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Title: Pa$tor Adam
Post by: Robert on June 08, 2007, 05:33:59 AM
I have read a fair number of e-mails to Ray; but nothing has taken my breath away like this ‘pastor’ Adam (‘Tithing….read’). I think the clowns who put together the ‘Landover Baptist’ site understand the bible better than this fellow, but at least they know they're doing a parody.
Title: Re: Pa$tor Adam
Post by: sansmile on June 08, 2007, 06:01:15 AM
Hi Robert,

Yep , while reading the reply from Ray the hairs on the nape of my neck was standing up and my eyes filled with tears..........To see the spirit of truth in action through Ray was truly awesome.

Our God is a loving God and to those that refute His truth  they WILL feel His wrath. but in the meantime God uses the tongue (pen) of Ray to show HIS word as the mighty sword.

God Bless Sandie
Title: Re: Pa$tor Adam
Post by: hillsbororiver on June 08, 2007, 09:24:46 AM
Hi Robert & Sandie,

We have witnessed this type of "discussion" so many times, Mr. Adam could not answer Ray with scriptures or even address many of the points so when all else fails just attack, attack, attack with more accusations just to attempt to muddy the waters a bit, Mr. Adam will not fool those that have eyes to see or will he fool the Author of Truth.

An amazing thing to behold,

Title: Re: Pa$tor Adam
Post by: chuckt on June 08, 2007, 09:40:19 AM
hi all and good day in Christ!

tis funny indeed, i find most amusing is the "jesus talked more about money"

we see this type of thing all the time.

to the et'rs christ talked more about hell
to the prosperity teachers he talk more about money etc.
to the name it claim it group he talked more about word of faith.

and on and on it goes.

until God brings us to the point of reading  scripture from a NON predudice perspective of  belief systems
we see only what  WE want to see, thinking ourselves wise we become fools.

may our hearts burn as Christ opens the scripture's to us! and in all humility
thank him for his goodness.

Title: Re: Pa$tor Adam
Post by: Robert on June 08, 2007, 09:57:44 AM
Amen. You said it well!
Title: Re: Pa$tor Adam
Post by: bambam on June 08, 2007, 10:06:09 AM
I just about fell off my chair when I read  that Jesus talked more about money than anything else.  I thought, "Where'd he get that from?". :o ;D  I notice how much people parrot things in the emails they send Ray.  To me they are all starting to sound pretty similar-the negative ones I mean.  I am sad for them.  But it's all for a reason, right?

Title: Re: Pa$tor Adam
Post by: Kat on June 08, 2007, 10:19:53 AM

I think that these Pastor that run across Ray, think he is just somebody that doesn't know what he is talking about. 
Imagin their surprise when he comes back with the power of the spirit to refute their heresies  8) 
Don't think they have dealt with anyone like him before.  And I don't think they are use to having what they teach questioned.  They really mess up when they try to tell Ray about the scripture.
Like Ray said, "Put that in your hermetical pipe and smoke it."

mercy, peace, and love

Title: Re: Pa$tor Adam
Post by: mari_et_pere on June 08, 2007, 03:07:32 PM
I'm quite sure that some of these "pastors" aren't actually pastors at all. I mean c'mon....yes generally the church leaders are quite deceived, but how many church leaders have you met that thought Jesus talked about money more than anything else?

Some people argue just for the act of arguing. Also some people argue just for the act of making other people angry or upset.

Title: Re: Pa$tor Adam
Post by: Deborah-Leigh on June 08, 2007, 07:10:49 PM

Ray's reply was really great in terms of expressing sincere concern for the Pastor's destiny and the way the Pastor is going. Ray's rebuttal was powerful and spoken in such a way to give a very clear opportunity to Pastor Adam to repent of his allegiances to lies and deceptions. Look! Pastor Adam does not want to change or read anything that will convict him. He RUNS FROM THE LIGHT! into snarling self righteousness and the rags of wretched poverty as he tries to slander, twist and deflect what Ray is teaching.

Ray does not deny the Pastors allegations he REFUTES them with the Word of God which gives the clear signal to change to the Pastor. If the Pastor doesn't repent it is because God is saving him for wrath and for now has given him up to his own reprobate mind. For us then we are able to see by contrast what is righteous and what is unrighteous.

Ray is a ray of God's own light! He is God's son. Fearless, bold and laying down his life knowing the wolves and discerning and exposing their guises and disguises, Ray is an Ambassador of Christ in the truest sense that I have ever been blessed to see and been blessed to receive his insights and disclosures of what he knows about God and His Son freely given.

Our teacher Ray is certainly no hireling of the sheep! Thank you Christ Jesus for the Ray given to us as our teacher of Your Way Your Truth and Your Life.

Peace be to you

Arcturus :)
Title: Re: Pa$tor Adam
Post by: Robert on June 08, 2007, 07:47:44 PM
Yes, I agree with you.
Even if we took a basic teaching about the life of Christ, it is plain to see that Christ never sinned. It is an essential doctrine and all through scripture. Now this (seminary trained) ‘pastor’ has the audacity to suggest that because the scriptures are ‘silent’ on the issue (!!) then Christ could have been a homosexual and everyone should tithe to the church. Unbelievable.
And further to this, like the more recent posts that parrot on and on about Ray’s alleged ‘lack’ of qualifications, they imply that Ray is a ‘dumb a@@’ and shouldn’t speak. Well the ‘dumb a@@’ just spoke to Balaam.
Title: Re: Pa$tor Adam
Post by: gmik on June 08, 2007, 08:45:14 PM
Funny Robert :D

I have known a fair share of "pastors" in my day, and they may not agree at all w/ Ray, but I don't think they would be so rude and insulting. Some of his detractors curse and "damn" him to "hell".  What is that all about??

Boy, the quickest way to get them riled is tithing!!!!  And this guy admits he didn't even read ALL the article.  I printed out the whole thing. It was that good!! 8)

There is more meat in Ray's answers than people get in a life time of preaching!!  And his e mail answers are just the hors'doeurvers (sp), his papers are the rest of the meal.
Title: Re: Pa$tor Adam
Post by: jER on June 09, 2007, 03:50:48 AM
Personally, I rather like Ray's - Resume'.
It does not contain false degrees, or doctrines.

- Jer
Title: Re: Pa$tor Adam
Post by: dogcombat on June 09, 2007, 09:39:50 AM
What's notable is that this "Pa$tor" admitted he didn't read the Tithing artile because he "didn't read a lot of fiction".  How interesting, he sure as I'm sitting here, read a lot of it(fiction) from somewhere in order to toss it at Ray.  (Same with "Vicky"). It is written "For the light shines and the darkness comprehends it not."  Truly sad

Title: Re: Pa$tor Adam
Post by: Robert on June 09, 2007, 06:59:52 PM
Perfectly stated, Ches.
Makes you wonder where he got trained doesn’t it?
Title: Re: Pa$tor Adam
Post by: GODSown1 on June 11, 2007, 02:13:55 AM
um!! wher is dis Pastor Adam fing?? lol! Im sorry! I missed it, will b most appreciated lol!.
             muchLOVE!! Pera

ps. could do wit a real good laugh!! lol! PeaCE!!
Title: Re: Pa$tor Adam
Post by: Robert on June 11, 2007, 03:09:19 AM
Have a look at 'e-mails to Ray' it's headed 'tithing.... read'. It must be the worst reason I've ever heard about tithing. His reply to Ray (where we find out he's a pastor) is even worse. Some of us are doubting he is a pastor, you decide.
Title: Re: Pa$tor Adam
Post by: Kat on June 11, 2007, 11:44:05 AM

Hi Pera,

Here is a link to the post  :),4572.0.html

mercy, peace, and love
Title: Re: Pa$tor Adam
Post by: mari_et_pere on June 11, 2007, 12:21:36 PM
You know what? I got to thinking about Pastors I've known over the years, and I've got to detract my statement. This Pastor Adam probably really is a pastor. Sadness. Guys like this are leading the flock. Truely humbling that people can hold such stupid beliefs.

Title: Re: Pa$tor Adam
Post by: dogcombat on June 11, 2007, 02:00:01 PM
That's right Matt,

That's why scripture calls such beliefs Idols of the heart.  And they must be repented of.

Title: Re: Pa$tor Adam
Post by: GODSown1 on June 11, 2007, 08:07:05 PM
Hey! Thanks Kat,
                      I need a Good laugh! lol! :D
                      muchLOVE!! Pera
Title: Re: Pa$tor Adam
Post by: GODSown1 on June 11, 2007, 09:55:55 PM
lol!! WoW!! wota KraZy!! dude lol!,               
                                           aw! well he suits da Pastor tag lol! krazy! stufF, Thank GOD 4 Ray in all his GOD given knowledge & Wisdom, Thank U Thank U Thank U, GODBLESS! uZ! alL.
                                            muchLOVE!! Pera