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Title: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on September 26, 2018, 12:56:43 PM
I'd like to start a list of end time Prophecies/scriptures? King James first and other versions following if needed.

NO POLITICAL COMMENTS, please. You are always free to PM others.

And no lengthy lists, please. Example: "Floods" included with verses on other topics means the thread would become cluttered. One post about floods would leave a lot of room for comments and YouTube videos just about floods around the world.

Example that is not an outright Prophecy but where political comments would be tempting.

Isa 5:20  Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Concordant:
Isa 5:20  Woe to those saying for evil, good, and for good, evil, placing darkness for light and light for darkness, placing bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!"

Saying the above could apply to normalizing homosexuality throughout the world is a reasonable comment. But including comments about a person or a political party, etc. is out of bounds.

I'd like to use the list and compare it to current world events.
Title: Re: End Time Proficiencies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on September 26, 2018, 12:57:31 PM
Isa 5:20  Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Concordant:
Isa 5:20  Woe to those saying for evil, good, and for good, evil, placing darkness for light and light for darkness, placing bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!"

This could apply to normalizing homosexuality throughout the world
Title: Re: End Time Proficiencies
Post by: Musterseed on September 26, 2018, 02:20:59 PM
Great idea Dennis

KJV Dan.12:4
But thou O Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book even to the time of the end, many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

YLT- And Thou O Daniel, hide the things and seal the book till the time of the end many do
go to and fro and knowledge Is multiplied.

Knowledge is increasing especially in science and nature.🤓😃
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on September 26, 2018, 06:20:22 PM
Mathew 24

32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that [e]it is near—at the doors!34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

All of Matt 24 is relevant but verse 32 is especially so, if we consider both the curse of the fig tree iin Mark 11:20, 21 when Jesus foretold the tree would never produce fruit again,  and  when Israel became a legitimate state or nation in our present time. I hope my mention of Israel is not deemed political, because it was the only way to make this connection.

I see modern day Israel as the tree that fulfills prophecy  by only producing  leaves. 

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on September 26, 2018, 07:30:27 PM
Mathew 24

32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that [e]it is near—at the doors!34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

All of Matt 24 is relevant but verse 32 is especially so, if we consider both the curse of the fig tree iin Mark 11:20, 21 when Jesus foretold the tree would never produce fruit again,  and  when Israel became a legitimate state or nation in our present time. I hope my mention of Israel is not deemed political, because it was the only way to make this connection.

I see modern day Israel as the tree that fulfills prophecy  by only producing  leaves.

Israel is not a problem.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on September 27, 2018, 05:13:08 PM
2 Timothy 3:1-5 (KJV)

3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

These conditions can be found globally, with specifics to many to number, but two human practices I find especially horrific. The first is human trafficking,  which is practiced globally, and involves adults and children. This industry brings in more money than drugs ever could. The second is  abortion, now legal in over 60% of the world.

I'm certain these human  negative conditions affect everything pertaining to life on this planet,  and would eventually be conducive to our own destruction,  if we were left to our own devices.




Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on September 27, 2018, 11:47:38 PM
ECC.3:18
I said in my heart concerning the estate of the sons of man that God might manifest them
and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

Proverbs 23:7
For as he thinks in his heart, so is he.

Continually evil.
The dirty blasphemous doctrine of free will and all who believe it will be punished.
The story of King Nebuchadnezzar.

I just spent my whole summer with visiting athiest free willers and I witnessed all of the attributes
of those scriptures Wanda, what a nightmare. Thank God they are all gone and Thank God He controls all of it.

May Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ grant us  courage and strength to endure.
Come Lord Jesus, Amen


Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on September 28, 2018, 01:31:05 AM
Hi Pamela,

Yes it surely is a struggle to try to have a conversation with "free willers" and such.
I have the benefit of a wife who may not understand all that you do, but who patiently works with me to keep peace among our neighbors and friends.
To some I may seem "cool" and unsympathetic toward the daily problems of the fearful who see God much differently than she and I do. However we have been blessed to be able to discuss the True God over coffee and toast most mornings when it relates to the TV news and all the troubles that society experiences today.
This young lady (she was 18 when I found her) has put up with me for 57 years and I am truly thankful that God brought us together.

I-bob
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Joel on September 28, 2018, 08:22:35 AM
2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4-And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Joel
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on September 28, 2018, 09:42:04 AM
Hi Ibob
You always speak so kindly of your wife. You are Blessed to have her.
I think God is working in my husband of 47 years. He’s so much more content
which makes my life easier. Thank God
Have a wonderful day Ibob. God Bless You
Pamela

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on September 28, 2018, 05:13:18 PM
Revelations 14 KJV

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Matthew 24:14 (KJV)

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Many of us here today are not blind to the similarities of todays cinditions  spoke of in the following verse.

Genesis 6:5 King James Version (KJV)

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Matthew 24:37-39 (KJV)

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Regardless of the warning people will reject it just as they rejected Jesus in his first coming. People will reject the message just as they rejected the warning of the coming flood.


Title: Re: End Time Proficiencies
Post by: ML on September 28, 2018, 10:12:10 PM
Isa 5:20  Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Concordant:
Isa 5:20  Woe to those saying for evil, good, and for good, evil, placing darkness for light and light for darkness, placing bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!"

This could apply to normalizing homosexuality throughout the world
I think this could apply to things like abortion too.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on September 29, 2018, 09:00:12 PM
Ezekiel 8:12  (KJV)

12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, the Lord seeth us not; the Lord hath forsaken the earth.

Thinking on many world conditions, especially  in this past year, due to unusually strange things being manifested,, takes me back to my own awakening and what God revealed to me,  as a member of the Watch Tower Society/JW'S.

Ezekiel ch. 8 comes to mind., when God revealed to Ezekiel what was going on within the secret room of the temple exposing their ungodly activities.

Today God is exposing many ungodly things, in the Church systems as well as other institutions of authority and power.

The Catholic Church is continuously being exposed for the sexual crimes against children. Recently over a thousand  new such cases have been reported in the media. The Watch Tower Society has been exposed as well, and their crimes are in the court systems now,  in the UK, US and Australia . They are currently  selling off real estate holdings into the millions to compensate the victims. I think the JW religion will go the way of the WWCOG, as their membership has fallen to around 4  million world wide, from almost 10 million just 10 years ago. The FLDS church is not fairing much better.

I'm seeing more and more church leaders in court cases trying to escape prosecution for their financial crimes as well.








Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on September 30, 2018, 04:08:13 PM
Luke 21:11 - And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

I hadn't considered posting on this subject until the resent tsunami in Indonesia. Considering the magnitude I became curious of this type of activity in the past 20 years.

List of historical tsunamis.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_historical_tsunamis#1000%E2%80%931700_CE

I found this from 2014.

The annual number of “great” earthquakes nearly tripled over the last decade, providing a reminder to Americans that unruptured faults like those in the northwest United States might be due for a Big One.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna233661

Flood info for past 20 years.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/2-3-billion-people-affected-by-flooding-disasters-in-20-years

Recent flood activity in the US. with more predicted for Arizona and California in the coming weeks.

https://floodlist.com/america/usa

Recent Typhoon in Tokyo.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/world/1024550/trami-typhoon-tracker-update-tokyo-okinawa-path-update-japan-hurricane-latest/amp

List of deadlist floods around the world.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deadliest_floods
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on October 01, 2018, 01:54:20 AM
Hello folks,

The idea that got my attention many years ago concerning end time prophesy was that
people will be going about their normal activities and ignoring all the warning signs.
That also seems to mean that even when great changes are happening in Jerusalem that are referred to in Luke 17 and other scriptures, people will still ignore them and say, "it doesn't apply to me".

Aren't these passages referring to normal folks who just don't believe and don't understand, because
it has not been given to them to understand? Are they any worse than we who have the gift of understanding? So to them it will come as a complete shock and they will blame who? Probably God!
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Joel on October 01, 2018, 11:32:08 AM
I think this has been going on for about 1,948 years, so how much longer will it continue is my question.

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.


Joel


Title: Re: End Time Prophecies - "Wars", "Floods", "Earthquakes", etc.
Post by: Dennis Vogel on October 01, 2018, 12:50:38 PM
"Wars", "Floods", "Earthquakes", etc.

Not that long ago it took three months to travel by ship to North America from England.

2,000 years ago if there were floods and earthquakes all over the world, for the most part no one heard about them unless they lived close to the event. Back then North and South America were not even known to the people that penned these prophecies.

But none-the-less the scriptures said to watch and listen from diverse places.

I've said for years that equal emphasis should be placed on the "hearing" as well as the events.

The fact that this generation can "hear" about these events from anywhere in the world just seconds after they happen makes these prophecies practicable and feasible for the first time ever. IMO.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on October 01, 2018, 05:06:06 PM
Quote
I've said for years that equal emphasis should be placed on the "hearing" as well as the events.

The fact that this generation can "hear" about these events from anywhere in the world just seconds after they happen makes these prophecies practicable and feasible for the first time ever. IMO
.

True, and Jesus didn't say these things never existed, he knew there would come a time we would have access to knowledge in a way never before possible. The Internet came in to existence as a tool in God's hands, to increase knowledge. I believe if we use it under his guidance it's a huge blessing he has given us.

He knew the end from the beginning and declared knowledge would increase, and it has.

The tsunami in Indonesia was on the internet before any media outlet had reported it. I saw it there first, and it was several hours before I found it on any mainstream news outlets.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on October 02, 2018, 05:53:30 PM
1 Thessalonians 5:1-5  (KJV)

5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness

Out of respect for not bringing politics into discussion, all I will say, for the first time in my life these scriptures have great significance in our time. I can see this unfolding, does anyone else? I'm mostly focusing on verse 3.
Title: Re: End Time Proficiencies
Post by: lareli on October 03, 2018, 01:38:45 PM
Isa 5:20  Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Concordant:
Isa 5:20  Woe to those saying for evil, good, and for good, evil, placing darkness for light and light for darkness, placing bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!"

This could apply to normalizing homosexuality throughout the world

Normalizing homosexuality is not the same as calling it ‘good’. If the world were calling homosexuality ‘good’ and heterosexuality ‘evil’ then you might be right. But that’s not the case, at least as far as I know.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on October 03, 2018, 02:32:50 PM
Normalizing something means it has become acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.

I looked it up.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ML on October 03, 2018, 08:21:20 PM
1 Thessalonians 5:1-5  (KJV)

5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness

Out of respect for not bringing politics into discussion, all I will say, for the first time in my life these scriptures have great significance in our time. I can see this unfolding, does anyone else? I'm mostly focusing on verse 3.
I think I see what you are saying.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: lareli on October 04, 2018, 10:55:44 AM
Normalizing something means it has become acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.

I looked it up.

Correct. But Normal doesn’t mean good. The scripture you quoted doesn’t say ‘woe to those who call evil normal, and normal evil’

Normal, acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.... none of those words mean ‘good’.

Can you think of an example of homosexuality being called ‘good’ not ‘normal’ but ‘good’? Or heterosexuality being called ‘evil’?





Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Joel on October 04, 2018, 12:14:03 PM
The way I see it, if I know the Bible says something and choose to not believe it, and out of the air accept something that totally disagrees with that Truth, is that not calling good evil and evil good?

Joel
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on October 04, 2018, 01:08:06 PM
The way I see it, if I know the Bible says something and choose to not believe it, and out of the air accept something that totally disagrees with that Truth, is that not calling good evil and evil good?

Joel

You may be correct.
But would you Joel, who are indwelt in some measure by the spirit of God and Christ, do such a thing?
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: John from Kentucky on October 04, 2018, 02:01:50 PM
Normalizing something means it has become acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.

I looked it up.

Correct. But Normal doesn’t mean good. The scripture you quoted doesn’t say ‘woe to those who call evil normal, and normal evil’

Normal, acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.... none of those words mean ‘good’.

Can you think of an example of homosexuality being called ‘good’ not ‘normal’ but ‘good’? Or heterosexuality being called ‘evil’?

Boring me here.

That's definitely not good.  What is the point?

Today's culture wants to normalize homosexuality, which is not a good thing.

I remember a time when homosexuality was not even discussed.  Not even thought to exist.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on October 04, 2018, 02:39:10 PM
Normalizing something means it has become acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.

I looked it up.

Correct. But Normal doesn’t mean good. The scripture you quoted doesn’t say ‘woe to those who call evil normal, and normal evil’

Normal, acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.... none of those words mean ‘good’.

Can you think of an example of homosexuality being called ‘good’ not ‘normal’ but ‘good’? Or heterosexuality being called ‘evil’?

Semantics. Homosexuality is not normal or good. But there are places in this country where homosexuality is normal. Does that make it good?

I'll bet if you go to the Bay Area and ask the question "is homosexuality acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, and conventional" the answer will be 'yes'. But we know practicing homosexuality is evil. Semantics.

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on October 04, 2018, 03:02:04 PM
JFK said, "Today's culture wants to normalize homosexuality, which is not a good thing." I agree.

Hard to find examples without political commentary but look at this and tell me it's normal, acceptable, etc.

https://youtu.be/brl2qG5GhHc (https://youtu.be/brl2qG5GhHc)

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on October 04, 2018, 03:21:27 PM
The legalization of same sex marriage  did not come about suddenly as some may think, but through years of litigation, resulting in a slow but steady effort to normalize by acceptance.  Reminds me of the frog in the simmering pot.

The same is happening with making sex with children legal. The video Dennis shared is proof that this is a deliberate agenda.

How can anyone refute this knowing the whole head is sick from the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness and  every imagination of the thoughts of mans heart is evil continually.

I found this information most telling on this subject.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna870586
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ML on October 04, 2018, 03:39:32 PM
Quote from: Dennis Vogel 

[url=https://youtu.be/brl2qG5GhHc
https://youtu.be/brl2qG5GhHc[/url]
:o
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on October 04, 2018, 04:21:46 PM
Quote from: Dennis Vogel 

[url=https://youtu.be/brl2qG5GhHc
https://youtu.be/brl2qG5GhHc[/url]
:o

One more but that's it. I think we get the point.

https://youtu.be/EBkcVtHXiLs (https://youtu.be/EBkcVtHXiLs)
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on October 04, 2018, 05:46:17 PM
My grandchildren just started kindergarten in Calgary. I warned my daughter  about this and I pray
God will open her eyes.
Liviticus 19:21
You shall not give any of your children to offer them to Molech and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord.
Like Ray said” doesn’t this just grind on your Spirit? This is child sacrifice.😠
Come Lord Jesus, Thy will be done.
Cling to Jesus my brothers and sisters.

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: lareli on October 05, 2018, 04:27:16 PM
Normalizing something means it has become acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.

I looked it up.

Correct. But Normal doesn’t mean good. The scripture you quoted doesn’t say ‘woe to those who call evil normal, and normal evil’

Normal, acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.... none of those words mean ‘good’.

Can you think of an example of homosexuality being called ‘good’ not ‘normal’ but ‘good’? Or heterosexuality being called ‘evil’?

Semantics. Homosexuality is not normal or good. But there are places in this country where homosexuality is normal. Does that make it good?

I'll bet if you go to the Bay Area and ask the question "is homosexuality acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, and conventional" the answer will be 'yes'. But we know practicing homosexuality is evil. Semantics.

I don’t disagree with you. But that wouldn’t be the question to ask. The question to ask would be “is homosexuality good

Semantics is the study of the meaning of words, so yes, it’s semantics. Acceptable, standard, regular... none of those mean “good”.

Normal, standard, regular... death is all of those things. Death is not ‘good’.

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ML on October 05, 2018, 04:50:01 PM
I don’t disagree with you. But that wouldn’t be the question to ask. The question to ask would be “is homosexuality good

Semantics is the study of the meaning of words, so yes, it’s semantics. Acceptable, standard, regular... none of those mean “good”.
What would you call adults making storybooks and costumes about homosexual and transgender relationships, and encouraging them to do the same? Or these "parades"(more like "charades") that they put on?

Not exactly related, but with abortion, they fight for "women's rights," a terrible euphemism blurted out over and over, to distract you from all the murders they do. They would probably say it is "good" for a women to have control over her own body. Problem is, is that it is not her body that is being killed, but another.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Tim Krantz on October 05, 2018, 04:53:00 PM
KJV Dan.12:4
But thou O Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book even to the time of the end, many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.   

Youngs Literal Translation
  Dan 12:4  And thou, O Daniel, hide the things, and seal the book till the time of the end, many do go to and fro, and knowledge is multiplied.'

    Maybe the increase in knowledge will be about Daniels book. Hope so
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on October 05, 2018, 06:29:39 PM
Normalizing something means it has become acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.

I looked it up.

Correct. But Normal doesn’t mean good. The scripture you quoted doesn’t say ‘woe to those who call evil normal, and normal evil’

Normal, acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.... none of those words mean ‘good’.

Can you think of an example of homosexuality being called ‘good’ not ‘normal’ but ‘good’? Or heterosexuality being called ‘evil’?

Semantics. Homosexuality is not normal or good. But there are places in this country where homosexuality is normal. Does that make it good?

I'll bet if you go to the Bay Area and ask the question "is homosexuality acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, and conventional" the answer will be 'yes'. But we know practicing homosexuality is evil. Semantics.

I don’t disagree with you. But that wouldn’t be the question to ask. The question to ask would be “is homosexuality good

Semantics is the study of the meaning of words, so yes, it’s semantics. Acceptable, standard, regular... none of those mean “good”.

Normal, standard, regular... death is all of those things. Death is not ‘good’.

The word 'semantics' can be used in a somewhat sarcastic way. It means playing with words that have similar meanings to prove a point. That's what I meant.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AwesomeSavior on October 08, 2018, 05:58:53 PM
Dennis:

Hurricane Michael, which is getting ready to strike the Florida area, is another example, in my collection, of the correlation between Israel and the "plans" of America, without getting political.

God, like clockwork.

Dean
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on October 08, 2018, 06:57:45 PM
Dennis:

Hurricane Michael, which is getting ready to strike the Florida area, is another example, in my collection, of the correlation between Israel and the "plans" of America, without getting political.

God, like clockwork.

Dean

Most interesting Dean. Unfortunatly this storm is headed my way.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: John from Kentucky on October 08, 2018, 10:45:56 PM
Dennis:

Hurricane Michael, which is getting ready to strike the Florida area, is another example, in my collection, of the correlation between Israel and the "plans" of America, without getting political.

God, like clockwork.

Dean

My spiritual eyes just went cross-eyed.  Please say no more about your statement.  I am trying hard not to make fun of others.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on October 09, 2018, 08:42:57 AM
Dennis:

Hurricane Michael, which is getting ready to strike the Florida area, is another example, in my collection, of the correlation between Israel and the "plans" of America, without getting political.

God, like clockwork.

Dean

There have been literally hundreds of deadly hurricanes on record in the Americas since 1492. And many more huge ones recorded in the geological strata before that.

This has nothing to do with end time prophecy.

Mike
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on October 09, 2018, 09:38:15 AM
Mat 24:21  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 
Mat 24:22  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 

While all of Mat 24 is pertinent, mankind has only been capable of destroying all flesh since the end of WWII. That was over 70 years ago. Who knows how long it will be till then? Days? Months? Another 70 years? Perhaps a lot more?

Mat 24:36  But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 

   
Mike
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AwesomeSavior on October 09, 2018, 09:59:29 AM
Zeke:

If God were causing you to pay attention to the significance of what is happening all around you, in this nation and the world, you would not be in such ignorance.

But so be it.

Dean

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on October 09, 2018, 04:22:04 PM
Did Jesus not give us very specific signs to indicate the end time?

He gave them to those who would have eyes to see. Who are we to scoff at anyone for what they are seeing , or doubt that God is leading them to specific information that opens new understanding. I cannot dispute the work God is doing in another persons life, regarding end time prophecy. I can only follow where he leads me, and respectfully leave others to do the same.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: octoberose on October 10, 2018, 04:25:52 AM
Normalizing something means it has become acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.

I looked it up.

Correct. But Normal doesn’t mean good. The scripture you quoted doesn’t say ‘woe to those who call evil normal, and normal evil’

Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple, the richest company in the world , said
 “ I’m proud to be gay, and I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me”.

So yes, he believes it is good . 
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on October 10, 2018, 09:12:55 AM
Zeke:

If God were causing you to pay attention to the significance of what is happening all around you, in this nation and the world, you would not be in such ignorance.

But so be it.

Dean


If my response was overly blunt, I apologize. But I don’t believe it required your “I’m holier than thou” insult. I would have much preferred to see an explanation of your viewpoint.
As far as my stance goes on hurricanes: There have been over 290 storms that have hit the U.S. mainland since 1851. Only a very-very small percentage have been a category four or five. And despite the media hype and ranting of certain entities with an agenda, there is no substantial proof of an increase in the frequency and intensity of these storms over a period of time beyond a natural 60 – 70-year cycle.

I do not take any of these storms lightly. Michael could be another terrible disaster for those in its path. But we have to be very careful not to make assumptions based on natural events. Galveston in the year 1900 is still the worst loss of life at 8000. That doesn’t mean these storms may not pan out differently in the long run, but one must look from afar to gain the big picture.

Also, I am 68 years old today and painfully aware of national and world events (much to my wife’s chagrin  ::)). I’ve lived through and seen a lot of tumult. And I have watched my nation and the world change right before my eyes. It is not an encouraging picture.
I do believe we are entering the end of the age. And I contend that the morning of July 16, 1945, the day of the first nuclear bomb detonation in the New Mexico desert, could be considered the opening salvo of the end time. But, obviously, the end is not yet. And no man knows when that will be.   

Mike
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on October 10, 2018, 01:04:52 PM
Hi Mike, (ZekeSr)

Thanks for the explanation. Valid points to consider.

One of the things we who's eyes have been opened are supposed to have come to understand is that it really doesn't matter how long the end may take to arrive. I'm 83 and could last another ten years.(?)
But what I know is that a few seconds after I take my last breath, I will awake with our Lord Jesus and that date and time is when I will begin at last to understand more fully whatever it is that I am given to know.

I'm looking forward to my last breaths as the beginning of the rest of my life and I have no fear whatsoever that it will be with our Lord. May that day come soon.

ole, well worn, Indiana Bob  ::)
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AwesomeSavior on October 10, 2018, 01:06:41 PM
Zeke:

Around one year ago, I posted a great lengthy reply in another thread. That thread was entitled, "Who are the Real Hebrew Israelites today". Mine is the 5th (and 3rd) reply to the original poster of that thread. The proof is there, for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear what God is doing in the natural realm, and not just the primary, spiritual realm of our heavens. I did not go into detail on this current thread out of respect to Dennis, and not wanting anything political mentioned.

I apologize for offending you.

Happy Birthday to you!

Dean
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: lareli on October 10, 2018, 04:00:12 PM
Ray wrote his thoughts on who the Israel of prophecy is..

“According to virtually all Christian teachers and scholars, when prophecy mentions Jerusalem, Judah, or Israel, it is speaking of literal Jerusalem, Judah, or Israel. For them, if "context, context, context" is the god of theological interpretation, then "literal, literal, literal," has got to be their vice-god. If this is true, then when it speaks of "Abraham's seed," it must mean "literal" bloodline descendants of Abraham, correct? No, NOT correct!”

There’s more in the towers paper.

Maybe reread?
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AwesomeSavior on October 11, 2018, 01:06:11 AM
Thank you lareli for quoting from Ray's Tower paper. It was nice to read that paper, and where he quoted Isaiah 30:25 to try and make sense of a literal tragedy, and his belief that this was a "very specific catastrophe" and "to make public to our readers the prophetic implications of this colossal disaster".

I agree. I believe that event was an omen of things to come, continuing the unfortunate downward spiral of America, evident all these years later.

My main focus is as Ray has taught, to compare spiritual with spiritual. My lesser, but not neglected focus is on any other truth.

Dean
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: lareli on October 11, 2018, 04:06:28 PM
“Woe to them who call good evil and evil good”

We (society) don’t even attempt to discern between “good and evil” for ourselves anymore.. but instead we discern between “evil and lesser evil” instead. We think the “lesser evil” is “good”. At least in politics. We don’t even try to hide this either.

If I vote for the lesser of two evils then society tells me I’ve done “good”. But I haven’t. I’ve done “evil”.

If I say I will not vote for either of the two evils then society tells me I’ve done “evil”. But I haven’t. On the contrary I have refused to do evil.

This, to me, is calling good evil and evil good.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on October 28, 2018, 10:05:53 AM
Mat 24:10  And then many will be offended, and will betray one another, and will hate one another.

Offended...... I think this is becoming prevalent on every possible level of the definition.

G4624 Offended  skan-dal-id'-zo
To “scandalize”; from G4625; to entrap, that is, trip up (figuratively stumble [transitively] or entice to sin, apostasy or displeasure): - (make to) offend.

G4625 skan'-dal-on
A “scandal”; probably from a derivative of G2578; a trap stick (bent sapling), that is, snare (figuratively cause of displeasure or sin): - occasion to fall (of stumbling), offence, thing that offends, stumbling-block.

It is nearly impossible for anyone to question certain things or publically express any opinion other than that which has been deemed acceptable. Otherwise, someone will be offended. And it matters not whether you hold fast or say you are sorry. Saying you are sorry will not be sufficient. You are to be hated and destroyed. I personally believe this is something that ties in very closely with calling good evil and evil good.

Mike
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on October 28, 2018, 07:21:14 PM
Isa 2:7  Their land also is full of silver and gold, neither is there any end of their treasures; their land is also full of horses, neither is there any end of their chariots:

Over 70 million cars are produced each year. About 192,000 each day.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on October 31, 2018, 08:52:32 AM
Isa 2:8  And their land is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made.


I did a quick internet search and this is what I came up with:

"According to Variety, there are 564 award shows a year. 1.5 award shows a day. They give out 4025 trophies."

Below is a list of what one site has listed as the "35 Competitive Televised Awards Shows":

•Emmys (Rotating: Fox, NBC, CBS)
•Daytime Emmys (Pop)
•Creative Arts Emmys (FXX, starting in 2015)
•Oscars (ABC)
•Golden Globes (NBC)
•SAG Awards (Turner)
•BAFTAs (BBC America)
•Grammys (CBS)
•Tonys (CBS)
•Critics' Choice Movie Awards (A&E)
•Critics' Choice TV Awards (A&E)
•Independent Spirit Awards (IFC)
•MTV Movie Awards (MTV)
•MTV VMAs (MTV)
•MTVu Woodie Awards (MTVu)
•BET Awards (BET)
•BET Hip-Hop Awards (BET)
•Soul Train Awards (BET)
•CMT Music Awards (CMT)
•CMA Awards (ABC)
•Academy of Country Music Awards (CBS)
•American Country Countdown Awards (Fox)
•American Music Awards (ABC)
•iHeartRadio Music Awards (NBC)
•Billboard Music Awards (ABC)
•Kids' Choice Awards (Nickelodeon)
•Kids' Choice Sports Awards (Nickelodeon)
•People's Choice Awards (CBS)
•Teen Choice Awards (Fox)
•TV Land Awards (TV Land)
•Radio Disney Music Awards (Disney Channel)
•NewNowNext Awards (Logo)
•ESPYs (ESPN)
•Young Hollywood Awards (The CW)
•Latin Grammys (Univision)

Mike
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: yello62 on November 01, 2018, 07:21:24 AM
i should have started reading this thread when it was started.  i read a lot of thoughts that resonate with where i am, and what i have been saying for years.  how fascinating to watch the declarations made by The Father through His prophets come to fruition.

one of those declarations has to do with the increase in knowledge. within our lifetimes, the rate of increase in information has been staggering.  i heard, or read something relatively recently related to the volume of information that is produced daily that indicates that it is exponentially greater than that which was produced in all the prior years (i want to say in recorded history, as far fetched as that may seem).

the thing that i continue to point out, or the question i ask of my blinded family and friends, who are amazed at all the whiz bang technology; what has all this knowledge and technology done to truly provide the things we crave?  we desire intimacy, as it is fundamental to our creation.  there is an app that allows people to engage in sexual activity without real relationship being involved.  so now people have more access via technology to sexual liasons, but there is less real intimacy developed as a result.

i am an information technology guy.  i work in an i.t. capacity, and have done so for years.  i am no technophobe, but, i continue to think about the words in ecclesiastes: “Ecc 3:13  And, moreover, anyone of •humanity, That he should eat and -drink and -see good ifrom all his toil, It is a gift of Elohim.” CLT. the ability to enjoy what we have been given is a gift from The Almighty.  it is not dervived from a 75” 4k smart television with all the cable channels available, nor any of the other nonsense that is pitched as “life changing” tech.

we can be thankful to our Creator for the mercy that He has expressed in our lives, that we have the awarenesses that He has given us, and comforted by those same awarenesses knowing that what we are observing is according to His will, and will end with this evil age. 
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: yello62 on November 01, 2018, 08:10:25 AM
The legalization of same sex marriage  did not come about suddenly as some may think, but through years of litigation, resulting in a slow but steady effort to normalize by acceptance.  Reminds me of the frog in the simmering pot.

true story that points out that this was done with intent.

i was married to someone that is an episcopalian.  she decided that we needed to go to a religious retreat that was sponsored by the church that was billed as "A weekend with Jesus Christ".  it turned out that this retreat with Christ, was nothing more than an information session about an upcoming doctrinal change that legitimized homosexuality within the episcopalian church of america.  during the first session of the retreat, the individual that was driving the conversation talked about the different pieces of legislation that occurred over the previous decades to remove any legal barriers to the open practice of homosexuality in the country.  the work was likened to that done of the civil rights movement, where there was a coordinated and intentional strategy developed to dismantle the legal barriers that were in place enforcing jim crow laws. he indicated that, with the legal barriers removed, there was a concerted effort to change the hearts and minds of americans to a sympathetic posture of homosexuality through entertainment and other media. 

i was dumbfounded.  not only at the deception that had been perpetrated on my wife and i concerning the intent of the retreat, but that there was a known attempt at breaking down cultural walls and institutions.  i have come to believe that all of this is at the hand of The Father to fulfill His declarations, but at the time, i was amazed at the unfolding of the event, and how well it dovetailed into scripture.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on November 01, 2018, 04:03:10 PM
Micah  7 (NIV)

1 What misery is mine!
I am like one who gathers summer fruit
    at the gleaning of the vineyard;
there is no cluster of grapes to eat,
    none of the early figs that I crave.
2 The faithful have been swept from the land;
    not one upright person remains.
Everyone lies in wait to shed blood;
    they hunt each other with nets.
3 Both hands are skilled in doing evil;
    the ruler demands gifts,
the judge accepts bribes,
    the powerful dictate what they desire—
    they all conspire together.
4 The best of them is like a brier,
    the most upright worse than a thornhedge.
The day God visits you has come,
    the day your watchmen sound the alarm.
    Now is the time of your confusion.
5 Do not trust a neighbor;
    put no confidence in a friend.
Even with the woman who lies in your embrace
    guard the words of your lips.
6 For a son dishonors his father,
    a daughter rises up against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
    a man’s enemies are the members of his own household.


This is shockingly close to what we see in society today.

It’s almost as if Micah was watching the nightly news and seeing the content on social media. It’s as if he’s seen the latest movies churned out at an increasingly immoral Hollywood. Each generation is exposed to more and more of the raw brutality, illicit sex, and escalating violence in movies, video games, and sports.

What used to be PG or PB-13 was rated R about 10-15 years ago. That's a pretty rapid Decline , and I can't help but wonder what it will be like in another 10-15 years with things in such rapid descent.

Here in the US, we have cities that are so violent, that it's not uncommon to see bodies in the streets, on a daily basis, and even children walk past them without giving any notice, because It's  become their norm.  Many of our schools are becoming more like war zones instead of learning institutions.

Parents are killing their children, children are killing their patents - husbands and wives are killing eachother to get out of marriages instead of divorcing, and all of it is becoming the norm.

The simmering pot is nearing a slow boil.
 




Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Joel on November 01, 2018, 04:50:06 PM
Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


Joel
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ML on November 02, 2018, 12:09:24 AM
Quote
What used to be PG or PB-13 was rated R about 10-15 years ago. That's a pretty rapid Decline , and I can't help but wonder what it will be like in another 10-15 years with things in such rapid descent.
Not only that, but people delight in these things. They call it "entertainment." Don't know what is so entertaining about great evils, and encouraging others to do the same.

Along with that, is to talk of the great narcissistic attitude of culture. And the horrible effect it leaves people feeling about themselves, especially younger generations.

Oh, don't forget about today's "music." Don't even get me started on the perversion of Ariana Grande's "God is a woman."
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: yello62 on November 02, 2018, 06:26:52 PM
maybe it is the spirit within, but i have totally lost my taste for the garbage that is put out; movies, television, can't watch sports anymore, i can't even listen to music anymore, and i used to LOVE music.  can't read the papers, can't stomach the nonsense.  don't do facebook because i see it as a bunch of trash, don't do twitter for the same reasons.  i have found myself left with very few things in this evil age; i work, i trade, i read this forum, i watch some youtube stuff by a few folks that teach the salvation of all, and i watch videos about eating a vegan diet.  which, i guess is enough to keep me busy, but...

come, Lord Jesus Christ, come!
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ML on November 02, 2018, 07:04:07 PM
I find myself feeling the same way, and my distaste for worldly things has only increased, especially lately.

In terms of music, I love music, but I'm okay. Since 99% of mine has no vocals and lyrics, and is less known, don't have to worry about today's evils in music.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 03, 2018, 08:29:49 PM
Some of this has been touched on earlier here.

Psa 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

Dan 12:4  But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

This video is only a week old and is mind-blowing  https://youtu.be/LOJ1XmbSKhM (https://youtu.be/LOJ1XmbSKhM)

It would be awesome to get online and rotate the stars just like she does here.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on November 03, 2018, 09:19:50 PM
God couldn’t die for us so He made a Son who would. But first , Jesus created the universe.

Thanks Dennis , Awesome video... I want to rotate some stars too.😃💫✨☄️🔥💥🌏🌙🌔🌞

In Christ, Pamela

PS, I just finished listening to the audio ,,,Jesus, ugly,sickly,diseased.What an amazing and heartbreaking visual of our beautiful Lord. He is so strong. All Glory to Our Majesty on High.❤️I am so very thankful and He knows we all love Him to infinity and beyond Lord.😊

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 03, 2018, 09:20:24 PM
Dan 12:4  But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

And here is another favorite YouTube channel  https://youtu.be/bBZMAWwos1Y (https://youtu.be/bBZMAWwos1Y)

It's a live broadcast of an airport near Osaka Japan.

The best times are weekday rush-hours about 8:AM and 5:PM Japanese time which is +15 hours Central US time.

I know we've been flying for many years but it still freaks me out to see these monster aircraft jump into the sky.

And here are many live trains coming and going out of Osaka. https://youtu.be/H8LY9oqqzXM (https://youtu.be/H8LY9oqqzXM)

There are bullet trains at the top of the screen that rush to and fro.

I should note that these links sometimes get discarded and new links are used, but you can search YouTube and find them again when needed.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ML on November 03, 2018, 09:50:14 PM
Speaking of stars, I found out what stars actually look like. Far more amazing than most have ever known! This is just one design of a star. There are many different patterns they give off. These things naturally bounce around. You have to have a still telescope to capture them.

https://youtu.be/6tgxTCDjvBI

I promise, no commentary or anything. Just a video of one video.

A second short one on another star:

https://youtu.be/HBoFYYpOsPw
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on November 04, 2018, 03:37:52 PM
Dan 12:4  But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

And here is another favorite YouTube channel  https://youtu.be/bBZMAWwos1Y (https://youtu.be/bBZMAWwos1Y)

It's a live broadcast of an airport near Osaka Japan.

The best times are weekday rush-hours about 8:AM and 5:PM Japanese time which is +14 hours Central US time.

I know we've been flying for many years but it still freaks me out to see these monster aircraft jump into the sky.


Dennis,

Your mention of the airport reminded me of the times I had occasion to be at Philly International. If you stood in the right spot on a clear day you could see a continuous line-up of airplanes in the sky coming in, plane after plane, like a conveyor belt, one behind the other at a set distance, (I really don't know how far...maybe a mile apart?) until some were nothing more than a glimmer in the sun. It was fascinating and even a little unnerving to watch them appear one by one without end. I can only assume that there were an equal number taking off.

As far as the increase of knowledge is concerned.... here is an interesting quote:

Buckminster Fuller created the “Knowledge Doubling Curve”; he noticed that until 1900 human knowledge doubled approximately every century. By the end of World War II knowledge was doubling every 25 years. Today things are not as simple as different types of knowledge have different rates of growth. For example, nanotechnology knowledge is doubling every two years and clinical knowledge every 18 months. But on average human knowledge is doubling every 13 months. According to IBM, the build out of the “internet of things” will lead to the doubling of knowledge every 12 hours.

Mike
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: yello62 on November 04, 2018, 05:52:41 PM

Dennis,

Your mention of the airport reminded me of the times I had occasion to be at Philly International. If you stood in the right spot on a clear day you could see a continuous line-up of airplanes in the sky coming in, plane after plane, like a conveyor belt, one behind the other at a set distance, (I really don't know how far...maybe a mile apart?) until some were nothing more than a glimmer in the sun. It was fascinating and even a little unnerving to watch them appear one by one without end. I can only assume that there were an equal number taking off.

Mike

i worked the second shift at a hospital near o'hare airport in the 80s. a few times a week, one of the landing approaches had planes flying directly over the hospital.  on busy days, you would have a plane fly over every 90 seconds, and that would go on for hours.  i would watch the planes as i was eating my dinner and would try to keep count, and when the sun would set, you could see the lights of the planes stretched all the way out to lake michigan, probably 25 - 30 miles from the hospital. 
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: yello62 on November 08, 2018, 04:37:45 PM
live stream of the earth: https://youtu.be/J-wwcJC6K-A
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on November 08, 2018, 04:59:00 PM
Thankyou Yello62
I especially like the music. I hope and pray you are feeling better , God Bless You, Pamela
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on November 09, 2018, 08:53:00 AM
2Ti 3:1  Know this also, that in the last days grievous times will be at hand.
2Ti 3:2  For men will be self-lovers, money-lovers, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3  without natural affection, unyielding, false accusers, without self-control, savage, despisers of good,
2Ti 3:4  traitors, reckless, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
2Ti 3:5  having a form of godliness, but denying the power of it; even turn away from these.
Psa 35:20  For they do not speak peace; but they think deceitful things against the quiet ones of the earth.
Psa 35:21  And they widen their mouths against me; they say, Aha, aha! Our eyes have seen.

While, in my opinion, the Good News Bible is far from the best overall translation, I think it has a very good interpretation of the two verses I used from Psalms:

Psa 35:20  They do not speak in a friendly way; instead they invent all kinds of lies about peace-loving people. 
Psa 35:21  They accuse me, shouting, "We saw what you did!"

While this kind of situation has always existed, it seems to be escalating on all fronts both public and private. My wife and I have even been the victims of such behavior. Thankfully, it was disproven.

Mike 
 
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: lareli on November 09, 2018, 04:11:09 PM
Mat 24:10  And then many will be offended, and will betray one another, and will hate one another.

Offended...... I think this is becoming prevalent on every possible level of the definition.

G4624 Offended  skan-dal-id'-zo
To “scandalize”; from G4625; to entrap, that is, trip up (figuratively stumble [transitively] or entice to sin, apostasy or displeasure): - (make to) offend.

G4625 skan'-dal-on
A “scandal”; probably from a derivative of G2578; a trap stick (bent sapling), that is, snare (figuratively cause of displeasure or sin): - occasion to fall (of stumbling), offence, thing that offends, stumbling-block.

It is nearly impossible for anyone to question certain things or publically express any opinion other than that which has been deemed acceptable. Otherwise, someone will be offended. And it matters not whether you hold fast or say you are sorry. Saying you are sorry will not be sufficient. You are to be hated and destroyed. I personally believe this is something that ties in very closely with calling good evil and evil good.

Mike

Agreed %100.. I’ve heard someone describe today’s social climate as ‘outrage culture’. Being offended is seen by many as some kind of virtue..
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AwesomeSavior on November 11, 2018, 06:55:48 AM
I don't know if y'all are watching the news out of California, with the fires that are raging. Here is the headline from The Weather Channel's website (weather.com):

"Death Toll Doubles in California's Most Destructive Fire". (next page) "At Least 23 dead in Wildfire That Destroyed Northern California Town and Is Now The Most Destructive Fire in California History". Do you see how this event is now "historical" (keyword)?

Folks...these acts of God are getting very interesting for us Elect, and very serious to The Lord.

Why is this happening? The same reason for Hurricane Michael. I praise God that we are fortunate to be living in this part of His eon.

Dean
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: John from Kentucky on November 11, 2018, 06:23:02 PM
I don't know if y'all are watching the news out of California, with the fires that are raging. Here is the headline from The Weather Channel's website (weather.com):

"Death Toll Doubles in California's Most Destructive Fire". (next page) "At Least 23 dead in Wildfire That Destroyed Northern California Town and Is Now The Most Destructive Fire in California History". Do you see how this event is now "historical" (keyword)?

Folks...these acts of God are getting very interesting for us Elect, and very serious to The Lord.

Why is this happening? The same reason for Hurricane Michael. I praise God that we are fortunate to be living in this part of His eon.

Dean

These are not acts of God.  They are acts of Satan.

In the beginning of the Book of Job, we learn Satan brought the weather event that killed Job's children.  It was Satan that caused Job's other misfortunes and health problems.

It was God Who set the limits on how far Satan could go in the evil he did.

The Scriptures say Satan is the prince of the power of the air.  That he is the god of this world.  That he is a murderer and liar from his beginning.

The Book of James teaches all Good comes from God.

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AwesomeSavior on November 12, 2018, 10:00:07 AM
Did you forgot a couple of Ray's main teachings, JFK, which is "the sum of thy word is truth" (Psalm 119:160) and that "no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation" (2 Peter 1:20)?

If you would bother to read, from the book of Job, chapters 38-42... you would see that God is very capable of executing judgments in the natural realm all by HIMSELF, WITHOUT the use of Satan.

"Behold therefore the GOODNESS and SEVERITY of God: on them which fell, SEVERITY; but toward thee, GOODNESS, IF thou continue in HIS GOODNESS: otherwise thou also shalt be CUT OFF (Romans 11:22). Do you see the 2 or 3 witnesses in just that one verse? The sum of His word is truth.

Dean
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: yello62 on November 12, 2018, 12:02:03 PM
taken from the Darby translation: Is 45.7 "forming the light and creating darkness, making peace and creating evil: I, Jehovah, do all these things."
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: John from Kentucky on November 12, 2018, 04:31:14 PM
I am well aware of what the Scriptures teach on good and evil.  I am well aware of what Ray taught, which is the same as the Scriptures.

However some here do not have a complete understanding of this subject, which comes from the Holy Spirit.

Being Sovereign, God is responsible for all things, including evil.

But God does not do evil.  It is offensive to Him.  That is why Satan was created.  Satan is the direct causal agent and doer of evil acts.

God did not burn those poor people to death in their vehicles in the California fires.

It was Satan who did the evil deeds.

God limits what Satan does or it would have been much worse.

Some need to be careful what they attribute to our Great God.

For you who believe you know what Ray taught.  In the past, some said Ray believed God willed that some children be sexually abused and murdered.  Not so.  Read Ray's answer.
Pray that God gives you understanding.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AwesomeSavior on November 12, 2018, 06:33:11 PM
God does not do evil, eh JFK? No, that is wrong. God does not do WICKEDNESS. God does not do SINFUL ACTS. THAT is what is offensive to Him, JFK. Perhaps you should read more carefully what Ray taught regarding the evils in this world. When a man does an evil act, it is SIN, because the man is carnal. When God orchestrates an evil act, it is NOT sinful because GOD is not sinful.

Yello62 quoted an excellent verse from Isaiah 45:7, and I can match that verse with this verse: "Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it"? (Amos 3:6). There's the double witness on that subject.

Remember Noah's flood, JFK? What does God say about this flood?

"And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them". (Genesis 6:7)

"And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. (Genesis 6:13)

And for the grand finale of these verses...

"And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die". (Genesis 6:17)

Gee JFK, I guess God lied when He said, "And, behold, I, even I..." in the previous verse(s)?

You are way out of your league on this issue. I have been carefully documenting these events for the last 4 years. YOU?

Dean
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 12, 2018, 07:42:47 PM
Isa 45:7  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.


Ecc 1:13  I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens: it is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it.
(Concordant)
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: yello62 on November 12, 2018, 07:46:01 PM
Dean,

To understand that God orchestrates all to the effecting of His will has to be granted to be believed.  No, He does not do sin, as He cannot miss the mark, it is an impossibility as He has defined all of the marks.  Causing evil, calamitous events?  As you point out from the additional scriptures, that He does, and He does so to fulfill the purposes for which He made them.

Tony
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: yello62 on November 12, 2018, 07:46:37 PM

Ecc 1:13  I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens: it is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it.
(Concordant)

amen!
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AwesomeSavior on November 12, 2018, 08:14:22 PM
Thank you, Dennis and Tony, for your additional verses and insight.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 12, 2018, 08:14:34 PM
Jer 51:20  Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms;
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 12, 2018, 09:10:36 PM
...
But God does not do evil.  It is offensive to Him.  That is why Satan was created.  Satan is the direct causal agent and doer of evil acts.

God did not burn those poor people to death in their vehicles in the California fires.

It was Satan who did the evil deeds.

God limits what Satan does or it would have been much worse.
...

Just making sure everyone understands that I agree with John. God uses some as tools. But He cannot sin.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: yello62 on November 12, 2018, 10:04:25 PM
Dennis, no one has said that God sins.  In fact, I thought I indicated that it is impossible for God to sin.  It is not fathomable that He can sin.  But sinning, and causing calamitous events are different things.

Please allow me to be clear as to what i believe, God can in no way sin, it is am impossibility of fact!
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on November 12, 2018, 10:13:02 PM
From LOF 11 Origin of sin, all caps Ray’s.
JOB 26
But the crooked serpent God formed by His hand ,,,,AT ARMS LENGTH, thus indicating
it was something necessary but not of His HEART AND SPIRIT.

Isaiah 54:17
Behold I have created the smith that blows the coals in the fire and that brings
forth an instrument for His work and I have created the waster to destroy.

Who’s role is it to destroy the flesh of man so that the spirit may be saved?
I have created the waster to destroy.

Email, Why would God create evil
As God does not DIRECTLY try anyone, He had to create adversaries to do this dirty work,
and so God created His own adversary, Satan the devil. There are lesser adversaries in the form of demons.

It is the crooked serpent Satan who goes to and fro and up and down in the earth! God created
Satan for this purpose.

I also agree with Dennis and John. I remember Ray teaching that God cannot look upon evil.
In Christ, Pamela
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: yello62 on November 12, 2018, 10:26:20 PM
Are my posts getting missed?  I never said that God sins.  And Pamela, I agree 100% that God created the adversary for the express purpose of the work that he does.  In fact, no adversary, no Christ.  it was part of the job of the adversary to reveal Christ. 
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 13, 2018, 05:34:26 AM
Are my posts getting missed?  I never said that God sins.  And Pamela, I agree 100% that God created the adversary for the express purpose of the work that he does.  In fact, no adversary, no Christ.  it was part of the job of the adversary to reveal Christ.

I did not have you in mind at all when I made that post. I realized I may have made it sound like I was criticizing John and wanted to make sure no one thought that. That's all.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: yello62 on November 13, 2018, 09:19:48 AM
i misunderstood, i apologize.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on November 13, 2018, 05:22:22 PM
Dean,

Your narrative regarding Gods wrath being directed on those today,  trying to enforce land boundaries on Israel, is based on the old covenant thinking.

The New Jerusalem is NOT the Old Jerusalem restored. It is a new location. And its temple is our body.

The prophet tells us God's reasons for leaving Jerusalem in Jer. 7:9-11,

(9) Will you steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and offer sacrifices to Baal, and walk after other gods that you have not known, (10) then come and stand before Me in this house, which is called by My name, and say, 'We are delivered!'--that you may do all these abominations? (11) Has this house, which is called by My name, become a den of robbers in your sight?

This same indictment came upon the second temple, when Jesus cast out the bankers from the temple (Matt. 21:12, 13). In applying that wording to the second temple, Jesus was prophesying its destruction as in the days of Jeremiah.

Back in the days of Joshua, Israel set up the Ark of the Covenant in a town of Ephraim called Shiloh (Joshua 18:1). Jeremiah says in 7:12,

"But go now to My place which was in Shiloh, where I made My name dwell at the first, and see what I did to it because of the wickedness of My people Israel."

Three or four centuries later, God found fault with Jerusalem in the same manner as with Shiloh, according to Jeremiah. The temple in Jerusalem had become "a den of robbers" (i.e., a hideout and refuge from the law).

"(14) Therefore, I will do to the house which is called by Name, in which you trust, and to the place which I gave you and your fathers, as I did to Shiloh. (15) And I will cast you out of My sight, as I have cast out all your brothers, all the offspring of Ephraim."

Ezekiel 10:4says "the glory of God went up from the cherub to the threshold of the temple." In verse 19 the glory of His presence moved to the east gate. Finally in 11:23,

"And the glory of the Lord went up from the midst of the city and stood over the mountain which is east of the city."

Jesus came as the representative of the glory of God. After His death and resurrection, He ascended to heaven on the Mount of Olives Acts 1:12

This completed God's exodus from Jerusalem, now that Jesus had finished His ministry there. The glory of God had to ascend first in order to return to the new Temple ten days later on the day of Pentecost. This new Temple is made of "living stones" (1 Peter 2:5). Paul says in 1 Cor. 3:16,

"Do you not know that you are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?"

When God left Shiloh, He never returned. God then left Jerusalem and treated that city "as I did to Shiloh." Since the fulfillment of Pentecost in Acts 2:1, He has chosen to indwell human flesh as His Temple. Each of us is a temple individually, but speaking corporately, we are each just one living stone in a collective Temple Eph. 2:21

If I'm misunderstanding your narrative, please correct me, otherwise I'm confused. Why is God protecting the interests of modern day Israel?







Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AwesomeSavior on November 13, 2018, 09:03:38 PM
Hi Wanda:

I am well aware that the Jews living in Israel are not spiritual Jews, and are not heirs of the salvation of Jesus [until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in (Luke 21:24 and Romans 11:25)]. I know that these promises are only for The Elect. I know.

That being said... I will quote numerous Scriptures from the book of Romans, mostly from chapter 11, but also from chapter 9, and a few from the Old Testament. They won't be in perfect chronological order. See if these Scriptures show that God still treasures the NATURAL Jews; I am using all these Scriptures to answer your concerns. I will start with Romans chapter nine, and I will use capital letters for emphasis.

"I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost. That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that MYSELF WERE ACCURSED from Christ for my BRETHREN, my kinsmen according to the FLESH: Who ARE ISRAELITES; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose ARE the FATHERS, and of whom as concerning the FLESH Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. (Romans 9:1-5)

"I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I ALSO am an ISRAELITE, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew..." (Romans 11:1-2). There is a double witness that God has NOT cast them away.

"I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for TO PROVOKE THEM TO JEALOUSY" (Romans 11:11).

"Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how MUCH MORE their FULNESS?" (Romans 11:12)

"For if the casting away of them BE THE RECONCILING OF THE WORLD, what shall THE RECEIVING OF THEM BE, but life from the dead?" (Romans 11:15)

"BOAST NOT against the branches...(Romans 11:18)

"Thou will say then, The (natural) branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well, because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. BE NOT HIGHMINDED, BUT FEAR: For if God spared not the NATURAL BRANCHES, take heed lest he also not spare thee" (Romans 11:19-21).  "And if some of the (natural) branches be broken off, and THOU, being a WILD olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;" (Romans 11:17). " For if THOU wert cut out of the olive tree which is WILD by nature, and wert grafted CONTRARY TO NATURE into a good olive tree: HOW MUCH MORE shall these, WHICH BE THE NATURAL BRANCHES, be grafted into THEIR OWN olive tree? (Romans 11:24). Paul made clear who are the wild branches, and who are the natural branches.

"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, LEST YOU SHOULD BE WISE IN YOUR OWN CONCEITS; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles be come in". (Romans 11:25)

"As concerning the GOSPEL, they are ENEMIES for your sakes: but as touching the ELECTION, they are BELOVED for the father's sakes.  For the gifts and calling of God are WITHOUT REPENTANCE" (Romans 11:28-29).

Just to be clear, and to repeat my first sentence... I am well aware that they are not the spiritual heirs of the promises of Jesus, as those promises are for people that God has chosen from each generation, beginning at Pentecost. However, Paul made it clear that they are the NATURAL branches in verses 21 and 24, and we are the WILD branches grafted into the olive tree, in verses 17 and 24. And even though they are enemies as concerning the gospel, they are beloved for the father's sake (the Patriarchs).

The original land grant given to Abraham and HIS SEED is found in Genesis 15:18, and it stretches from the Nile River in the middle of Egypt to the Euphrates River, running through the midst of modern day Iraq. God says He SWARES this land unto them and their seed (Deuteronomy 1:8 and Deuteronomy 6:10).

So, in conclusion, even though the spiritual promises of God are only for The Elect, the NATURAL promises of that land in the Middle East are still in force today, and I can easily prove it because I have been personally keeping track of the headlines regarding America trying to divide that Land, and also before I started keeping track, through research, of attempts made by this country to do this very thing in the past, going back to 1991 and the event known as The Perfect Storm, which was made into a Hollywood movie. I can say and post with confidence when God is going to send another catastrophe upon America, only because God is causing me to watch this situation like a HAWK.

I became very interested when Dennis made this thread, in trying to decipher any signs of end time prophecy. I held off posting for a while, until I saw certain headlines and then went immediately to The Weather Channel's website, and saw Hurricane Michael developing, which I KNEW was going to develop into a monster storm BEFORE it struck the Florida panhandle, and you can go back to my original post on October 8th to see my prediction before that storm struck land.

I don't take these events lightly; they are very sobering, and I very much DREAD what is coming in the near future, if you know what I mean...

The spiritual promises belong only to The Elect; however, the natural land promises... still belong to the Jews of the Middle East, and I am watching the headlines so as to not be caught off guard by any forthcoming disasters, which WILL be coming upon this country.

Dean
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: John from Kentucky on November 13, 2018, 11:03:31 PM
None of the Old Testament figures are all that important.  Their stories are only for examples for the Elect.

In Galatians 3:16 we learn Isaac is unimportant.  Jesus is the One Seed and heir of all the Promises.  It is Jesus Who will save all the nation's.  Save everyone.

Later in chapter 3, we learn there are no divisions between Jew or Gentile, Male or Female, Free or Slave, we are all One in Christ Jesus and heir of all the Promises through Jesus.  It is the Elect who are the Israel of God.

The physical is not important.  Only Spiritual Truths matter.

Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit says the LORD GOD Almighty.  Zech.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AwesomeSavior on November 13, 2018, 11:35:09 PM
Nothing matters until it matters, eh John?
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: lareli on November 14, 2018, 01:08:24 PM
Dean I hear what you’re saying about physical Israel not being insignificant or unimportant in Gods plans... the scriptures you provided are helpful.

But I don’t think the US has ever truly attempted to divide the land of Israel. Your source for believing this is the “headlines”. I think that the “headlines” have become a sort of “false prophet” when we take what they say as truth. One of the many uses of “headlines” are to influence how we feel and to influence what we believe to be true. They’re purpose is not always to give us unbiased truth.

In regards to dividing Israel, The US may go on record as saying they support this thing or that thing but has there ever been any real action to back it up? On the contrary what we do see as far as actual deeds done toward Israel, is massive amounts of money going from the US to Israel. Like Billions per year. I did a quick google search of ‘us aid to Israel per year’ and the first link says the US gives Israel something like 10million dollars per day!

No matter which party is in power the money flows. So far as I can tell the US occasionally gives lip service to the world in regards to supporting the land divide but in deed the US is very loyal to Israel.... BUT, I have not spent nearly as much time as you have studying this stuff so I may be totally off base here..

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on November 14, 2018, 02:31:29 PM
I believe we suffer the fate of our own sins, both collectively as a nation and as individuals. As far as the present-day nation of Israel is concerned, America looks to be its only friend at the moment. And as far as the promise to Abrahams seed whose physical descendants were not just the Jews, here are two excerpts from Ray’s “When the Towers Fall” which is well worth reading over again from time to time:

WHEN GENTILES ARE JEWS AND JEWS ARE NOT JEWS
[Is American Part of Prophecy?]
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Now for one of the most profound scriptural truths you will ever learn; nowhere taught or believed in Christendom. 
According to virtually all Christian teachers and scholars, when prophecy mentions Jerusalem, Judah, or Israel, it is speaking of literal Jerusalem, Judah, or Israel. For them, if "context, context, context" is the god of theological interpretation, then "literal, literal, literal," has got to be their vice-god. If this is true, then when it speaks of "Abraham's seed," it must mean "literal" bloodline descendants of Abraham, correct? No, NOT correct! *

*The above emphasis was mine.... All the emphasis below is Ray's

According to God, are those literal, physical Jews of the racial line of Abraham who are circumcised in the flesh, "Jews." NO, former pagan Gentiles are the TRUE JEWS according to Scripture.

But weren't all the "promises" to Abraham for "HIS SEED? Yes, of course, but the question now is, "Who IS Abraham's seed?"

"Not as though the word of God has taken none effect [God is not contradicting here] . For they are NOT all Israel, which are Israel. Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children, but, In Isaac shall your seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the FLESH, these are NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: but the children of the PROMISE ARE counted for the seed" (Rom. 9:6-8).

Yes, God intended from the beginning that the TRUE JEW, the SPIRITUAL JEW, the TRUE SEED of Abraham, the TRUE HEIR to the promises was to be the GENTILES!

"And if you [Paul is writing to GENTILE Galatians] be Christ's, then are you Abraham's SEED, and HEIRS according to the PROMISE" (Gal. 3:29).

Mike
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 14, 2018, 04:04:06 PM
Dan 12:4  But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

We don't know anything for absolute certainty yet. Maybe, Maybe Not.

It seems evident to me that we are in or very close to the end times but I'm always reminded of what someone told me many years ago when I was in the WWCG and they had that "1975 in prophecy" pamphlet saying the end was going to occur in 1975. She was in her 40's when she said: "everyone thinks they are living in the end times." She had just gone thru WWII and they were certain the end was at hand back then.

But part of my motive for starting this topic was to see what everyone else is thinking.

And I know it's been hard for some not to go political. So thank you for that.


Hurricane Michael was really bad but Hurricane Camile in 1969 was much worse. And if you are talking about loss of life then The Great Galveston Storm in 1900 was the worst.



Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on November 14, 2018, 05:25:07 PM
Thanks Dean. I see you have been quiet diligent in your efforts and I can not begin to know the path God leads you, however my views and understanding do differ.

I see the entire story of Israel under Moses and Joshua as an imperfect model of what should come later, for it was done under a covenant that was conditional upon the people’s  keeping their vow in Exodus 19:8. This proved to be an utter failure, as history shows, for that kingdom eventually was destroyed and cast out of the land. God then began to set forth the New Covenant plan that could not fail, and this is what we see happening today.

Though the original plan failed as God intended,  its revelation, laws, and historic patterns prophesied of the new plan that would succeed. For me, it feels wrong to apply the Old Covenant methods of conquest to New Covenant times, because the two covenants each employ a different kind of sword, one physical and the other spiritual.

The Jewish state has never been at rest since its inception in 1948, nor does anyone live securely.

God chose Abraham and his seed to be a blessing to all families of the earth.
Should we not expect the true, godly Jews of Israel today  to be fulfilled by peace, righteousness, and justice as God intended? This is the contrast between the old Jerusalem and the New, between carnal and spiritual, between counterfeit and genuine.

Is a physically circumcised adherent of the Old Covenant  a Jew in the eyes of God, and a true  follower of Jesus Christ, the Mediator of the New Covenant?

As we know, God sees the end from the beginning, and just maybe he has planned something unexpected for the territory given to  Abraham back in Genesis, it does after all belong to God, as all things do.  Or perhaps we should view the territory as spiritual and not physical as Christianity does. The latter would certainly separate us from the world, with all it's deceitful political and religious trappings.






















Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on November 14, 2018, 06:21:06 PM
Gen.6:5
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination
of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Luke 17:26
And as it was in the days of Noah, so it also shall be.

“You know the whole thing has so crept up on us that many of us have not seen it coming.
Don’t even see it now. Don’t realize the extent of the perversion and evil in the world. It’s pretty bad”..... Ray

“If you break one of God’s laws , your guilty of all”. L Ray Smith
I agree with ya Mike, our sins have gone to high heaven.

Though God’s ways are sometimes mysterious ,( no kidding Lord)😬 the righteous shall live by His faith while
awaiting salvation. (Habakkuk intro.)

Habakkuk’s complaint is very interesting and the Lords answer says
Look among the nations and see wonder and be astounded. For I am doing
a work in your days that you would not believe if told.
For behold I am raising up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation
who march through the breadth of the earth to seize
dwellings not their own.

Does in your days mean now in our time ? And who are the Chaldeans? Can someone help me please.
 We are in the middle of a scary windstorm and my I pad only works when it feels like it so I want to post before we lose power or this iPad
quits on me again. ❤️
In Christ, Pamela


Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: yello62 on November 14, 2018, 07:03:32 PM
Dan 12:4  But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

We don't know anything for absolute certainty yet. Maybe, Maybe Not.

It seems evident to me that we are in or very close to the end times but I'm always reminded of what someone told me many years ago when I was in the WWCG and they had that "1975 in prophecy" pamphlet saying the end was going to occur in 1975. She was in her 40's when she said: "everyone thinks they are living in the end times." She had just gone thru WWII and they were certain the end was at hand back then.

But part of my motive for starting this topic was to see what everyone else is thinking.

And I know it's been hard for some not to go political. So thank you for that.


Hurricane Michael was really bad but Hurricane Camile in 1969 was much worse. And if you are talking about loss of life then The Great Galveston Storm in 1900 was the worst.

dennis,

my feeling is also that we are near to Christ's return for many of the reasons given by the scriptures articulated in this thread.  the truth is that, since His ascension, those of us that have been placed in Christ have always been near to Christ's return, as close as our last breath.

tony
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on November 14, 2018, 11:32:48 PM
Friend Tony,
I used to think that I would like to be alive when our Lord returns, in order to see that event with my own eyes.
But the way things are progressing, the end may be something that no one should desire to see.

As an older and perhaps wiser fellow I have changed my thinking and am contented to let God decide the timing according to His love for me.

Indiana bob




Dan 12:4  But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

We don't know anything for absolute certainty yet. Maybe, Maybe Not.

It seems evident to me that we are in or very close to the end times but I'm always reminded of what someone told me many years ago when I was in the WWCG and they had that "1975 in prophecy" pamphlet saying the end was going to occur in 1975. She was in her 40's when she said: "everyone thinks they are living in the end times." She had just gone thru WWII and they were certain the end was at hand back then.

But part of my motive for starting this topic was to see what everyone else is thinking.

And I know it's been hard for some not to go political. So thank you for that.


Hurricane Michael was really bad but Hurricane Camile in 1969 was much worse. And if you are talking about loss of life then The Great Galveston Storm in 1900 was the worst.

dennis,

my feeling is also that we are near to Christ's return for many of the reasons given by the scriptures articulated in this thread.  the truth is that, since His ascension, those of us that have been placed in Christ have always been near to Christ's return, as close as our last breath.

tony
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ML on November 14, 2018, 11:56:05 PM
Strange how no one has mentioned this verse yet:

Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 

Hab 2:14  For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. 
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Doug on November 15, 2018, 11:31:35 AM
Hi Dennis,

I think many of us think we are near the end times. Did Ray speak about what to expect in the end times and the time span? Must admit I pray for Christ return but there are many times think it would be much easier to die before having to experience the end times.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 15, 2018, 12:16:20 PM
Hi Dennis,

I think many of us think we are near the end times. Did Ray speak about what to expect in the end times and the time span? Must admit I pray for Christ return but there are many times think it would be much easier to die before having to experience the end times.

Only what's posted on YouTube and bible-truths.com Doug.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 15, 2018, 12:20:00 PM
Strange how no one has mentioned this verse yet:

Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Hab 2:14  For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Has - "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world" - happened yet? Opinions?
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: yello62 on November 15, 2018, 02:05:14 PM
Friend Tony,
I used to think that I would like to be alive when our Lord returns, in order to see that event with my own eyes.
But the way things are progressing, the end may be something that no one should desire to see.

As an older and perhaps wiser fellow I have changed my thinking and am contented to let God decide the timing according to His love for me.

Indiana bob




Dan 12:4  But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

We don't know anything for absolute certainty yet. Maybe, Maybe Not.

It seems evident to me that we are in or very close to the end times but I'm always reminded of what someone told me many years ago when I was in the WWCG and they had that "1975 in prophecy" pamphlet saying the end was going to occur in 1975. She was in her 40's when she said: "everyone thinks they are living in the end times." She had just gone thru WWII and they were certain the end was at hand back then.

But part of my motive for starting this topic was to see what everyone else is thinking.

And I know it's been hard for some not to go political. So thank you for that.


Hurricane Michael was really bad but Hurricane Camile in 1969 was much worse. And if you are talking about loss of life then The Great Galveston Storm in 1900 was the worst.

dennis,

my feeling is also that we are near to Christ's return for many of the reasons given by the scriptures articulated in this thread.  the truth is that, since His ascension, those of us that have been placed in Christ have always been near to Christ's return, as close as our last breath.

tony

bob,

my understanding of the scriptures is that 2/3rds of the earth's population will be destroyed prior to Christ's return.  no one who is aware of that fact, including me, wants to experience that, or have their loved ones go through that.  that was not my point.  this age has to end, and God will meet out His justice, and then we move into the next phase of God's declarations, which is Christ's return.

i personally do not believe that those of us that are placed will experience the events, but our loved ones will, and that is painful to me.

hope this clarifies a bit.

tony
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on November 15, 2018, 02:22:27 PM
We don't know anything for absolute certainty yet. Maybe, Maybe Not.

It seems evident to me that we are in or very close to the end times but I'm always reminded of what someone told me many years ago when I was in the WWCG and they had that "1975 in prophecy" pamphlet saying the end was going to occur in 1975.

Dennis,

I remember reading this pamphlet when I was about 14; actually it was more like a small book if I remember correctly. It was illustrated very dismally. Scary stuff for a youngster. It affected me for quite some time. And man-o-man, was I glad to see that year come and go  :o.



Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Has - "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world" - happened yet? Opinions?

That has to be one of the toughest questions I've ever seen on this board. There certainly is no doubt that the so-called "gospel" of mainstream Christianity has been preached. (Speaking of the WWCG, Herbert Armstrong claimed it had been preached...think 1975).
As far as the REAL gospel is concerned, it seems as though it is 'available' because of the internet, but I personally am at an impasse as to whether or not it has truly been preached in all the world.

Mike
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 15, 2018, 02:43:27 PM
Php 1:17  But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.

Php 1:18  What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

I'm not sure either. This may or may not help?
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on November 15, 2018, 09:40:11 PM
In pretense or in truth, Christ is preached. Is that the same as the foolishness of preaching?

I think Christ is being preached IN PRETENSE AND TRUTH all over you tube, news stories.
and Christian articles , science , etc. Everyone sees what’s happening in the world, most
ignore it or blame climate change or just don’t have any idea why all the violence is increasing
all over the world. No one can deny the chaos that’s taking place or the stupidity of government.
The literal teaching of the book of Revelation is being talked about by people on Facebook,
even animated little movies of the saints riding on white horses following Christ and they are headed to the earth to rapture all the christians, I’m sorry , but I find this amusing. I know
many terrible things are happening but I also see and hear so much nonsense.
It all feels so surreal but then I see all these airplane crashes , some are tragic and some are
miracles with no casualties. The fires in California take lives but the fire that destroyed the town
of Ft Macmurry here in Canada where there was only one road in and out took no lives and
there were 80,000 people fleeing. Also there are a lot of politicians being  exposed for various crimes. I read a lot of comments from people in our news articles and around the world.
People are scared and angry and are learning about the deceit of not only their leaders but
also their churches. To me this is good news because eyes are being opened. Churches are
being exposed and divided like the big ones in Russia and Ukraine, unfortunately lots of christian
persecution is on the rise and it’s very sad but we all know it has to be this way. I think we all know what’s happening now and that’s it’s going to get worse. God has all evil framed and is
is in total control . I too am heartbroken for my family and all families but Our God is bringing
all of these secret and vile sins to the surface for humans to see how sick we are without Our
God. This free will has to go because mankind is so arrogant and opionated and everyone analyzes everyone else, especially in the news but this is as its supposed to be isn’t it. People are talking about the two taboos now ,,,,politics and religion. Ray said God is going to give
the world a bath wether it wants it or not.
I love this fellowship and assembly in spirit with our Lord. Sometimes I shake my head and cry
because I know He is with us all, all the time. We are family, let’s pray for courage and endurance
and mercy while we wait for Our Lord. I really would love it if we could discuss the scriptures more.
Also , no matter the question the answer is always.   All is of God.
One more thing. I remember Ray saying . The more flesh that dies the more spiritual we become.
I know this applies to us individually but is it not also happening collectively in all humanity?
There is a lot of flesh dying these days and People are inquiring about Jesus, even some of my family members and I can say without a doubt that when my family asks about God , then something is up.😃 All PRAISE AND GLORY TO OUR AWESOME SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST.❤️
Dennis, you asked for opinions. This is mine, cause Our God provided me with a new I pad
that didn’t cut out on me. God is good.😁
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on November 16, 2018, 11:13:00 AM
Thanks Pamela,

I appreciate the way you explained your understanding.
Our flesh has to be reduced in order for the spiritual to increase within each of us.

Very well stated. I-bob


Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 16, 2018, 11:17:59 AM
Strange how no one has mentioned this verse yet:

Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Hab 2:14  For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Has - "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world" - happened yet? Opinions?

I occurred to me that it does not say this gospel will be preached and understood.

It just says "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world."

And it did not say "unto all the world" which is used 2448 times in the KJ - NT and more personal.

For the first 4 or 5 years BT was available in China and we even received emails from Mainland China. Then they cut us and all Christian sites off.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 16, 2018, 12:11:22 PM
 Musterseed mentioned Christian's being persecuted and that is happening here in the US and certainly in the Middle East and other countries. I just read about a Christian woman in the US who was fired because she did not agree with LGBTG ideology. Canada is leading the way in North America.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ML on November 16, 2018, 02:12:58 PM
This discussion does touch on preterism
(I'm not one) but 2 questions.

Some argue that world in verses like the Matthew 24 one refer to Roman Civilization. What do you think of that?

And, saw someone use a couple Scriptures to say Paul somehow fulfilled that prophesy:

[Col 1:5-6 KJV] 5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; 6 Which is come unto you, as [it is] in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as [it doth] also in you, since the day ye heard [of it], and knew the grace of God in truth:

[Col 1:5-6, 23 KJV] 5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; 6 Which is come unto you, as [it is] in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as [it doth] also in you, since the day ye heard [of it], and knew the grace of God in truth: ... 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

[Rom 10:16-18 KJV] 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on November 16, 2018, 04:08:37 PM

Quote
This discussion does touch on preterism
(I'm not one) but 2 questions.

Some argue that world in verses like the Matthew 24 one refer to Roman Civilization. What do you think of that?

In Romans 10:13, Paul states that everyone had heard the message, but in Colossians 1:25, he says,  "I was made a minister according to the stewardship from God bestowed on me for your benefit so that I might complete the preaching of the word of God." All nations had heard, but the work was not finished. More people could be reached.

People from all around the world heard the Gospel before the Old Covenant age ended in 70AD. But the end of the Great Commission was just the beginning.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on November 16, 2018, 04:39:05 PM
Dennis,
I have a question about preaching "the gospel" in all the world.
Many denominations feel called to send whole bibles or new testaments to other nations, even in their native language, but is that the gospel?
What gospel did Paul preach in Greece or Rome? To non-believers.
Paul didn't have a complete set of scrolls of the Jewish scripture with him on the road as far as I could tell. Also he preached verbally from memory and didn't have to prove anything from writing, although men from Berea did search the scripture to prove to themselves what he had said.
Maybe the "gospel" can be taught a lot more simply than most believe that it can be.
Please comment. Indiana bob




Strange how no one has mentioned this verse yet:

Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Hab 2:14  For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Has - "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world" - happened yet? Opinions?

I occurred to me that it does not say this gospel will be preached and understood.

It just says "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world."

And it did not say "unto all the world" which is used 2448 times in the KJ - NT and more personal.

For the first 4 or 5 years BT was available in China and we even received emails from Mainland China. Then they cut us and all Christian sites off.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 16, 2018, 05:10:04 PM
Dennis,
I have a question about preaching "the gospel" in all the world.
Many denominations feel called to send whole bibles or new testaments to other nations, even in their native language, but is that the gospel?
What gospel did Paul preach in Greece or Rome? To non-believers.
Paul didn't have a complete set of scrolls of the Jewish scripture with him on the road as far as I could tell. Also he preached verbally from memory and didn't have to prove anything from writing, although men from Berea did search the scripture to prove to themselves what he had said.
Maybe the "gospel" can be taught a lot more simply than most believe that it can be.
Please comment. Indiana bob

Strange how no one has mentioned this verse yet:

Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Hab 2:14  For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Has - "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world" - happened yet? Opinions?

I occurred to me that it does not say this gospel will be preached and understood.

It just says "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world."

And it did not say "unto all the world" which is used 2448 times in the KJ - NT and more personal.

For the first 4 or 5 years BT was available in China and we even received emails from Mainland China. Then they cut us and all Christian sites off.

Can anyone define the Gospel in one short sentence? Because I cannot.

We know about the four commonly called 'Gospel Books', Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Is there more to the gospel than what's in those four books?

I know there are many pieces of the Gospel (good news) and I'm fairly sure I know all the pieces. But what pieces exactly?

Before anyone answers please listen to these three YouTube teachings by Ray. It may take you a few days.

https://youtu.be/rozQU2cPCFc (https://youtu.be/rozQU2cPCFc)

https://youtu.be/NOtRDU3fIZ0 (https://youtu.be/NOtRDU3fIZ0)

https://youtu.be/o5YCfZQ7XfU (https://youtu.be/o5YCfZQ7XfU)

One sentence - Not a book please
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ML on November 16, 2018, 05:38:12 PM
Dennis, how about this?

I Cor. 15   Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I proclaimed to you.. For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,  and that he was buried, and that he was raised up on the third day according to the scriptures..
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 16, 2018, 05:58:02 PM
Dennis, how about this?

I Cor. 15   Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I proclaimed to you.. For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,  and that he was buried, and that he was raised up on the third day according to the scriptures..

Ray shoots that down at the start of the first video.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ML on November 16, 2018, 06:05:21 PM
Dennis, how about this?

I Cor. 15   Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I proclaimed to you.. For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,  and that he was buried, and that he was raised up on the third day according to the scriptures..

Ray shoots that down at the start of the first video.
Yeah, I just remembered watching those before.

How about this?

Colossians 1
20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

I tried lol.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on November 16, 2018, 07:06:46 PM
Good News,Kingdom of God taught for our admonition. The called and chosen.

Romans 16:25
Now to Him who is able to strengthen you, according to my gospel and the preaching
of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long ages, 26
but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all
nations according to the command of the eternal God 27, to bring about the obedience of
faith——-27, to the only wise God be glory forevermore through Jesus Christ! Amen.

My understanding.😊
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on November 16, 2018, 08:03:08 PM
AH,,, Luke 4:18 ?
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on November 16, 2018, 10:19:42 PM
Pamela,
That is a good one, but that was Jesus preaching to Jews in the synagogue and those folks heard preaching from the holy scripture every week.
I was thinking more about apostle Paul teaching a new and better covenant to gentiles in Greece and Rome. People who for the most part were never acquainted with scripture.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on November 16, 2018, 11:58:00 PM
Thanks I bob
People who were never acquainted with scripture, you just described me before BT.😂

I am reading LOF 7 and 8.

Here’s something Ray wrote.
As long as people think what Jesus taught was physical, and material and literal little stories
about people , places and things,so that everyone could understand Him ,cannot hear words of spirit with physical ears.

This is Christiandom right through the ages ( the folks who hear scripture every week)according to what I am learning tonight about
the seven churches of Revelation.
Ray,,,, “ The contents of this prophecy started with vision of John 2000 years ago and will
continue until the return of Christ and judgement of the world.”
I’m not finished reading yet , a little more and then bedtime.
What do you think Ibob , what is the gospel. It’s interesting to know what we all think. Maybe
if we put all our brains together , we will get one good one. Hahaha.😂 Goodnight my friend.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 17, 2018, 09:58:40 AM
Thanks I bob
People who were never acquainted with scripture, you just described me before BT.😂

I am reading LOF 7 and 8.

Here’s something Ray wrote.
As long as people think what Jesus taught was physical, and material and literal little stories
about people , places and things,so that everyone could understand Him ,cannot hear words of spirit with physical ears.

This is Christiandom right through the ages ( the folks who hear scripture every week)according to what I am learning tonight about
the seven churches of Revelation.
Ray,,,, “ The contents of this prophecy started with vision of John 2000 years ago and will
continue until the return of Christ and judgement of the world.”
I’m not finished reading yet , a little more and then bedtime.
What do you think Ibob , what is the gospel. It’s interesting to know what we all think. Maybe
if we put all our brains together , we will get one good one. Hahaha.😂 Goodnight my friend.

The way Ray wrote that is more in line with what I had in mind (not his exact words). So maybe something that starts like...

The good news Gospel: God is reproducing himself with Sons and Daughters that have to endure to the end in this fleshly life. God is calling out some now, and out of the called He is selecting a relative few (called and chosen) to reign in His Kingdom. The chosen are being judged now before the great World Judgement occurs where the rest of humanity will be judged and saved...

I'm not standing by everything I said above as part of the Gospel, but maybe it is. But there are other parts to be included and perhaps we will have to omit some things later because they are not part of the "good news."

And like I said, being preached and understood by the world are two different things. IMO, the understood part will be mostly missing in the world, but none-the-less the Gospel was preached if all the words were conveyed and understood to some degree.

I'm glad you found that Musterseed. It shows how Ray was thinking about this.

Pro 11:14  Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.

Pro 15:22  Designs are quashed when there is no deliberation, Yet with many counselors each plan shall be confirmed." (Concordant)







Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: lareli on November 17, 2018, 12:03:01 PM
They will endure but they will also sacrifice.

Each are guilty for all the sins of humanity, but there’s redemption through proper sacrifice. Following Christ’s example the ultimate sacrifice is that of ourselves to God.. over and over each new day.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on November 17, 2018, 01:32:55 PM
Dennis
I was thinking about you saying about how knowledge will be increased ( but not necessarily
understood) and this scripture came to mind.
Matt 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets( a prophet is also a teacher and prophesying
is teaching) and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that if it were possible, they
shall deceive THE VERY ELECT...... This is from LOF 8

Jesus gives us the identifying signs of these false teachers a nd deceivers.
Anyway, I was thinking about all this stuff on YouTube and how it’s all mixing truth with lies.
Knowledge without understanding. God asked will there be faith on the earth when Jesus comes
Ray said NO.
Matt 24:5
For many shall come in my name saying I am Christ and shall deceive many.
11Tim.3:13
But evil men and seducers( in the church) shall wax worse and worse deceiving and being deceived.
The many are the Christian’s that Christ warned us about.,,, Ray LOF 8
They are the preaching you tubers as far as I can see, also telling people to pray for Israel.

 in the Towers Paper, Ray says the Christian nations will be the first to fall.
I was thinking maybe Trudeau knows something cause he’s doing everything he can to
make Canada a non Christian nation here hee, 😂 but alas , All is of God.

Amen Lareli,
11Tim 3:12
Yea and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

John 16:33
These things I have spoke unto you, that in me , you might have peace.
In the world you shall have tribulation; but be of good cheer;I HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD

Gods command to the believer,,,,1John 2:15

May God be with all of you and let’s fight the good fight together. Hey,
In Revelation God likens us to a forest of trees, SO RUN FOREST RUN.❤️
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Prune Soleiado on November 17, 2018, 02:17:35 PM
Hello Brothers and Sisters in Christ 👋

One verse which for me could define the good news:

"That in the dispensation of the fullness of times He might gather together in one all in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth, even in Him" (Eph. 1:10)

Christ be with you ❤️

Michelle
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Prune Soleiado on November 17, 2018, 02:58:20 PM
I just saw that the word « persecuted » in 2 Timothy 12  in ancient greek is « διώκω (dioko) - Strong 1377 », it is linked to the greek word « διάκονος (diakonos) - Strong 1249 », it means servant, minister, magistrate.
Christ’s holy ambassadors among the world’s persecutions.
When can I apply for the job, please? 😁
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Joel on November 17, 2018, 04:09:20 PM
The way I see it this is The Gospel;
John 3:16-17 For God so loved world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.


The Church world has taken away, added to and twisted those two scriptures for centuries now with free will and the whole misconception of hell and the like.

From the time John the baptizer saw Jesus and said "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." John 1:29 there had to be a space of time for people to be added to the Church. The same as at the time when God brought the children of Israel out of Egypt, and the 40 years in the wilderness before they actually entered the promised land.

How long before this happens?

Revelation 14:6-7 I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgement is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.


Joel
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 17, 2018, 05:53:16 PM
Out of curiosity I looked at every occurrence of the word "Gospel" in the NT. 104 of them.

Underlined in this list is what I found to be interesting. Should the underlined items apply to the definition of the Gospel?

If the Gospel is preached, shouldn't the preaching include most of these things?


Mat 9:35  And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

Mar_1:15  And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Mar_8:35  For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

Mar_14:9  Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world, this also that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.

Act_20:24  But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

Rom_2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.


Rom_16:25  Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

1Co_1:17  For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

1Co_9:18  What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

2Co_4:3  But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


Gal_1:8  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Eph_1:13  In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Eph_6:19  And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

Php_1:27  Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

Php_4:3  And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

Php_4:15  Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.

1Th_1:5  For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

1Th_2:2  But even after that we had suffered before, and were shamefully entreated, as ye know, at Philippi, we were bold in our God to speak unto you the gospel of God with much contention.

1Th_2:8  So being affectionately desirous of you, we were willing to have imparted unto you, not the gospel of God only, but also our own souls, because ye were dear unto us.

1Th_3:2  And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:

2Th_1:8  In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

2Ti_1:8  Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

2Ti_2:8  Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

1Pe_4:17  For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on November 17, 2018, 06:28:28 PM
The Gospel was the truth of God's purpose for mankind, A purpose of love and mercy for our salvation, that would require  belief, repentence, obeying, faith, and judgement.

This gospel is spirit, for whom the elect were chosen to understand. Others will know of,  and even believe in Jesus, and of his father, but not the spirit of this gospel. This gospel is not being preached in the churches today.
 
Eph 1:13  13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

He taught the gospel of the kingdom, Jesus mentioned the Kindom of Heaven well over 200 times.

Mark 1:15  and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe the gospel."

Matt. 13:11  …Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heavens

Ray...

What are the mysteries of the kingdom?

We are the kingdom of God... we are the kingdom of the heavens. Where does God reside? In heaven. God resides in heaven, but it is not called the kingdom of heaven in the Greek, you can check Rotherham and all those, it’s kingdom of the heavens, plural. We are the temple of God... God resides in His temple... God resides in heaven. We are the heaven in which God resides, where He dwells.

We are a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar special people to God and through this kingdom, with Christ as the King, all the families of the earth are going to be blessed. But we are blessed through judgment and they are going to be blessed in judgment.




 

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on November 17, 2018, 06:50:27 PM
Quote
I just saw that the word « persecuted » in 2 Timothy 12  in ancient greek is « διώκω (dioko) - Strong 1377 », it is linked to the greek word « διάκονος (diakonos) - Strong 1249 », it means servant, minister, magistrate.
Christ’s holy ambassadors among the world’s persecutions.
When can I apply for the job, please? 😁

Hello Michelle, so happy to see you here.👋
As for applying for the job, I think you were already hired. ☺
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ML on November 17, 2018, 07:03:40 PM
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I just saw that the word « persecuted » in 2 Timothy 12  in ancient greek is « διώκω (dioko) - Strong 1377 », it is linked to the greek word « διάκονος (diakonos) - Strong 1249 », it means servant, minister, magistrate.
Christ’s holy ambassadors among the world’s persecutions.
When can I apply for the job, please? 😁

Hello Michelle, so happy to see you here.👋
As for applying for the job, I think you were already hired. ☺
Ah yes, I have wonderful news! I heard from the boss your raise is coming soon, so keep working!  :D
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on November 17, 2018, 08:51:17 PM
Col. 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of His glory of this mystery among
the gentiles.

Ray,,,,” This is the gospel. The gospel was preached to the gentiles,,,,and the next verse,
            Which is Christ IN you, the hope of glory.

You nailed it Wanda.  The Kingdom of the Heavens, Gods dwelling place. Hidden in plain sight.

From getting saved.
Ray,,,” God is how many?? ONE
What is this? (Holds up bible)
It’s the word of God right?
If God is one, wouldn’t we also possibly think that His word is one. Yes it is”

It’s all about the gospel. Repent and believe in the gospel.

Php.1:5 for your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now.
We are fellowshipping 😁💕

Dennis, awesome scriptures, thank you, your on fire and I thought you couldn’t type. 😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: John from Kentucky on November 18, 2018, 03:36:51 AM
In Galatians 3:8 we are told what the gospel is.  That God preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham.  Namely, that in you Shall All The Nations Be Blessed.  Universal Salvation for everyone.  No one will be left out.

In Galatians 3:16, we are told the Promises were made to Abraham and his Seed (singular).  Not Isaac.  Jesus is the Seed.  The gospel is through Jesus everyone will be Blessed and Saved.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Prune Soleiado on November 18, 2018, 08:43:46 AM
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I just saw that the word « persecuted » in 2 Timothy 12  in ancient greek is « διώκω (dioko) - Strong 1377 », it is linked to the greek word « διάκονος (diakonos) - Strong 1249 », it means servant, minister, magistrate.
Christ’s holy ambassadors among the world’s persecutions.
When can I apply for the job, please? 😁

Hello Michelle, so happy to see you here.👋
As for applying for the job, I think you were already hired. ☺
Ah yes, I have wonderful news! I heard from the boss your raise is coming soon, so keep working!  :D

Hello Wanda 👋
Oh I’m here on the forum almost every day, but I don’t feel wiser enough to reply these times yet some times I like to share with you all, wise or not could be my reply 😅 It’s not timidity, rather a fear of adding stupid words to Our Father’s Perfect Word.

What an inspiring thread Dennis Vogel! Thanks

And ML, I thought about Ray saying that if we fear of doing The unpardonable sin then we surely haven’t done it. What if fearing we don’t have the « job », as we’d be sure we have no qualifications at all for it, would be one of multiple steps to successfully be granted the job?
Being persecuted IMO is one of multiple steps to become Christ’s ambassadors, for it teaches humility, it destroys our own build pride, it helps us understand the price God Our Father through Jesus pays to save humanity. Because the more I get persecuted the more Jesus prayer is engraving into my heart by Our Father’s grace: « Father forgive them for they don’t know what they do ». This is freedom. For we only fear God. For one righteous purpose: serve Him well, be good testimonies of His Love and Power.

Ps: Pardon my french 🙏
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 18, 2018, 08:53:07 AM
In Galatians 3:8 we are told what the gospel is.  That God preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham.  Namely, that in you Shall All The Nations Be Blessed.  Universal Salvation for everyone.  No one will be left out.

In Galatians 3:16, we are told the Promises were made to Abraham and his Seed (singular).  Not Isaac.  Jesus is the Seed.  The gospel is through Jesus everyone will be Blessed and Saved.

That's kind of what I am looking for John. And it could be just that simple.

Ray talked about the "Seed" at length in the YouTube videos. But is what you say all of the Gospel? Like, what is the Mystery of the Gospel? But is the Mystery even part of the Gospel? Maybe not. But God didn't call it a 'mystery' for no reason.

And what about the Kingdom? Is it part of the Gospel that will be preached? Maybe not. I don't know.

Gospel is mentioned 104 times in the NT, mostly in conjunction with the Gospel being preached. Whereas the word "salvation" is mentioned 45 times in the NT. So I'm thinking the Gospel must be important.

I just want to know what is being preached in the whole world "for a witness" in the end times.

Mat 24:42  Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Prune Soleiado on November 18, 2018, 09:59:56 AM
Matthew 11:12. And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.

The kingdom of God emerges with violence and suffering. It comes with a great power: Luke 16:16
« The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since then the gospel of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is forcing his way [in ancient greek:biazetai]into it »

And such power, God’s power, cannot be ignored, or lost in the crowd for no one to be seen. It forcefully provokes a very strong response, either positive, favorable or not.
The greater the power, the more vigorous is the response, either for or against.
It is revealed through persecution, and fights we have within ourselves, spiritual battles. It comes also in a physical way through disasters happening throughout the physical world.
Matthew 21:12:"And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."
The Kingdom of God is an overthrown of everything humans and earth were built from.
God wants us to be in His image and surely His thoughts are not ours, we don’t see things like God, we don’t act like Him. Ray taught us about the weirdness of things God was doing in the world. For we cannot apprehend them. We’re still in our mothers womb for now. We don’t see anything at all coming.
But the good news is: Isaiah 26:9
« My soul yearns for you in the night; in the morning my spirit longs for you. When your judgments come upon the earth, the people of the world learn righteousness »
And, icing on the cake, we, children of God, are now being saved by Jesus, we are not standing into the darkness, we are guided and protected by Jesus: Isaiah 30:21
« Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying, “This is the way; walk in it »
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on November 18, 2018, 06:07:52 PM
Matthew 24:14  (KJV)

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Jesus, makes it clear this was a gospel of the kingdom that would be preached for a witness unto all nations.

“He went journeying from city to city and from village to village, preaching . . . the good news of the kingdom of God.”​—LUKE 8:1.

Ray said,  "Most people have not heard the gospel".

Is it because it's not being preached in most of the world, or at least the same gospel Jesus and his deciples went everywhere preaching? Or has it been hidden from them with a deceptive gospel?  And yet, Jesus did not say it would be a different gospel, he said THIS GOSPEL, the one he was teaching.

Are we to believe most of the world has heard THIS GOSPEL today?

I didn't post the scripture myself because I was not clear on my own understanding, but felt the gospel might be for the elect. I'm still working it out.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on November 18, 2018, 08:01:46 PM
Actually I did post it in my 3rd post in this thread, with the one from Revelations. I see Joel did as well.
Revelations 14 KJV

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Matthew 24:14 (KJV)

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

My thinking then and now is the same. A question really, is This Gospel, the one Jesus preached,  coming to the world today, directly from a divine source and not from the preaching of this deceptive gospel being preached by man? I consider Ray's teachings to be of a Devine source.

I don't expect anyone to answer, I'm just working it out.


Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: friendofJC on November 18, 2018, 09:23:40 PM
2 Cor. 4:4  gospel of the GLORY of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 

We shall see Jesus as he is with our own eyes, brothers and sisters!  :)

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: friendofJC on November 18, 2018, 09:37:28 PM
The gospel is being preached IN the world now but after Christ returns notice 

Rev. 14:6 gospel to preach TO those who dwell on the earth

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: zvezda on November 18, 2018, 11:00:28 PM
This is what Jesus said to the disciples what exactly will be preached in his name to all nations -
Luke 24:47   And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

And this is what Jesus said when he began to preach -
Matthew 4:17   From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Is Mark 13:10 a second witness for Mat 24:14? The word "preached" is translated as "published" in KJV. it simply says "gospel," not gospel of the kingdom or anything, it's just gospel. But it doesn't say "and then the end will come" -
Mark 13:10   And the gospel must first be published among all nations.


Strange how no one has mentioned this verse yet:

Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Hab 2:14  For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Has - "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world" - happened yet? Opinions?

I occurred to me that it does not say this gospel will be preached and understood.

It just says "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world."

And it did not say "unto all the world" which is used 2448 times in the KJ - NT and more personal.

For the first 4 or 5 years BT was available in China and we even received emails from Mainland China. Then they cut us and all Christian sites off.

I just checked, bible-truths.com is still accessible in mainland China. But it doesn't matter if the site is banned or not. Facebook, google, youtube, twitter and many popular sites are banned in mainland China too, but people in mainland China visit facebook, youtube and other blocked sites all the time through VPN. Actually all public websites are considered accessable in every nation as long as internet is available in that nation. There's always a way access blocked sites. Some youtube videos are blocked in the US too due to copyright, but everyone in the US still can see the blocked videos as long as they know how.

Is it possible for you to post the list of countries that have visited or tried to visit (meaning someone from that country sent a http request) bible-truths.com?

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Prune Soleiado on November 19, 2018, 03:59:39 AM
Jesus came to me so that I could come to Him thanks to the giant spider web.
I never grew up in a religious crib, never heard about the gospel or the kingdom of God or anything at all related to universal reconciliation until 3 years ago.
God made the circumstances that lead me towards Him. No free will.
God makes the recipient He wants and if there are recipients that won’t hear about the gospel, that’s the will of Our Father, wether people have internet or vpn or not.

« Thy will be done ».

All that happens in the world, ignorance, evil, is for our admonition, for us, now, children of God through Jesus Christ, and later for the others, according to the order God has predetermined.
We preach the gospel anyway, for we are the kingdom of God.
« Clearly you are an epistle of Christ . . . written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God. —2 Corinthians 3:3 »
We are Christ’s testimony. People see us, and react inevitably to it, whatever answer they give, they are already touched by the hand of God.
They’ll remember the way we live right now, Christ’s eonian life. It necessarily leaves marks.
We have to keep on, if possible, living a life that please God, not just for ourselves but for the others in the world, it’s paramount.
Blessing our enemies, sharing a unique kind of love no one have ever known nor seen. They don’t have eyes to see and ears to hear, God blinded them, but He gave some of them, people in our surroundings, a chance to know Him through Jesus which lives in us. According to the amount of faith and the role Our Father granted us.
If we have to be in prison, then let us be in prison. If we have to show people too much confidence and hope in the future in front of various natural disasters occurring in the world and killing so many souls, then let us have this hope in our hearts and let it shine brighter than anyone has seen or known it.
Even if people seem shocked or disgusted by our « abnormal » reactions.

The Kingdom of God is within us, but can’t be hide, it shines so brightly.
Our prayers are heard from God, because we pray according to the spirit of Jesus.
We find because we ask for it.
Thanks to God’s grace and His spirit.
Jesus leads us, protects us, saves us. We must love actively.
God’s love. Agapeo.

The entire creation gasps for the return of Jesus. We all suffer, even ignorant ones.
And if we have this wonderful power Our Father gives us through Jesus to overcome, then we have enough strength to draw into this infinite source of love God granted us by grace and be able to soothe and comfort the others, the widows and the orphans..
We are useless servants, for it is God who changes hearts, not us. But we are to use our talents, whatever amount of talents each and one of us was given.
Wether we live in Papua or New York, our role stands the same, and God is always in total control of everything.

What is fascinating is that all of those upheavals happen in our hearts and in the same time outside in the world. Same process. One goal. One gospel. We will all be one in Christ. God will be all in all at the time He appointed. God be praised in the name of Jesus Christ. ❤️
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 19, 2018, 06:22:52 AM
This is what Jesus said to the disciples what exactly will be preached in his name to all nations -
Luke 24:47   And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

And this is what Jesus said when he began to preach -
Matthew 4:17   From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Is Mark 13:10 a second witness for Mat 24:14? The word "preached" is translated as "published" in KJV. it simply says "gospel," not gospel of the kingdom or anything, it's just gospel. But it doesn't say "and then the end will come" -
Mark 13:10   And the gospel must first be published among all nations.


Strange how no one has mentioned this verse yet:

Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Hab 2:14  For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Has - "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world" - happened yet? Opinions?

I occurred to me that it does not say this gospel will be preached and understood.

It just says "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world."

And it did not say "unto all the world" which is used 2448 times in the KJ - NT and more personal.

For the first 4 or 5 years BT was available in China and we even received emails from Mainland China. Then they cut us and all Christian sites off.

I just checked, bible-truths.com is still accessible in mainland China. But it doesn't matter if the site is banned or not. Facebook, google, youtube, twitter and many popular sites are banned in mainland China too, but people in mainland China visit facebook, youtube and other blocked sites all the time through VPN. Actually all public websites are considered accessable in every nation as long as internet is available in that nation. There's always a way access blocked sites. Some youtube videos are blocked in the US too due to copyright, but everyone in the US still can see the blocked videos as long as they know how.

Is it possible for you to post the list of countries that have visited or tried to visit (meaning someone from that country sent a http request) bible-truths.com?

I subscribe to three YouTube channels that originate in Mainland China and that's how they publish, using VPN. And most businesses in China that sell outside of China are allowed to use VPN.

"Chinese citizens still use VPNs, but getting their hands on them can be difficult, and they risk finding themselves on the wrong side of the law for using one. ... After all, using a VPN isn't actually illegal in China. However, that doesn't mean you won't run into any trouble if you have one." Jun 4, 2018 (Google).

But now it occurs to me that "shall be preached in all the world." does not say "in every country." If God said "preached in every nation" or "published in all the world" things would be a lot easier. But 'preached' is more personal and implies person to person or a single person to many people.

And this is far-fetched at best, but the entire world is covered by satellite TV signals. I know bootleg satellite systems are a good business in Iran and other counties. So every second there are many Christian channels beaming the Gospel to the entire world without realizing they are quoting bible verses that include the real Gospel.

And short-wave radio still has a good number of Christian stations. Short-wave easily covers the world.

Grasping at straws at this point.

It's 3 AM so I'm not at my best but perhaps the Gospel is nothing more than "God loves all of us and all will be saved and welcome in His kingdom?"

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on November 19, 2018, 11:35:18 AM
Thanks Dennis,

Your comment makes sense.

Reminded me of this;

22 Then Paul stood up before the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I see that in every way you are very religious. 23 For as I walked around and examined your objects of worship, I even found an altar with the inscription: To an unknown God. Therefore what you worship as something unknown, I now proclaim to you. 24 The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples made by human hands.…

Please read the rest of Paul's comment.
Thanks Bob
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 19, 2018, 11:59:04 AM
Mar_4:11  And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

So maybe the 'mystery' is the Kingdom (the church says we go to heaven) and God saving everyone is part of the mystery of the Gospel?

Eph_6:19  And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

This may or may not be like "Grace"? The entire world knows what grace is. If you ask them they will say the word 'grace' is self-explanatory. There is no need to look deeper into it. But listen to Ray's talk on 'grace' and you find out you never even had a clue when it comes to understanding God's 'grace.'
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: zvezda on November 19, 2018, 12:27:53 PM
I subscribe to three YouTube channels that originate in Mainland China and that's how they publish, using VPN. And most businesses in China that sell outside of China are allowed to use VPN.

"Chinese citizens still use VPNs, but getting their hands on them can be difficult, and they risk finding themselves on the wrong side of the law for using one. ... After all, using a VPN isn't actually illegal in China. However, that doesn't mean you won't run into any trouble if you have one." Jun 4, 2018 (Google).

Trust me on this -- no one in China runs into trouble just by using VPN to browser any websites. The ones who run into trouble are the ones who use VPN to create trouble to the gov't. You won't be put in jail as long as you leave the gov't alone. But I will stop here since it will get political.



But now it occurs to me that "shall be preached in all the world." does not say "in every country." If God said "preached in every nation" or "published in all the world" things would be a lot easier. But 'preached' is more personal and implies person to person or a single person to many people.
If you read other translations, it actually says "preached to all the nations."  The word "ethnos" (1484) is used in Matthew 24:14, Mark 13:10 and Luke 24:47. But some people argue that "ethnos" could mean a race, not nation. I consider Ray was and still is preaching to the whole world, he's gone but his materials are not.

1484. ethnos
Strong's Concordance
ethnos: a race, a nation, pl. the nations (as distinct from Isr.)
Original Word: ἔθνος, ους, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ethnos
Phonetic Spelling: (eth'-nos)
Definition: a race, a nation, the nations (as distinct from Israel)
Usage: a race, people, nation; the nations, heathen world, Gentiles.



And this is far-fetched at best, but the entire world is covered by satellite TV signals. I know bootleg satellite systems are a good business in Iran and other counties. So every second there are many Christian channels beaming the Gospel to the entire world without realizing they are quoting bible verses that include the real Gospel.

And short-wave radio still has a good number of Christian stations. Short-wave easily covers the world.
One thing that's different between the internet and TV/radio is that once you publish something on the internet, it's available as a witness 24/7/365. While each TV/radio program only lasts for hours, once it ends you can't watch/listen to them any more unless you record the program. So I consider the only way for the gospel to be preached in the all nations as a witness 24/7/365 is through the internet.



It's 3 AM so I'm not at my best but perhaps the Gospel is nothing more than "God loves all of us and all will be saved and welcome in His kingdom?"
That's also what I am thinking. The gospel is just the usual stuff that we have already heard -- repentance, forgiveness, universal salvation etc. Even thought it could be simple as that, these are still a mystery to the church people, that's why "mystery of the gospel."

In Mark chapter 3, Jesus had to first open the disciples minds before telling them what will be preached to all nations. If it's not something mysterious, why would Jesus need to open their minds first? -
Luke 24:45   Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
Luke 24:46   He told them, "This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
Luke 24:47   and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

By looking at every occurrence of the word "mystery" in the NT, it may show what the mystery is about.

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on November 19, 2018, 12:58:10 PM
Amen , Michelle,
Good morning family.

1John 5:19
We know that we are from God, and the whole world lives in the power of the evil one.
20,,and we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so
that we may know, Him who is true and we are in Him who is True, in His Son Jesus Christ.
He is the True God and eternal(aonian) life.
1 Peter 5:8
Though you have not seen Him, you love Him. Though you do not now see Him you believe in
Him and rejoice with joy that is in expressible and filled with Glory, obtaining the outcome
of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
Peter 1:10-12
Concerning this salvation,the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours,
searched and inquired carefully, inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was
indicating when He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories 12 , it was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you,in the things that have now
been announced to you through those who preached the good news (gospel) to you, by the
Holy Spirit sent from heaven, things into which angels long to look.

I was reading Strong Milk Gospel of the Kingdom transcript and Ray said. In Peter it says, speaking
Of the chosen.
“YOU are the Gospel of the Kingdom, the gospel, good news, the Kingdom that will Bless
All the nations.

From 1Peter1-25 is awesome scripture. ( Peter is Wanda’s favourite apostle by the way🤫)

All flesh is like grass
And all it’s glory like the flower of the grass
The grass withers and the flower falls,but the word of the Lord remains forever.

And this word ,, Is the good news that was preached to YOU. ❤️

In Christ, Pamela



Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on November 19, 2018, 01:05:16 PM
I believe the mystery of the Kindgom is the Kingdom itself, The Kingdom of the Heavens.
Who are the Heavens???😁
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on November 19, 2018, 04:04:44 PM
Quote
believe the mystery of the Kindgom is the Kingdom itself, The Kingdom of the Heavens.
Who are the Heavens???😁

Yes Pamela I see that too.😁

Ray didn't teach about "The gospel" he taught about the gospel of the kingdom. I believe he did so because that is the gospel. Jesus preached the good news of the Kingdom of God for his entire short ministry because that is why he was sent.

 (Luke 4:43 )"But he said, "I must preach the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent."

Matthew 4:23 (KJV)

23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Its a mystery because  only the elect will understand,  as Ray points out in his teaching on the Gospel of the Kindom. When he said most have not heard the Gospel today, I now understand what he meant.

Eph 6:19  And pray for me, that utterance may be given to me, that I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the gospel,

There are subsets of the gospel of the kingdom, such as salvation but to understand the complete message, we  have to know the Gospel of the Kingdom. Christians know enough of this Gospel to qualify as citizens of the Kingdom, but most do not know enough to really understand the big picture.

The Apostle Paul cleared up my confusion on the gospel being preached today.

Romans 10

:9 If you declare with your mouth, Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

11 As Scripture says, Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.

12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile's same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,

 13 for, Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?

15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!

The ones being called don't need to understand the mystery of the gospel, they need only believe Jesus is Lord and that his father raised him from the dead,  and one day they will be raised too. 








Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on November 19, 2018, 05:44:10 PM
Col.1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery
among the gentiles.
John 8:31
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on Him. If you continue in my word,
then are you my deciplies indeed.
Rev.3:4
Thou has a few names even in Sardis, which have not defiled their garments,
and shall walk with me in white, for they are worthy.


The Elect are the True Jews
Obad.21, And SAVIOURS shall come up on Mt. Zion to judge the Mt.of Esau( them)
and the Kingdom shall be the Lords

Isaiah 40:31
Yet those who wait for the Lord will gain new strength.
They will mount up with wings like eagles.
They will run and not get tired, they will walk and not become weary.

And so many more.  But yes Wanda your right , it’s all about the Kingdom
Heavenly Jerusalem, it’s Spiritual, a High Calling to Gods New Government.
Rev.14:3
And they were singing a new song before the throne,and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the 144;000 who had been redeemed from the earth. Etc.

Eph.4:3,,,, Keep the unity 😊
Spiritual Israel of God

In Christ,,, Pamela
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 19, 2018, 06:21:54 PM
I subscribe to three YouTube channels that originate in Mainland China and that's how they publish, using VPN. And most businesses in China that sell outside of China are allowed to use VPN.

"Chinese citizens still use VPNs, but getting their hands on them can be difficult, and they risk finding themselves on the wrong side of the law for using one. ... After all, using a VPN isn't actually illegal in China. However, that doesn't mean you won't run into any trouble if you have one." Jun 4, 2018 (Google).

Trust me on this -- no one in China runs into trouble just by using VPN to browser any websites. The ones who run into trouble are the ones who use VPN to create trouble to the gov't. You won't be put in jail as long as you leave the gov't alone. But I will stop here since it will get political.



But now it occurs to me that "shall be preached in all the world." does not say "in every country." If God said "preached in every nation" or "published in all the world" things would be a lot easier. But 'preached' is more personal and implies person to person or a single person to many people.
If you read other translations, it actually says "preached to all the nations."  The word "ethnos" (1484) is used in Matthew 24:14, Mark 13:10 and Luke 24:47. But some people argue that "ethnos" could mean a race, not nation. I consider Ray was and still is preaching to the whole world, he's gone but his materials are not.

1484. ethnos
Strong's Concordance
ethnos: a race, a nation, pl. the nations (as distinct from Isr.)
Original Word: ἔθνος, ους, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ethnos
Phonetic Spelling: (eth'-nos)
Definition: a race, a nation, the nations (as distinct from Israel)
Usage: a race, people, nation; the nations, heathen world, Gentiles.



And this is far-fetched at best, but the entire world is covered by satellite TV signals. I know bootleg satellite systems are a good business in Iran and other counties. So every second there are many Christian channels beaming the Gospel to the entire world without realizing they are quoting bible verses that include the real Gospel.

And short-wave radio still has a good number of Christian stations. Short-wave easily covers the world.
One thing that's different between the internet and TV/radio is that once you publish something on the internet, it's available as a witness 24/7/365. While each TV/radio program only lasts for hours, once it ends you can't watch/listen to them any more unless you record the program. So I consider the only way for the gospel to be preached in the all nations as a witness 24/7/365 is through the internet.



It's 3 AM so I'm not at my best but perhaps the Gospel is nothing more than "God loves all of us and all will be saved and welcome in His kingdom?"
That's also what I am thinking. The gospel is just the usual stuff that we have already heard -- repentance, forgiveness, universal salvation etc. Even thought it could be simple as that, these are still a mystery to the church people, that's why "mystery of the gospel."

In Mark chapter 3, Jesus had to first open the disciples minds before telling them what will be preached to all nations. If it's not something mysterious, why would Jesus need to open their minds first? -
Luke 24:45   Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
Luke 24:46   He told them, "This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
Luke 24:47   and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

By looking at every occurrence of the word "mystery" in the NT, it may show what the mystery is about.

All interesting - Mystery is mentioned 22 times in the NT. All of them also interesting.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on November 19, 2018, 06:54:40 PM
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Jesus came to me so that I could come to Him thanks to the giant spider web.
I never grew up in a religious crib, never heard about the gospel or the kingdom of God or anything at all related to universal reconciliation until 3 years ago.
God made the circumstances that lead me towards Him. No free will.
God makes the recipient He wants and if there are recipients that won’t hear about the gospel, that’s the will of Our Father, wether people have internet or vpn or not.

« Thy will be done ».

From my own experience, I know nothing is impossible for God. Thank you Michelle, your words are an inspiration. ~♡~
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on November 19, 2018, 08:06:41 PM
Dennis, I want to thank you for this thread it's been an insperation and a challenge, starting fom the end and back to the beginning.

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on November 19, 2018, 08:26:22 PM
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2 Cor. 4:4  gospel of the GLORY of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 

We shall see Jesus as he is with our own eyes, brothers and sisters!  :)

It's beyond my small mind to imagine, but it's beyond exciting to have this to look forward to.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 19, 2018, 08:33:44 PM
Dennis, I want to thank you for this thread it's been an insperation and a challenge, starting fom the end and back to the beginning.

Thank you - I haven't had much time lately so I apologize for not addressing everyone's comments.

I had already looked up 'Mystery' on e-Sword and the word is used with many types of mysteries. So I'm just going to paste them all here. They are interesting.


Mar_4:11  And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Rom_11:25  For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom_16:25  Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

1Co_2:7  But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

1Co_15:51  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Eph_1:9  Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Eph_3:3  How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

Eph_3:4  Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Eph_3:9  And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Eph_5:32  This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Eph_6:19  And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

Col_1:26  Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

Col_1:27  To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Col_2:2  That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;

Col_4:3  Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds:

2Th_2:7  For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

1Ti_3:9  Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

1Ti_3:16  And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Rev_1:20  The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Rev_10:7  But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Rev_17:5  And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Rev_17:7  And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on November 19, 2018, 09:21:46 PM
Yes Dennis, I want to thank you also . Big Hug 🤗  I just realized that the word mystery is not in the
OT because the NT is the New Covenent God made with Abraham . SPIRITUAL
First the physical,,,,,,,, then the spiritual.

Praying Spiritually is another topic I’d like to study. Will meditate on it.

See guys, when we all put our heads together , it becomes one big giant head. Oh my goodness
are we the giant Nephlum, 😂😂😂
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: John from Kentucky on November 21, 2018, 12:59:58 PM
Before we go too far about preaching the Gospel as a witness to all the world, I just read where a Christian missionary was killed by a bunch of stone age savages with bows and arrows on an island off the coast of India.  They have not yet recovered the body for a Christian burial.

So I am thinking about just letting Jesus preach the Gospel to the savages.

However, Dennis if you want to preach them the Gospel, I volunteer to paddle the canoe to take you to them.  But I stay in the boat.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on November 21, 2018, 04:25:19 PM
Before we go too far about preaching the Gospel as a witness to all the world, I just read where a Christian missionary was killed by a bunch of stone age savages with bows and arrows on an island off the coast of India.  They have not yet recovered the body for a Christian burial.

So I am thinking about just letting Jesus preach the Gospel to the savages.

However, Dennis if you want to preach them the Gospel, I volunteer to paddle the canoe to take you to them.  But I stay in the boat.

Not me John. I'm right behind you.

I saw something about that this morning too. Killed with arrows.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on December 08, 2018, 12:48:44 PM
Isa 1:7  Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on December 08, 2018, 01:20:06 PM
Isa 1:7  Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.

I can feel the heat.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on December 08, 2018, 01:27:06 PM
When I think nothing else can disgust and shock me, and then I see something like this.

https://youtu.be/4_5Kgy4qWms

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Johnny70 on December 08, 2018, 11:49:29 PM
Wanda,
You deserve a medal, Wanda for being so in tune as to what is going on out there. Thank you for this service, indeed!!! I could truly say a million things that describe such an absolute disgrace about this MOST condemning display of an absence of respect!!! Here is a major Christian  figure, and to us the most significant event ever for mankind's salvation and benefit, trivialized and mocked to unbelief.

As many of the comments below have expressed- if this was Mohammed in such a display - you would have to get a bug out bag and head for the hills. I would only sadly speculate that hardly a word will be said in MSM about this atrocity. In Noah's day there was similar wickedness that Jesus's Father destroyed all but eight souls - after this He might go for ZERO! Jesus said that it would be a time of terminating events so bad that they will never be repeated.
John     
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dave in Tenn on December 10, 2018, 06:19:58 PM
...Jesus said that it would be a time of terminating events so bad that they will never be repeated.
 

Where did Jesus say that?  How confident are you with that paraphrase?
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Johnny70 on December 10, 2018, 08:41:37 PM
This is where I believe I have seen these scriptures, Dave. There seems to be a deep meaning revealed? What do you think?

Matthew 24:21-22 Modern English Version (MEV)
21 For then will be great tribulation, such as has not happened since the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.
22 Unless those days were shortened, no one would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
Mark 13:19-20 Modern English Version (MEV)
19 For in those days there will be distress as has not been from the beginning of the creation which God created to this time, nor ever shall be.
20 “Except the Lord shortened the days, no flesh would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on December 11, 2018, 09:11:59 AM
It has suddenly occurred to me how myself and others spend so much time dwelling on the gruesome negative aspects of end time prophecies. And it is quite understandable. How can we not. But there is another aspect to end time prophecy. And I must admit that I'd rather just jump to this part than have to walk the path that leads to it. Nevertheless...

Isa 2:2  And it shall be, in the last days the mountain of Jehovah's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow into it. 
Isa 2:3  And many people shall go and say, Come, and let us go to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob. And He will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths. For out of Zion shall go out the Law, and the Word of Jehovah from Jerusalem. 
Isa 2:4  And He shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning-hooks. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. 
Isa 2:5  O house of Jacob, come and let us walk in the light of Jehovah. 


Mike
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Johnny70 on December 11, 2018, 12:51:10 PM
Yes Mike,
The good news is most over whelming - how can you beat the resurrections - two - one before the thousand years and one after the thousand years. We really should concentrate as Paul says on these events -  Philippians 4:4-9 Modern English Version (MEV)
4 Rejoice in the Lord always. Again I will say, rejoice! 5 Let everyone come to know your gentleness. The Lord is at hand. 6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything, by prayer and supplication with gratitude, make your requests known to God. 7 And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will protect your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
8 Finally, brothers, whatever things are true, whatever things are honest, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue, and if there is any praise, think on these things. 9 Do those things which you have both learned and received, and heard and seen in me, and the God of peace will be with you.

John
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on December 11, 2018, 03:07:26 PM
Mike, when I think of end time prophesy, it's not with the focus of gloom and doom, but a view of hope and deliverance from the barrage of evil that surrounds me, more so now than any other time in my life. Some would say it's always been this bad, and even worse at other times in history, but when God opens your eyes, it's not only to spiritual truth and it becomes impossible to doubt that the decay of morality is at an all time high, as well as declining rapidly. I can see an escalation of decline as a daily norm at this point and conditions in the world are like a run away train   with no hope of rescue, but seeing Gods plan at work is the hope of assured rescue.

Jesus shared these signs of things to come for our comfort, hope and faith,  so that we would rejoice and not have dread and fear to contend with, as the evils become increasingly overwhelming at times. Jesus left us with his peace and for me,  being aware is most comforting and even peaceful at such a turbulent time.

Luke 21:28 )  "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ML on December 11, 2018, 04:10:38 PM
Some would say it's always been this bad, and even worse at other times in history, but when God opens your eyes, it's not only to spiritual truth and it becomes impossible to doubt that the decay of morality is at an all time high, as well as declining rapidly. I can see an escalation of decline as a daily norm at this point and conditions in the world are like a run away train   with no hope of rescue, but seeing Gods plan at work is the hope of assured rescue.
I can attest to this.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the birth pains Jesus talks about.

Mar 13:8  because nation will rise up in arms against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes and famines in various places. These things are only the beginning of the birth pains.

1Th 5:3  When people say, "There is peace and security," destruction will strike them as suddenly as labor pains come to a pregnant woman, and they will not be able to escape.

Joh 16:21  When a woman is in labor she has pain, because her time has come. Yet when she has given birth to her child, she doesn't remember the agony anymore because of the joy of having brought a human being into the world.  

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on December 11, 2018, 04:19:06 PM
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the birth pains Jesus talks about

It was mentioned in the first couple of pages of the thread.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on December 11, 2018, 04:33:13 PM
 
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I could truly say a million things that describe such an absolute disgrace about this MOST condemning display of an absence of respect!!! Here is a major Christian  figure, and to us the most significant event ever for mankind's salvation and benefit, trivialized and mocked to unbelief.

I agree John, but when you think on it a bit, they mocked and ridiculed Jesus unto his death. Why should we expect things would be any different in this time filled with so much evil. Still it angers me.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ML on December 11, 2018, 05:03:46 PM
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the birth pains Jesus talks about

It was mentioned in the first couple of pages of the thread.
I see you mentioned some of the verses I listed, but have not seen anyone try to tie the two concepts together, birth of a child and the sudden destruction yet. Or maybe I missed it.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Johnny70 on December 11, 2018, 05:15:10 PM
Wanda,
When you look seriously at this obviously hopeless planet, we see humans with the nature and characteristics that they were given (Jeremiah 17:9 King James Version - "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?) and being driven relentlessly by spiritual powers in high places catalyzed to even greater wickedness. Ephesians 6:12 King James Version - "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places". Then the outcome is described perfectly in your comment - "Why should we expect things would be any different in this time filled with so much evil. Still it angers me."
John
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Johnny70 on December 11, 2018, 05:24:48 PM
Wanda,
One other important description of our current world that Paul was quite adamite about, 2 Timothy 3:1-9 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
3 And this know thou, that in the last days there shall come perilous times,
2 for men shall be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, evil-speakers, to parents disobedient, unthankful, unkind,
3 without natural affection, implacable, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, not lovers of those who are good,
4 traitors, heady, lofty, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God,
5 having a form of piety, and its power having denied; and from these be turning away,
6 for of these there are those coming into the houses and leading captive the silly women, laden with sins, led away with desires manifold,
7 always learning, and never to a knowledge of truth able to come,
8 and, even as Jannes and Jambres stood against Moses, so also these do stand against the truth, men corrupted in mind, disapproved concerning the faith;
9 but they shall not advance any further, for their folly shall be manifest to all, as theirs also did become.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on December 11, 2018, 05:49:40 PM
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I see you mentioned some of the verses I listed, but have not seen anyone try to tie the two concepts together, birth of a child and the sudden destruction yet. Or maybe I missed it.

I don't tie them together.  In 1Th 5:3 I see to many variables to be settled in any clear understanding at this time. I here lots of talk about peace, with many in the US thinking Trump is going to accomplish this durring his time in office, but I'm also seeing things that could prevent such an outcome.

ML  if you include these scriptures I think you'll see this reference to the pain of childbirth, and the pain we experience in this world to be similar,  because after this is behind us we will only focus on the joy that replaces any and all pain we endured.

John 16

21  A woman giving birth to a child has pain because her time has come; but when her baby is born she forgets the anguish because of her joy that a child is born into the world.

22 So with you: Now is your time of grief, but I will see you again and you will rejoice, and no one will take away your joy.

23 In that day you will no longer ask me anything. Very truly I tell you, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.

24 Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, and your joy will be complete.

33 “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ML on December 11, 2018, 06:07:18 PM
I was thinking of this like a pregnancy. Sure, destruction and pain have always existed, but now it is increasing exponentially. The closer you get to the birthing of a child, the more and increasing pain there is.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on December 11, 2018, 06:17:00 PM
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was thinking of this like a pregnancy. Sure, destruction and pain have always existed, but now it is increasing exponentially. The closer you get to the birthing of a child, the more and increasing pain there is.

Yes, but child birth does not culminate in total destruction, does it? I don't believe the end of this age does either.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on December 12, 2018, 12:56:08 AM
Hi Wanda,

Seems to me that the end of this age culminates in the destruction of the rule of man to be replaced with the rule of Lord Jesus for God. A transfer of power through removal of evil men and evil spirit and the beginning of a time of peace and fruitfulness.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Tim Krantz on December 12, 2018, 02:15:25 PM
    Ineresting article in Nat"l Geographic on the largest earthquake ever recorded that noone felt Nov 11 . The link https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2018/11/strange-earthquake-waves-rippled-around-world-earth-geology/       Also Theh "Old Faithful" geyser spuwed a reord height spew yesterday.     PS I tried to post this in a new topic, but couldn't find a new topic  button anywhere. My eysight is not the best, so I use enhanced   colors.                                                                                                                                                 
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on December 12, 2018, 04:52:04 PM
Hi Wanda,

Seems to me that the end of this age culminates in the destruction of the rule of man to be replaced with the rule of Lord Jesus for God. A transfer of power through removal of evil men and evil spirit and the beginning of a time of peace and fruitfulness.

Hello Bob!

This is my understanding as well.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on December 12, 2018, 11:08:14 PM
Hi Wanda,

We have similar understanding.
O. K. but after the great war who will remain alive and mortal to be governed?
Will there be a remnant?
I'm sure that the world's banks will be kaput and their leaders removed,
but if all the means of business and production of food is gone how will people survive?

Inquiring minds would like to know...
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Porter on December 13, 2018, 04:36:22 PM

Please forgive the incoming wall of text.

This is where I believe I have seen these scriptures, Dave. There seems to be a deep meaning revealed? What do you think?

Matthew 24:21-22 Modern English Version (MEV)
21 For then will be great tribulation, such as has not happened since the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.
22 Unless those days were shortened, no one would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
Mark 13:19-20 Modern English Version (MEV)
19 For in those days there will be distress as has not been from the beginning of the creation which God created to this time, nor ever shall be.
20 “Except the Lord shortened the days, no flesh would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days.

Remembering Christ's words are spirit, I can't help but to think that this is a parable of the "few chosen".

Joh_16:33  These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

1Th 3:3  That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto.
1Th 3:4  For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know. 

If I was an Elect, how merciful of Him would it be if He shortened the days of MY "great tribulation"? I believe the tribulation of the Saints is related to judgment, because it teaches Godly character. Judgment through tribulation is training.

Rom 5:3  And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Rom 5:4  And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Some would say it's always been this bad, and even worse at other times in history, but when God opens your eyes, it's not only to spiritual truth and it becomes impossible to doubt that the decay of morality is at an all time high, as well as declining rapidly. I can see an escalation of decline as a daily norm at this point and conditions in the world are like a run away train   with no hope of rescue, but seeing Gods plan at work is the hope of assured rescue.
I can attest to this.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the birth pains Jesus talks about.

Mar 13:8  because nation will rise up in arms against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes and famines in various places. These things are only the beginning of the birth pains.

1Th 5:3  When people say, "There is peace and security," destruction will strike them as suddenly as labor pains come to a pregnant woman, and they will not be able to escape.

Joh 16:21  When a woman is in labor she has pain, because her time has come. Yet when she has given birth to her child, she doesn't remember the agony anymore because of the joy of having brought a human being into the world. 



There is nothing new under the sun. Disasters and bad behavior have always been with us.

I like this guy's take on natural disasters despite the fact he doesn't understand that ultimately all is of God. I mean, we are where we are because of God right?

Anyhow, here's a link and a couple points that he made which got me thinking. Tell me what you think.

https://www.iflscience.com/environment/are-natural-disasters-rise/ (https://www.iflscience.com/environment/are-natural-disasters-rise/)

Potentially hazardous events do not need to end in a disaster. Disasters occur because of the intersection of hazard with exposed people and assets that are vulnerable to the hazard. They are characterised by a lack of resilience and poor capacity to cope and respond in the affected area. Without vulnerability there can be no disaster.

For me, disasters are a social construct and are about people. I make no apologies for taking such an anthropocentric view.

The big question is does this trend represent a statistical change in the physical occurrence of natural disasters or an increasingly vulnerable global population (or both)?

--------------------

Are people really getting worse? Or is there just more people? If torturing someone is one of the worst things you can do, well then that has been around for thousands of years. Sad I know, but true.

I'm pretty sure your Scriptural quotes are parables also. A woman giving birth is often used in Scripture to represent a Church birthing like children.

Rom 8:19  For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Rom 8:20  For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21  Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22  For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

It's always about the "many called" or the "few chosen" and depending on which you are or what you believe, your "mother" will either be the bondmaid or freewoman.

Gal 4:22  For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23  But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24  Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25  For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26  But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27  For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children (many called) than she which hath an husband (few chosen).

Earthquakes, famines, disasters, nations and kingdoms fighting wars, these things have always been with us in a literal sense, so I'm not so sure that these words of Christ and His Apostles are teaching us about literal things. These "events" have got to be happening in the realm or heaven of my heart and mind.

It feels like a literal war sometimes where everything I was is crumbling and falling apart and I'm just screaming NO, STOP IT LEAVE ME ALONE! I'm such a terrible sinner. Who will save me?

Rom 7:23  But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24  O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Rev 12:7  And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8  And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Sorry for going on like this, but spiritually speaking, it's been rough. I don't know ( I really don't) if God is saving me, but if He is then Ray wasn't lying when he said it would be the hardest thing I will ever do. This on top of some of the most disgusting physical ailments I must endure, makes me wish I were dead.

One thing I think about a lot is that if He is not saving me at this time and I find myself in the resurrection to judgment, what could I possibly say? Talk about being between a rock and a hard place. I would have no excuse.

Sorry for the wall of text and going off topic a bit there, but it seemed like what I said was related to "end times prophecies" and what I perceive to be a major upheaval in my life, physically and possibly spiritually. Maybe I'm looking for some confirmation or even a little encouragement, I don't know. My house built on sand in the wilderness is falling greatly and I can't say I like it. Feels like the end times for sure lol.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on December 13, 2018, 06:08:53 PM
Maybe this will help Porter, I just finished reading it .
From one of Rays emails posted by Arc.   # 108 Strange Visit

God frames evil, you know what it is when you put a frame around something. You know,
Frame it. He frames evil so it won’t go totally out of control. What appears to be totally out of control today in the world, is actually framed. God knows how far it’s going , nothing is out of control.
I know that God, at the flick of a switch can expand that frame at anytime if I get to sure of myself. Yet, He is saying,,Quote “ You see, you’ve only experienced life from your perspective.
And that’s not enough. Now, if you’re going to be a king and rule the world under Christ,
you’ve got to have a broader perspective of everything and everybody.”

This post was about suffering. I agree with you about this being a parable for the elect,
the few chosen . Is not the whole bible ia giant parable as Ray said, for the admonition of
the called and chosen, or am I not understanding correctly. It is Spiritually decerned by
those whom God chooses to be reigning with Him , yes?


Those are awesome scriptures Porter.

1Corth. 2:9
But as it is written, eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart
of man. The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.

Eventually, everybody will love Him.    In Christ, Pamela






Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Johnny70 on December 13, 2018, 10:09:02 PM
Hi Porter,
You seem to be on to something in part Porter - the days are shortened for the sake of the elect. Is this the meaning suggested here - saying only the elect - that the days are shortened for and not any other none elect persons? You say that this could be "an end to MY TRIBULATION". Interesting view of these texts. Pamela, is right they are awesome scriptures.

John
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dave in Tenn on December 13, 2018, 10:49:07 PM

Please forgive the incoming wall of text.

This is where I believe I have seen these scriptures, Dave. There seems to be a deep meaning revealed? What do you think?

Matthew 24:21-22 Modern English Version (MEV)
21 For then will be great tribulation, such as has not happened since the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.
22 Unless those days were shortened, no one would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
Mark 13:19-20 Modern English Version (MEV)
19 For in those days there will be distress as has not been from the beginning of the creation which God created to this time, nor ever shall be.
20 “Except the Lord shortened the days, no flesh would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days.

Remembering Christ's words are spirit, I can't help but to think that this is a parable of the "few chosen".

Joh_16:33  These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

1Th 3:3  That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto.
1Th 3:4  For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know. 

If I was an Elect, how merciful of Him would it be if He shortened the days of MY "great tribulation"? I believe the tribulation of the Saints is related to judgment, because it teaches Godly character. Judgment through tribulation is training.

Rom 5:3  And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Rom 5:4  And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Some would say it's always been this bad, and even worse at other times in history, but when God opens your eyes, it's not only to spiritual truth and it becomes impossible to doubt that the decay of morality is at an all time high, as well as declining rapidly. I can see an escalation of decline as a daily norm at this point and conditions in the world are like a run away train   with no hope of rescue, but seeing Gods plan at work is the hope of assured rescue.
I can attest to this.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the birth pains Jesus talks about.

Mar 13:8  because nation will rise up in arms against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes and famines in various places. These things are only the beginning of the birth pains.

1Th 5:3  When people say, "There is peace and security," destruction will strike them as suddenly as labor pains come to a pregnant woman, and they will not be able to escape.

Joh 16:21  When a woman is in labor she has pain, because her time has come. Yet when she has given birth to her child, she doesn't remember the agony anymore because of the joy of having brought a human being into the world. 



There is nothing new under the sun. Disasters and bad behavior have always been with us.

I like this guy's take on natural disasters despite the fact he doesn't understand that ultimately all is of God. I mean, we are where we are because of God right?

Anyhow, here's a link and a couple points that he made which got me thinking. Tell me what you think.

https://www.iflscience.com/environment/are-natural-disasters-rise/ (https://www.iflscience.com/environment/are-natural-disasters-rise/)

Potentially hazardous events do not need to end in a disaster. Disasters occur because of the intersection of hazard with exposed people and assets that are vulnerable to the hazard. They are characterised by a lack of resilience and poor capacity to cope and respond in the affected area. Without vulnerability there can be no disaster.

For me, disasters are a social construct and are about people. I make no apologies for taking such an anthropocentric view.

The big question is does this trend represent a statistical change in the physical occurrence of natural disasters or an increasingly vulnerable global population (or both)?

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Are people really getting worse? Or is there just more people? If torturing someone is one of the worst things you can do, well then that has been around for thousands of years. Sad I know, but true.

I'm pretty sure your Scriptural quotes are parables also. A woman giving birth is often used in Scripture to represent a Church birthing like children.

Rom 8:19  For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Rom 8:20  For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21  Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22  For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

It's always about the "many called" or the "few chosen" and depending on which you are or what you believe, your "mother" will either be the bondmaid or freewoman.

Gal 4:22  For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23  But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24  Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25  For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26  But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27  For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children (many called) than she which hath an husband (few chosen).

Earthquakes, famines, disasters, nations and kingdoms fighting wars, these things have always been with us in a literal sense, so I'm not so sure that these words of Christ and His Apostles are teaching us about literal things. These "events" have got to be happening in the realm or heaven of my heart and mind.

It feels like a literal war sometimes where everything I was is crumbling and falling apart and I'm just screaming NO, STOP IT LEAVE ME ALONE! I'm such a terrible sinner. Who will save me?

Rom 7:23  But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24  O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Rev 12:7  And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8  And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Sorry for going on like this, but spiritually speaking, it's been rough. I don't know ( I really don't) if God is saving me, but if He is then Ray wasn't lying when he said it would be the hardest thing I will ever do. This on top of some of the most disgusting physical ailments I must endure, makes me wish I were dead.

One thing I think about a lot is that if He is not saving me at this time and I find myself in the resurrection to judgment, what could I possibly say? Talk about being between a rock and a hard place. I would have no excuse.

Sorry for the wall of text and going off topic a bit there, but it seemed like what I said was related to "end times prophecies" and what I perceive to be a major upheaval in my life, physically and possibly spiritually. Maybe I'm looking for some confirmation or even a little encouragement, I don't know. My house built on sand in the wilderness is falling greatly and I can't say I like it. Feels like the end times for sure lol.

You sure saved me a lot of typing.  How's that?
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on December 14, 2018, 03:30:31 AM
Hi Wanda,

We have similar understanding.
O. K. but after the great war who will remain alive and mortal to be governed?
Will there be a remnant?
I'm sure that the world's banks will be kaput and their leaders removed,
but if all the means of business and production of food is gone how will people survive?

Inquiring minds would like to know...

If I'm understanding Isaiah 65:17-25 there will be people alive when and after Jesus returns Bob. I don't see an instant change into perfection as some might, but an ongoing process. I used to wonder why Satan was being confined if no one was alive to temp and deceive.

As for food, how do you feel about manna☺
Seriously, I really haven't ever given that much thought.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on December 14, 2018, 03:08:56 PM
Hi Wanda,

All throughout the scriptures in every circumstance or catastrophe God said a remnant was reserved. Sometimes 7000, sometimes 8 souls, but God leaves a mortal witness to His miracles.  :)

Indiana Bob
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on December 14, 2018, 03:33:45 PM

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Please forgive the incoming wall of text.

I very much enjoyed your post Porter.

I 've endured great tribulation in my life and at times I felt I was bordering on the state of insanity, but by the mercy and purpose of God's will for me, by cutting those days short I was spared that horror.

I can now say I'm blessed to have experienced such tribulation because on the other side of it I was given so much more. I don't know the tribulation that yet awaits me, but I feel confident I will survive it, through life or death.

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on December 15, 2018, 12:16:06 AM
Hi Wanda,

We have similar understanding.
O. K. but after the great war who will remain alive and mortal to be governed?
Will there be a remnant?
I'm sure that the world's banks will be kaput and their leaders removed,
but if all the means of business and production of food is gone how will people survive?

Inquiring minds would like to know...

If I'm understanding Isaiah 65:17-25 there will be people alive when and after Jesus returns Bob. I don't see an instant change into perfection as some might, but an ongoing process. I used to wonder why Satan was being confined if no one was alive to temp and deceive.

As for food, how do you feel about manna☺
Seriously, I really haven't ever given that much thought.

Wanda is correct.

1Co 15:25  For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

This proves those remaining are not instantly changed into perfection. Else Christ would have to reign just for an instant.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on December 15, 2018, 03:17:47 PM
Quote
1Co 15:25  For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

This proves those remaining are not instantly changed into perfection. Else Christ would have to reign just for an instant.

It's because of this scriptural truth,  I must question the timeline many hold fast to on the second resurrection.  From verse 12 which is after this great battle, where God devours them,  we can see the dead standing before God for judgement. If this is the order of things to come then I must contend the second resurrection occurs at the end of the thousand years, otherwise I am left with scriptural contradictions.

Rev 20 KJV

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
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12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Now he has truly conquered all of his enemies.

1 Cor
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

In addition, if the resurrection happened at the  beginning of the next age, it really makes no sense, to me anyway, why God would let Saten loose to temp those he had resurrected,  judged and made Righteous at the white thrown.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on December 15, 2018, 03:30:45 PM
Rev 20:5  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

This verse is spurious and does not belong in the scriptures.

https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,6638.msg53239.html#msg53239 (https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,6638.msg53239.html#msg53239)
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on December 15, 2018, 05:10:58 PM
Rev 20:5  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

This verse is spurious and does not belong in the scriptures.

https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,6638.msg53239.html#msg53239 (https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,6638.msg53239.html#msg53239)

Yes, and that's precisely why I didn't include it.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Johnny70 on December 15, 2018, 05:55:53 PM
Hi Dennis,
If vs 5 of Revelation Twenty is not part of the Bible then does not vs 6 say that "Blessed and holy is he that has a part in the FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of Christ, AND SHALL REIGN WITH HIM A THOUSAND YEARS.

From verse SIX ALONE we can see that the first resurrection of the dead is before the thousand years, which is at the Second Coming of Jesus.

I Thess 4:16 - " For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ will rise FIRST" 17)"then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." Does this not complete the list of those that are included as the elect in the FIRST RESURRECTION?


So it seems that there is not any other time space left - other than the SECOND resurrection happening AFTER THE THOUSAND YEARS WERE FINISHED.

VS SIX backs up verse FIVE!

John
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Porter on December 15, 2018, 09:16:56 PM
Hi Porter,
You seem to be on to something in part Porter - the days are shortened for the sake of the elect. Is this the meaning suggested here - saying only the elect - that the days are shortened for and not any other none elect persons? You say that this could be "an end to MY TRIBULATION". Interesting view of these texts. Pamela, is right they are awesome scriptures.

John

Hi John, I can't say I completely understand it, but I do know that tribulation (for the Elect) ends at Christs advent and wrath (for the non-elect) also begins at Christs advent.

Mat 24:29  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31  And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

How it relates to the end of the world and "wholesale DEATH" (as Ray put it) is still a mystery to me.

Like I said, I wrote that for confirmation and or correction from others in case I was totally off.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Johnny70 on December 15, 2018, 10:07:04 PM
Hi Porter,
This is an interesting subject. The statement by Jesus that says, " NIV If those days have not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened." I believe that Ray Smith taught that statement meant - world conditions, The Day of the Lord and all events were to be cut short for all peoples not just the elect. This would make it possible for a small group of humans to be on this planet during a thousand year period of time when Christ would rule on this earth - Rev 19:15. I believe this is the teaching here.

John
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: John from Kentucky on December 16, 2018, 12:24:34 AM
Rev 20:5  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

This verse is spurious and does not belong in the scriptures.

https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,6638.msg53239.html#msg53239 (https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,6638.msg53239.html#msg53239)

Dennis,
I think we need to reconsider what we call spurious Scriptures.

After all, we do not have the original written writings of any Scriptures.
They are all copies of copies.  The oldest copies of the Scriptures are about 300 years after Jesus's death.  The present government of the United States has not existed for 300 years.
Therefore, you cannot call any verse spurious, if you cannot compare it against the original monograph.

The verse in Revelation makes sense if you make it a parenthetical statement, which I believe the CLV translators did.  The Greek manuscripts we have did not use parentheses or other major punctuation.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on December 16, 2018, 01:10:27 AM
Rev 20:5  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

This verse is spurious and does not belong in the scriptures.

https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,6638.msg53239.html#msg53239 (https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,6638.msg53239.html#msg53239)

OOPS, sorry Dennis, without realizing it I did allude to the scripture even though I didn't  include it,  but honestly, with or without Rev 20:5  I don't see any way around 2 seperate and distinct resurrections.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on December 16, 2018, 11:05:07 AM
Rev 20:5  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

This verse is spurious and does not belong in the scriptures.

https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,6638.msg53239.html#msg53239 (https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,6638.msg53239.html#msg53239)

Dennis,
I think we need to reconsider what we call spurious Scriptures.

After all, we do not have the original written writings of any Scriptures.
They are all copies of copies.  The oldest copies of the Scriptures are about 300 years after Jesus's death.  The present government of the United States has not existed for 300 years.
Therefore, you cannot call any verse spurious, if you cannot compare it against the original monograph.

The verse in Revelation makes sense if you make it a parenthetical statement, which I believe the CLV translators did.  The Greek manuscripts we have did not use parentheses or other major punctuation.

I know these are here for a reason John - But that's the best I can do

Rev 22:18  For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:


Rev 22:19  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on January 01, 2019, 08:21:29 PM
Isa 1:7  Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.

I can feel the heat.

We might not be on the same thought with this Scripture Dennis, but if not I'm sure you'll correct me.

I'm seeing a connection to the insurmountable problems pertaining to the huge numbers that have migrated to many parts of Europe, and the same is happening in the US and Canada.

I'm sure many are aware of the huge numbers that came into Mexico recently, but not many know that thousands of these people from Central America that are in Mexico, are now being bused in to the US by Homeland Security and Ice enforcement daily. They are being dropped of to points all over the US even though it's not being reported in the media.

It  has been reported there are 12,000 more on the way to the Mexican border,  expected to arrive this month. If this continues,  what we see happening in Europe will become our reality.  Coming conditions can and will most likely, get  progressively worse as a result.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dave in Tenn on January 01, 2019, 09:03:05 PM
On the other hand, if I had been a native "new worlder" with a bible, I might have assumed this prophecy was referring to me and my world.  It was certainly more literally "fulfilled" in both north, south, and central america. 

I'm curious how you "know" something "even though it's not being reported in the media", but both question and answer may take this thread into territory Dennis did not desire.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on January 01, 2019, 09:13:30 PM
You make a good point Dave.

I can answer without breaking any rules. I have seen videos from independent reporters, who are filming this happening all over the US daily. I've seen the agency's I mentioned bringing them in and the buses being unloaded. These videos are being posted everyday on youtube.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dave in Tenn on January 01, 2019, 09:46:54 PM
I'd suggest that without context and corroboration, you don't know what you're seeing, even if the video is accurate.  I find it impossible to believe in this climate that "media" is not reporting things.

Regardless, my main point is that the interpretation of at least some "prophecies" are subjective to experience.  Beyond that, understanding has to be lived.  It cannot be taught.  The "signs of the times" have either happened to someone or they haven't.  And that too is prophesied.  Each and every one of us is "in there" somewhere.   
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on January 02, 2019, 01:32:12 AM
Quote
I'd suggest that without context and corroboration, you don't know what you're seeing, even if the video is accurate.  I find it impossible to believe in this climate that "media" is not reporting things.

And I'd suggest, as impossible as that may seem, the media's only interest  is to present their own biased agenda. It's really not something new.

Quote
Regardless, my main point is that the interpretation of at least some "prophecies" are subjective to experience.  Beyond that, understanding has to be lived.  It cannot be taught.  The "signs of the times" have either happened to someone or they haven't.  And that too is prophesied.  Each and every one of us is "in there" somewhere.

Can't disagree with that.

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on February 01, 2019, 08:53:43 AM
Dan 12:4  But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Just as an interesting side note to “knowledge shall be increased”:

There has been an internet rumor floating around that two AI (Artificial Intelligence) chatbots in a lab began talking to each other in an unknown language of their own creation and had to be shut down. While the rumor is fundamentally false, it is based in some fact. There are numerous groups in the United States teaching chatbots to converse in English (and probably in other languages in other countries). They are learning to learn on their own and speak to humans as though they were human without us being able to tell the difference. As if that’s not bad enough, when there is no ‘reward’ for continuing in proper English or if there is no human involved in the conversation, they diverge from using standard English grammar and begin to use a kind of made-up “shorthand language” when speaking to each other. This same affinity for taking self-determined shortcuts has been noted with an AI program deliberately leaving items out of digital photographs when left to its own devices—items that it apparently deemed to be “unnecessary” to the image.
While I don’t believe AI will ever be a sentient self-aware entity, we may be creating an ultra-fast thinking “intelligent” Frankenstein’s Monster that seems to have all the flaws of human nature and none of the ethics. These machines are being developed by people who are not grounded in spiritual morals. We are working toward becoming dependent on something so “smart” that we may outsmart ourselves in the end.   

Mike
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on February 01, 2019, 11:22:23 AM
Isa 1:7  Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.

I can feel the heat.

We might not be on the same thought with this Scripture Dennis, but if not I'm sure you'll correct me.

I'm seeing a connection to the insurmountable problems pertaining to the huge numbers that have migrated to many parts of Europe, and the same is happening in the US and Canada.

I'm sure many are aware of the huge numbers that came into Mexico recently, but not many know that thousands of these people from Central America that are in Mexico, are now being bused in to the US by Homeland Security and Ice enforcement daily. They are being dropped of to points all over the US even though it's not being reported in the media.

It  has been reported there are 12,000 more on the way to the Mexican border,  expected to arrive this month. If this continues,  what we see happening in Europe will become our reality.  Coming conditions can and will most likely, get  progressively worse as a result.

We in North America tend to think we are the center of attention, and in many ways we are. But in Europe there has been an invasion of Muslim migrants except for a few countries like Hungry and Poland. Muslims are now close to 10% of the European population.

Most of these immigrants do not work and live off the various states. Even former idyllic states like Sweden, Finland, and Norway now suffer much higher crime.

As far as people coming in via Mexico, they are mostly Catholic's and will eventually assimilate. But in the meantime they are a burden on US social services.

These are facts and not political statements which I appreciate everyone staying away from.

Isa 1:7  Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.

Like North America, all of Europe is predominately Christian. If these are the end-times it's only going to get worse.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on February 01, 2019, 06:04:39 PM
What country, city, or whatever do you think this is talking about, and why?

Rev 18:9  And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

Rev 18:10  Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Rev 18:11  And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

Rev 18:12  The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

Rev 18:13  And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

Rev 18:14  And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

Rev 18:15  The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

Rev 18:16  And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

Rev 18:17  For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

Rev 18:18  And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on February 01, 2019, 09:18:25 PM
Well first it's got to be a city in a Nation that professed belief in the one God, so we are left with only a few choices that may include London or New York City or even Washington D.C. What other possibilities come to mind that God would care enough about to apply stern correction leading to repentance?
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on February 01, 2019, 10:11:47 PM
It could be several cities, but I'm only clear on one, Washington DC,  the seat of power. This is where laws are made and bought and where the rich become richer. When this power is destroyed there will be much weeping.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on February 01, 2019, 10:57:28 PM
I will say, Vatican City. They got rich selling our Lords name and used people like
Joseph Kennedy (JFK’s) Father to get them in the stock market.
Ray once said about church government,( its not just about money, it’s only about money.
I think
Money is the root that needs to be pulled. It says on it, in god we trust. Small g intentional.
Also , doesn’t Christianity bow down to Israel, Judiaism. Isn’t this where the corruption began
and spread to christiandom? Gods gonna take it all down.  Hallelujah, Praise and Glory.

Love Pamela
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on February 02, 2019, 10:01:36 AM
I cannot think of any single city that qualifies for this:

Rev 18:11  And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

Rev 18:15  The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

Rev 18:17  For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,



Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Porter on February 02, 2019, 11:35:00 AM
First thing that came to mind was all the Christian nations that pay homage to the Church or "Mother Jerusalem which is below" that has children in bondage.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on February 02, 2019, 12:11:22 PM
I cannot think of any single city that qualifies for this:

Rev 18:11  And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

Rev 18:15  The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

Rev 18:17  For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,


If we are talking strictly Christian, I don't know how or why this would be the one, but Singapore has come to my mind...perhaps simply due to the fact that my son just returned from a business trip to this unique one of a kind city-state and maritime giant. It has connections to 600 other ports in 123 countries over six continents. His description and photos of the appearance, expense and life style there was mind blowing. It manufactures little except electronics and chemicals, but you can buy and sell virtually anything at or through her. Any business that wants a global footprint has to have some kind of presence there (which is why my son was there) if only a single room office address. As far as riches and modern modality, it's a true contemporary Babylon of sorts.

Mike
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on February 02, 2019, 02:55:14 PM
I cannot think of any single city that qualifies for this:

Rev 18:11  And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

Rev 18:15  The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

Rev 18:17  For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
In 2019  America still ranks number one as a world power and has the world’s largest economy and biggest military budget,

They are second only to China in trade, exporting trillions in merchandise every year, and I can see no other country that compares to ancient Babylon in wealth and Power.

 I don't see modern Babylon as a single city, but a worldwide economic and political system, that  no longer requires the Euphrates as it's life blood, as ancient Babylon did. Modern Babylons Euphrates, is it's banking system. The river banks of the Euphrates are now the river banks that hold money, that is also called liquidity. The collapse of this system would be huge.







 
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on February 02, 2019, 05:43:09 PM
China has been trying to turn itself into a consumer economy but the Chinese people save most of their money or invest in real estate. Relatively little gets imported into China other than raw materials.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on February 02, 2019, 07:16:14 PM
China has been trying to turn itself into a consumer economy but the Chinese people save most of their money or invest in real estate. Relatively little gets imported into China other than raw materials.

According to this source from  World Bank Group, United Nations Statistics Division, China is second to the US in consumerism.

https://www.capstoneadvgroup.com/articles/worlds-largest-consumer-markets---global-commerce

Several sources said the Chinese consumers  purchase online for better quality products, available in other countries.

https://www.practicalecommerce.com/chinese-consumers-eager-buy-foreign-goods
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on February 02, 2019, 08:50:12 PM
Related article: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-07-08/chinese-savers-won-t-save-the-chinese-economy (https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-07-08/chinese-savers-won-t-save-the-chinese-economy)
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dave in Tenn on February 03, 2019, 08:30:31 AM
First thing that came to mind was all the Christian nations that pay homage to the Church or "Mother Jerusalem which is below" that has children in bondage.

This.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on February 03, 2019, 11:59:32 AM
I tend to agree Dave but I'm not convinced yet.

A few interesting YouTube videos on China: https://youtu.be/f5SE47Xjx2Q (https://youtu.be/f5SE47Xjx2Q)

And https://youtu.be/XopSDJq6w8E (https://youtu.be/XopSDJq6w8E)

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on February 04, 2019, 06:34:45 PM
In Ray's  Tower paper, he had plenty to say about the evils of America and their part in coming prophecy,. The Christian Nations will be the first to fall, but they will not be the only ones God will punish.

Ray -

But it was not their goodness that gave them freedom. Christians didn't build this nation. Our founding fathers did not build this nation. It was God's time to build a city and a nation. The unseen hand of God built American, and God can take it away.

"And you say in your heart MY power and the might of MY hand has gotten me this wealth. But you shall remember the Lord your God: for it is HE that gives you power to get wealth... And it shall be, if you do at all forget the Lord your God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that YOU SHALL SURELY PERISH" (Deut. 8:17-19).

A SINFUL NATION, a people LADEN WITH INIQUITY, a seed of EVILDOERS, children that are CORRUPTERS: they have FORSAKEN THE LORD... they are gone away BACKWARD... the whole HEAD IS SICK, and the WHOLE HEART FAINT. From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is NO SOUNDNESS IN IT" (Isa. 1:4-6).

All the nations will be punished

Jer. 25:26- "...AND ALL THE KINGDOMSOF THE WORLD, which are upon the face of the earth... For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by MY NAME, and should you be utterly unpunished? You shall NOT be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon ALL THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH... Therefore prophesy you against them ALL these words... against ALL THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH

As we have seen in Jeremiah, God will punish ALL NATIONS, but the Christian Nations will be the first to fall.  First God punishes His people, and then He punishes those He used as a club in His hand to punish His people. Few will take this warning seriously-what about YOU?

"Thus says the Lord of hosts; EVEN SO WILL I  BREAK THIS PEOPLE AND THIS CITY, as one breaks a potter's vessel, that cannot be made whole again: and they shall bury them in Tophet, till there be no place to bury" (Jeremiah 19:11).

https://bible-truths.com/towers.htm



Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on February 04, 2019, 07:53:28 PM
I tend to agree Dave but I'm not convinced yet.

A few interesting YouTube videos on China: https://youtu.be/f5SE47Xjx2Q (https://youtu.be/f5SE47Xjx2Q)

And https://youtu.be/XopSDJq6w8E (https://youtu.be/XopSDJq6w8E)

I'm gobsmacked, never seen anything like it.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on February 04, 2019, 09:18:44 PM
First God punishes His people and then He punishes those He used as a club in His hand
to punish His people.,,,,, Any idea on who that club might be?🤔

Ray also spoke about a modern day Tophet in the Valley of Hinnom

Symbols of  Far Greator Sins, Bohemian Grove, Self sanctifying, swine and mice eating.
Ray,,,,” Just as I tried to show in my recent paper on the Twin Towers. It is a symbol
of mans defiance of God and His laws.The destruction of the Towers was not the fulfillment
of Gods wrath on our nations sin but rather what those towers represented.And the destruction of the towers is merely a type and manor of the far greater destruction which is to follow.
Many missed the point of my whole paper. I don’t know how I could have made it more clear.”

Didn’t those towers represent the financial market?

So the leaders are self righteous and what did Isaiah have to say about that.
Isaiah 64:6
But we are as an unclean thing and all our unrighteousness is as filthy rags.
Ray. “ It is only God who can sanctify yet Isaiah propheciesd that these last generations
would attempt self purification. These leaders are mans attemp to bring about a Utopia
for themselves through mans wisdom. God will bring it all down one day”
In the Tophet paper Ray also threw in a little tidbit as he called it about the Muslim religion.
And the one tree in the midst. Anyone connecting the dots to those two things? 🤔

Remember Ray spoke of today’s religions trying to unite Christianity and Muslim religion.
He said” darkness with darkness. Well I don’t know if this means anything but the pope
went to an Arab country this week. First time ever in history.

To quote Ray
“ These teachings are spiritual. God uses physical symbols to teach spiritual truths.

It’s getting mighty interesting here in Canada .      In Christ,, Pamela

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on February 05, 2019, 09:40:45 AM
Concerning those videos on the Chinese housing “boom”: I knew about the ghost cities, but I had no idea exactly why, nor how poorly constructed so many of them are. For the first time in history, ever since we went off the gold standard, every country in the world has their monetary system based on a Keynesian fiat system which is money backed by absolutely nothing tangible—nothing except a printing press and the people’s confidence (regardless of what anyone claims otherwise). It’s interesting that the first recorded incidence of fiat money dates back to China about 3000 years ago. It collapsed. And history has proven, without exception, that all fiat systems eventually seek their true intrinsic value, which is zero. In a bizarre sort of way, it almost seems like the Chinese have figured out how to take that fiat system and apply it beyond the monetary. They’re “printing” worthless housing along with the money—housing that seeks its true value…zero.

I’m not at all certain about where the reference to Babylon truly lies. But… The U. S. dollar is the world’s reserve currency. It’s fiat money, along with trillions of dollars of debt. And I don’t know which one of the dominos is going to be the one at the front of the line… maybe the U.S. or maybe even some small unnoticed domino will set off the whole line. Whatever does it, I do know this: When that first domino falls, it is going to whack the U. S. and all the others will follow. When that system collapses, which it will, the repercussions are going to be massive.

Mike
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on February 05, 2019, 11:07:44 AM
Who fits this?

Rev 18:11  And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

Rev 18:15  The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

Rev 18:17  For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

IMO the ships delivered merchandise - They were not waiting to load their ships.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on February 05, 2019, 11:13:51 AM
Concerning those videos on the Chinese housing “boom”: I knew about the ghost cities, but I had no idea exactly why, nor how poorly constructed so many of them are. For the first time in history, ever since we went off the gold standard, every country in the world has their monetary system based on a Keynesian fiat system which is money backed by absolutely nothing tangible—nothing except a printing press and the people’s confidence (regardless of what anyone claims otherwise). It’s interesting that the first recorded incidence of fiat money dates back to China about 3000 years ago. It collapsed. And history has proven, without exception, that all fiat systems eventually seek their true intrinsic value, which is zero. In a bizarre sort of way, it almost seems like the Chinese have figured out how to take that fiat system and apply it beyond the monetary. They’re “printing” worthless housing along with the money—housing that seeks its true value…zero.

I’m not at all certain about where the reference to Babylon truly lies. But… The U. S. dollar is the world’s reserve currency. It’s fiat money, along with trillions of dollars of debt. And I don’t know which one of the dominos is going to be the one at the front of the line… maybe the U.S. or maybe even some small unnoticed domino will set off the whole line. Whatever does it, I do know this: When that first domino falls, it is going to whack the U. S. and all the others will follow. When that system collapses, which it will, the repercussions are going to be massive.

Mike

China is unloading their US holdings including real-estate and buying gold.

They are purchasing oil from Russia with their currency which is backed by their gold.

Many articles. A quick Google search:

https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/International/China-Prepares-Death-Blow-To-The-Dollar.html (https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/International/China-Prepares-Death-Blow-To-The-Dollar.html)
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on February 05, 2019, 01:19:22 PM
Do those scriptures have dual messages in them Dennis.?
Rev, 11,17,and 15
Since the physical symbols represents the spiritual I understood the ship being a church
They have shipmasters, sailors on the sea of humanity and the merchants are merchants of death.
They  are brokers for the souls of men. They sell salvation. They use the fear of going to hell
to sell their product. And they keep the power to rule this way .
Wikipedia,,, Early Christians thought of the church as a ship.
When Babylon falls the merchants will indeed weep and wail. There goes their business.
All the company in ships stood afar of ( separated)
Anyway that’s my two cents.

Also, There is a book called The Merchants of Death. In the 1930’s The US attacked
industries and  banks that supplied and funded WW1 for profit.

,,, The war profiteers (Military Industrial Complex)are making money as never before. They are benefiting from conflict as never before.
I read this in an article or Wikipedia, cant remember..

From The Utter Descruction of Babylon in Jeremiah.

Jer.51:7..... Babylon was a golden cup in the Lords hand,making all the earth drunken, the nations
ESV.            drank of her wine ,therefore the nations went mad.
                  8, suddenly Babylon has fallen and been broken, wail for her, take balm for
                  pain, perhaps she may be healed.13..O you who dwell by many waters, rich in
                  treasures, your end has come , the thread of your life is cut.

Rev18:10
They will stand afar of in fear of of her torment.ALAS!ALAS![WOE!WOE!] You great city
Babylon, for in a single hour your judgement has come.
Rev.19:2
For His judgements are true and just for He has judged the great prostitute who
corrupted the earth with her immorality and has avenged on her the blood of His
servents.
Rev.18:4
Come out of Her my people.     In Christ, Pamela
                 
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on February 05, 2019, 04:41:51 PM
Who fits this?

Rev 18:11  And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

Rev 18:15  The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

Rev 18:17  For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

IMO the ships delivered merchandise - They were not waiting to load their ships.

The United States imported $2.9 trillion in 2017. That includes $2.4 trillion in goods and $534 billion in services.

America is the world's largest importer.  Its imports vastly exceed those of second-place China, importing $1.731 trillion, and the European Union, which imports $1.727 trillion. Combined, these countries import $5.8 trillion, or one-third of the world's total imports of $15.34 trillion. They’re the world's best customers.

https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-imports-statistics-and-issues-3306260
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on February 05, 2019, 08:30:04 PM

China is unloading their US holdings including real-estate and buying gold.

They are purchasing oil from Russia with their currency which is backed by their gold.

Many articles. A quick Google search:

https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/International/China-Prepares-Death-Blow-To-The-Dollar.html (https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/International/China-Prepares-Death-Blow-To-The-Dollar.html)

Yes, China (and Russia) have been buying up huge quantities of gold over the past number of years. And there is no doubt as to their intentions. That is actually something I wrote about in a book a few years back. But the fact remains that the yuan is still fiat money regardless of its supposed status. The Yuan cannot be converted for physical gold, even though China claimed it would be convertible; and there has already been a “fork in the road” since the launch. Now it is the petro/gold backed yuan. Regardless of the vast quantity in China’s possession, she would have to guarantee conversion in order for it to have an impact. And the value of gold would have to skyrocket in order to back up all of China’s paper. 

Don’t misunderstand me. I think China's actions do not bode well for the United States. And gold may very well be one of the dominos. The U.S. has been foolishly disparaging gold for decades. No one even knows how much gold the U.S. has in reserve. When Germany asked for some of her reserves that were being held in American vaults to be transferred back to Germany, our response was very much of a delaying tactic. American authorities would not even allow an audit. And the gold which could have easily be transported in quick time was allocated by the American government to be returned over a period of years. Thus, it raised quite a few eyebrows and rumors. Fort Knox hasn’t been properly inventoried since the days of Eisenhower, in spite of several requests by Congressmen. The so-called audits that have been conducted were mere inspections of the seals on the lower vaults. That is hardly confirmation of what an inventory log book claims to be on the inside.

Mike

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AK4 on February 09, 2019, 02:20:37 PM
Hello everyone.  Ive always been with you guys in spirit for the past 13 years...Im just not a big poster.  But anyways, this one is yet to be fulfilled but think about it as if you are one of the ones who get to be a witness to this verses fulfillment...and how happy you will be.  BTW dont confuse this with the silly rapture teaching.

1 Corinthians 15:51-55 King James Version (KJV)


51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep (die), but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?


In other words...think about it as you being part of the generation of people who will never EVER die. (physically)


Anthony
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Johnny70 on February 14, 2019, 12:21:22 PM
Hi Mike,
You say well - and even though the Chinese fiat yuan will fail as all such currencies do in these times of unrestrained borrowing/easing. China will have their infrastructure, a super AI military, their manufacturing base and their vast reserves of physical gold that will skyrocket in value to cover the size of their economy.

John
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on February 14, 2019, 12:31:08 PM
Hi Mike,
You say well - and even though the Chinese fiat yuan will fail as all such currencies do in these times of unrestrained borrowing/easing. China will have their infrastructure, a super AI military, their manufacturing base and their vast reserves of physical gold that will skyrocket in value to cover the size of their economy.

John

Mostly true John IMO, but many will have their wealth/savings disappear and there may be an uprising.

And I think much of their gold will be used to import oil.

China is feeling it now. Unemployment is rising.

But we agree the worldwide crash is coming.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on February 14, 2019, 04:59:58 PM
The Federal Reserve Bank of NY,  reports that 7 million Americans are in default on their car loans. That seems like a steep number, but if true it's very telling of conditions here in the US.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-02-12/auto-loan-performance-worsens-on-rise-in-subprime-delinquencies
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Johnny70 on February 14, 2019, 09:19:08 PM
Wanda that is so true. A good friend of mine is a car salesman and the high percentage of people that are coming into the dealership and owing a substantial amount of money on THIER TRADE is insane. Then when they buy their new car not only do they owe for that but what ever was left on the loan from their trade compounds their debt and are way upside down in their asset. Another huge subprime debt structure. Very bad stuff.


Yes Dennis. There is going to be a super crash with this western debt based economic private central bank system. I think it will be bad in Russia and China but they are more prepared for it. Russia has kicked out the private western central banks plus have low debts about 16% of GDP and China has leveraged its foreign reserves for their spending spree - so it will all be very interesting how this plays out. The trade wars that are in place at this time could turn into shooting wars IMHO.

John
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on February 14, 2019, 10:08:23 PM
This just in fresh off the wire

The rapture is no later than May 14,2019 and they found Lots wife.😂😂😂
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Johnny70 on February 15, 2019, 12:24:19 AM
Hi Pamela,
May 14 - for the Rapture this is great news. Nothing will be better than meeting Jesus way up high in the air. I wonder why they took so long to find Lot's wife - after turning to stone she should have lasted awhile and been easy to find!

John
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on February 15, 2019, 09:00:18 AM
On one hand......

"China to end the year as world’s worst performing stock market.
Stocks shed $2tn." Financial Times (London), Dec 18, 2018


And yet, on the other hand.........

"Chinese companies have been the biggest buyers of overseas
mining assets during the past year, in a concerted push to secure the
metals and minerals required for the energy transition away from
fossil fuels. This has led them to buy stakes in copper, cobalt and
lithium assets in countries as far afield as the Democratic Republic
of Congo, Serbia and Chile. Their largest acquisition last year was
the $4.1bn purchase of a 24 percent stake in a Chilean lithium miner
SQM. This deal and others contrast with the more cautious approach
by western mining companies such as Rio Tinto, Anglo American
and BHP Billiton, which have resisted any large acquisitions
reminiscent of that previous commodity boom that eventually led to
$109bn of write-offs. It is a bifurcation that could have profound
implications for who controls the future supply of critical metals,
which are expected to see surging demand over the next decade as
sales of electric cars increase. “Who’s got the fairest portion of the
earth? It’s still Rio, Anglo American and BHP, but the current
dynamic is making it harder and harder for the west to maintain that
position in the face of an increasingly self-confident China.” The Financial Times (London), Jan 25, 2019


China has been making very good use of her fiat money to take a superior position in the world's vital strategic elements along with gold and gold mines. The above mentioned list is just the tip of the iceberg. The world (especially the U.S. and west in general) is going to wake up one day and wonder why we ever severed gold from our paper money. Yes, there has to be a crash sooner or later.

In the meantime....  I hope this is not considered to be a political statement, I don't really mean it to be as I consider it a simple statement of fact that is easily observed by anyone who has eyes and ears scanning the entire spectrum with no particular affiliation of any sort in mind, in my opinion, concerning the majority of our nation's government officials:
Isa 1:5 ... the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.
Isa 1:6  From the sole of the foot even to the head there is no soundness in it.....

Which can very quickly lead to:
Isa 1:7  Your land is wasted, your cities burned with fire. Strangers devour your land right before your eyes, and it is wasted, as overthrown by strangers.

Mike
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on February 15, 2019, 11:47:52 AM
Mat 24:6  And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

I don't think this is getting much press in the US but India is furious with Pakistan.

Just watch this YouTube live news feed for 15 minutes and see:

https://youtu.be/NyantkXMUUY (https://youtu.be/NyantkXMUUY)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-15/where-the-latest-india-pakistan-conflict-may-lead-quicktake (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-15/where-the-latest-india-pakistan-conflict-may-lead-quicktake)
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on February 21, 2019, 09:41:31 AM
I found myself browsing through this thread and contemplating just how much this subject fascinates everyone, not just on this site, but even among the general populace. It matters not whether it’s religious or secular. Everyone seems to have an “end of the age” mindset. The biggest one for the secular crowd is global warming which has now morphed into ‘global climate change’ to cover whatever fits the meteorological conditions of the moment. That alone seems to be turning into a kind of religious fervor all it own. I’m not trying to create a debate on the veracity of the subject; I’m just expressing my observation of how it’s being addressed as another type of the “end of the age” and how we are going to be brought into a “new age” by those who are determined to “save the world” by controlling the weather. I see it as an interesting parallel to scripture that, in vague sort of way, strikes me as being another form of false god.

I have just now realized that I’ve actually strayed away from what I originally intended to write. The premise of this is a number of questions. When did the end times begin? It seems that we have been in them since the first day of Pentecost. Every generation has thought itself to be the last. And the reasons have been understandable from the perspective of the people of those times. Wars, disease, persecutions, and even serious climate changes of the past have occurred again and again. I’m not going to list anything because I believe we are all aware of at least the worst of these events. So, here we are… closer than ever to the culmination. But just how close are we? What is our perspective compared to tomorrow’s? Who knows just how much is yet to occur before the true culmination of events?

Mike
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on February 21, 2019, 11:51:44 AM
The single biggest reason I started this thread:

Mat 24:42  Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on February 21, 2019, 12:45:35 PM
Anyone know about the world summit at the Vatican for the next four days.
A summit on sex abuse in the church. These vile snakes are discussing how to
protect children and deal with their priests, cardinals. What a pile of stinking dung
they are. No victims or spokespeople for the victims are allowed in to observe .
They are as usual on the outside and they are very angry. God will put a millstone
around the necks of these monsters.I have nine friends and family members who’s lives are full of depression
from sexual abuse. Indeed the whole head is sick.


From one of Rays E-mails

If you understand that Christiandom is BIG BUSINESS , the name of the game is MONEY.
Their main interest as I see it is POWER,FAME,AND FORTUNE. They have no interest in
truth.
Those who teach will be accountable for those who learn.....Ray

God is shaking this false world of religion. We are blessed to be made aware.
Keep watching brothers and sisters in Christ.❤️




Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on February 21, 2019, 01:44:27 PM
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But just how close are we? What is our perspective compared to tomorrow’s? Who knows just how much is yet to occur before the true culmination of events?

Mike,

All I can offer is, in the past couple of years I'm seeing an exceleration of events all around the world.  Unusual and even unexpected in some regards. Is it because I'm actually seeing prophecy beginning to unfold, or is it just my wishful thinking. All I know for certain, is God has inspired me to watch and decern what I'm seeing, and to have patience in the process.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on February 21, 2019, 01:47:30 PM
Anyone know about the world summit at the Vatican for the next four days.
A summit on sex abuse in the church. These vile snakes are discussing how to
protect children and deal with their priests, cardinals. What a pile of stinking dung
they are. No victims or spokespeople for the victims are allowed in to observe .
They are as usual on the outside and they are very angry. God will put a millstone
around the necks of these monsters.I have nine friends and family members who’s lives are full of depression
from sexual abuse. Indeed the whole head is sick.

1Ti 4:3  Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on February 21, 2019, 01:55:31 PM
Quote
Anyone know about the world summit at the Vatican for the next four days.
A summit on sex abuse in the church. These vile snakes are discussing how to
protect children and deal with their priests, cardinals. What a pile of stinking dung
they are. No victims or spokespeople for the victims are allowed in to observe .
They are as usual on the outside and they are very angry. God will put a millstone
around the necks of these monsters.I have nine friends and family members who’s lives are full of depression
from sexual abuse. Indeed the whole head is sick
.

Pamela -

I could only find excerpts for the upcoming summit on YT, maybe something more will be posted later.

There are many such cases being revealed, in most of the churches at this time. Lot's of money being paid out in settlements too. We can only hope it bleeds them all dry of their massive wealth.

Luke 8:17

17 For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on February 21, 2019, 02:22:56 PM
In addition to the verse Dennis posted, these apply to all.

Romans 1

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

As difficult as it is to accept these crimes against children, God has given us an understanding as to the why of it.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AwesomeSavior on February 21, 2019, 04:04:20 PM
The Vatican also created Islam. Do a search for it on any search engine. Evil organization.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dave in Tenn on February 22, 2019, 12:07:09 AM


I have just now realized that I’ve actually strayed away from what I originally intended to write. The premise of this is a number of questions. When did the end times begin? It seems that we have been in them since the first day of Pentecost. Every generation has thought itself to be the last. And the reasons have been understandable from the perspective of the people of those times. Wars, disease, persecutions, and even serious climate changes of the past have occurred again and again. I’m not going to list anything because I believe we are all aware of at least the worst of these events. So, here we are… closer than ever to the culmination. But just how close are we? What is our perspective compared to tomorrow’s? Who knows just how much is yet to occur before the true culmination of events?

Mike

The single biggest reason I started this thread:

Mat 24:42  Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Indeed.  But the mindset Mike is talking about in that post makes people really want that verse to say:  Watch, therefor, so ye may know what hour your Lord doth come.


Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on February 22, 2019, 02:45:16 AM
Hi Dave,

Good reminder.
Also noted that Watch doesn't mean Worry about it too much.
Just be aware of the need to be thankful for the gift of understanding and appreciative and then relax ... but keep your eyes open... :D No sleeping on the job.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Porter on February 24, 2019, 10:44:06 AM
So, here we are… closer than ever to the culmination. But just how close are we? What is our perspective compared to tomorrow’s? Who knows just how much is yet to occur before the true culmination of events?

Mike


One thing I'm sure of is, we are closer Today then we were yesterday. I don't think anyone knows how much longer the world will continue on as is. Looking at the state of the physical world is futile as "there is nothing new under the sun".


However, I do think it's important to be ready by "watching" and praying, so when Christ appears, we won't be surprised and locked out.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AwesomeSavior on March 04, 2019, 07:43:46 AM
Sadly, at least 23 people were killed yesterday in Lee County, Alabama from a massive tornado outbreak. I know why it happened, and it has to do with statements made yesterday by the State Department regarding Israel's ownership of Jerusalem and the "boundaries and borders" of final status "peace talks" between her and her enemies.

I pray every day for God's protection over His Elect from all of these natural events. May He continue to have mercy on us!

Dean
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: lareli on March 07, 2019, 10:24:02 AM
Sadly, at least 23 people were killed yesterday in Lee County, Alabama from a massive tornado outbreak. I know why it happened, and it has to do with statements made yesterday by the State Department regarding Israel's ownership of Jerusalem and the "boundaries and borders" of final status "peace talks" between her and her enemies.

I pray every day for God's protection over His Elect from all of these natural events. May He continue to have mercy on us!

Dean

How sure are you that you know “why” those 23 people died? We aren’t punished for other people’s sins. Ezekiel 18:20.

And what makes you think you are one of the elect? What makes any of us so certain that we are Gods special chosen ones?
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on March 07, 2019, 02:40:07 PM
Ecc 9:11  I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: John from Kentucky on March 07, 2019, 04:54:03 PM
In the Book of Job, we learn Satan used a wind storm to destroy the house thereby killing Job's ten children.
In the Scriptures, Satan is called the "prince of the power of the air".

The people in Alabama were killed by an act of Satan, not an act of God.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on March 07, 2019, 05:34:35 PM
Amen to that John.

I thank my God my inheritance is not one obtained by the innocent slaughter of others,  otherwise,  Jesus sacrificed his life for nothing. More importantly I praise him for being the righteous and just God he is, yesterday today and forever.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on March 07, 2019, 09:29:02 PM
Is God to blame for the suffering of mankind?

On the LOF  front page, this is the question  in an email to Ray. I believe it
is a must read for this topic.

In Christ, Pamela
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Johnny70 on March 08, 2019, 12:22:29 AM
Pamela - IMHO - you are absolutely correct. To quote just a few texts - Eccl 3:1 "Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
 To every thing there is a zeman (time), and an et (season) for every matter under Shomayim;" Every event and work is with the full intention of our Creator. Paul says - Ephesians 1:11 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
 "Also in union with him we were given an inheritance, we who were picked in advance according to the purpose of the One who effects everything in keeping with the decision of his will," His will supersedes the will or the intention of any power and as He would have it - because any power that exists owes its existence and capacity to The Creator who has total control over that creation. Isaiah 45:7 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) "I form light, I create darkness; I make well-being, I create woe; I, Adonai, do all these things." This is the Adonai that I am glad is in full control -  what ever reason that those 23 people died for in Lee County (my heart goes out to those friends and relatives in the most sincerest way) but they did not die in vain - as this was a planned purposeful event. If this world was not operating in accord with the purpose of The Almighty - we all would be in serious trouble!!
Johnny 
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dave in Tenn on March 08, 2019, 03:49:46 AM
This is a better translation, I think. 

LITV Ecc 9:11  I returned and saw under the sun that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the mighty; nor even bread to the wise; nor even riches to the men of discernment; nor even favor to knowing men. For time and occurrence happen to them all.


The word translated "chance" is פּגע (pega‛) and only occurs two times in the OT.  Here's the second one:

KJV  1Ki 5:4  But now the LORD my God hath given me rest on every side, so that there is neither adversary nor evil occurrent.

LITV  1Ki 5:4  And now Jehovah my God has given me rest all around; there is no adversary nor evil happening.

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dave in Tenn on March 08, 2019, 03:52:09 AM
Is God to blame for the suffering of mankind?

On the LOF  front page, this is the question  in an email to Ray. I believe it
is a must read for this topic.

In Christ, Pamela

Here's the link.

http://bible-truths.com/email2.htm#suffer
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on March 08, 2019, 01:24:18 PM
Thank you Dave for posting the link.

In Christ Pamela
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on March 08, 2019, 01:50:18 PM
Yes, of course God is in total control, and nothing happens unless it's his will. What I take issue with is the reason given for those poor people who died in that tornado. Are we to believe that God killed those people over a land dispute in the Middle East?

They died and it is without question it was God's will, but nothing in scripture, as far as I can understand, supports they died because God was moved to wrath over that land. If that's the case, why didn't he bring his wrath upon the ones in power,  who are in opposition to his will over the land?
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Johnny70 on March 08, 2019, 02:33:24 PM
There are approximately 50 Million people die every year from various "circumstances". All of the times for their deaths have been pre-determined. Just about a week ago a very good friend of my wife's just died from a long illness. She was one for the kindest people that you could imagine. How can we fathom the deaths of all these people? It happens and if God did not want little babies to die even full term unborn ones or people of all ages in all sorts of circumstances then it would NEVER happen. But in these physically constructed bodies - it is a fact and reality. The resurrection to a spiritual existence is the only solution - and then we will get the real reasons why there is such a system as we have now. For those who believe in Adam and Eve with the idyllic environment in the garden - if these conditions had of continued, things like war, disease and even death might not exist today - it seems so. If that is part of the answer along with many more, God will provide this at some point in time. But because human and animal deaths alike are so common all this is certainly no surprise to God. And my personal speculations as to the why of all this, would fall miserably short for the real reasons this happens.

Johnny 
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on March 08, 2019, 05:30:35 PM
Another email answer from Ray on the web page about sinning.

We actually do commit the sins that we commit. Wether we could have done it otherwise
is immaterial in as much as committing the sin makes us sinners.
Think of sin as dirt. It matters not how we got dirty. God is going to give
EVERYONE A BATH LIKE IT OR NOT.
God is God and He will do as He pleases. And God pleases to put us through
an experience of sin and death before He glorifies us with all the powers of the
universe.

Gen.6:5 and 17,,, from the LOF ORIGIN OF ENDLESS PUNISHMENT

And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth and that
every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
And Behold, I even I do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy
all flesh, wherein is the breath of life from under heaven and everything
that is in the earth shall DIE( caps Rays)

Quote from Ray,,,,, “It apparently took a hundred years to build the ark and so for a hundred
years Noah warned the world that God would kill them for their gross sins.”

Well , everything looks pretty gross out there .


Ray” God is going to show us how good the good are by contrasting them
With how bad the bad are. We are being changed now from our sinful ways
as we learn to KNOW THAT I AM THE LORD,,,,,,,LOF XV1 part D 4

God has a plan and He let a few of His foolish children take a glance , let’s Glorify and Thank Our
Lord and Majesty on High as our salvation is nearer. Each moment is so precious.

Job 19:25
For I know that my Redeemer lives and at the last He will stand upon the earth.

Love In Christ, ❤️ Pamela
                             
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on March 08, 2019, 06:41:03 PM
What I see happening is many Christians are in favour of Jewish terrorism and denounce Palestinian terrorism, as if God has a moral double standard. All praise be to their military Messiah.

This is not in Jesus character, as he came in peace to save All nations, not with a physical sword, but with a spiritual one, that sword is the truth of God's word. He once admonished his deciples  for wanting to call down fire on the unbelievers, telling them they did not know of what spirit they were of.

Has God abolished the Law, I think not.

Joshua 1:8  (KJV)

8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
 

1 Timothy 1:8-11 (KJV)

8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.







Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Johnny70 on March 08, 2019, 07:49:37 PM
Pamela & Wanda,
All great comments - Solomon applied himself relentlessly to this task -  Ecclesiastes 1:13 Contemporary English Version (CEV) "With all my wisdom I tried to understand everything that happens here on earth. And God has made this so hard for us humans to do."

Johnny
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: John from Kentucky on March 09, 2019, 04:04:29 AM
God is responsible for all things.

But God does not Himself do evil.  It is offensive to Him.  That is why He created Satan.  Satan's purpose is to actually do the evil actions.

God does not kill people with tornados.  They are not acts of God.  God does not rape and kill children.  Satan does.

Several who are unlearned in the ways of God, when they learn God is responsible for all things, falsely conclude God does the evil acts.

Ray had to address this matter when some suggested God willed the rape and murder of little girls.  Not so.  God does not do the evil acts.  The little toady Satan does the actual evil deeds.

It is hard for newbies to understand this.  It takes study of the Scriptures and the Spirit of God to fully understand the Truth of this matter.  Some take some Scriptures and imply that God does the actual evil deeds.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Johnny70 on March 09, 2019, 02:11:40 PM
Hi John,
That is an interesting statement that God does not do the evil Himself - He just uses an evil tool like Satan who He created specifically to do His evil deeds. Satan is like a "HIT MAN" and that is fine - but I cannot understand how that makes God any less directly involved - Isaiah 45:7 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) "I form light, I create darkness; I make well-being, I create woe; I, Adonai, do all these things." Having said that God is not in love with evil but He deems it necessary for the our development -we are molded and treated as raw clay and He is The involved Master Potter IMHO. Did Satan do this -Genesis 6:5-7 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) (Maftir) "5 Adonai saw that the people on earth were very wicked, that all the imaginings of their hearts were always of evil only. 6 Adonai regretted that he had made humankind on the earth; it grieved his heart. 7 Adonai said, “I will wipe out humankind, whom I have created, from the whole earth; and not only human beings, but animals, creeping things and birds in the air; for I regret that I ever made them.” And again John who did this - Genesis 19:23-26 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) "23 By the time Lot had come to Tzo‘ar, the sun had risen over the land. 24 Then Adonai caused sulfur and fire to rain down upon S’dom and ‘Amora from Adonai out of the sky. 25 He overthrew those cities, the entire plain, all the inhabitants of the cities and everything growing in the ground. 26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a column of salt." No offence John just curious about how you reason these things out.
Johnny
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on March 09, 2019, 05:06:18 PM
God did not regret making humans. I heard Ray speak on this. God does not regret
anything. He’s Sovereign.
I am not qualifyied with the my limited knowledge of scripture but I do remember certain
things spoken of by Ray. Maybe someone can help me.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: John from Kentucky on March 09, 2019, 05:40:57 PM
Hi Johnny,

This is a difficult truth to fully understand.

How can God be responsible for every single thing that occurs, and I mean everything, but not Himself do the evil things.

As Ray said.  God is very smart.  He has a high I.Q.  God created a being who is pure evil, a crooked serpent, to do the evil actions that God Himself will just not do because evil things are not in His nature.

Evil is needed to educate His creation.  You cannot know good without knowing evil to contrast good against.

James 1:17 tells us that the good comes from God in whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.

Another Scripture tells us God cannot lie.  So how can you create a lie if you cannot Yourself lie?  You create a being whose core is a lie.  Jesus said Satan was the father of lies.  Jesus also said Satan was a murderer from his beginning.  So we know where all the murders come from.

Yeah, God has a high I.Q.

The Book of Job is probably the oldest book in the Bible.  From it we learn many fundamental Truths.  Satan is the one who actually does the evil actions.  Satan kills Job's ten children with a destructive wind (tornado) since Satan is the prince of the power of the air.  Satan takes away Job's wealth.  Satan takes Job's health.  But he leaves Job a nagging wife.

God does not do these evil things to Job.  Satan does.  But God sets limits and parameters around the evil that Satan can do.

Yes, the Book of Job teaches us certain basic truths about God and the function of Satan.

Also, the Spirit of God within us teaches fundamental Truths about God.  God does not and cannot rape and kill little girls.  God does not and cannot kill people and children with tornados.  God does not lie.  God is Good.

I find it offensive when others attribute evil deeds to God.  God does not need me, but I will always support and defend our Magnificent God and King.

These matters need to be thought about and studied, and ultimately confirmed in our hearts, our innermost being, by God's Spirit.

"Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit says the LORD GOD Almighty."
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on March 09, 2019, 05:44:23 PM
Gen 3:22  And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

One reason we are here is to learn about "good and evil."

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Johnny70 on March 09, 2019, 07:51:14 PM
Hi Pamela,
No God does not regret (making a mistake) creating mankind as He could see ahead that was man's future - a flood. God caused the circumstances that produced such an outcome and the future could not be otherwise. God is sovereign so that cannot be the case. I believe what was being suggested or ascribed here was a human emotion - that was ANTHROPOMORPHIC. This was to relate to a human emotion of regret. As in this example the REGRET in Genesis 6:7 is the same as the JEALOUSCY in Exodus 20:5. There are many such texts.  Take for example the fact that God is all powerful (Jer. 32:17,27 ), yet He rests (Gen. 2:2).  We see that God is in all places (Psalm 139:7-12), yet He asks Adam, "Where are you?" (Gen. 3:9).  We see that God knows all things (1 John 3:20).  Yet, we see that God says, "Now I know that you fear God..." (Gen.

Gen. 6:6-7, "And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart." Adonai said, “I will wipe out humankind, whom I have created, from the whole earth; and not only human beings, but animals, creeping things and birds in the air; for I REGRET that I ever made them.” 

Exodus 20:5, "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a JEALOUS God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me."

Johnny
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Johnny70 on March 09, 2019, 08:55:18 PM
Hi John,
Great to have this discussion. Before we can go on much further can you please explain the logic contained here of a Creator that is intelligent having an infinite magnitude of information available to Him and has - "created a being who is pure evil, a crooked serpent, to do the evil actions that God Himself will just not do because evil things are not in His nature." Where did the pure evil originate from that was NOT IN GOD's NATURE (to begin with I take it) that was implicit in the NATURE of Satan. What was the derivation for such pure evil? We know that God knows both good and evil Genesis 3:4-5 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) The serpent said to the woman, “It is not true that you will surely die; because God knows that on the day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” I am not saying that God is EVIL - God is ultimately INCREDIBLELY GOOD. But God must possess as The Creator all the information on evil as you say Satan is pure evil! This information must of had been utilized in Satan's creation by God to produce the being that Satan became - a liar and a murder as you say in the purest form.

And second to that who was it that flooded the world and rained down fire on Sodom & Gomorrah - was it God or Satan.

Johnny
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on March 09, 2019, 11:05:21 PM
WOW , Johnny70
I’m reading your posts and I can almost hear you speaking ,,,and I have heard you speak. Your words reflect how much you love to have DISCUSSIONS.Anthropomorphic, what the heck is that? I just don,t understand all your big
words, multiple questions,and large caps to make your point.

God is ultimately INCREDIBLY GOOD, how generous of you to bestow such an honour on our Lord .

JFK gave you an honest and sincere answer. It is a difficult truth to understand without
the spirit of God indwelling.

In Christ Pamela,


Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: John from Kentucky on March 10, 2019, 03:48:13 AM
Hi John,
Great to have this discussion. Before we can go on much further can you please explain the logic contained here of a Creator that is intelligent having an infinite magnitude of information available to Him and has - "created a being who is pure evil, a crooked serpent, to do the evil actions that God Himself will just not do because evil things are not in His nature." Where did the pure evil originate from that was NOT IN GOD's NATURE (to begin with I take it) that was implicit in the NATURE of Satan. What was the derivation for such pure evil? We know that God knows both good and evil Genesis 3:4-5 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) The serpent said to the woman, “It is not true that you will surely die; because God knows that on the day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” I am not saying that God is EVIL - God is ultimately INCREDIBLELY GOOD. But God must possess as The Creator all the information on evil as you say Satan is pure evil! This information must of had been utilized in Satan's creation by God to produce the being that Satan became - a liar and a murder as you say in the purest form.

And second to that who was it that flooded the world and rained down fire on Sodom & Gomorrah - was it God or Satan.

Johnny

Johnny,

I would never ask a question like what was God's logic behind the creation of a being like Satan.  I am just dust.  How can dust question the logic of God?  I am arrogant, but not that arrogant.  Sounds like one of those questions a 15 year old would ask. Like, can God create someone greater than Himself?  If He cannot, then He cannot do everything.  It is a misuse of the rules of language.

God tells us His thoughts are higher than our thoughts and His ways higher than ours.

Ray asked where does God's knowledge and wisdom comes from.  You should read and study his bible study on that subject.  You may learn something.

One of God's attributes is patience or longsuffering.  How did God obtain longsuffering?  He must have not always got something He wanted.  He had to wait for it.

There was not a world flood.  There was a flood over a portion of the land.  You err in assuming God did the flooding directly Himself and destroyed Sodom.  You do not know that.  You assume you know with a few Scriptures.  But you ignore what the Book of Job tells us about the mechanics of Satan's actions.

You must put all the Scriptures together in order to learn truth.  A little humility helps, which comes from God.  Hint.  Never put yourself in a position of judging the Judge of all.  Accept what God does and not think you can judge His logic.  You cannot advance in so doing.  Never put yourself in the position thinking God is evil.  He has a knowledge of good and evil, and He created it, but God is not evil.
John
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dave in Tenn on March 10, 2019, 06:34:15 AM
Johnny, read the link I posted above and you'll see, I think, that you are not "wrong".  Don't let any member of this forum try to spiritually one-up you.  We all understand less than we think we do.

From my chair, I simply don't fret over the division of labor between the Lord of all and His tools.  ALL things are OF and FOR Him.  Every "evil" (a morally neutral word) is intended by our Father for good (another morally neutral word?).  Ray taught that God does not rape and kill little girls.  JFK says that Satan does it.  I think rapists and murderers do it.  Ray taught, however, that God does evil.  He does not, however, SIN, commit wickedness, or any other equivalent thing. 

It is right that we pray  Deliver us from evil.  Because that is in the will and purpose and intention of God.  Faith looks forward to the answer to that prayer, and wisdom gets her answer even while evil persists.  When evil has served its good purpose, there will be no more sin, wickedness, etc.   
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Johnny70 on March 10, 2019, 01:00:06 PM
Hi John,
John says, "I would never ask a question like what was God's logic behind the creation of a being like Satan.  I am just dust.  How can dust question the logic of God?  I am arrogant, but not that arrogant.  Sounds like one of those questions a 15 year old would ask. Like, can God create someone greater than Himself?  If He cannot, then He cannot do everything.  It is a misuse of the rules of language."

You are right I would never question God's logic behind the creation of a being like Satan - that would be insane and grossly disrespectful of our Creator. But that was not the question! The question had to do with trying to graspe the ORIGIN of Satan's evil. I asked this question twice to be plain. Not to question anything thing to do with God's LOGIC. I was questioning any human logic, John and I was not trying to be offencive.

Johnny
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: John from Kentucky on March 10, 2019, 04:39:13 PM
Hi John,
John says, "I would never ask a question like what was God's logic behind the creation of a being like Satan.  I am just dust.  How can dust question the logic of God?  I am arrogant, but not that arrogant.  Sounds like one of those questions a 15 year old would ask. Like, can God create someone greater than Himself?  If He cannot, then He cannot do everything.  It is a misuse of the rules of language."

You are right I would never question God's logic behind the creation of a being like Satan - that would be insane and grossly disrespectful of our Creator. But that was not the question! The question had to do with trying to graspe the ORIGIN of Satan's evil. I asked this question twice to be plain. Not to question anything thing to do with God's LOGIC. I was questioning any human logic, John and I was not trying to be offencive.

Johnny

O.K. Johnny, I accept that you were not trying to be offensive.

If your question is the origin of Satan's evil, that is easy to answer.

God.  God is the source of every thing that is.  He is the Almighty God and Creator.  God created Satan.  God created evil.  All comes from God.
Also, God is the Savior and Healer of everyone.  Which includes Satan.  Satan will become a source of good.  No one can resist God.  Every knee will bow to Jesus.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on March 10, 2019, 05:23:21 PM
Job 26:13
By His Spirit He hath garnished the heavens, His hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

Ray,,, God garnished the heavens by His spirit because they are a thing of great glory,
beauty and splendor, but the crooked serpent,,God formed by His hand ,,,,at arms length
thus indicating it was something necessary but not of His heart and spirit.


John I don’t agree that the word jealous in Gen.6:7 is the same jealous in Exodus 20:5

My understanding of Exodus 20:5 is a commandment.

You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I , the Lord you God am a jealous God,
visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of those
who hate me.

Jealous,,,protective,defencive,vigilant,watchful,heedfull,mindful, careful,attentive, solicitous.


Gen,6:7...    The ESV says “ for I am sorry that I have made them.
                   The YLT says “ for I am repentive

The two scriptures Gen.6:7 and Exo.20.5 of jealous God being the same jealous just doesn’t fit for me.
If anyone sees differently please correct me.

In Christ Pamela
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on March 10, 2019, 05:59:03 PM
Johnny,

It was just a short while ago I was confused about God and evil, until Dave and others helped me understand the difference between evil and sin. Now I see God can and does do evil, if not there would be no chastising in our lives. I don't even want to think about a life without God's correction.

We can't put God into neat little compartments, limiting him to fit our idea of what he would or could not do. We know from scripture that he created evil as a necessary componet to his plan, and  without it his whole plan would fall apart. He possesses the knowledge of evil and it's at his disposal to use as he sees fit.

I believe, like in creation,  he was directly involved  with the  flood, Sodom and Gomorrah and many other events as well. I don't believe it is Satan that rapes children either. I see him more as the enticer ,  as he was in the Garden of Eden. 

Dave is right, we understand less than we think we do. God proves that to me everyday.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on March 10, 2019, 06:20:24 PM
Pamela - a different translation.

Genesis 6:6  (KJV)

6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Repent -

Pronounce: naw-kham'

Strong: H5162

Orig: a primitive root; properly, to sigh, i.e. breathe strongly; by implication, to be sorry, i.e. (in a favorable sense) to pity, console or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to avenge (oneself):--comfort (self), ease (one's self), repent(-er,-ing, self).


Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on March 10, 2019, 08:33:01 PM
Thanks all for the alternate translations of foreign words for a better understanding.

It's good to remember that even though God inspired the original, we are reading an English translation
that had its roots in "a committee" 400 years ago and that most of the members of that group were former Catholic priests with a culture of "religion" to protect.
Also that, as I understand it, God requires the indwelling of His spirit to give a full understanding.
Human intellect is not the measure of a competent Bible scholar.

Kindly offered, Indianabob
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Johnny70 on March 11, 2019, 04:39:34 PM
Hi Dave,

Thanks Dave for the LINK on Ray Smith's great work on EVIL. I believe everything he explains here. I read similar writings of Mr. Smith's back in 2006 when I was not a member of the forum. What Ray says here we should recognize how fortunate we are to have access to such knowledge and understanding. Ray is not the only one to teach and grasp this but of all the people who understands this, HE IS THE BEST at explaining it. Ray does the best job relating this to its sister subject FREEWILL and then to its being collectively responsible for and producing Universal Salvation. God's use of evil is a key supporting column in comprehending the very deep spiritual and unnaturalistic invironment that God operates in. God is supernatural - His thinking transcends man's. That is enough said you guys know this anyway. Thank you Dave, Bob and Wanda for your kind words. Then there is John and Pamela - God must have called in you two to make sure that I got things right - love you all it was a great experience. It has been a short but great run  - I am out of here on these thoughts and subjects!

Johnny     
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AwesomeSavior on April 10, 2019, 01:30:21 PM
Unless I am wrong, Winter Storm Wesley will be historic. I'll have to check the final numbers in a few days. Things are ramping up..
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on May 02, 2019, 03:25:18 PM
This is a significant prophecy in Hosea 9 that refers to the slaughter of the innocent. Does this  judgement also relate to abortion and infertility in the latter days?

11 As for Ephraim, their glory will fly away like a bird—no birth, no pregnancy, and no conception!

12 Though they bring up their children, yet I will bereave them until not a man is left. Yes, woe to them indeed when I depart from them!

13 Ephraim, as I have seen, is planted in a pleasant meadow like Tyre; but Ephraim will bring out his children for slaughter

 16 Ephraim is stricken, their root is dried up, they will bear no fruit. Even though they bear children, I will slay the precious ones of their womb.

 17 My God will cast them away because they have not listened to Him."
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Cypress on May 07, 2019, 10:23:07 PM
The crazy thing is my mom mentioned this date to me....
It's so crazy. My mom used to be an avid reader of Ray's, but now she has been sucked into the world of rapture and end time prophecies. It makes me sick. She's driving me crazy.

This just in fresh off the wire

The rapture is no later than May 14,2019 and they found Lots wife.😂😂😂
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Stacey on May 10, 2019, 09:05:49 AM
The rapture is happening May 14/2019??

Oh no it isn't, I will use Name it and Claim it to postpone the rapture. Don't want to miss my 35th anni by only a few days so........... ;D

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on May 10, 2019, 12:33:13 PM
Silly man, think of the thrilling stories you would be able to tell all the celebrants at your anniversary party.  ::)

In the Greek New Testament, the word harpazo is found a total of 17 times in 13 different verses. Each time harpazo is used this verb refers to a quick or sudden often violently physical “snatching away” or “catching away” of a person, a thing, or an idea. More important is the fact that in 5 of these 17 times harpazo is used in the New Testament harpazo ALWAYS refers to the literal physical (bodily) removal of a faithfully righteous human being from one place to another, or from one sphere of existence to another.
For example:

1. Philip is harpazo’d from the presence of the Ethiopian eunuch to a different location miles away (see Acts 8:39, AKJV)
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on June 14, 2019, 09:14:13 AM
Below is a video of David Icke. Please don’t think for one minute that I accept this man’s ultimate beliefs, but his observations concerning the direction of human society as we press forward toward the end of the age are quite perceptive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rver8vjc04U

Which ties in with this video:
Dan 12:4  But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Eph 6:12  For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the world's rulers, of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrNs0M77Pd4 

Mike
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Johnny70 on June 20, 2019, 12:12:46 PM
Mike,
Something to think about for those who still can. How the world we live in is being transformed by very sophisticated systems of Preemptive Programming leading to ultimate Perception Management and control over humans for the benefit of a very small percentile of mankind. I am not promoting any single source of research - but this is a real process that is evident by just opening your eyes and mind a very little bit. That was a good observation and I agree with it. We function very much like computers (we are electrolyte and plasma based beings) and can be programmed electrically - albeit very advanced.  The spiritual realm is aware of this, as you indicated!!
Johnny 
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on June 20, 2019, 08:00:30 PM
Mike,
Something to think about for those who still can. How the world we live in is being transformed by very sophisticated systems of Preemptive Programming leading to ultimate Perception Management and control over humans for the benefit of a very small percentile of mankind. I am not promoting any single source of research - but this is a real process that is evident by just opening your eyes and mind a very little bit. That was a good observation and I agree with it. We function very much like computers (we are electrolyte and plasma based beings) and can be programmed electrically - albeit very advanced.  The spiritual realm is aware of this, as you indicated!!
Johnny

And yet -

From eternity to eternity I am God. No one can snatch anyone out of my hand. No one can undo what I have done.” Isaiah 43:13 

There are  certainly  a few of us who can still think and even see, but  we put our faith in those powerful words, from the Creator himself. Nothing the world can do can undo what God has declared or separate us from his love.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on June 20, 2019, 10:18:47 PM
Isa 1:7  Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.

I saw a news article today about the UK getting ready to let in many more immigrants.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on June 20, 2019, 11:27:56 PM
Great point Wanda,
What ever happens or appears threatening, we who believe know that God is in control and can intervene when the time is right.

31Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. 34Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.



Mike,
Something to think about for those who still can. How the world we live in is being transformed by very sophisticated systems of Preemptive Programming leading to ultimate Perception Management and control over humans for the benefit of a very small percentile of mankind. I am not promoting any single source of research - but this is a real process that is evident by just opening your eyes and mind a very little bit. That was a good observation and I agree with it. We function very much like computers (we are electrolyte and plasma based beings) and can be programmed electrically - albeit very advanced.  The spiritual realm is aware of this, as you indicated!!
Johnny

And yet -

From eternity to eternity I am God. No one can snatch anyone out of my hand. No one can undo what I have done.” Isaiah 43:13 

There are  certainly  a few of us who can still think and even see, but  we put our faith in those powerful words, from the Creator himself. Nothing the world can do can undo what God has declared or separate us from his love.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on June 21, 2019, 08:17:43 AM
Isa 1:7  Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.

I saw a news article today about the UK getting ready to let in many more immigrants.


Yes, Dennis. I can't count the number of times this verse has crossed my mind... and lately, more and more.

Mike
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on June 21, 2019, 02:17:19 PM
Isa 1:7  Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.

I saw a news article today about the UK getting ready to let in many more immigrants.

The countries these people are fleeing from have been overtaken by strangers who devour their land, forcing them to flee. Cause and effect.  The countries they flee too are being overtaken by the sheer volume in numbers, which taxes their resources The reason this is happening is beyond sad. I can't begin to understand this kind of suffering.

This is not something that's going to slow down, and some of us might have to flee our countries too, considering we don't die first. 

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Rolihlahla on June 23, 2019, 08:31:44 AM
Hi,

I find that Artificial Intelligence is growing tremendously quick, the elite creating robots and programs that will TRY predict the future through studying patterns. Stop crimes before they happen, arrest someone before they commit a crime, rather interesting as to how all this will operate and whether He will come before any of this grows to that point.

Imagine being arrested on a probability of committing a crime, and not committing the actual crime.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Joel on June 24, 2019, 02:03:31 PM
Here's a couple more AI openers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDbzUM9TTvc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XdQugsDz8E        AI Worship

PSALMS 37:7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.


Joel
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Prune Soleiado on June 25, 2019, 05:51:27 PM
False idols adapt themselves with their generation, but still can't see or talk or eat or feel by themselves… Same principles, only technics have changed.
Deuteronomy 4:28
Daniel 5:23
Revelation 9:20
Carnal minds can only reproduce, God's Spirit produces
Amen Amen
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on June 26, 2019, 04:28:18 PM
False idols adapt themselves with their generation, but still can't see or talk or eat or feel by themselves… Same principles, only technics have changed.

Absolutely true, but now that it has started, I wonder how long it will be before some church unveils a "robot Jesus."

Mike
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: HoneyLamb56 on June 26, 2019, 10:55:53 PM
Wanda: 
Don't know how North America fits into prophecy; if everyone is fleeing from So. America, Europe; where would we flee to ????
Quote
"This is not something that's going to slow down, and some of us might have to flee our countries too, considering we don't die first."
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on June 27, 2019, 02:03:06 AM
Dear friends and guests,

As you know we don't do partisan politics.
However one simple question comes to mind concerning all the fleeing into Western nations.
Especially with the close relationship between the United States and Mexico and the nations of central America.
We trade daily and cross the border by the millions for commerce.
Why then cannot we provide assistance in place for those folks who desperately need help?
Why do they have to immigrate when their own nations have enough resources to help their own citizens?
Or perhaps at least let us temporarily help these folks right where they live now.
Build up rather than tear down...

After World War two the U.S. and Canada and others helped financially to rebuild Europe and Japan.
The conquered citizens mostly appreciated the help we provided and we were never repaid except by the good result that came of our generosity. All of those nations that suffered grew and benefited. Why cannot that work again?
Is there some other "spirit" at work in the world that was not active in the 1950's

Have to wonder
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: octoberose on June 27, 2019, 05:03:47 AM
Well, how about the spirit of lawlessness and corruption ?   There are places that I won’t name that you cannot even visit without having your tour guide or your hotel  being paid off in order to keep you safe .   By their own hand they have devolved into a third world nation.
   America is disintegrating right before our eyes in part because of lawlessness, immortality , drugs and devaluation of human life . We can barely take care of ourselves ( the streets of L.A. for example ) much less the refugees of the world .  And yes, it is hard not to see this as a precursor of the coming of Christ and a world where faith is not found .
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Prune Soleiado on June 27, 2019, 05:23:12 AM
Marshall’s plan wasn’t purely generous. After WW2, America’s economy was doing so great it produces too much. United States needed to export what it overproduced. But western Europe was totally bloodless, its economy was dead and it was in desperate need of reconstruction.
Marshall found a way to use America’s overproduction by proposing his plan, but it wasn’t free of charge. It demanded the countries, if they accept this plan, not to turn themselves to other countries help, especially Russia. First part of the cold war...
It lead Europe to a dependance on the United States, economically, which implied a political dependance so that nazism and above all communism wouldn’t take any power over Europe, an important market place for America by that time. Western Germany, in particular, became America’s display, for its frontiers was too close to Russia’s dominion.
South America’s countries suffered a rather opposite process. In order to prevent communism to expand in countries nearby the US, this last choose to weaken those countries by promoting political figures which accepted to be dependant on America’s economy, even if it forces the US to help dictators to take place. Castro rebelled against that, and Cuba paid a hard price for this.
The purpose is simple: America doesn’t want any strong country nearby its borders, for it would be a  threat, both economically and politically. So there’ll still be 2 years old immigrant children drowing in the Rio Grande, unless the US stop fearing for a power to keep that no longer exists anymore.
The Spirit wasn’t different in the 50’s, it’s just that the world’s configuration was different from now. But the spirit of evil stays the same. Pride. And selfishness. Lack of love. Then no worship for God our Father, only for the human heart.
Today good thinking mentality has invaded the world’s system, it’s a false idol in the heart.
Jesus is the only way, the only truth, the only life. There is no way for the carnal world to change without Jesus our Savior and Lord.
Again, flesh reproduces (again and again), only God’s Spirit produces.
Amen.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on June 27, 2019, 09:22:00 AM
Well, how about the spirit of lawlessness and corruption ?   There are places that I won’t name that you cannot even visit without having your tour guide or your hotel  being paid off in order to keep you safe .   By their own hand they have devolved into a third world nation.
   America is disintegrating right before our eyes in part because of lawlessness, immortality , drugs and devaluation of human life . We can barely take care of ourselves ( the streets of L.A. for example ) much less the refugees of the world .  And yes, it is hard not to see this as a precursor of the coming of Christ and a world where faith is not found .

Agree
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: octoberose on June 27, 2019, 11:06:50 AM
Prune, Mexico was a strong partner for a long time .  It had a good economy and it was a beautiful place to visit . They devolved into lawlessness and that is what you’re seeing now and why people want to leave and why people are killed when they stand up to them .
The US considers a hostile military as a threat , not an economy . We don’t wave a magic wand and make people bend to our will .  You think we’re some kind of Svengali and you give us way too much blame for the actions of the world .
  But we bear the burdens that we bear for wrong we have done . Every country does.  And since this thread is about end times and not politics -  how does a nation give an account to God for what it has done ?  Is this something that plays out in this life only ? I would think so , and God deals with us all individually at the resurrection.  At least that’s what I glean from scripture .
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on June 27, 2019, 11:23:21 AM
Rev 13:17  And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Could this be talking about the tariffs?
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on June 27, 2019, 11:52:36 AM
More on buying and selling:

"Libra is a new currency that is being proposed by Facebook. ... Libra has the potential to become successful because of the backing from the Libra Association, which is made up of large international corporations such as Facebook, Uber and Vodafone." Google

Some are saying Libra may prevent you from buying and selling based on things you've said on social media.

If you want, go here: https://youtu.be/d6GUxl4ZxDU (https://youtu.be/d6GUxl4ZxDU) and move to 11:50 where the discussion begins.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on June 27, 2019, 01:25:58 PM
Rev 13:17  And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Could this be talking about the tariffs?
I've been thinking there is something very significant about these tariffs. I think you're right Dennis. Last night on the news, there was talk of another country placing sanctions on the US. This could turn out to be a great tariff war.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on June 27, 2019, 01:42:13 PM
Wanda: 
Don't know how North America fits into prophecy; if everyone is fleeing from So. America, Europe; where would we flee to ????
Quote
"This is not something that's going to slow down, and some of us might have to flee our countries too, considering we don't die first."

Hi Diane,

We could look at this in two ways. We would pretty much be backed into a corner or we could rest in the faith and knowledge God will protect us. If God tells me to hide in a cave, I'm going to listen.☺

Isaiah 40:31 King James Version (KJV)
31 But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Prune Soleiado on June 27, 2019, 05:15:34 PM
Prune, Mexico was a strong partner for a long time .  It had a good economy and it was a beautiful place to visit . They devolved into lawlessness and that is what you’re seeing now and why people want to leave and why people are killed when they stand up to them .
The US considers a hostile military as a threat , not an economy . We don’t wave a magic wand and make people bend to our will .  You think we’re some kind of Svengali and you give us way too much blame for the actions of the world.

I only look at History, I can’t blame anyone about what happened since everything is submitted to God’s perfect will. 
Through History we can also see the way God leads us to end times, if we believe the scriptures of course.

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on June 27, 2019, 07:44:04 PM
Well, how about the spirit of lawlessness and corruption ?   There are places that I won’t name that you cannot even visit without having your tour guide or your hotel  being paid off in order to keep you safe .   By their own hand they have devolved into a third world nation.
   America is disintegrating right before our eyes in part because of lawlessness, immortality , drugs and devaluation of human life . We can barely take care of ourselves ( the streets of L.A. for example ) much less the refugees of the world .  And yes, it is hard not to see this as a precursor of the coming of Christ and a world where faith is not found .

We also have areas like Detroit and Chicago that are rampent with crime. People march in the streets with guns, with gangs usurping the law. It's common place  to see bodies in the streets in these areas, as if it's an acceptable part of war.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on June 27, 2019, 07:53:11 PM
I grew up in Detroit but it's coming back. Have a look: https://youtu.be/44Z4T_wRVmM (https://youtu.be/44Z4T_wRVmM)
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on June 27, 2019, 08:10:30 PM
I grew up in Detroit but it's coming back. Have a look: https://youtu.be/44Z4T_wRVmM (https://youtu.be/44Z4T_wRVmM)

WOW! What a difference, and I'm happy to see the turn around.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on June 27, 2019, 09:00:52 PM
Quote
The US considers a hostile military as a threat , not an economy . We don’t wave a magic wand and make people bend to our will .  You think we’re some kind of Svengali and you give us way too much blame for the actions of the world .

Actually the US considers anyone who doesn't play by their rules a threat. Military or no military. Do some research on how Venezuela ended up in such poverty, even though they are  rich in oil. Do the same with the US's past  involvement  with Iran, same situation different country.  Don't  deceive yourself. Our country is nothing but a ruthless.insatiable corporate beast.  Being a Christian nation they  have much to answer to God for.











Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: octoberose on June 28, 2019, 01:35:49 AM
Well then by all means, move someplace else .  I think I’ll stay here . Though the military is demonized in this group, I am a military daughter and wife and I’m afraid you and I see this very differently.
  My dad would want to know why he gave up a big chunk of his 20’s to leave his new bride and save the world .  My husband would like to know why he bothered freeing a country from an Iraqi takeover ( first gulf war) . Gosh such awful people . 
 
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Prune Soleiado on June 28, 2019, 12:08:58 PM
The military obeys orders coming from the government. Military people can’t be blamed either.
Just like the centurion in Matt 8:9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, 'Go,' and he goes; and that one, 'Come,' and he comes. I say to my servant, 'Do this,' and he does it."
Your dad and your husband are very honorable men, risking their lives for people to live a long and well filled life. Absolutely no doubt about it. My mother was in the Air Force.
But chiefs and kings and politicians in governments are responsible for the power God allow them, even if they don’t have any idea about it.
Now we know Our Heavenly Father placed them at the top of the world’s hierarchy for a great purpose, aren’t we?
They’ve been blinded and they don’t know what they do. That’s why Our Father already forgave them through Christ’s death and suffer at the cross. Later and sooner their eyes will be opened through Christ’s life. Gnashing of teeth and cries.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on June 28, 2019, 01:58:42 PM
Octoberose -

My son was in the second  Gulf war and I know his intentions were honorable as were many others who were there. All of this was God's will and I'm not picking sides or judging anyone involved.

Seeing you upset is a good example of why anything of a political nature is not allowed in our discussions. I truly regret my part in this.

Most of the time I try to carefully consider my words before speaking, unfortunately this wasn't one of them.

Thank you Michele for bringing God's word  into the discussion, as the voice of reason in an unreasonable  situation.

 


Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on June 28, 2019, 04:40:58 PM
More on buying and selling:

"Libra is a new currency that is being proposed by Facebook. ... Libra has the potential to become successful because of the backing from the Libra Association, which is made up of large international corporations such as Facebook, Uber and Vodafone." Google

Some are saying Libra may prevent you from buying and selling based on things you've said on social media.

If you want, go here: https://youtu.be/d6GUxl4ZxDU (https://youtu.be/d6GUxl4ZxDU) and move to 11:50 where the discussion begins.

Interesting, I like RT.  Not allowing those to trade based on their facebook comments, would pretty much impact the majority of it's  members. Which fits the prophesy.

Unlike bitcoin, I don't see this currency benifiting anyone but the wealthy..
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dave in Tenn on June 29, 2019, 12:32:37 AM
Didn't Ray explain the meaning of "buying and selling" in the LOF series?

And in 16 pages of a thread started to post Scripture about End-Time prophecies, has anybody posted the one scripture where Jesus tells His disciples what happens before the end comes?   
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: octoberose on June 29, 2019, 03:49:12 AM
Dave , you mean this ?

3 As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” 4 And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. 5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are but the beginning of the birth pains.

9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then many will fall away[a] and betray one another and hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: octoberose on June 29, 2019, 04:07:12 AM
  To address the comments above responding to me -  we all know we come from flawed countries with leaders who miss the mark.  I think long and hard about seeing the world through Christ’s eyes and not seeing it only as an American. I won’t know how far from His perspective I am until He opens my eyes - but I do try.
I’ve always liked the story of the centurion . Jesus treated him as an honorable man, even though he was in the service of the Roman Empire .
 No worries about anything said . You all had been conversing nicely until I got involved.
 Back to the subject at hand, I have to say Bitcoin bothers me.  It seems to me it’s not based on anything but blocks of information , smoke and mirrors , and could be used to sponsor anything from mischief to terror .
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on June 29, 2019, 01:43:58 PM
Hi October rose,

Agree with your assessment of bit coin.
Seems to me it is about the same as our government monetary system, but with a different authority in charge.
The so called "federal reserve" is very similar to any other "fiat" monetary system.
Instead of smoke and mirrors and bits of data, it is smoke and mirrors and bits of colored paper or "bank notes". Since we are not on a gold or silver standard any longer. Dollars  have value ONLY as long as other people will accept them in exchange for goods and services. So it is a confidence scheme that can change in short order, so that's why we should not put our confidence in money or in gold.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: octoberose on June 29, 2019, 03:28:07 PM
Yes, Indiana I agree.

The last part of the verse in Matthew above is
4 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come

What do you all think this is? Our gospel, the true good news of Jesus being the savior  of the world and everyone eventually coming  His Kingdom- is different from the gospel of the mainline churches and their free will and their forever hell.  Do you understand then that the gospel of Jesus as Savior will be preached throughout the world and then He'll come ?   Or just the knowledge of Jesus ?   And if it's the gospel we believe in, then bibletruths is doing its part, I would say.  Throughout the whole world means everyone hears, or that generally people in the world will know about Jesus ?   What would Ray say ?  :)
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on June 29, 2019, 03:49:28 PM
Octoberose -

The Gospel of the Kingdom was discussed on pages  6, 7 and 8
Of this thread.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on June 29, 2019, 05:53:21 PM
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And in 16 pages of a thread started to post Scripture about End-Time prophecies, has anybody posted the one scripture where Jesus tells His disciples what happens before the end comes?   

Yes Dave. It was posted on page 1.
 
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on June 30, 2019, 04:22:01 PM
Quote
Didn't Ray explain the meaning of "buying and selling" in the LOF series?

Rev 13:16-17

16 And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a MARK in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK, or the NAME of the wild beast, or the NUMBER OF HIS NAME.


Dave -

Ray did touch briefly on the subject of buying and selling, in his article, Who Is The Beast, but there was much more involved that he didn't cover.. we know we are the beast, but do we understand that our earthly enslavement under the beast nation makes everyone completely depended on them for the necessities of life.

We may no longer consider ourselves part of this earthly kingdom, but we are inslaved  by it none the less.  .   Yes, we should first concern ourselves with the spiritual aspects of these scriptures, but God is speaking of both the spiritual and physical, thus warning us of how money is the root of all evil, and then showing us just how that evil is manifested .

These tariffs prevent people from selling their goods, thus rendering them incapable of providing the most necessary things of life to their countries people. We only need to look at the impact tariffs have had on other countries in our time, to see the connection in prophecy.

There is even more to be understood about the marks. There is the spiritual and holy mark and also a physical, but that has not been manifested  in the physical at this point in time, therefore any thoughts would be purely  speculative.





Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Porter on June 30, 2019, 08:57:06 PM

Dave -

Ray did touch briefly on the subject in his article, Who Is The Beast, but there was much more involved that he didn't cover..

Actually, Ray covered who the beast is quite extensively all through out his papers and emails. He may not have always used the term "beast", but he made it quite clear from the Scripture how man loves to sin and give himself the glory for not only his accomplishments, but his failures as well. Truly, man thinks he is a god unto himself.

Ray once said something like, "i see 666 followed by 777 everywhere", and I have to agree as Scripture is all ONE. I see myself in the Scriptures and how I was such a beast. My only hope is Jesus to come save me.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on June 30, 2019, 09:40:43 PM
I had a hard time getting thru this. But all is of God. That said where does this fit into prophecy?

Recorded today: https://youtu.be/0t5Q8Eqxyi0 (https://youtu.be/0t5Q8Eqxyi0)
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on June 30, 2019, 09:54:55 PM
Thanks Porter, if you hadn't commented I wouldn't have seen my reply needed to be edited. I was saying Ray touched briefly on buying and selling, in his article, Who is the Beast.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on June 30, 2019, 10:21:39 PM
I had a hard time getting thru this. But all is of God. That said where does this fit into prophecy?

Recorded today: https://youtu.be/0t5Q8Eqxyi0 (https://youtu.be/0t5Q8Eqxyi0)

Isa 5:20  Woe to those saying for evil, good, and for good, evil, placing darkness for light and light for darkness, placing bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!"

Oh how I wish I were dreaming.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: octoberose on July 01, 2019, 02:03:49 AM
I went back to pages 6;7;8 . Wow that was November !  It’s a very good discussion.
 
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on July 01, 2019, 02:17:59 PM
Rev. 13:17

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK, or the NAME of the wild beast, or the NUMBER OF HIS NAME.

March 2007 The New York Times reported that China's state-run Zhuhai Zhenrong Trading, the biggest buyer of Iranian crude worldwide, began paying for its oil in euros late last year. ... December 2007 Iran stops accepting U.S. dollars for oil.

Iran switches from dollar to euro for official reporting currency.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1HP25W

The following link is to give more insight and not posted to encourage a political discussion. Doing so will be going against the rules of this forum.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/petrodollar-warfare-the-common-thread-linking-venezuela-and-iran/255123/


Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on July 01, 2019, 04:50:05 PM
Jude 1:8-13
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion,and speak evil of dignities.
But these speak evil of those things of which they know not, but what they know naturally,as
BRUTE BEASTS,in those things they corrupt themselves. Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying
of Core. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves
without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit,twice dead, plucked up by the roots! RAGING WAVES OF THE SEA. foaming out their own shame, wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. GK. (Eon)

From the LOF in Rays 📖 book.

Ray quote
“ Not a pretty picture of humanity. This is not just speaking of just a few evil men that crept into the congregation of Christ’s Church. This short book of Jude is speaking of two classes, two kinds
of people. Believers and non- believers, those saved and those destroyed.

Jude 5
I will therefore put you in remembrance, though he once knew this, how that the Lord having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believe not.

Notice it : those saved and those destroyed. These represent the entire race. These represent
 the entire world of humanity coming up in two resurrections. THE RESURRECTION OF THE JUST AND THE UNJUST.. CLEARLY THE RAGING WAVES OF THE SEA, represent the BRUTE BEASTS
that have corrupted themselves, foaming out their shame” Jude tells us. What is this but
Daniels prophecy of all such filthy dreamers coming into eonian shame and judgement.

Dan.12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting (eonian)
life, and some to shame and everlasting (eonian) contempt.

These brute beasts , these raging waves of the sea, MUST BE TAMED,until they become a beautiful
crystal sea of glass.

Mark 4: 39-40
And He ( Jesus) arose and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea. “PEACE, BE STILL” and the wind ceased AND THERE WAS A GREAT CALM , and He said unto them” Why are he so fearful.
How is it that ye have no faith?

Mankind at his worst is likened in scripture to a beast.
ECC.3:18
I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them
and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
Isaiah 57:20
But the wicked are like the troubled sea,when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire
and dirt.

ECC 1:13– Concordant
,,, and experience of evil hath God given man to humble him thereby.

Pride 81467 ( Strong)
geveh
gay-vaw
Chaldee) corresponding to H1446  —Pride
H1465— exaltation,( figuratively) arrogance, lifting up,pride.

We are all arrogant beasts until God purges everyone of us of our sins with Gehenna fire.

Luke 17:28
Likewise just as it was in the days of Lot, they were eating and drinking, buying and selling,
planting and building.
2Peter: 2-7
And if He rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked,,,,,,,,

The beast is fast rising up out of the sea.
Proverbs.8:13
The fear of the Lord is to hate evil. Pride and arrogance and the evil way and the
perverted mouth I hate.
Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

May the Lord God almighty inspire us to keep the unity of the spirit .
In Christ Pamela❤️
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on July 01, 2019, 06:05:57 PM
Jude 1:8-13
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Jude 1:8 from Concordant version:

Howbeit, these dreamers also, likewise are indeed defiling the flesh, yet are repudiating lordship and calumniating glories."

Just an observation and may not be anything to it:

Dreamers:
The DREAM Act is an American legislative proposal for a process for granting residency status to qualifying foreign immigrants who entered the United States as minors. It would first grant conditional residency and, upon meeting further qualifications, permanent residency. Wikipedia
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on July 01, 2019, 10:03:14 PM
I went back to pages 6;7;8 . Wow that was November !  It’s a very good discussion.
 

Hard to believe it was that long ago. I thought it was a good discussion too.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on July 02, 2019, 08:39:03 AM
I had a hard time getting thru this. But all is of God. That said where does this fit into prophecy?

Recorded today: https://youtu.be/0t5Q8Eqxyi0 (https://youtu.be/0t5Q8Eqxyi0)

2Pe 3:3  First, knowing this, that there will come in the last days scoffers walking according to their own lusts 

Interesting to note that this is no longer known as the city of "little cable cars climbing halfway to the stars", but instead the city of 'poop maps' with a poop patrol that gets paid big bucks to clean up human feces left on the streets by the homeless. Not to mention the discarded needles. Also, last year, a Chicago-based medical association canceled their yearly San Francisco convention due to safety issues.

Mike
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on July 02, 2019, 10:18:24 AM
Rev. 13:17

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK, or the NAME of the wild beast, or the NUMBER OF HIS NAME.

March 2007 The New York Times reported that China's state-run Zhuhai Zhenrong Trading, the biggest buyer of Iranian crude worldwide, began paying for its oil in euros late last year. ... December 2007 Iran stops accepting U.S. dollars for oil.

Iran switches from dollar to euro for official reporting currency.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1HP25W

The following link is to give more insight and not posted to encourage a political discussion. Doing so will be going against the rules of this forum.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/petrodollar-warfare-the-common-thread-linking-venezuela-and-iran/255123/

Good article Wanda.

I've followed Mike Maloney for years. He has no political agenda. He just observes IMO. A good YouTube video:

https://goldsilver.com/blog/untold-story-behind-usas-biggest-secret-deal-the-petrodollar/?utm_campaign=20190702PetrodollarMikeVideo&utm_content=touchpoint_1_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=zaius (https://goldsilver.com/blog/untold-story-behind-usas-biggest-secret-deal-the-petrodollar/?utm_campaign=20190702PetrodollarMikeVideo&utm_content=touchpoint_1_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=zaius)

Some think the reason for the Iraq war was Saddam Hussein was no longer going to use the US dollar to sell oil. Same for Murdar Quadafie and Iran. China, Venezuela, and Russia have also moved away from the petrodollar.

From Ray's Tower's paper:

As we speak (December, 2006), China holds ONE TRILLION American dollars. Hours ago Iran announced that the Iranian Central Bank is converting the state's foreign dollar assets into Euros, and it will be using the Euro for foreign transactions (what are the consequences for America if oil becomes pegged worldwide to the Euro? Russia is also talking about disconnecting oil sales from the US dollar).

Some countries are buying gold as fast as they can.

Oil no longer pegged to the US dollar is the beginning of the end IMO.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on July 02, 2019, 02:13:37 PM
Hmmm,

since the U.S. is presently an oil exporter (?) the price of oil in Euros, may not be as serious a burden as it could be for Europe. Yes it could lead to the U.S. becoming isolationist and affect other trade conditions, but if we are going to have to suffer some degree of pain, then it may be delayed somewhat as the prophesies play out and lead to the U. S. not supporting Israel as we presently are. That could be bad for Israel and lead to them being overrun by other states in the region.
= =
I am recalling the lead up to WW2 when the U.S. refused to declare war and help Britain for 3 or 4 years until motivated by FDR and finally by Pearl Harbor 12-7-1941.
= =
Also note that  Brexit or Britain leaving the EU may be some type of temporary protection for that little island especially if they continue to support the U.S. dollar and the Pound for oil. (??)

Just speculation of course. Bob
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: octoberose on July 03, 2019, 03:21:57 AM
I have never fully understood the role of Israel in the end times . Oh, I’ve read a lot about it , but from contrary views . The elect are the chosen of God now - so how does that affect God s promises to the Jewish people ?
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Heidi on July 03, 2019, 06:49:29 AM
Matthew 24:14  (KJV)

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Jesus, makes it clear this was a gospel of the kingdom that would be preached for a witness unto all nations.

“He went journeying from city to city and from village to village, preaching . . . the good news of the kingdom of God.”​—LUKE 8:1.

Ray said,  "Most people have not heard the gospel".

I didn't post the scripture myself because I was not clear on my own understanding, but felt the gospel might be for the elect. I'm still working it out.

Wanda, I have often thought that the gospel is only for the elect because hearing we understand and seeing we perceive through Gods spirit.....the few and the many principle. 

But what if this gospel being preached is about us and not just for us. 

As Christ is so are we in the world and in eager expectation is the creature waiting for the sons of God to be revealed.   

So part of this gospel which Christ preached every Sunday was to introduce us.  I'm completely humbled by that thought.  Christ is the seed, when you plant a seed it brings forth many seeds once its ready for harvest.   

We are the developing seeds (the fulfillment, the good news) of Christ seed and He had to die for us so that we can grow and then one day we will be many more seeds. 

It's almost as if Christ is replicating himself in us.  We will then, with Christ, be the saviours of the world.  Christ being the first fruit.  There is to me such a beautiful simplicity in Gods design.

I would be interested in anyones thoughts on this.

Heidi
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on July 03, 2019, 09:44:15 AM
Hmmm,

since the U.S. is presently an oil exporter (?) the price of oil in Euros, may not be as serious a burden as it could be for Europe. Yes it could lead to the U.S. becoming isolationist and affect other trade conditions, but if we are going to have to suffer some degree of pain, then it may be delayed somewhat as the prophesies play out and lead to the U. S. not supporting Israel as we presently are. That could be bad for Israel and lead to them being overrun by other states in the region.
= =
I am recalling the lead up to WW2 when the U.S. refused to declare war and help Britain for 3 or 4 years until motivated by FDR and finally by Pearl Harbor 12-7-1941.
= =
Also note that  Brexit or Britain leaving the EU may be some type of temporary protection for that little island especially if they continue to support the U.S. dollar and the Pound for oil. (??)

Just speculation of course. Bob

It has nothing to do with oil itself but with the dollar no longer being trusted as the world's currency. The US takes in about $3.5 trillion each year and is currently about $22 trillion in debt. We spend about half-a-trillion each year just servicing that debt (about 15% of the $3.5 trillion income).

We have kept the FED 15 year interest rate under 2.5% for years with artificial means. If the interest rate gets to and maintains 3.5% we will be spending a great deal more on interest but not able to pay it. Then the world will abandon the US dollar.

You will see 15 year interest rates approach 0% before it gets away from the Federal Reserve (which is private and not run by the government) and skyrockets, IMO.

Rev 18:9  And the kings of the earth, who commit prostitution and indulge with her, will be lamenting and grieving over her whenever they may be observing the smoke of her conflagration,

Rev 18:10  standing afar off because of the fear of her torment, saying, 'Woe! Woe! that great city! Babylon, the strong city! for in one hour your judging came.'"

Rev 18:11  And the merchants of the earth are lamenting and mourning over her, for no one is buying their cargo any longer:"
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on July 03, 2019, 10:22:42 AM
Let me add that Deutsche Bank is one of the few world banks and is in serious trouble IMO. They are not just a German bank. They service the world.

"Deutsche Bank considering up to 20,000 job cuts"  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-deutsche-bank-layoffs/deutsche-bank-considering-up-to-20000-job-cuts-wsj-reports-idUSKCN1TT240 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-deutsche-bank-layoffs/deutsche-bank-considering-up-to-20000-job-cuts-wsj-reports-idUSKCN1TT240)

Deutsche Bank has been manipulating the price of gold for many years. Soon they will no longer be able to do this. "Deutsche Bank Admits It Rigged Gold Prices, Agrees To Expose Other Manipulators" http://heartlandpreciousmetals.com/deutsche-bank-admits-it-rigged-gold-prices-agrees-to-expose-other-manipulators/ (http://heartlandpreciousmetals.com/deutsche-bank-admits-it-rigged-gold-prices-agrees-to-expose-other-manipulators/)

Derivatives are mostly to blame for the bank bailouts in 2008 and derivatives will be the death of Deutsche Bank IMO. "Understanding Deutsche Bank’s $47 Trillion Derivatives Book" https://www.wsj.com/articles/does-deutsche-bank-have-a-47-trillion-derivatives-problem-1475689629 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/does-deutsche-bank-have-a-47-trillion-derivatives-problem-1475689629)

I'm bringing this up because Deutsche Bank could be one of many potential triggers that starts what's written in Revelation 18.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on July 03, 2019, 11:56:13 AM
2Co.4:6
For God, who said,” let light shine out of darkness, has shone in our hearts to
give the light of the knowledge of the Glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Deu.7:6
For you are a holy people to the Lord your God, the Lord your God has chosen you
to be a people for His own possessions out of all the people’s who are on the face of the earth.

1Ch. 16:13
O seed of Israel his servent,children of Jacob, His chosen ones.

2Co.5:14,,,,,,,,,,,,for the love of Christ controls us.5:7,,,for we walk by faith not by sight.

I agree with you Heidi. The Elect walk in the Spirit of Jesus . They are a New Creation
The Ministry of Reconciliation. Fire from heaven.(heavens)

God Bless the Chosen sons and daughters of God. They are His achievement, His glory.
Ministers of the New Covenant.

Rom.8. Ray said” Read it often” Also 1 Thes.4:13-18

Thanks be to Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.Amen

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on July 03, 2019, 05:13:21 PM
Quote
Some countries are buying gold as fast as they can.

I saw last week that China recently made a big purchase.

Quote
Oil no longer pegged to the US dollar is the beginning of the end IMO.

I agree.

I've been following him for a while myself, and what Ray pointed out in the Towers paper is what inspired me to keep a closer watch.

Great video too, hard to turn a blind eye to such extroidinary real time events.

As Mike made mention of once being able to keep up with the changes, he could no longer do so,  because they were happening to fast. I've been seeing the fast pace of change in other areas as well.

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on July 03, 2019, 08:02:57 PM
Quote
Wanda, I have often thought that the gospel is only for the elect because hearing we understand and seeing we perceive through Gods spirit.....the few and the many principle

Good point and I agree.. 

Quote
But what if this gospel being preached is about us and not just for us. 

As Christ is so are we in the world and in eager expectation is the creature waiting for the sons of God to be revealed.   

So part of this gospel which Christ preached every Sunday was to introduce us.  I'm completely humbled by that thought.  Christ is the seed, when you plant a seed it brings forth many seeds once its ready for harvest.   

Heidi, except if we consider the ones in the churches today believe they are the chosen, they are the body of Christ.  They have no true knowledge of God's word, therefore they are waiting for the manifestation of themselves as sons and daughters to be revealed. Most believe that will happen when they are raptured.

I've given this a lot of thought since our earlier discussion., and. between what Ray covered in his teaching,' What is the Kingdom of God,"  as well has many accounts in the gospels, it's become clear to me, this good news of  the Kingdom was for the calling of the chosen, with the greater work of the salvation of all being done in the ages to come.

 what made the biggest impression to my understanding, was from Pauls words in 1 Corinthians.

1 Corinthians 1:21-31 ESV

21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.
22  For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom,
23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles
24, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
25  For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26  For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth
27. But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong;
28 God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are,
29 so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.
30 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
31 so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”



Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on July 04, 2019, 12:26:20 AM
Heidi -

After posting, I've been thinking I might have misunderstood what you meant about Jesus introducing us. If so, could you please correct me.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Heidi on July 04, 2019, 01:24:42 AM
Jesus came preaching not just the gospel, which he said has now been fulfilled this very day.
Luke 4:21 Then he began to speak to them. “The Scripture you’ve just heard has been fulfilled this very day."

Second to that, He preached the gospel OF THE KINGDOM of God.  IMO that means us.  He came to reveal the mystery of His kingdom, His inheritance, His bride....us, the chosen. 

He is indirectly saying, wait, there is more!  I've revealed Myself and now I'm showing you a little secret, there is more to the story.   He is our Saviour but through Him (the seed) there is going to be saviours (plural).  We do not yet know  how we will appear but we know that we will be like Him.

I don't think He came to reveal the physical church, but His spiritual church.  Today the worldwide church believe its them, but we who are in Him know that it is us. 

The bible is an enigma, as Ray says, a cartoon has two levels, one for kids and one for adults.

So to some up my thoughts, the gospel is about us and for us.  It is how He teaches us and shows us if He gives you spiritual understanding.

It's not a haughty approach, in fact, it is humbling to the extent of disbelief.   But I do belief and thank God.

Heidi
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Heidi on July 04, 2019, 01:39:53 AM
Musterdseed posted a thread and it is in keeping with what I am trying to say.   We are a peculiar/special people a royal priesthood.

"Ray,,, “ not of this cosmos, not in this system, not in this particular society,
or His servants would fight and He would take over.”
“This Kingdom is going to what? Bless all the nations. This is a big Kingdom
and it’s a Spiritual Kingdom, because the more we do away with the flesh, the
more spiritual we get. The more we die to the flesh, the more we grow to the spirit.
So it’s not as negative as it seems when you get old and decrepit like me. The flesh is dying
but hopefully the Spirit is growing. Where as I used to be dead in my Spirit and soar in my flesh,
now I’m almost dead in my flesh and soaring in my Spirit. That’s good.Thats the way it should be.
Do you see that in your life? “

Thank you L Ray Smith, looking forward to meeting you.❤️ end of quote "


Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AwesomeSavior on July 04, 2019, 07:15:40 AM
Dennis:

I've followed Mike Maloney for years, along with Peter Schiff, Lynette Zang (ITM Trading) and others on YouTube. I appreciate their insight!
God's money has been gold and silver for thousands of years. Unfortunately, our currency has been purely fiat ("Authorized Decree") since 1971, when Nixon took us off the remaining vestige of a gold standard. Every fiat currency is eventually revealed for its intrinsic value, which is zero.

On a completely different note, and in keeping with the theme of the end time prophecies thread, I'm going to share with everyone a video I received last night. I follow a few of these channels, but I am mainly interested in the F.A.A. weather cameras in Alaska. It's my belief that the boys at NASA have been working on several secret projects over the decades, and is one of the reasons for their top secret payload launches. This video may also indicate the mechanism whereby Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, and to me, is another indicator that we are living in the last days of this eon. The last 90 seconds of this 5 minute, 35 second video is the most revealing! Enjoy the ride:

https://youtu.be/TGzp1AL41_A

Dean
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Johnny70 on July 04, 2019, 03:52:57 PM
Dean,
Are we living in a Binary Star Solar System - you mentioned Nibiru.
Johnny
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dave in Tenn on July 04, 2019, 05:15:45 PM
What is the intrinsic value of gold?
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on July 04, 2019, 06:05:04 PM
What is the intrinsic value of gold?

Only the value people put on it for a time, but after that, even gold will be worthless.

Eze 7:19  They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the LORD: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Heidi on July 04, 2019, 07:13:00 PM
What is the intrinsic value of gold?

Eze 7:19  They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the LORD: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity.


We can always trust in your replies Dave, you have bookended it with your scripture  :)

I am grateful to God that physical gold and silver is of no value to me.....I'm interested in the spiritual gold and silver  ;)

Heidi
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dave in Tenn on July 04, 2019, 08:55:08 PM
So currency has almost no intrinsic value.  And gold has only slightly more.

Rev_3:18  I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Is The Lord counseling thee to buy better gold?  Is the gold He's selling/trading a heavier, shinier, purer mineral?  There is physical gold and there is spiritual gold.  Why must I believe that the Gold of the Revelation of Jesus Christ (the Spirit of Prophecy) is the former?  Is some of it "real" and some of it "spiritual"?  Isn't that a worthless question? 

1Co 3:11  For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1Co 3:12  Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 3:13  Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14  If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15  If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


One more question...will Mike Maloney be happy when/if there is a total global economic collapse?  How about a national or regional one?  Will any of you be happy?   
 
Speaking of filling "bowels/bellies"...1Co 6:13  Foods for the belly, and the belly for foods, but God will destroy (lit. "render entirely useless") both this and these...

We have what we have until we don't have it any more.  We don't have to wait till we "get to heaven" or for that Great day of the Lord in the future.  The day I die I will lose belly, food, gold, currency, and my soul.  Today, I am being crucified with Christ.  But I'm not dead yet, just as He wasn't until He was.



Hang in there, Heidi.




 

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on July 04, 2019, 11:13:13 PM
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One more question...will Mike Maloney be happy when/if there is a total global economic collapse?  How about a national or regional one?  Will any of you be happy?
   
Mat 24:42  Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Mat 24:43  But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Mike Maloney (and others) can see what's coming and are preparing for, at worst, a 'global economic collapse'.

Remember 2008? https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97801606 (https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97801606)

Ecc 1:9  The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Mat 11:15  He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dave in Tenn on July 05, 2019, 01:04:11 AM
From the Rapture paper.  I'd urge everybody to read it, long as it is.  It is much more than a refutation of an eschatological theory:

http://bible-truths.com/rapture.htm


 We have already shown in Scripture that the great tribulation ends at our Lord's advent, it does not begin. Nor is the tribulation ushered in, as a thief, three and one half years earlier or seven years earlier. It is our Lord's "coming" that is as a thief, not "tribulation." "Gloominess" and "darkness" during the time of the day of the Lord is not the main aspect of the figure of a thief or even a minor aspect of this figure of a thief. The Bible tells us plainly what the figure represents. It is representative of " when He comes" -- "His coming"! Nothing else.

"Darkness and gloom" is not being compared with "a thief in the night," at all. The world is in darkness and gloom, but the actual "coming" of our Lord is in no way analogous to "gloom and darkness." How can anyone even suggest that the Lord's coming as a thief is comparable to night, darkness, or gloom, when the Scriptures plainly tell us that,

"... even as the lightning is coming out from the east and is appearing as far as the west , thus shall be the PRESENCE of the Son of Mankind"
(Matt. 24:27).

Nothing is as bright as lightning--not even the sun. No one will know when our Lord comes, but when He appears, everyone on earth will know!

"... then all the tribes of the land shall grieve, and they shall see the Son of Mankind coming on the clouds of heaven with power and much GLORY"! (Mat. 24:30).

"Power," "Glory," and "LIGHTNING" have no fellowship with "darkness," "evil" and "gloom"!

Furthermore, the fact that Christ is coming "as" "a thief in the night" has absolutely nothing to do with either an actual thief or actual night time. And, likewise, it has nothing to do with negativism. This is figurative language. This is not to be taken literally. Let us be clear, that Jesus Christ is not coming as a thief, to steal! And He is not coming at night so that no one can see Him coming (the aspect of His coming as "lightning" should dispel any such idea).

If we would let the Scriptures speak to us and explain things to us, it would become abundantly clear that there is only one aspect of Christ's coming that is applicable to "a thief in the night." Actually, the phrase "in the night" is not even necessary to our understanding of this idiom. In fact, most Scripture references even drop the aspect of "in the night" and refer only to "a thief."

"Now that be knowing, for if the householder were aware in what watch the thief is combing, he would watch, and would not let his house be tunneled into" (Mat. 24:43). (Night is not mentioned).

"Now the day of the Lord will be arriving as a thief ..." (II Pet. 3:10). (Night is not mentioned).

"Now this you know, that if the householder were aware at what hour the thief is coming, he would watch ..." (Lk. 12:39). (Night is not mentioned).

"Now you brethren, are not in darkness, that the day may be overtaking you as a thief ..." (I Thes. 5:4). (Night is not mentioned).

"I shall be arriving on you as a thief ..." (Rev. 3:3). (Night is not mentioned).

"Lo! I am coming as a thief! Happy is he who is watching ..." (Rev. 16:15). (Night is not mentioned).

From all these Scriptures it is clear that "in the night" is not an important aspect of this idiom. It's just that most thieves do come at night, but it is not necessary that a thief come at night in order to be perfectly suited to the one aspect of Christ's coming that is likened to the coming of a thief, or surely six separate Scriptures would not have left "in the night" out of this idiom. Here is a major proof that coming as a thief has absolutely nothing to do with darkness or gloominess, or for sure, the phrase "in the night" would never be left out of this idiom.

We might ask whether it is even possible for someone coming from Heaven (assuming that heaven is above earth's atmosphere?) to this Earth, to do so "at night?" After all, when approaching the Earth from outer space, it is always daylight over half the earth!

In Jerusalem, however, our Lord's coming might be, "... at evening, or midnight, or cock crowing, or morning ..." (Mark 13:35).

I almost hesitate to comment on the argument that if the figure of a thief represents the unexpectedness of Christ's coming, then those watching would not be surprised when He came. But if that is so, then we conclude that those who are watching will not be surprised by His arrival, yet Matt. 24:43-44 suggests that even if they are ready, such an hour as you think not the Son of Man comes. (Emphasis mine).

Is the writer suggesting that this Scripture contradicts the idea that Christ's coming is as a thief? That if some should be "watching," then they will not be surprised when Christ comes? Such an idea is not logical or sound reasoning. Let me attempt to state this idea clearly. Can we agree on the fact that Jesus did not lie when He said: "Now, concerning that day and hour no one is aware, neither the messengers of the heavens, nor the Son; except the Father only" (Matt. 24:36)? Okay then, no one knows when Christ will return. So, even if one is watching, he still will not know when He will return! The very fact that someone would be "watching" is proof positive that he DOESN'T known when the return occurs.

Those "not watching" probably don't even believe Christ is going to return. They will be surprised when it happens. Those who "are watching" believe the Christ is going to return, but neither do they know when He will return. The figure of the thief represents the unexpectedness of His coming--nothing else. If one knows the exact hour that a guest is to arrive at his home, he doesn't need to sit by the window watching for days or weeks. If he knows the exact hour, he could, in fact, set his alarm clock and go to sleep. Here's another point from this figure of a thief. It's a minor point, but nevertheless, a point. Matt. 24 not only states that no one will know when our Lord will return, but it even further suggests that it will be at a time considered the most unlikely. Notice it: "... for in an hour which you are not supposing, the Son of Mankind is coming" (Verse 44).

Consider also, that if Christ wanted to give a figure of speech that represents the day of the Lord (rather than His actual "appearing"), then "as a thief" would be totally inappropriate.

The Day of the Lord represents: Vengeance, Wrath, Indignation, Fire, Gloominess, Darkness, Clouds and Murkiness, Mourning, Devastation, War, Pain, Suffering, and Death--wholesale DEATH. One might choose to represent such evil, A Monster, Satan, a Devil, A Wild Beast, or some such thing, but not a "thief.". Our Lord doesn't even suggest that it is "an armed robber or thief"--just " a thief." A "thief" is not in the least representative of the horrors of worldwide pain, suffering, fear, and slaughter. A "thief" is about as analogous to or representative of these unprecedented horrors and carnage of most of the human race as a teddy bear or a rubber ducky would be. And that's why God does use Monsters, Wild Beasts, demons, and Satan himself, as the personification of the greatest evils in history, not "a thief"!

If Christ's actual return and appearing in great glory is not a thing of darkness, gloominess, and negativism, how then does Christ return to this Earth "as a thief," or "as a thief in the night?" We don't need to use human reasoning or speculation, many Scriptures tell us exactly how His return is "as a thief." Christ returns to this Earth is as a thief in that no one will know when He will return. The time of His return, is unexpected. And that is the only way in which Christ comes as "a thief." Not one of these Scriptures (which fully and simply explain the figure of a thief), mentions one word about the "ominousness" of the dark and gloomy day as the reason for the figure of a thief. Here are the Scriptures:

"... if the householder were aware in what watch the thief is coming, he would watch ..." (Mat. 24:43). But he didn't know when and neither will anyone else know when He returns.

"Now, concerning that day and hour no one is aware, neither the messengers of the heavens, nor the Son ..." (Mat. 24:36).

"For even as the days of Noah, thus shall be the presence of the So of Mankind. "...for as they were in the days before the deluge ... and did not know till the deluge came ..." (Mat. 24:37-39).

"Be watching, then, for you are not aware on what day your Lord is Coming" (Matt. 24:42).

"... for in an hour which you are not supposing, the Son of Mankind is coming" (Mat. 24:24-44).

"... for you are not aware when the lord of the house is coming ..."
(Mk 13:35).

"Not yours is it to know times or eras ..." (Acts 1:7).

"I shall be arriving on you as a thief, and under no circumstances will you be knowing what hour I shall be arriving" (Rev. 3:3).

There we have eight separate Scriptural explanations as to why and how Christ returns as a thief, and not one of these Scriptures connects a thief with the ominousness of gloominess, darkness, and the like. Christ does not return as a thief because it is gloomy out. He does not return as a thief because He will come in the middle of the night. And He does not come as a thief because that He, Himself, is a thief. No, none of these. He comes as a thief, unexpectedly. That's it. We don't know when. All eight verses pinpoint the one aspect of unexpectedness!



I'm not arguing that bad things can't happen.  Of course they can.  I AM arguing that nobody can rightfully claim that any of them are "signs of the end" and the coming of the Lord. 

Perhaps it is something else entirely we should be "watching". 

The term  "Spirit of Prophecy" is found in:

Rev_19:10  And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

I'm well aware that "Prophecy" is a much sexier topic than "Spirit".  But whatever events occur, our ultimate salvation is not temporary/physical and confined to this life as grass.  Whether we live or die, we live or die unto Him.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Heidi on July 05, 2019, 02:06:18 AM
"Is, was and will be" comes to mind.....

Heidi
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on July 05, 2019, 02:40:57 PM
Dave,

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And in 16 pages of a thread started to post Scripture about End-Time prophecies, has anybody posted the one scripture where Jesus tells His disciples what happens before the end comes?   

This thread was started almost a year ago, if we, who have participated in this discussion were only concerned with end times this thread would have far more than the 18 pages it now has.. Interestingly enough, the one scripture in question was discussed more than any other, and with fruitful results for some of us I might add.

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Didn't Ray explain the meaning of "buying and selling" in the LOF series?

As I pointed out in another reply, Ray did not expound on this subject, perhaps because it had not been made clear to him at that time.
If Ray were alive today, he would have plenty to say on this subject, as reading his Towers article clearly shows. New light did not end with Ray's death as I'm sure you know.

Am I to understand those of us discussing this subject, are lacking in something that God requires from us as his sons and daughters?

I can only  Speak for myself, in that regard. I've been given something more precious, rare and  desirable than all the riches this world has to offer. The first being great peace, a peace that can Only be acquired through my Lord and saviour. Faith to believe without question, that he who laid down his life for All, will make good on his promise, no matter what. I've been given a place of refuge, with the strength to endure whatever I may yet have to face in my physical life.

 I walk with my Lord everyday, he's my rock, my comfort and my assurance in all things. I talk to him all the time about everything, even this discussion we've been having about end time prophesy. If I'm doing something he disapproves of I'm certain he'll make it known to me, as he always has. I feel God working in me all the time, and whatever he wills me to do is what I do.

I don't think Dennis was implying that Jesus was coming in destruction, as the scriptures he shared clearly show.
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Mat 24:42  Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

No mention of destruction there.

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Mat 24:43  But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

This was Jesus warning of the coming destruction of Jerusalem, not his second coming.

God is the one who gives knowledge and understanding, am I to believe he does that without purpose?

Are we to believe Jesus didn't also warn us of another type of destruction coming, even if it doesn't result in that type of physical destruction.that occurred then? I think not, as scripture makes those warnings very clear.

No matter if we are in end times or not, there will be an end to this age, as God's word assures us,  and there will be a generation to witness it.  I'm from the camp that believes we are seeing end time prophesy being fullfilled . Does that mean it's going to happen in my lifetime, or 200 years from now, that is irrelevant to our discussion, as we know things happen on God's clock and not ours. Does discussing this jeopardise Our relationship with God, not if we consider All is of God, including this discussion of end time prophesy.




Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on July 05, 2019, 05:02:51 PM
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One more question...will Mike Maloney be happy when/if there is a total global economic collapse?  How about a national or regional one?  Will any of you be happy?  

Speaking only for myself. Unlike the many who are in darkness now, I would be over the moon happy. I would lift up my head and rejoice in thanksgiving, to the praise and glory of our mighty God and redeemer, Jesus Christ. Witnessing  the fall of Babylon the great would be an event of epic proportions. Does my faith depend on it,  NEVER.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: zvezda on July 05, 2019, 05:12:27 PM

Perhaps it is something else entirely we should be "watching". 


Luke 21:34  But watch yourselves lest your hearts be weighed down with dissipation and drunkenness and cares of this life, and that day come upon you suddenly like a trap.

2John 8  Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward.

1Tim 4:16  Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.

Gal 6:1  Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.

Besides the Scripture, I guess we are also inspirited by Ray's tower paper, that's why we also keep watching the current events.

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: zvezda on July 05, 2019, 05:19:09 PM
nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom -

https://threatmap.fortiguard.com/
https://cybermap.kaspersky.com/

this one allows you to explore historical data sets -
http://www.digitalattackmap.com/

caution: Don't buy any devices or install any apps that are manufactured/developed by a company based in China. Your phone/device could be used for DDoS attacks without you knowing it.
e.g.: phones from huawei, xiaomi, oppo, vivo, oneplus and realme. Apps such as WeChat and TikTok

along with the deep web, dark net..... the internet is surely a place of lawlessness.

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AwesomeSavior on July 05, 2019, 08:11:46 PM
Johnny... I don't know about the binary star possibility, but I know that climate change is not primarily man made. I believe the main driver of it is from the numerous stellar cores that have entered our solar system, for which NASA and others are doing an excellent job with their various toys in hiding their reality. The propaganda is that humanity is to blame for climate change.   

On another note, in around 14 years we will be coming up to the 2000 year anniversary of the death, burial, resurrection, ascension, and Pentecost of the Lord Jesus Christ. I have asked others their opinion on the significance of this anniversary, so I will pose this question to everyone. Do you believe that this matters in any way to the Father and the Son, or no? Can we "know when it is near, even at the door"? (Matt 24:33 & Mark 13:29)

Dean
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dave in Tenn on July 06, 2019, 12:23:54 AM
Wanda, I suppose I am a little less convinced that "babylon the great" has fallen in us, from some (not all) of the responses in this thread.  And it seems that some have read nothing but the towers paper.

Specifically, Peter wrote:

 2Pe 1:19  And we are having the prophetic word more confirmed, which you, doing ideally, are heeding (as to a lamp appearing in a dingy place, till the day should be breaking and the morning star should be rising) in your hearts,
2Pe 1:20  knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture at all is becoming its own explanation."
 


Well, are "we knowing this?"  Really?

Further, if that verse refers only to the destruction of Jerusalem, why was it posted to try to prove that it's something we should be consumed with today?  I posted Ray's excerpt to emphasize that all that is being said in that verse is that His coming will be sudden.  Sudden and unexpectedly.  "Behold, I come SUDDENLY."  Even so, come Lord Jesus.



But we all think what we think.  Jesus is Lord and everything that plays out will be exposed by fire, both wisdom and foolishness.  I make no claim to either. 

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AwesomeSavior on July 06, 2019, 09:15:28 AM
In Matthew 24:2, Jesus tells His disciples that the temple will be thrown down. Here is verse 3: And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the "world"? (Greek: aion).

It's a two part question. They were wanting to know not only when the Temple would be destroyed, but also what would be the sign(s) of the end of this current eon. In verse 33, Jesus mentions whether we can know anything of the timing or not, which is verified by Mark 13:29.

Mark 13:4 and Luke 21:7 are very similar to Matthew 24:3, but without the Greek word "aion" mentioned in those verses. 

I know we can't know the specific day or hour, but at the same time, I feel we aren't left in the dark, either. That's my interpretation of it.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dave in Tenn on July 06, 2019, 02:20:29 PM
Mat 24:13  Yet he who endures to the consummation, he shall be saved." 

Endures what?  The destruction of Jerusalem?  If it's a two-part question and answer, Jesus certainly answered it oddly.  Maybe it was a two-part question.  The disciples even after His resurrection still didn't understand.  But I don't think it's a two-part answer even if the prophecy of the Temple preceded both question and answer.  And if it is a two-part answer, Jesus answered in reverse order. 

"Don't be deceived"--"wars and rumors of wars"--"not the end". " Earthquakes and famine--not the end".  These things must be, but the end is not yet--even if men tell you they are the end.  They are, if anything, signs of the beginning.  Every generation before and after that statement have endured these beginnings of labor-pains.

On the other hand, ...ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled.  That's a prophecy for the generations of this age, and many don't seem to be following the admonitions.  Don't be deceived.  See that you are not troubled.         

   
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on July 06, 2019, 03:44:38 PM
People in every generation believe they are living in the end times. Except now this can come true:

Mat 24:22  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Even a limited nuclear exchange between countries like India and Pakistan could be enough to kill every human being on the planet (Chernobyl radiation is still circulating the earth).
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on July 06, 2019, 09:39:25 PM
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Wanda, I suppose I am a little less convinced that "babylon the great" has fallen in us, from some (not all) of the responses in this thread.  And it seems that some have read nothing but the towers paper.

I've read all of Ray's papers  some more than others, as the spirit moves. As for Babylon the great falling in us,. I see it has begun to crumble within me, but I suspect it has a ways to go yet.  Maybe that's what we're seeing in the world right now, Babylon is beginning to crumble but has a way to go before it actually falls. We know God will reveal what he reveals, no matter what any of us may think.

I  sometimes wonder if there are others, not  here among us, that have overcome, and if so, perhaps God's work is complete or near completion in that regard. I rarely even consider being one of God's chosen myself, but if I am, no one will be more shocked than me.

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Specifically, Peter wrote:

 2Pe 1:19  And we are having the prophetic word more confirmed, which you, doing ideally, are heeding (as to a lamp appearing in a dingy place, till the day should be breaking and the morning star should be rising) in your hearts,
2Pe 1:20  knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture at all is becoming its own explanation."
 
Well, are "we knowing this?"  Really?

Perhaps not,. I'll give it carefull consideration.

I do know that reading God's word is not the same as hearing  it. It's not the word to any of us until, after “eating” it,  whereby the holy spirit turns it from flesh to spirit, from words on a page to revelation in the heart.



Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AwesomeSavior on July 07, 2019, 11:44:59 AM
I know you all are aware of what has happened in California within the last several days, with 2 major earthquakes striking within 48 hours of each other. When was the last time those set of circumstances happened? How fortunate for them that neither one of those quakes struck a major population center! Scripture has both the natural application, which the many can understand, and the spiritual application, which only God''s Elect can understand, and so here are the shortened version of those witnesses:

"...earthquakes in divers places..."  (Matthew 24:7 and Mark 13:8 and Luke 21:11)

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on July 07, 2019, 01:27:54 PM
There were two here in Canada off the coast of British Columbia also at the day.

Re. California quake , it was nice to here the fire chief or whoever that was ,say,
“ Only by the grace of God, there were no casualties.”

In Rays book he writes, quote, “God have mercy upon our stupid and foolish hearts for
ever believing that your OWN CREATION  could wreck and destroy your own creation.

NOW A FEW BIBLICAL EXAMPLES OF WHAT GOD CAUSES

EARTHQUAKES
FLOODS
PLAGUES AND DISEASE
POVERTY
FAMINE
AFFLICTIONS
THE SWORD
WAR
DESTRUCTION
PESTILENCE
HAIL
ICE, COLD, AND FROST
KILLING,SLAUGHTER,
CALAMITY
WIND
GRIEF
FIRE,
FOREST FIRES
WILD BEASTS
EVIL

AND RAY GIVES SCRIPTURE AND VERSE ON EACH ONE.

ANOTHER QUOTE AT THE END OF THIS LIST FROM RAY

“ DO YOU COMPREHEND WHAT YOU HAVE READ? DO YOU REALLY?  WELL IF YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT YET , LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR.THINGS DONT JUST HAPPEN ON THIS EARTH OR IN THE UNIVERSE;
RATHER GOD MAKES THEM HAPPEN.HE CAUSES THEM TO HAPPEN , HE BRINGS THEM ABOUT.

,,,,,,,,,according to the purpose of Him [God] Who works) Greek aiorist tense, past present and
future) ALL things after the council of His own will. EPH.1:11

I listened to the audio, End time prophecy part 2 , in keeping with the theme of this thread.
It answered many questions I had been pondering. Also I will give a plug for Rays book.
THE LAKE OF FIRE, It’s Awesome. Either I missed a lot from reading it online or there
are many new things added.

God Bless all of you
In Christ , Pamela


PS, didnt know how to stop the underline thingy , it was supposed to be only under the word
Makes. 🥴❤️
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on July 07, 2019, 02:49:14 PM


Good comment Dennis,

I have a question about that scripture that one member mentioned to me.

Does that scripture say or attempt to say that "only the elect will be saved"?
= =
Or rather does it say that for the elect's sake, "some or a part of humanity will be saved alive by Jesus coming to intervene"?
= =
I would appreciate some clarification on that point...
Will there be a residue of fleshly humans remaining on the planet to occupy it during Jesus' reign?

Indiana Bob



People in every generation believe they are living in the end times. Except now this can come true:

Mat 24:22  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Even a limited nuclear exchange between countries like India and Pakistan could be enough to kill every human being on the planet (Chernobyl radiation is still circulating the earth).

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on July 07, 2019, 02:54:50 PM
Mat 24:6  And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Mat 24:7  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

Two terms here interest me: Hearing and diverse places.

Just a few hundred years ago it took months for news to travel a few thousand miles and most of the news from diverse places was never heard.

But now we can hear about anything on the planet in a few seconds. This is directed to this age IMO.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on July 07, 2019, 03:07:26 PM

Good comment Dennis,

I have a question about that scripture that one member mentioned to me.

Does that scripture say or attempt to say that "only the elect will be saved"?
= =
Or rather does it say that for the elect's sake, "some or a part of humanity will be saved alive by Jesus coming to intervene"?
= =
I would appreciate some clarification on that point...
Will there be a residue of fleshly humans remaining on the planet to occupy it during Jesus' reign?

Indiana Bob

People in every generation believe they are living in the end times. Except now this can come true:

Mat 24:22  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Even a limited nuclear exchange between countries like India and Pakistan could be enough to kill every human being on the planet (Chernobyl radiation is still circulating the earth).


That scripture says 'flesh' and does not limit it to the elect. Besides, the elect will become judges and spirit beings, and have no need for the physical earth any more than Jesus needs a physical earth.

There are many scriptures that imply humanity will continue.

Isa 11:6  The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

Isa 11:7  And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

Isa 11:8  And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

Isa 11:9  They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on July 07, 2019, 08:38:47 PM
Thanks Dennis for adding that info.
Some seem to state on other web sites that all flesh will be destroyed or changed to spirit and only Satan will remain on earth as his prison while events progress in the heavenlies until a following eon.
Didn't see the logic in that understanding so I asked.
Much appreciated. Bob
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Porter on July 07, 2019, 11:53:28 PM
Mat 24:6  And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Mat 24:7  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

Two terms here interest me: Hearing and diverse places.

Just a few hundred years ago it took months for news to travel a few thousand miles and most of the news from diverse places was never heard.

But now we can hear about anything on the planet in a few seconds. This is directed to this age IMO.

Sincere question, how do we know those verses are not parables? I've always had trouble discerning the difference between the  literal and spiritual, hence the question.

Is it possible, those verses you posted are parables explaining the tribulation of God's Elect? Here's a few verses that got me thinking this may be the case.

2Co 10:3  For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
2Co 10:4  (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)

Jas 4:1  What is the source of the wars and the fights among you? Don't they come from the cravings that are at war within you?

1Pe 2:11  Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

Rev_11:7  And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev_12:7  And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev_12:17  And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

By the way, the word 'various' and or 'divers' from Matthew 24:7 is not in any of the literal translation of Scripture. Most of the time it's translated just as "place". Place is where we are.

The condition of the world has always been war, natural disasters and disease. Just because they didn't hear about them fast enough back then, does not mean anything imo. Then again, maybe I "spiritual-ize" away the Scripture needlessly.

If the people of the world start dying at a very fast rate, I think it will be due to something far more insidious and covert then nuclear war.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dave in Tenn on July 08, 2019, 02:53:55 AM
You shall hear...not the end.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on July 08, 2019, 09:30:23 AM
Porter, a parable is a story or as Ray says a 'near' story. These verses do not tell stories like those identified as parables in the scripters.


Mat 24:33  So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

So are all these things possible now? If not, what prophecies are not possible at this time?


Mat 24:34  Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

How long is a 'generation'? I'm not sure but it's been about 73 years since the first atomic bomb was dropped and about 60 years since we had the capacity to kill everyone on the planet if indeed that's what is being described here. But it could be 'pestilence'? Only relatively recently have we had the means to travel to every corner of the earth in a matter of hours spreading disease.


Mat 24:42  Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Jesus tells us to Watch!
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AwesomeSavior on July 08, 2019, 11:17:06 AM
Porter, if you think about the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man, is it not also signifying what the unsaved world will be experiencing in their future Lake of Fire judgment unto their salvation? It does, in its own special way, have a future literal application for the unsaved world when the saints judge them unto salvation in their Lake of Fire experience, in addition to what the saints are going through right now, as our carnality is burned up by God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

In Matthew 24:7, there are two separate Greek words for "divers" and "places". The Greek word for "divers" is kata, which according to Strongs can mean: diverse, throughout, more, and exceeding, amongst others. Thayer's Greek Lexicon defines it as "distributively, indicating a succession of things following one another: in reference to place, in every city (city by city, from city to city), with the plural."

The word "places" is the Greek word topos. Both Strong's and Thayer's define it as place, but Thayer's also says: of any place whatever: (in diverse places) i.e. the world over...

I can attest to the fact that God has been and continues to cause inward earthquakes in divers(e) places of my carnal thoughts, which are not easy to deal with, but are profitable for salvation.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on July 08, 2019, 12:03:45 PM
I just caught the end of a news story about young children having sex identity problems. Eight-year-olds are being taught in school that they may really be the opposite sex inside.

Rom 1:26  For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
 
Rom 1:27  And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

For the first time there are gay pride parades all over the world - Even in Isreal (which the 'church' strongly supports).

Isa 5:20  Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on July 08, 2019, 01:42:51 PM
Isaiah 19:11-14
The Lord has mingled A PERVERSE SPIRIT in the midst thereof; and they have
caused Egypt to ERR IN EVERY WORK THEREOF as A DRUNKEN MAN STAGGERING
IN HIS OWN VOMIT.

Jer.10:2,, Thus says the Lord,LEARN NOT THE WAY OF THE HEATHEN

Yes Dennis, I watched some of these parades from across the world on you tube yesterday
and children were marching in them also. I thought, surely this cannot continue into
another age can it? I mean how bad does it have to get before Jesus Comes. I remember
Ray saying that all hell will be breaking loose and the world would be in turmoil when Jesus
comes . Even so Come Lord Jesus.


In Christ , Pamela


Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AwesomeSavior on July 10, 2019, 01:23:24 PM
Looks like the gulf states will be in for a soaking from Tropical Storm/Hurricane Barry. This is an early start to the season.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on July 10, 2019, 01:37:52 PM
flooding and drought in the same season and nearby.
This is a sign of coming events, but we don't know how long it may last.
Bob

OROCUINA Honduras (Reuters) - A severe drought has ravaged crops in Central America and as many as 2.81 million people are struggling to feed themselves, the United Nations World Food Programme (WFP) said on Friday, though the region's coffee crop has been largely unscathed.

The drought, which is also affecting South America, has been particularly hard on the so-called "dry corridor" of Central America, which includes southern Guatemala, northern Honduras and western El Salvador.


"The drought has killed us. We lost all our corn and beans," said Olman Funez, a 22-year-old farmer who lives in Orocuina, a rural town in southern Honduras.

Funez earns $4.74 per diem as a day laborer, and says he and his wife are rationing what food they have.

Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega recently allowed 40,000 tonnes of red beans and 73,500 tonnes of white corn to be imported to help lower prices.

Guatemala declared a state of emergency after 256,000 families lost their crop.

"I am 60 years old, and this is the first time I have seen a crisis like this," said Jesus Samayoa, a farmer in Jutiapa, about 160 km (99 miles) from Guatemala City.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on July 10, 2019, 07:27:58 PM
Not to undermine the purpose of this thread, because much of it has been beneficial, but I thought this might also be of benefit, at least to ponder.

Jesus warned His disciples that when the Roman army arrived, those in Judea should flee to the mountains and "let him who is on the housetop not come down to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those with nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be." (Matt. 24:17-21).

Try as I have to apply this to a future time, it just does not fit. I think overlooking the coming destruction of Jerusalem and the sheer magnitude of the event, as well as it's great significance to God and the people he was forsaking, is a stumbling block in understanding.

From my own long held beliefs, in associating much of Matt 24 with the end of this age,  presented many scriptural conflicts. A turning point for me was reading War of the Jews by Flavius Josephus. Considering I've never been interested in pouring over any history books in my life, I'll take reading that body of work as being God inspired.

IMO the destruction of Jerusalem  was such a notable event that the disciples could only think of it happening in connection with the second coming of Christ. That destruction would be like the end of the world to these people, and rightfully so. Reading about it , I'm convinced it was by far the worst event regarding any war man has engaged in. An atomic bomb would be more merciful.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on July 11, 2019, 01:30:11 AM
A few additional thoughts, and I'll go back to my corner.

Josephus said, if those days had not been shortened there would not have been a Jew left alive, sound familiar?  Everytime I see Matt 24:22 posted  I wonder how can it apply to both the destruction of Jerusalem and end times. I can't find any scriptural duality.

Considering the deciples  didn't fully  comprehend Jesus impending death or his resurrection at this point in time, makes me question how much importance Jesus placed on explaining his second coming to them at that time. They would have been far more interested in the coming destruction of Jerusalem,  that  would occur in their generation. A generation that would be alive to see these things come to pass. Is this perhaps another sign, meant for the generation Jesus was speaking to at that time, but out of confusion we're applying it to a future generation? Just something to consider.

It's  only natural to identify with our specific time in history, just as the people of past generations would have done.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AwesomeSavior on July 11, 2019, 08:06:49 AM
Wanda, it would be nice if you are correct in the assumption that Matthew 24 was only limited to the destruction of Jerusalem, but I have my doubts.

Going back to the same verses, were there earthquakes in diverse places when the Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D.?

Had the gospel been preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations?

Did they see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory?

Were all the elect gathered from the four winds of heaven at the great sound of a trumpet?

Had many already come in his name saying He was the Christ, and had deceived many?

Are we assuming that the end of this eon is going to be a peaceful one rather than a tumultuous one?

For me, there are too many verses listed in that chapter that have a later literal fulfillment application, in addition to what has happened in 70 A.D.




Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on July 11, 2019, 09:05:07 AM
Not to undermine the purpose of this thread, because much of it has been beneficial, but I thought this might also be of benefit, at least to ponder.

Jesus warned His disciples that when the Roman army arrived, those in Judea should flee to the mountains and "let him who is on the housetop not come down to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those with nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be." (Matt. 24:17-21).

Try as I have to apply this to a future time, it just does not fit. I think overlooking the coming destruction of Jerusalem and the sheer magnitude of the event, as well as it's great significance to God and the people he was forsaking, is a stumbling block in understanding.

From my own long held beliefs, in associating much of Matt 24 with the end of this age,  presented many scriptural conflicts. A turning point for me was reading War of the Jews by Flavius Josephus. Considering I've never been interested in pouring over any history books in my life, I'll take reading that body of work as being God inspired.

IMO the destruction of Jerusalem  was such a notable event that the disciples could only think of it happening in connection with the second coming of Christ. That destruction would be like the end of the world to these people, and rightfully so. Reading about it , I'm convinced it was by far the worst event regarding any war man has engaged in. An atomic bomb would be more merciful.
A few additional thoughts, and I'll go back to my corner.

Josephus said, if those days had not been shortened there would not have been a Jew left alive, sound familiar?  Everytime I see Matt 24:22 posted  I wonder how can it apply to both the destruction of Jerusalem and end times. I can't find any scriptural duality.

Considering the deciples  didn't fully  comprehend Jesus impending death or his resurrection at this point in time, makes me question how much importance Jesus placed on explaining his second coming to them at that time. They would have been far more interested in the coming destruction of Jerusalem,  that  would occur in their generation. A generation that would be alive to see these things come to pass. Is this perhaps another sign, meant for the generation Jesus was speaking to at that time, but out of confusion we're applying it to a future generation? Just something to consider.

It's  only natural to identify with our specific time in history, just as the people of past generations would have done.


Wanda,

I think it is easy to overlook that in Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out and departed from the temple. And His disciples came to Him to show Him the buildings of the temple. 
Mat 24:2  And Jesus said to them, Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, There shall not be left here one stone on another that shall not be thrown down. 
  Jesus is predicting the destruction of the temple.

But in Mat 24:3  And as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? AND what shall be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the world?   They are asking Him three distinct questions--the destruction of the temple, the sign of His coming, and the end of the age-- to which, it appears to me, He gives overlapping answers.
I have a lot of thoughts on this subject which I don't think I am qualified to discuss at this time.

Mike

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on July 11, 2019, 01:28:57 PM
Just thinking out loud.

Rev 13:16  And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

So there are two methods to receive the mark.
 
Rev 13:17  And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Rev 13:18  Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

So, you have to have the mark (on your right hand or on your forehead), or the name of the beast, or the number of his name, to buy and sell. Any one of the three.

As I understand it a blockchain currency like Bitcoin uses cryptographic keys which are numbers.

Here Mike Maloney talks about Facebook and their Libra blockchain digital currency. Have a look if this interests you.

https://youtu.be/nkU8fdQv8E4 (https://youtu.be/nkU8fdQv8E4)

Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Stacey on July 11, 2019, 04:02:26 PM
Porter,

Its all a parable according to Ray in this email response,

Hi ray,

Thanks for the encouragement.. can you tell me what you mean when you say all of the scriptures are a parable?

Thanks,

Dave


Dear Dave:

Well, not really, not in less than a hour or so, but I'll give you a hint. God is the Creator. He made everything. He made everthing for a purpose. There is one grand goal that God has for the entire human race. The Christian Church has not a CLUE as to what that goal is or how it will be accomplish. The whole plan and purpose is outlined in the Scriptures. But just as NONE of the people who heard Jesus teach in parables, understood His parables, so the Whole Bible is one GIANT parable which the Church does not understand. In a nutshell:  God is creating the human race into HIS VERY OWN SPIRITUAL IMAGE.  Oh, I thought that already was accomplished back in the Garden, wasn't it?  I told you it's all one GIANT PARABLE!

God be with you,

Ray
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on July 11, 2019, 08:55:57 PM
Wanda, it would be nice if you are correct in the assumption that Matthew 24 was only limited to the destruction of Jerusalem, but I have my doubts.

Going back to the same verses, were there earthquakes in diverse places when the Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D.?

Had the gospel been preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations?

Did they see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory?

Were all the elect gathered from the four winds of heaven at the great sound of a trumpet?

Had many already come in his name saying He was the Christ, and had deceived many?

Are we assuming that the end of this eon is going to be a peaceful one rather than a tumultuous one?

For me, there are too many verses listed in that chapter that have a later literal fulfillment application, in addition to what has happened in 70 A.D.

IDean -

I'm going to post a reply to your questions in three parts, so as not to lay down one long wall of text. Keep in mind this is what I understand at this time, and I'm a work in progress.

Did they see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory?

Matt 24

30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.

Compare with -

Matthew 26:64

“Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.”

Can we physically, with our eyes see this?

Was Jesus speaking of his second coming  or his coming to take vengeance on the Jewish nation, after his return to power and glory?

The sign of the son of man coming on the clouds with power and glory would certainly be understood by the nation of Israel, as they had been forwarned. They understood this was a judgement upon them by God himself, and those that paid heed to the signs Jesus spoke of were spared.

Hereafter

here·af·ter

/hirˈaftər/

adverb

synonyms:from now on, after this, as of now, from this day on, from this time on, from this moment forth, from this day forth, from this day forward, subsequently, in future, in the future, hence, henceforth, henceforward;

Had the gospel been preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations?

Titus destroyed Jerusalem and the temple about two years after Pauls death.

Paul speaks of the gospel work in these scriptures.

Colossians 1:23  (KJV)

23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Colossians 1:6 (KJV)

6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

Were all the elect gathered from the four winds of heaven at the great sound of a trumpet?

Matt 24

31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Notice, this scripture does not say All

If the gospel had been preached in all the world,  as paul seems to be saying, then the elect  of that time were gathered  fom the four winds of heaven.  Does that mean the work would not continue,  I don't think so, else none of us would have been led to Ray, who preached the true gospel, the same one the apostles preached.  And yet there is something that makes the work of the apostles more significant in all of this, I haven't figured out why though.



Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on July 11, 2019, 09:01:19 PM
Had many already come in his name saying He was the Christ, and had deceived many?

Yes, Paul spoke of this often, always warning of these decevers.

Going back to the same verses, were there earthquakes in diverse places when the Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D.?

Did  these precede the destruction of Jerusalem, there is abundant historic evidence.

All these signs are mentioned by unbelieving writers such as Josephus, Tacitus, Suetonius, Philostratus, and Seneca, who speak of them because of their importance and not with any reference to the prophecy of Christ. I'm sure more could be found.

1. A great earthquake in Crete, A. D. 46 or 47.
 2. One at Rome when Nero assumed the manly toga, A. D. 51.
 3. One at Apamæa in Phrygia, mentioned by Tacitus, A. D. 53. 4. One at Laodicea in Phrygia, A. D. 60.
 5. One in Campania, A. D. 62 or 63. There were an indefinite number of famines referred to by Roman writers, and at least one pestilence during which thirty thousand perished in Rome alone.

Are we assuming that the end of this eon is going to be a peaceful one rather than a tumultuous one?

Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but that's what I see.

Matt 24

(15) Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel, the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), (16) then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Jesus was referencing Daniel 12:11. It seems obvious that "the abomination of desolation" is associated with the desolation of Jerusalem and especially the temple in 70 A.D.

It's my understanding the following versus are specific to the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple,

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

After getting past the signs that apply to the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, I'm reminded of the scriptures that say there's nothing new under the sun.

Ecclesiastes 1:9-10  (KJV)

9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

In Matt 24, What new signs could Jesus possibly give us that would distinguish the time of his coming from all others?  

Applying signs Jesus meant for a specific event, time and people to our day, is from my experiene, futile.








Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on July 11, 2019, 09:05:37 PM
We can't overlook what Jesus is telling us about world conditions prior to his coming , otherwise we'll be deceived, mostly by ourselves.

Matt 24

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

This could be describing our day.

Is Jesus coming in destruction?

Dave so kindly posted and suggested we read Ray's Rapture paper again,  for good reason.

Quote
From the Rapture paper.  I'd urge everybody to read it, long as it is.  It is much more than a refutation of an  theory:

https://bible-truths.com/rapture.htm

Except

 We have already shown in Scripture that the great tribulation ends at our Lord's advent, it does not begin. Nor is the tribulation ushered in, as a thief, three and one half years earlier or seven years earlier. It is our Lord's "coming" that is as a thief, not "tribulation." "Gloominess" and "darkness" during the time of the day of the Lord is not the main aspect of the figure of a thief or even a minor aspect of this figure of a thief. The Bible tells us plainly what the figure represents. It is representative of " when He comes" -- "His coming"! Nothing else.


Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Wanda on July 11, 2019, 09:20:47 PM
Dennis,

I was also thinking there is a lot of speculation about moving away from cash all together. I read recently there slowly doing away with atm machines. The purpose is to move everyone to cards for all buying activity.  If that's true, wouldn't a bank card have a chip and numbers?
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on July 11, 2019, 09:28:08 PM
Dennis,

I was also thinking there is a lot of speculation about moving away from cash all together. I read recently there slowly doing away with atm machines. The purpose is to move everyone to cards for all buying activity.  If that's true, wouldn't a bank card have a chip and numbers?

I've never had an ATM card, so don't know for sure.

I know China is mostly cashless. They use their smartphones to pay for everything. But not in the US, at least so far.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on July 11, 2019, 11:04:16 PM
I phone users can opt for an application to use their i-phone or i-watch to pay at the check out.
I suppose that it is more likely in larger cities than small towns, but it does work here in the U.S.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Musterseed on July 11, 2019, 11:14:59 PM
We just tap a debit machine with a card and your money just disappears into
the wild blue yonder, much like sending an e-mail. It even makes the same whoosh sound.🤣
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Stacey on July 12, 2019, 02:22:54 AM
I have a check card, debit card and a credit card. All of them have a chip and almost all the local stores here use card machines that utilize the chip process instead of the swipe process. I can also use Apple Pay to pay for purchases at stores that accept it, just tap my phone on the card machine and my purchase is completed.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on July 12, 2019, 08:13:39 AM
A minor pushback from the "City of Brotherly Love":

CBS NEWS
Philadelphia is first city to ban cashless stores and restaurants
By Megan Cerullo
Updated on: March 8, 2019 / 3:10 PM / MoneyWatch

Philadelphia has passed a law requiring most retail establishments to accept cash, making it the first U.S. city to ban a practice critics say is discriminatory.
Mayor Jim Kenney last week signed the law, passed by the city council in February, banning stores and restaurants from implementing cashless policies. It will take effect July 1, and business owners who don't comply will face fines of up to $2,000.
Cashless policies are gaining currency in a number of cities, with some business owners saying that handling cash is inefficient and invites theft. But opponents say cashless establishments exclude people who are "unbanked," or those lacking checking or savings accounts. In 2017, 8.4 million U.S. households were unbanked, according to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation.

Mike
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: AwesomeSavior on July 12, 2019, 01:52:47 PM
Going cashless is a way to track every transaction a person completes. Likewise, if interest rates were to go negative, as in other parts of the world, it's another way for banks to confiscate someone's "wealth" in a stealth manner. The satanic globalists would love a cashless society!
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on July 12, 2019, 05:29:29 PM
Yes, I've heard of that process.
You put your wealth in the bank for safe keeping and they charge you 6% a year for the service.

Banks in the former societies may have done that to compensate for the cost of paying protection.
Armed guards to keep the robbers out!
But now we give our earnings to the establishment robbers and maybe they let us keep part of it.
Bob  ::)
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: lareli on July 13, 2019, 01:46:46 AM
About 8% of the dollars in the world are physical cash. The rest is just numbers floating through the air from computer screen to computer screen.

It’s already a cashless society. The 8% is just to uphold the illusion that’s it’s not.. and for nostalgia. Imho.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on July 16, 2019, 09:09:42 AM
About 8% of the dollars in the world are physical cash. The rest is just numbers floating through the air from computer screen to computer screen.

It’s already a cashless society. The 8% is just to uphold the illusion that’s it’s not.. and for nostalgia. Imho.

Then, in theory, 92% of the world's money could be wiped out "overnight" by a single catastrophic event.

Mike
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: lareli on July 16, 2019, 11:56:27 AM
About 8% of the dollars in the world are physical cash. The rest is just numbers floating through the air from computer screen to computer screen.

It’s already a cashless society. The 8% is just to uphold the illusion that’s it’s not.. and for nostalgia. Imho.

Then, in theory, 92% of the world's money could be wiped out "overnight" by a single catastrophic event.

Mike

Right?

Hence the “illusion”.

Ones and zeroes invisibly floating through the air, giving people worth and value and power. Sounds like magic.. or sorcery.

We work our lives away and we kill and die for those imaginary ones and zeroes.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on July 16, 2019, 12:05:30 PM
There's a lot of paper gold too: https://youtu.be/zpJLARG-GEc (https://youtu.be/zpJLARG-GEc)
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: indianabob on July 16, 2019, 11:51:51 PM
Interesting story about gold derivatives and so forth, but over my head.
Question: is it presently legal for citizens to own and hold privately gold bullion or coins or either one?
If we have real gold buried in the back yard we have some semblance of protection from abject poverty.
Provided... we can actually spend it for food and shelter and that depends upon whether any one will accept it.
Provided also that the government doesn't find out and confiscate the metal...by court order.
Of course our U. S. government officials would never do that to a loyal citizen. Right?
 ::) ::)
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: Dennis Vogel on July 17, 2019, 09:19:01 AM
Interesting story about gold derivatives and so forth, but over my head.
Question: is it presently legal for citizens to own and hold privately gold bullion or coins or either one?
If we have real gold buried in the back yard we have some semblance of protection from abject poverty.
Provided... we can actually spend it for food and shelter and that depends upon whether any one will accept it.
Provided also that the government doesn't find out and confiscate the metal...by court order.
Of course our U. S. government officials would never do that to a loyal citizen. Right?
 ::) ::)

It is legal to own gold in any form in the US and the US government confiscating the gold is a real possibility. Those who think this is more than a possibility buy gold jewelry and coins which have historically not been confiscated.

The biggest reason to own physical gold or silver is to maintain the same purchasing power if there is serious inflation.
Title: Re: End Time Prophecies
Post by: ZekeSr on July 17, 2019, 02:20:38 PM
Interesting story about gold derivatives and so forth, but over my head.
Question: is it presently legal for citizens to own and hold privately gold bullion or coins or either one?
If we have real gold buried in the back yard we have some semblance of protection from abject poverty.
Provided... we can actually spend it for food and shelter and that depends upon whether any one will accept it.
Provided also that the government doesn't find out and confiscate the metal...by court order.
Of course our U. S. government officials would never do that to a loyal citizen. Right?
 ::) ::)

It is legal to own gold in any form in the US and the US government confiscating the gold is a real possibility. Those who think this is more than a possibility buy gold jewelry and coins which have historically not been confiscated.

The biggest reason to own physical gold or silver is to maintain the same purchasing power if there is serious inflation.

FDR made it illegal for private citizens to own more than $100 worth of gold in 1933. That lasted until Dec 31, 1974, after which the ban was lifted. There were exceptions like Dennis mentioned. But, yes it could happen again. One of the suggestions I have heard and read numerous times is to own what is called "junk silver"... circulated coins pre 1964 (dimes, quarters, and halves) as they are legal tender, almost pure silver and worth much more than their face value. There is not much chance for confiscation and would be handy for buying/bartering.
Also, like Dennis mentioned, the biggest reason to own precious metals is to maintain purchasing power if there is serious inflation.
Even so, it is only a stop-gap. As there will come a day when nothing of value will matter.

Mike