Thanks for the info DuluthGA.
Ray's quotes in blue, mine in black:
…. God didn’t say, Adam I know you’re going to wonder where this woman came from. I put you to sleep and I took a rib, I made her. No, he could tell, he looked and saw and he said, that’s me, you come from me. How did he know that?
From observing the animals. I would imagine that after seeing a baby animal born it would be obvious to Adam that a bird begets a bird, and a cat begets a cat, etc. etc and therefore a human begets a human. Afterall, like Ray presumes, it probably would have been a long time that Adam spent naming and observing the animals. This is also where I would presume that Adam knew what a father and mother were, Gen.2:24, considering he had neither in the flesh. I also imagine this is where Adam learned the visible differences between the male, penis bearing animals, and their female, breast bearing animal counterparts.
He looked, he had something before he went to sleep.... he had something, and when he woke up and God brought him to the woman, he didn’t have it anymore. She had it! What do you suppose that was?
Eve maybe had long hair as a covering? and breasts (obviously like other mamals for nursing their young), and what was she missing that he had - obviously the male penis (like the male animals have)?
He, just like God, was male and female. God is male and female, Adam was male and female. God took the female part and made a woman out of it. Adam saw that what he had was now gone, it’s over there. She came from me, that’s bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh, she came out of me.
I think Ray's mistaken here. God has no physical body, Adam did. I highly doubt that Adam was a hermaphrodite or a pseudohermaphrodite.
Now can you see any spiritual connection in all this? How God is longing for a complement, a counterpart, someone to complement someone. It says a counterpart in the Greek, a complement, or a help meet… to make him complete.
The spiritual connection I see is that God does display both male/female characteristics:
- source of life (Combination of characteristics & result of male & female's union). In the natural when the "two shall become one" their combined characteristics are turned into one new baby.
- giver of the Seed
- Nurturer
- Comforter
- Protector
- Help meet
- I'm sure the list could go on.
But let's remember, God is spirit. In the spirit, we too can posess both male and female qualities (ie: fruit of the spirit) and one day will be neither male nor female, neither married, nor given in marriage, and also one with God. Again, we're getting into speculation as to what this means - see the threads on our resurrected bodies. Do angels, part of the heavenly host, have reproductive organs or do their bodies look like a Ken/Barbie doll below the belt, including the exclusion of an anus?? Do angels have belly buttons?? Speculation that I just don't know the answer to at this point.
That’s what God is longing for. Where is it going to come from? Out of Him. He has one Son, Jesus Christ, we are sons in the making.
Sons and Daughters, more accurately children of God. Regardless of our "gender thinking" we will always be children of God, even when we've become perfected after the resurrection - just like in the natural we grow up and move out from under our parents authority, but will always be biologically sons & daughters. Spiritually, when we grow up we are not under the authority of the Mosaic Law, but under the Law of the Spirit, we become one with God. Here on earth we are not yet perfected, but then we shall be.
…In the Hebrew the word is # 6763 – tsela, and it can be translated ‘rib’ and ‘door side’ and ‘chamber.’ In Ezekiel, 10 times this same word translated rib is translated chamber. A chamber-maid is usually someone who tends to the house, but specifically the bedroom. If you look up chamber, the definition is a private room. The bedroom is your most private room. Our sexual anatomy is called our private parts. Can you put it together? This is not a rib. He took the femininity from him and made a woman. First He put it in the man, and then He took it from the man and made a woman out of it.
Again, I think this is grasping at straws. I don't think that Adam was a hermaphrodite/pseudohermaphrodite. The word can be translated as rib and when left as that it still makes just as perfect sense. God made Adam out of dust; I'm sure an actual rib wouldn't be much of a stretch for God. Remember the vision in Ezk.37? God can take bones out of the "valley" and cover them in flesh. (Does valley of the shadow of death ring a bell seeing as we're talking types?) Do you think Adam was actually missing anything visible? Only breasts would be visibly missing - Remember the hair (pubic too) is a covering. The idea that Adam had internal sexual organs ie: uterus/overies that were removed would not be a visible thing, even on Eve. Nor would the horomones which largely determine our physical traits that differ between man/woman.
On a happy note, I can agree with Ray saying the correct translation would include the phrase "Now at last" or to that effect at the beginning of the verse 2:23.
Just my opinion, so take it as you will.
Your brother in Christ,
G.
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