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 on: March 14, 2019, 03:55:50 PM 
Started by casey - Last post by Wanda
Interesting so many from WCG continue to look for truth in God's word. I find just the opposite with many who leave the JW'S religion. I suppose I'm one of a small minority from what I've discovered.

I think the reason is because of the belief,  from extreme brainwashing, (indoctrination) that this is the only true religion on the earth today. Being convinced,  if you leave, there is no where else to go, truly has a deep and lasting effect on the majority who leave. They either stop believing in God altogether, just to cope, or go into Babylonian Churches, abandoning all former beliefs. Some return to the religion for fear of dying at Armageddon, which they're taught is the end of life forever.

The  shunning aspect leaving has on a persons life, is overwhelming too. loosing all friends and family has kept many from leaving and some to return as well. The God of love is a total mystery and contradiction to this religion.

 on: March 14, 2019, 11:18:08 AM 
Started by casey - Last post by microlink
Hi again Casey,

Sounds like you have a lot to share.
My life was similar and I was in WCG from 1969 to 1999, easing out for about five years until I finally heard about L. Ray. Attended the conference in 2006 I think and met Ray and dropped WCG completely.
I will leave it there unless someone has specific questions.
Great to learn all about you.
Thanks much, Indianabob

I too was a member of WCG for many years, but finally had enough in 1995 and left. joined some of the offshoots, but they had much the same teachings and internal squabbles. When I found Ray Smith on this forum and read his works, it helped me understand more of the truth. Grateful for that.  :)

 on: March 13, 2019, 02:19:58 PM 
Started by Rick Longva - Last post by Wanda

Ray discusses this in - The Lake of Fire - Part XI


 on: March 13, 2019, 01:01:59 PM 
Started by Rick Longva - Last post by Rick Longva
Did Ray write about New Jerusalem that comes out of heaven? Did he teach that it was literal, or figurative. Thanks for any and all help.

 on: March 12, 2019, 11:54:50 PM 
Started by ML - Last post by ML
Here is a what you would call "tribal" song. Man I have a different taste  :o

Steve Roach - Year of the Horse

Especially for the cultural significance of this kind of music, I just focus on the music itself. I must admit, the artwork for this album is weird.

 on: March 11, 2019, 04:39:34 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by Johnny70
Hi Dave,

Thanks Dave for the LINK on Ray Smith's great work on EVIL. I believe everything he explains here. I read similar writings of Mr. Smith's back in 2006 when I was not a member of the forum. What Ray says here we should recognize how fortunate we are to have access to such knowledge and understanding. Ray is not the only one to teach and grasp this but of all the people who understands this, HE IS THE BEST at explaining it. Ray does the best job relating this to its sister subject FREEWILL and then to its being collectively responsible for and producing Universal Salvation. God's use of evil is a key supporting column in comprehending the very deep spiritual and unnaturalistic invironment that God operates in. God is supernatural - His thinking transcends man's. That is enough said you guys know this anyway. Thank you Dave, Bob and Wanda for your kind words. Then there is John and Pamela - God must have called in you two to make sure that I got things right - love you all it was a great experience.


 on: March 11, 2019, 01:11:48 PM 
Started by ML - Last post by Musterseed
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 on: March 10, 2019, 08:33:01 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by indianabob
Thanks all for the alternate translations of foreign words for a better understanding.

It's good to remember that even though God inspired the original, we are reading an English translation
that had its roots in "a committee" 400 years ago and that most of the members of that group were former Catholic priests with a culture of "religion" to protect.
Also that, as I understand it, God requires the indwelling of His spirit to give a full understanding.
Human intellect is not the measure of a competent Bible scholar.

Kindly offered, Indianabob

 on: March 10, 2019, 06:20:24 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by Wanda
Pamela - a different translation.

Genesis 6:6  (KJV)

6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Repent -

Pronounce: naw-kham'

Strong: H5162

Orig: a primitive root; properly, to sigh, i.e. breathe strongly; by implication, to be sorry, i.e. (in a favorable sense) to pity, console or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to avenge (oneself):--comfort (self), ease (one's self), repent(-er,-ing, self).

 on: March 10, 2019, 05:59:03 PM 
Started by Dennis Vogel - Last post by Wanda

It was just a short while ago I was confused about God and evil, until Dave and others helped me understand the difference between evil and sin. Now I see God can and does do evil, if not there would be no chastising in our lives. I don't even want to think about a life without God's correction.

We can't put God into neat little compartments, limiting him to fit our idea of what he would or could not do. We know from scripture that he created evil as a necessary componet to his plan, and  without it his whole plan would fall apart. He possesses the knowledge of evil and it's at his disposal to use as he sees fit.

I believe, like in creation,  he was directly involved  with the  flood, Sodom and Gomorrah and many other events as well. I don't believe it is Satan that rapes children either. I see him more as the enticer ,  as he was in the Garden of Eden. 

Dave is right, we understand less than we think we do. God proves that to me everyday.

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