and sorrow? Remember it was God not Adam, who said it is not good for man to be alone. Adam didn’t suggest it nor (consciously) desire it.. at least not in the scriptures.

Was it ‘good’ or was it ‘evil’ for man to be self conscious and self aware..
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: indianabob on March 22, 2019, 02:54:50 PM
Dear friend Lareli,

Appreciate your reply.
Personally I had lots of "thoughts" about girls, women, adventures of many kinds before I found and married my lovely wife.
Then many of my thoughts were able to be expressed toward and with her.
I didn't have my spiritual eyes opened until many years after marriage and children and life in general.
So frankly I'm not sure I understand what you mean about Adam not being self aware.
It is not like they took the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good/evil the next day after Eve was awakened, was it??

Please explain further if you wish. Thanks, bob
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: lareli on March 27, 2019, 10:21:18 AM
Dear friend Lareli,

Appreciate your reply.
Personally I had lots of "thoughts" about girls, women, adventures of many kinds before I found and married my lovely wife.
Then many of my thoughts were able to be expressed toward and with her.
I didn't have my spiritual eyes opened until many years after marriage and children and life in general.
So frankly I'm not sure I understand what you mean about Adam not being self aware.
It is not like they took the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good/evil the next day after Eve was awakened, was it??

Please explain further if you wish. Thanks, bob

I’ll try Bob, but honestly I’m working out my own thoughts as we move along in this conversation.

A question of my own that maybe you could help with is.. In the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, what does the knowledge of good and evil symbolize if not consciousness itself?

Before your spiritual eyes were opened you were still aware of the fact that you were going to die weren’t you? Adam was not aware that he was mortal until he ate the fruit. Do you think he was actually immortal before he ate? Remember he hadn’t ever eaten from the tree of life to “live for ever”.

He didn’t have reasoning capabilities to even know he was mortal. Even animals know they are vulnerable to death and animals aren’t considered to be self aware, self conscious beings.

Correct me if Im wrong but Ray taught that Adam was always mortal and never ‘perfect’ and immortal before eating the forbidden fruit, correct? Can anyone post the link to where Ray talked about this?
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Musterseed on March 27, 2019, 10:51:58 AM
Hi Largell
Hope you are well. The subject you are looking for is in the audio . What is Gods will for you.
I just happened to listen to it last night.

In Christ, Pamela
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Wanda on March 27, 2019, 04:19:30 PM
Just saw this: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/03/19/704948217/daily-marijuana-use-and-highly-potent-weed-linked-to-psychosis (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/03/19/704948217/daily-marijuana-use-and-highly-potent-weed-linked-to-psychosis)

Thanks Dennis! 

My nephew suffered with three episodes of psychosis in one year. During one of those he ran away and was missing for almost three months before being found. He was terrified and had been hiding in a shed on an elderly  women's property. We could never figure out what had suddenly caused these psychotic  issues, and this info has been most helpful.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: lareli on April 16, 2019, 11:42:58 AM
I am getting sick of the open acceptance of sin by many who post on this topic.

It is an unacceptable sin to rely on taking illegal drugs instead of relying on the Spirit of God.

Enough is enough on this foolishness.

The Church in Corinth accepted a member who had sex with his stepmother.
The false members wanted to show how much fake love they had by accepting the sinner in their midst.  Paul had to kick some rear ends to correct that problem.

It makes me ashamed to be a member of this Forum that accepts sin.

What a poor example we are setting for those new and weak in the faith.

Would Ray have put up with this nonsense?

I am a sinner, but I don't ask others to accept my sins as good.

Thousands of websites I can go to to learn untruth and lies.

Enough is enough.

Wow. So consuming cannabis is like having sex with your step mother? That is your judgment and your “example” for those new and weak in the faith? You do realize that there are pot smokers among those new members don’t you?

I don’t think this issue is so black and white as you make it. Some people should not use cannabis while others may benefit spiritually as I have. God has blessed some and cursed others using the same tool and you do not approve of His ways.

If anyone can site where Ray taught that even Satan will be saved, I would be most appreciative as I believe this shows that nothing is black and white. If there is anything salvageable in Satan.
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: indianabob on April 16, 2019, 10:10:47 PM
Hi again Lareli,

Not sure I understand all of the terms being used in this discussion so take my words with a teaspoon of sugar to sweeten them. (smile)

1. True, there is nothing salvageable in Satan. God will give Satan a new heart or basic composition; after Satan is corrected as an example to the celestial realm. (?) As you may agree, there is NOTHING impossible for our God.

2. Similarly there is nothing salvageable in me either.
When God changes me/us to spirit composition all we will have of the former self is whatever memory God allows to retain.
My birth date and my wedding anniversary for sure... ::)

There is nothing we have accomplished in this life that is worth saving. No one gets reward based upon their accomplishment.
Because it is completely God's accomplishment IN us.

Hey, we don't even know what type of vessel God is forming us into.
We may be interned/trained for something really high above our expectations.
I'm keeping in mind that even Celestial beings will be amazed and thrilled at what God has made of me. ;)
Title: Re: Cannabis being legalized...
Post by: Dave in Tenn on April 16, 2019, 11:03:36 PM
A good ending place.