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Title: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: winner08 on September 22, 2008, 09:02:03 PM
I was going back and forth with this guy on the subject of evil How he said that if we do not have free choices that God is responsible for all the evils that we do. Of course I corrected him real quick. I told him that God is responsible for creating our circumstances and we are responsible for the choices we make in those circumstances. Of course this he did not believe. He believes in Hell and free will and we choose to accept God or not. Anyway he said something that I never heard before and that is that Cain is the son of Satan himself. That Satan had sex with Eve and produce a baby devil(Cain) Now this I had a hard time with. How could anybody can believe that kind of garbage? He gave me about a page worth of his opinions and not one scriptural truth. I told him so. I told him to prove it to me with scripture show me chapter and verse, then I will believe. He hasn't even written back.

Darren
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: Marlene on September 22, 2008, 09:38:51 PM
Hello, I have heard people like that before. Its sad but they are so wrong and blind. Maybe some time god will take there blindess away. He probably knows he can't stand up to truth.
God Bless
marlene
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: musicman on September 22, 2008, 09:39:01 PM
Ask him if Baby Cain had little horns on his head.
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: EKnight on September 22, 2008, 10:44:24 PM
Now now longhorn, I'm sure you've learned a lot from your past relationship.  Quite frankly, I think the devil has spawned quite a few babies.  :)

Eileen
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: Jackie Lee on September 22, 2008, 11:22:35 PM
There is a man from Arkansas that teaches what Darren speaks, Arnold Murray.
He says since Cain has no geneology recorded from Adam and Eve he is the Devils son.
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: winner08 on September 23, 2008, 01:31:01 AM
Amrhrasach: what does that mean?
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: WhoAmI on September 23, 2008, 04:21:43 AM
Yeah I have heard all that before. The churches hate sex it seems so any chance they can get to connect sex with the devil they do. I guess the devil was the original dead beat dad then.


Jeff
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: firefly77 on September 23, 2008, 03:20:32 PM
Yeah I have heard all that before. The churches hate sex it seems so any chance they can get to connect sex with the devil they do. I guess the devil was the original dead beat dad then.


Jeff

Lol... You made my day...ROTFL! ;D

Angie
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: aqrinc on September 23, 2008, 03:27:21 PM
Church history anyone (sheila Na Gigs), the church did not hate sex it worships sex in every perverted form but does well to hide it with high sounding words.

See: http://bible-truths.com/lake7.html
more: http://bible-truths.com/lake16-B.html   

In Truth. George.

Yeah I have heard all that before. The churches hate sex it seems so any chance they can get to connect sex with the devil they do. I guess the devil was the original dead beat dad then.


Jeff
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: chuckt on September 23, 2008, 03:52:26 PM
1Jo 3:12 Not as Cain, [who] was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

why did cain slay abel?? why was cain ""of the wicked one"""

Because his own works were evil

the whole serpent seed doctrine is a crock.

cain = carnality, earthly minded.

abel = spiritual heavenly minded.


peace
chuckt


Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: WhoAmI on September 24, 2008, 03:53:26 AM
Church history anyone (sheila Na Gigs), the church did not hate sex it worships sex in every perverted form but does well to hide it with high sounding words.

See: http://bible-truths.com/lake7.html
more: http://bible-truths.com/lake16-B.html   

In Truth. George.

Yeah I have heard all that before. The churches hate sex it seems so any chance they can get to connect sex with the devil they do. I guess the devil was the original dead beat dad then.


Jeff

That changes nothing. Your speaking about people who try to speak from both extremes. Example: God is love, God will burn most of all humanity in hell. It is the same with this subject. I know without a doubt how my history with many different churches beat down sex or anything related to it. Your beat down for even having feelings! And even people who say they are "free" then try to excuse themselves from these things by getting "married." As they and others continually look at these things from a physical standpoint they will not see the spiritual application. They will continue to try to be non human to prove they are holy or favored of God.

Jeff
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: faith2faith on September 25, 2008, 09:42:47 PM
Hi ChuckyT!!!

Um can you please enlighten us how the serpent seed doctrine is croock???

there must be something wrong with my bible because God said to the serpent; And i will put enmity between you and the women, and between your offspring and her offspring; Gen 3:15.

a little light on your theory please!!

peace, mercy, grace.
trish

   
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: faith2faith on September 25, 2008, 11:41:06 PM
Amrharasach!!!!

I quote you; Again, to use what i like to call a * ray-ism* (oh really?)

I'v never did like the term (oh really) it reminds me of what the serpent said to Eve!!!
Gen 3:1
even though it's written Did God really; it's know diffrent then oh really.



just add my 5c bless you :)
peace/mercy and grace.
trish.
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: chuckt on September 26, 2008, 09:12:43 AM
Hi ChuckyT!!!

Um can you please enlighten us how the serpent seed doctrine is croock???

there must be something wrong with my bible because God said to the serpent; And i will put enmity between you and the women, and between your offspring and her offspring; Gen 3:15.

a little light on your theory please!!

peace, mercy, grace.
trish

   


Hi trish, hope all is well with you.

you might have misunderstood me, or i wasnt clear.

Serpent seed is a controversial doctrinal teaching that the serpent in the Garden of Eden had sexual intercourse with Eve, and that Cain was the offspring of the union. Major proponents include Daniel Parker (1781-1844),[1] William M. Branham (1909-1967)[2] and Arnold Murray.[3]

The theory teaches that God created two "Adams"(Adamah means MAN in Hebrew). To one he gave a soul and to the other he did not give a soul. The one without a soul is the creature known in Christianity as the serpent. The Kabbalists call the serpent Nahash (nahash means serpent in Hebrew). This is recorded in the Zohar:


some teach no hope for these serpent seeds and they burn for all eternity........ :'(


Google serpent seed.

But again im not sure what you beleive in this??

i personally beleive its spiritual not a physical """SEED""" but ive been wrong before and i will be wrong again, and it never suprises me when i find out i am wrong  :P

be well and bless you.

chuckt
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: faith2faith on September 28, 2008, 06:26:28 AM
Hi Chuckt  :)

I had a look at the teachings of sherry shrine and other doctrine of serpent seed....these are all very Demonic
teachings......that we all need the spirit of decernment as to, what is good and evil.....those teachings are clearly demonic
cain is not the devils son...and Eve was not raped nor did she have sex with a snake....!!

1 Tim 4:1,2).But The (Holy) Spirit distinctly and expressly declares that in latter times some will turn away from the faith
                     giving attention to deluding and seducing spirits and doctrines that demons teach.

         Vs 2). Through the hypocrisy and pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared.

When i read Gen 3:1).Now the serpent was more crafty then any of the wild animal that God made.
                                 He said to the woman, "Did God really say.....
He manipulates her..!

he lures her into spiritual adultery...she commits this sin in her heart...Gen 3:6 when the woman saw.!!

nothing has changed in the world today, the devil uses this tactic to course man to sin, he did the same thing in the
desert with Jesus...using what we call...look with your eyes and desire in your heart for that which looks good, and
in that act is an act of worship to him, Jesus out witted the devil and wipped him with the word of God....!!!

matt 4:8,9).Again the devil took Him up on a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world
                     and the glory of them.
             Vs 9, And he said Him, These things, all taken together, I will give you, if you will prostrate yourself before me
                     and do homage and worship me.

what happened to adam and Eve was a repeat performance....Only she was seduced by his words..and fell...any sin
committed in our hearts-spirit is spiritual adultery.....the enemy uses physical things or the lust of the flesh to make
Us fall-Sin spiritually..........if that makes any sence!!!

peace,mercy and grace.
trish. :)


   

 

               
 
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: chuckt on September 28, 2008, 04:02:08 PM
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author=Trish link=topic=8200.msg66906#msg66906 date=1222590388]
Hi Chuckt  :)


hi trish, hope all is well.....

oey, sherry shrine.......shakes head.

good post and:

this is how i sum it up for me, i realize there is so much more,but for me:

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree [was] good for food, and that it [was] pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make [one] wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

1Jo 2:16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.


Nothing has changed eh, yes and the spiritual message clear.......

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

our next example would be cain and abel i think;

cain = earhtly carnal minded.
abel = heavemly spiritual minded.

that old dust eater......

Gen 4:6  And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?


 Gen 4:7  If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.


1Jo 3:12 Not as Cain, [who] was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew ((( WHY DID HE SLAY )) he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.


thank you for your reply and
God bless
chuckt
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: Kat on September 28, 2008, 10:25:04 PM

We do have a teaching about the "seed of the serpent" from Ray, it is on audio 1 of the Mobile Conference 2005, 'What Is The Gospel Of The Kingdom?'  I thought this would be helpful with this discussion.

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=6142.0 --------

THERE ARE TWO SEEDS

Now letís go back and get a little more prospective on everything.
There are two seeds on the earth.  In Genesis 3 we read about the seed of the serpent (the seed of Satan) and the seed of the woman, there are the two seeds.

Now we are going to see the progression of the gospel.  In Genesis 3;

Gen 3:15  And I will put enmity between you (serpent) and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He (it) will bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel.

This is talking about something that is going to come and bruise - the word is actually closer to crush than bruise, in both places.

So we have this promise of a Seed back in the garden, the Seed of the woman.  Now we come a few generations down the road and God says to Abraham.

Gen 22:18  And in your Seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.

We want to follow the progression of the seed, so look at Galatians 3.

Gal 3:16  And to Abraham and to his Seed the promises were spoken.  It does not say, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, "And to your Seed," which is Christ.

So we see just read that in Genesis 22, Iím going to bless all nations, in your seed. 
Notice ďAnd to your SeedĒ and He said not as to seeds, with a Ďsí plural ďas of many;  but as of one, to your Seed (singular - one Seed), which is Christ.Ē

There it is.  So we were promised the Seed through Eve and God said through Abraham Iím going to bless your Seed and then we come to the New Testament and it says Jesus Christ is that Seed.  What was taught back there was the gospe.

That was the gospel in chapter 3 of Genesis.  That was the gospel in chapter 12, 18 and 22 of Genesis, to Abraham.  Now we come down and we say that this Seed is Christ.  So itís going to come about through Christ, the one Seed.  Jesus is the Seed of Abraham - the Seed of the woman, the one Seed by which the whole world is going to be blessed.  Paul tells us this is the beginning of the gospel.

Now we have the two seeds.  Notice this, here in 1 Peter are the two Seeds.

1Peter 4:17  For the time is come for judgment to begin at the house of God: and if it begin first at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Youíve got the Seed of the Serpent and youíve got the Seed of the woman.  The Seed of the woman, through the Seed of Christ, is going to obey the gospel.  How are they going to come into obedience, by the way?  What is going to bring about this obedience?  Judgment!  ďfor judgment to begin at the house of GodĒ  thatís how you come into obedience to the gospel.

Paul says what is going to happen to those who donít obey the gospel of God.  We have that answered in 2 Thes. 1:8, with Godís fiery wrath and indignation is going to be poured out on those, who what?  Do not obey the gospel of Jesus Christ.

2Thes 1:8  in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Keep everything in mind now.  We have a good message - a good news message through God to Eve, there is coming a Seed in you and itís going to do battle against the seed of the serpent. 
Then God tells Abraham Iím going to bless all nations through your Seed.  Paul says Jesus Christ is that Seed. 
But the two Seeds keep going, the two Seeds are here until the end of time.  Those that obey the gospel - those that do not obey the gospel, you are of your father the devil.  If you were Abrahamís children, the Seed of the woman, you wouldnít do that. 

The gospel has to do with good news about a Seed coming through the woman, being passed on through the genealogy of Abraham, all the way down to Jesus Christ being born of the virgin Mary in Bethlehem of Judea.  Heís the Seed. 

But now we donít hear about the gospel of the one Seed.  Jesus Christ didnít call His gospel Ďthe gospel of the one Seed,í did He?  No, He call it the gospel of what?  The kingdom of God.  He preached the gospel of the gospel of the kingdom of God. 
In Isaiah 52 we learn about this gospel.

Isa 52:7  How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of him who brings good tiding (good news - gospel), that publishes peace;  that brings good tidings of good, that publishes salvation; who says to Zion, Your God reigns!
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mercy, peace and love
Kat

Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: winner08 on September 28, 2008, 10:48:34 PM
So Kat, do I understand you correctly? The two seeds are the 1(seed) people who believe and 2nd(seed) thoes who do not believe. by believe I mean believe in the good news of the gospel.

Darren
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: faith2faith on September 29, 2008, 02:37:36 AM
Thanks chuckt..! 

awesome post thanks for that....(Seed)-carnal-Natural-Flesh  Vs  (Seed)-Spiritual!!


i had a look at Gen 3:8). To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree
                                                        about which I commanded you, You must not touch it, Cursed is the ground
                                                        because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.


then i read Gen 4:2).Now Abel kept flocks, and cain worked the soil.
                    Vs 3).In the course of time cain brought some of the fruit of the soil as an offering
                                to the Lord

In Gen 3:8 God has Cursed the ground-soil....and cain brings this to the Lord as his offering....God rejects his offering
I would to if someone offered be something that has a curse on it.

I read where God says to cain; Gen 4:7).if you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is
                                                           right, sin is crourching at your door, it desires to have you, but you must master it.


Abels offering was accepted by the Lord....Because it was the first Born of his flock....New..Fresh!!

Bless yah chuckt ;)
trish.


   
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: Martinez on September 29, 2008, 02:46:57 AM
Good word Trish!
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: Kat on September 29, 2008, 11:48:56 AM

Hi Darren,

One Seed is Jesus Christ, You must be in Jesus Christ to be of that Seed. 

Youíve got the Seed of the Serpent and youíve got the Seed of the woman.  The Seed of the woman, through the Seed of Christ, is going to obey the gospel.  How are they going to come into obedience, by the way?  What is going to bring about this obedience?  Judgment!  ďfor judgment to begin at the house of GodĒ  thatís how you come into obedience to the gospel.

The other Seed is Satan and those that follow him.

Keep everything in mind now.  We have a good message - a good news message through God to Eve, there is coming a Seed in you and itís going to do battle against the seed of the serpent. 
v
But the two Seeds keep going, the two Seeds are here until the end of time.  Those that obey the gospel - those that do not obey the gospel, you are of your father the devil.


mercy, peace and love
Kat

Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: faith2faith on September 30, 2008, 02:18:15 AM
Hi There kat, hope all is well!! :)

I Quote You!!...those that obey the gospel.....those that do not obey the Gospel, you are of your father the devil???

I read John 8:42, Jesus  said to them,"if God were your father, you would love me, for i came from God and now am
                        Here.

it's clear to me that, anyone who loves christ Jesus and continues in his love, are the children of God, and those who
love him will obey him....be obedient to him.

I read further down Jesus say's in Vs 44,You belong to your father the devil, and you want to carry out your fathers
                                                           desires. He was a murderer from the begining , not holding to the truth, for
                                                           there is no truth in him. When he lies, he specks his native language, for he
                                                           is a liar and the father of all lies.

Now, that tells me that those who don't hold to the truth and who are murderers and liars, are of their father the devil.
where in that verse does it say those who do not obey the Gospel are of their father the devil. :-\

Now I know that anything that you have posted is from ray's teachings, so i won't pressure you about anything from that.
however can you please share what the Holy Spirit the Spirit of truth the wisdom of God reveals to you, about your beliefs
in serpent seed.

peace,mercy and grace, kat.
trish.

 
   
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: Kat on September 30, 2008, 11:33:07 AM

Hi Trish,

Quote
I read further down Jesus say's in Vs 44,You belong to your father the devil, and you want to carry out your fathers desires. He was a murderer from the begining , not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he specks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of all lies.

Now, that tells me that those who don't hold to the truth and who are murderers and liars, are of their father the devil.
where in that verse does it say those who do not obey the Gospel are of their father the devil.


Act 5:32  And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him."

In this age we have the few and the many, and we see that only those with the Holy Spirit can obey Christ.  There are only these few in this age considered "righteous" because of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.  The rest/many are still slaves to sin/Satan.

1John 3:7  Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
v. 8  He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

To put this in perspective, look at what Paul says, we must go from being slaves of sin/Satan to being slaves of God.

Rom 6:16  Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
v. 17  But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.
v. 18  And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.
v. 20  For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.
v. 22  But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.
v. 23  For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Here is a email.

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7438.0.html -------

What was the seed of the serpent?

    COMMENT:  Joh 8:44 Ye [the Pharisees, verse 13] are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

    Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one [the Devil].

    Act 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

    ALL who disobey God and follow the Devil are the children [seed] of Satan.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat

Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: faith2faith on October 01, 2008, 05:10:01 AM
Bless ya kat :)

thank your for your reply.

I Quote you!
Act 5:32  And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.

Not sure of your point in this scripture in regards to (those who do not obey the (GOSPEL) are of their father the devil). ???

my point in John 8:44). is those not holding to the truth and who are murderers, and liars are of their father the devil.

I Quote You!
There are only these few in this age considered "righteous" because of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. 

So are you saying that in order to be Righteous one must have the Holy Spirit indwelling within them ???

I read 1 John 3:7). Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous as he is righteous.
Kat, you quoted that same scripture.

And I aslo read Roman 1:17). for in the Gospel righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by FAITH from
                                        first to last just as it is written;" the righteous shall live by faith.

If you can show me a scripture that say's that, to be "righteous" you have to have the indwelling of the holy spirit.
that would be great.

As for your post of all the scriptures, I never got a discerning or wittnessing in my spirit,
of the leading of the Holy Spirit or the wisdom of God...I did ask if you could share what the Holy Spirit
the Spirit truth or wisdom of God reveals to you in your belief about the serpent seed....!

thanks all the same kat.
peace, mercy, love.
trish. 


 


 
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: hillsbororiver on October 01, 2008, 08:59:09 AM


If you can show me a scripture that say's that, to be "righteous" you have to have the indwelling of the holy spirit.
that would be great.

 

Hi Trish,

For me Romans Chapter 8 describes the relationship between the Spirit of Christ and His elect very effectively;

 Romans 8

 1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

 6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

 9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

 12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

 13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

 14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

 16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

 17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

 18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

 19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

 20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

 21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

 22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

 23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

 24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

 25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

 26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

 27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

 28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

 29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

 30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

 31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

 32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

 33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

 34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

 36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

 37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

 38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

 39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Peace,

Joe


Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: Kat on October 01, 2008, 12:09:03 PM

Hi Trish,

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So are you saying that in order to be Righteous one must have the Holy Spirit indwelling within them

We have this Scripture.

Rom 3:10  As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

So how does a person become righteous?  Only if Christ/Holy Spirit is living in you.

Rom 3:22  Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:

Eph 2:8  For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

So righteousness is by faith, which is a gift of God, to those that believe.

Rom 5:19  For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.

"by one Man's obedience" that is the sacrifice of Christ, that only applies to His chosen few at this time, but that is how everyone "will be made righteous."

Php 2:8  And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.

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Act 5:32  And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.

Not sure of your point in this scripture in regards to (those who do not obey the (GOSPEL) are of their father the devil).

The Scripture says "the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him."   So it stand to reason if those who have the Holy Spirit obey God, then the rest can not obey because they do not have the Holy Spirit.  And here is the quote from Ray's email in my last post, ALL who disobey God and follow the Devil are the children [seed] of Satan.

Hope this was of some help.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: CEO on October 01, 2008, 01:12:48 PM
Hi

The seed of eve compared to the seed of satan.  Either we are comparing physical seed to physical seed or spiritual to spiritual?

We know Jesus is physically descended from Eve but no one is physically descended from satan as he does not have "the apparatus" as Ray would say.

Therefore we should compare the spiritual with the spiritual.  Satan is the father of sin, when we sin we are of the father of sin.  When we act in righteousness (toward being saved-through the indwelling of the holy spirit and belief in the truth IIThess 2:13) we are of Jesus' Father, of our Father.

It boils down to two competing interests.  Paul says it in so many ways as to hide it, shall we be slaves to righteousness or slaves to sin?  We will be dead to sin or dead in sin.  Will we be a vessel of honor or dishonor?  Will we be sons of God or sons of Satan?  How long can we make this list of opposites?

God takes the simple and makes it complicated, takes the complicated and makes it so simple.

Askseeknock
Charles O
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: faith2faith on October 01, 2008, 09:16:54 PM
thanks  :)

Everyone for all your scriptures, I will have a long study night or two,
and fellowship with God in his word....and if anyone else would like to
Add to the mix please feel more then welcome;

Bless you's and thanks again!!

cheers ;)
trish.

 
Title: Re: Cain the devil's baby
Post by: enigmoxical on October 02, 2008, 12:20:31 AM
Here's one more for you, Trish:

"And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD." (Gen. 4:1)

Now does it say anywhere in the text that Satan "knew" Eve and she conceived? No. Does Eve say she has gotten a man from Satan? Again, no. Now for the interesting part:

"And she again bare his brother Abel." (v.2)

All throughout the OT, the little phrase "she knew her husband" always precedes the birth of a son or daughter. Adam "knew" his wife and she conceived Cain. But does it say he "knew" her again before Abel was born? No. Therefore, the logical conclusion is that Cain and Abel were TWINS!

No satanic seed here.  ;)

Peace