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[Stevernator]

"And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication" (Rev. 14:.
From    http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D2.htm

"For by fire and by His sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many. They that sanctify themselves and purify themselves in the garden behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse shall be consumed together. For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather ALL NATIONS and tongues; and they shall come and see My Glory" (Isa. 66:16-18).

What would my readers think if I were to tell them that many of our most prominent leaders (including our Presidents, Cabinet members, Generals, Scientists, heads of industry, entertainers, media magnates, leading bankers, and even foreign heads of state, sanctify themselves and purify themselves in the garden behind one tree in the midst, and actually and literally, make sacrifice to some dumb, giant, stone idol. You would call me crazy. Surely you would think that I josh. After all, none of our leaders are that brazenly superstitious, stupid, or abominable. You would think it totally absurd for even one such prominent leader to ever partake of such a pagan ritual, let alone hundreds and thousands of such leaders.

I assure you that I am not joshing. There is just such a place and just such a pagan idol sacrifice that takes place annually, and you will be shocked to find out just who it is that attends this pagan ritual of purification in the garden behind one tree in the midst of a giant Redwood forest.

Other Bohemian members and guests include: George P. Shultz, Gerald R. Ford, Henry Kissinger, William F. Buckley, Jr., Merv Griffin, Joseph Coors, Edward Teller, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Casper W. Weinberger, Colin Powell, Newt Gingrich, Frank Popoff, Danny Glover, Alexander Haig, Chuck Yeager, Donald Rumsfeld, TV personality Chris Matthews, gay porn star Chad Savage, Charlton Heston, Jack London, Art Linkletter, Jimmy Carter, Dwight Eisenhower, and hundreds of other prominent politicos, businessmen, military leaders, and foreign heads of state and dignitaries.

I merely present a few facts concerning this strange ritual in the forest without lending credence to either of two broad interpretations of what this Club represents: pagan rituals with gross immorality involving prostitution and drunkenness, or just a little fun in the sun for high level movers and shakers to relax for a few weeks. But I think we seriously have to ask ourselves, of the thousands of possible settings and themes for a high level elitists men's club: why a sacrifice to a giant pagan idol in the woods to purge themselves of the cares of this world? And why are many of these same barons of politics, industry, and media also members of the Freemasons, Skull and Bones, and similar ghastly and secret fraternities.   

also George W. Bush is part of it too.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, the ancient serpent called Adversary and Satan, who is deceiving the whole inhabited earth. It was cast into the earth, and its messengers were cast with it

You can see the mock ritual sacrifice here               http://youtube.com/watch?v=RfsYS8gnEW8                     
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Wow Babylon is way more widespread than I knew! I'm starting to believe some of these conspiracy theories. :

What do you guys think? Is Satan really deceiving the whole world? I used to be unsure of the existence of Satan but now... hmm.  Please let me know if I am just nuts. 

Peace,
Steve

[Kat]

Hi Steve,

Rev 12:9  So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; 

If you have not had your eyes opened to this Truth being taught at BT, then you are deceived.  I'm not saying Ray is the only one who is teaching it, but he has yet to learn of any others.   
And even those of the elect were also once deceived, as it really is the "whole world."

Titus 3:3  For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived...

mercy, peace and love
Kat

[gmik]

Ray wrote about the bohemian grove club in one of his last papers.  I looked it up on google and wikipedia.  Then I watched an entire video about a guy who snuck in.  Ray was right on!!

[Stevernator]

Yeah, the Alex Jones guy. He is a big NWO conspiracy theorist but I am not sure about some of his claims.

He filmed their elaborate ritual called the cremation of care where robed priests sacrifice a human effigy in fire to a giant idol of an owl, with music, pyrotechnics, dialogue from speakers, revelry, direct references to Tyre, Babylon and some druidic lore. This stuff is like something from dungeons and dragons. If it was just some ppl out in the woods I would be like hmm thats odd. But when US presidents (both Bushes, Reagan, Nixon, Ford etc), Dick Cheney, Collin Powell, corporate CEOS, high ranking ppl in national media, defense contractors, leader of the House, and various other politicians and powerful bankers are a part of Bohemian club then I was like whoa... And they had a gay porn star at one of the events there hmm. (Not that I have anything against homosexuals in particular) And then we listen to presidents talk openly about God. Well you can either worship God or a giant owl but not both. Even if they are not serious, I think a true Christian would get the heck out of there. I don't mean to go into politics but I just thought it eye-opening to see leaders involved in Canaanite pagan rituals.
If any of you are interested just google or youtube bohemian grove.

From this site where you can read more (dont know how credible it is, decide for yourself)
Antony C. Sutton, editor of an excellent monthly newsletter, Phoenix Letter, stated in the October, 1996 edition:

“Up to a few months ago, our knowledge of Bohemian Grove, the exclusive elitist hideaway by supposedly adult wheeler dealers, a.k.a. Washington statesman and prominent people (all male).

We dismissed the behavior as immature, even pitiful, by emotionally disturbed juveniles and not worth attention. This is where Kissinger, Ford, Nixon, Bechtel, Bush, Cheney, Hoover and their friends (2600 members) hang out and “relax.” And if they want to behave as little boys that is their privilege, it is private property.

Recent information may radically change this perception of Bohemian Grove. Not merely drunkenness, unbounded use of alcohol and drugs with vague homosexual tones (confirmed by our sources) but reported activities much more serious – kidnapping, rape, paedophilia, sodomy, ritual murder. Investigation is blocked under the 1947 National Security Act.(!) and like the Omaha child abuse case, includes illegal detention of children.

For decades, there have been vague rumors of weird goings on in Bohemian Grove in more remote parts of its 2200 acres. Reliable reports claim Druidic like rituals - druids in red hooded robes marching in procession and chanting to the Great Owl (Moloch) - a funeral pyre with “corpses”. (Scores of men work in the Bohemian Grove as servants so this party is fairly well established.)


Rev 18:2 And he cries with a strong voice, saying, "It falls! It falls! Babylon the great! And it became the dwelling place of demons and the jail of every unclean spirit and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird,
Rev 18:3 for, as a result of the wine of the fury of her prostitution have all the nations fallen. And the kings of the earth commit prostitution with her ,and the merchants of the earth are rich as a result of her power to indulge.
Wow!

Peace,
Steve

[gmik]

 
Wow! is right.  It seems sooooo unbelievable.  Yet there it is.

[hebrewroots98]

Yes, I have that video tape from Alex Jones who is out of Austin Tx...the one whom snuck in there; pretty weird imo; what is the point in burning human EFFIGIES???  I mean, just a huge paper mache' effigie of a human being???  I know that it is idol worship, but, seriously, what are these DIGNITARIES thinking?  It is all so sickening to me...it is occultic, pagan, idol worship, satanic, immoral, against the law, child abuse, sexual perversion, drunkenness....just to name a few things!  Satan surely has them blinded!  I guess their HIGH STATUS in this world made them drunk with arrogance and pride? Lord have mercy!

[gmik]

Also, when watching that video, along w/ everything you said Susan, I also thought, uck how boring!!!!

Also, how do we know for sure it was effigies an not real people they were burning?  I wouldn't put anything past them!

[Kent]

If you have not had your eyes opened to this Truth being taught at BT, then you are deceived.  I'm not saying Ray is the only one who is teaching it, but he has yet to learn of any others.   

That quote disturbe me. Ray has no lock on truth. I still thank God for him. But there are others, here's one:

*links not allowed*

Here are some videos *link not allowed*

I recall seeing him in an interview on some news program, dont remember which one. He lost it all when he said that scripture does not teach 'eternal hell'.

Of course his pastor 'friends' demanded that he 'repent' of this 'blasphemy'.
He didnt,  But he paid a price.

[mharrell08]

That quote disturbe me. Ray has no lock on truth. I still thank God for him. But there are others, here's one:

*link not allowed*

Here are some videos *link not allowed*

I recall seeing him in an interview on some news program, dont remember which one. He lost it all when he said that scripture does not teach 'eternal hell'.

Of course his pastor 'friends' demanded that he 'repent' of this 'blasphemy'.
He didnt,  But he paid a price.

But also, in that same news program that interviewed Pearson he stated that everyone "already has salvation". The scriptures teaches that all "shall be saved". No where in scripture do you read of anyone "had or having" salvation. Kat's quote only stated that the Truth is being taught at BT. She didn't say BT only. And if one has not had their eyes opened to the Truth, then that person is deceived.


Marques

[Kent]

I know, but I am hypersensitive to those that are promoting cults. Not that I am saying Kat was doing that, I know better. But a visitor sees that, and there is room to question it, imo.

Is this website the only one out there? Is this the only way to show truth? I bet not. But it was, and is still being used, to show truth to those God chooses to show it to. Other people come to the truth about 'eternal hell' apart from this site.

Nowhere have I seen that Ray said that he is 100% correct. I have heard him say in audio files that he knows he may not be right about some things, and he is wise enough to admit it.

Now about Pearson, I dont know much about him. Just what I saw on TV, and refreshing my mind by watching those vids. IMO he is still learning (or relearning) too.

[hillsbororiver]

Hi Kent,

What you said about Mr. Pearson still learning is a very valid point and it is true of all of us. The thing that struck me about his site though was the aggressive marketing of a book for sale. This book is what he deems to be the God given revelation about Universal Salvation. How much did God charge Mr. Pearson? As you stated Mr. Pearson "paid a price" but what about the price he charges for the truth about hell and salvation?

Mat 10:7  And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
 
Mat 10:8  Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Joh 2:16  And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house a house of merchandise.

1Co 2:12  Now1161 we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Here is a quote from Mr. Pearson in regard to the life of Christ (in defense of The DaVinci Code);

While I do not necessarily believe that Jesus was married, it would not be totally unreasonable to assume that the man who said: "...whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart," may have had human attractions, as do other men, to a beautiful young woman attending
to Him in the manner scripture suggests Mary Magdalene and other women did. He was, after all, a young single man.

Scripture also says in reference to Jesus, "....we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.” If in fact He was tempted as we are, then one of the only ways He could be so without sin, would be to marry.

If Ray were to write things such as this with no scriptural authority and sell his teachings rather than "give freely" I am quite sure Kat, myself and others might have some serious issues with him as well.

His Peace to you,

Joe

[Kat]

Hi Kent,

I understand your concern and sensitivity, but I am also concerned with what a visitor may see.  Ray has stated a number of times he has not found any others teaching the Truth, without heresy.  I think people need to be aware of this, because it is easy to get tangled up in some of the teachings that are out there. Now I do believe that there most likely others with the Truth, but we do not know of any, including those you mentions, which links were not allowed.
Here are emails where Ray mentions this.

http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2335.0.html -----

    No, I don't, Barry. There is the same problem for believers worldwide. Too many churches not enough truth. There are no institutionalized denominations or churches that teach the truth of the Scriptures. I know of none.  There may be small scattered (salt) groups that teach the truth, but I am not in contact with any of them. You can if you wish join our Discussion Forum at the bottom of our home page. We have many readers from South Africa. Perhaps you can find others who believe in your area.

    God be with you,
    Ray

http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,835.0.html ----

People ask me about hundreds and hundreds of people, pastors, authors, web sites, etc. What does it matter what I think?  Of the tens of thousands of emails that I have received, and wherein I was introduced to hundreds of pastors and web sites, I have found not one that I believe teaches any of the major doctrines correctly. And that includes Pastor Murray. I have never said that there are not those who teach the truth, but so far no one has showed me anyone.

God be with you,
Ray

http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1536.0.html -----

I do not recommend any other sites.  There are dozens of sites with the name: "Christian-Universalism."  I am not sure if you had one of them in particular in mind.
As per your statement that your not wanting to read material that is "a reaction to mainline Christianity," I can only say that most of Christ's teaching was in reaction to mainline Judaism.  How many times to we read of "You have heard...but I SAY UNTO YOU.....?" and many such statements with regards to what was WRONG with the religion of Judea.
The reason that I do not recommend other sites (even Universalism sites), is because I have so far found it to be true that every site I have ever visited that has some truth, also has some damnable heresies.  I don't claim that I am 100% accurate in every word I teach--not by a long shot, but.....BUT, I don't believe that I teach ANY "damnable heresies."

God be with you,
Ray  

p.s.  I found this and wanted to add it.

The Concordant Literal New Testament (and Old Testament, however at present I do not believe it is found in one volume but soon will be). You can find this Bible by entering "Concordant Literal New Testament, or Concordant Publishing Concern in Google or any search engine.. I highly DO NOT recommend the teachings of the Concordant Publishing Concern, however. http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4426.0.html

mercy, peace and love
Kat

[gmik]

Thanks Kat for those e mails.

A couple years ago, after reading Ray's site, I did go to many UR sights.  I was excited to think that LOTS of people believe what I just learned.  But after reading alot you ususally get deeper in and then BAM there it was...something scripturally unfounded.

As for Pearson, he lost me when he said Hitler was up in heaven now hanging out w/ Jesus.  Also, he is still into the money thing, big time.  You could attend his last conference for $300.  Really.  I was on his mailing list and I got all the info!

Hmmmm....last time I checked Ray still isn't charging $ for anything!!!

[Kent]

Good points, one and all. I never said that he was right in all of his teachings, because I dont know all of what he says; but he was right about the 'eternal hell' teachings. If he still has errors, that does not surprise me at all. If Paul didn't know everything, I really doubt if anyone else knows everything.

It is up to God to point out those errors to him, just like He did to me and anyone else. And if He chooses not to? Just that 1 truth changes lives. If I learned nothing else, I wouldn't be mad at God, but I do want to learn more and I have learned more.

PS
I too dont like the idea of selling info at conferences or selling books. Freely receive, freely give, for the scriptural reasons you gave. That is a red flag, imo. But if God pulled him out of the churchianity mess he was in, He can pull him out of this too.

[winner08]

I believe that they have a few rich and powerfull leaders who run this country. Wether or not they belong to an organization or not. There's nothing I can do about it. God's giving the power to these leaders to run this country. HIS plan will be done. America WILL suffer God's wrath. These leaders are running this country into the ground and there will be hell to pay.  This is all according to God's will, and plan. At the end, these so called leaders will pay dearly for their sins.