=> Email to Ray => Topic started by: Craig on April 10, 2006, 02:49:22 PM

Title: Trinity
Post by: Craig on April 10, 2006, 02:49:22 PM
Ray, I'm debating the trinity doctrine with a guy who gave me this scripture amongst others saying Jesus is God. I can deal with the deity and God things, but here it's calling him Father. What do you think about it? I wish the Concordant had the Old Testament. Thanks again for all you help.
Isaiah 9:6
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon [1] his shoulder,
and his name shall be called [2]
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Dear Tom:
I'm afraid the Concordant Old Testament would be of little help to you in this case, as they do not translate "everlasting Father" at all. They leave it completely out of their translations.
Actually it is the "Father of futurity" or the "Father of progress," in the Hebrew. Nonetheless, Jesus is still called "Father."  This is because Jesus has many roles: mother and father; brother; friend; hustand; etc. I could give you Scriptures for all of these, but I don't have the time.
The fact that Jesus is like a Father has absolutely nothing to do with the trinity theory. Jesus is not HIS OWN FATHER, as He was conceived by Another, not  Himself. Likewise, He prayed to Another, not Himself, and He was raised from the dead by Another, not Himself, and He will be eternally subject to His Father and His God (I Cor. 15:25-28).
God be with you,