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 31 
 on: December 11, 2018, 05:49:40 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by Wanda
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I see you mentioned some of the verses I listed, but have not seen anyone try to tie the two concepts together, birth of a child and the sudden destruction yet. Or maybe I missed it.

I don't tie them together.  In 1Th 5:3 I see to many variables to be settled in any clear understanding at this time. I here lots of talk about peace, with many in the US thinking Trump is going to accomplish this durring his time in office, but I'm also seeing things that could prevent such an outcome.

ML  if you include these scriptures I think you'll see this reference to the pain of childbirth, and the pain we experience in this world to be similar,  because after this is behind us we will only focus on the joy that replaces any and all pain we endured.

John 16

21  A woman giving birth to a child has pain because her time has come; but when her baby is born she forgets the anguish because of her joy that a child is born into the world.

22 So with you: Now is your time of grief, but I will see you again and you will rejoice, and no one will take away your joy.

23 In that day you will no longer ask me anything. Very truly I tell you, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.

24 Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, and your joy will be complete.

33 “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”


 32 
 on: December 11, 2018, 05:24:48 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by Johnny70
Wanda,
One other important description of our current world that Paul was quite adamite about, 2 Timothy 3:1-9 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
3 And this know thou, that in the last days there shall come perilous times,
2 for men shall be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, evil-speakers, to parents disobedient, unthankful, unkind,
3 without natural affection, implacable, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, not lovers of those who are good,
4 traitors, heady, lofty, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God,
5 having a form of piety, and its power having denied; and from these be turning away,
6 for of these there are those coming into the houses and leading captive the silly women, laden with sins, led away with desires manifold,
7 always learning, and never to a knowledge of truth able to come,
8 and, even as Jannes and Jambres stood against Moses, so also these do stand against the truth, men corrupted in mind, disapproved concerning the faith;
9 but they shall not advance any further, for their folly shall be manifest to all, as theirs also did become.

 33 
 on: December 11, 2018, 05:15:10 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by Johnny70
Wanda,
When you look seriously at this obviously hopeless planet, we see humans with the nature and characteristics that they were given (Jeremiah 17:9 King James Version - "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?) and being driven relentlessly by spiritual powers in high places catalyzed to even greater wickedness. Ephesians 6:12 King James Version - "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places". Then the outcome is described perfectly in your comment - "Why should we expect things would be any different in this time filled with so much evil. Still it angers me."
John

 34 
 on: December 11, 2018, 05:03:46 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by ML
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the birth pains Jesus talks about

It was mentioned in the first couple of pages of the thread.
I see you mentioned some of the verses I listed, but have not seen anyone try to tie the two concepts together, birth of a child and the sudden destruction yet. Or maybe I missed it.

 35 
 on: December 11, 2018, 04:35:27 PM 
Started by ML - Last post by lareli
All I know is what I hear: https://www.businessinsider.com/is-weed-stronger-today-than-the-80s-2015-10

This article is inconclusive isn’t it? The only thing they are confident about is that THC levels are higher today than in the 70’s. How much higher is not clear and the results are too inconsistent. Regardless. Words like ‘stronger’ ‘more potent’ are not in any way synonymous with ‘harmful’ or ‘dangerous’.

But that is how propaganda works.

“All I know is what I hear”? Really?

In the 1920’s you would’ve heard that marijuana makes negroes think they’re as good as white men.. you would’ve heard that one puff of the marijuana will turn your loved one into a ravenous murdering lunatic.. Just 50 years ago “True Physicians” (as JFK calls them) would’ve told you it’s completely harmless for your pregnant wife to smoke a pack of cigarettes a day..




 36 
 on: December 11, 2018, 04:33:13 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by Wanda
 
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I could truly say a million things that describe such an absolute disgrace about this MOST condemning display of an absence of respect!!! Here is a major Christian  figure, and to us the most significant event ever for mankind's salvation and benefit, trivialized and mocked to unbelief.

I agree John, but when you think on it a bit, they mocked and ridiculed Jesus unto his death. Why should we expect things would be any different in this time filled with so much evil. Still it angers me.

 37 
 on: December 11, 2018, 04:19:06 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by Wanda
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the birth pains Jesus talks about

It was mentioned in the first couple of pages of the thread.

 38 
 on: December 11, 2018, 04:10:38 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by ML
Some would say it's always been this bad, and even worse at other times in history, but when God opens your eyes, it's not only to spiritual truth and it becomes impossible to doubt that the decay of morality is at an all time high, as well as declining rapidly. I can see an escalation of decline as a daily norm at this point and conditions in the world are like a run away train   with no hope of rescue, but seeing Gods plan at work is the hope of assured rescue.
I can attest to this.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the birth pains Jesus talks about.

Mar 13:8  because nation will rise up in arms against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes and famines in various places. These things are only the beginning of the birth pains.

1Th 5:3  When people say, "There is peace and security," destruction will strike them as suddenly as labor pains come to a pregnant woman, and they will not be able to escape.

Joh 16:21  When a woman is in labor she has pain, because her time has come. Yet when she has given birth to her child, she doesn't remember the agony anymore because of the joy of having brought a human being into the world.  


 39 
 on: December 11, 2018, 04:08:17 PM 
Started by ML - Last post by indianabob
Just a simple opinion based on 83 years of living.

A major problem is that well intentioned people who make and enforce laws, even church people, are trying to HELP drug users/offenders by putting them in jails with career criminals where they can study advanced ways to avoid being caught. At the same time mental health facilities are being closed due to the expense of operation under health care insurance regulations. Police departments are being overwhelmed with excessive time being spent on 2-5 grams of weed being confiscated and logged into police records etc. while more serious crimes are understandably ignored. People arrested for minor crimes are being held over for trial for weeks because they didn't have a $500.00 bond to post or a relative to lend them the money.

Correction of individuals works only when administered with real/sincere loving care with personal examples. No set of laws, not even God's laws will work effectively when applied outside of a concerned family environment.

We arrest and confine people who don't think like we believe they should so that we don't have to deal with them in our daily lives. Yes they are a problem, but putting them away and out of site is the cowards way of pretending to help.

Ole Bob  ::)

 40 
 on: December 11, 2018, 03:07:26 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by Wanda
Mike, when I think of end time prophesy, it's not with the focus of gloom and doom, but a view of hope and deliverance from the barrage of evil that surrounds me, more so now than any other time in my life. Some would say it's always been this bad, and even worse at other times in history, but when God opens your eyes, it's not only to spiritual truth and it becomes impossible to doubt that the decay of morality is at an all time high, as well as declining rapidly. I can see an escalation of decline as a daily norm at this point and conditions in the world are like a run away train   with no hope of rescue, but seeing Gods plan at work is the hope of assured rescue.

Jesus shared these signs of things to come for our comfort, hope and faith,  so that we would rejoice and not have dread and fear to contend with, as the evils become increasingly overwhelming at times. Jesus left us with his peace and for me,  being aware is most comforting and even peaceful at such a turbulent time.

Luke 21:28 )  "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

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