Hi again Hunter,
Here is more from the Mobile conference last year.
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NEXT YEAR’S CONFERENCE
I am going to talk about Genesis the first chapter. If I can get it done in a year. I want to talk about the creation days. How long were the creation days? When did the dinosaurs live? How old is the earth and how do we know? Does science contradict the Scripture?
This is going to be an amazing study. This is going to blow you away, because most of you have not heard anything that I’m going to teach. Some of you have not heard anything for sure, but all of you will learn something that you did not already know. I don’t know of anybody else that knows this right now, except me and I’m thankful to God for it.
But I’m telling you I’ve had my eyes opened to a few things here this past year and it’s not what everybody thinks. It’s not like the scientist think, that is those that are still under the delusion of Darwinism, the species from a common origin and all that. It’s not like the preachers preach. So what is it all about? Well I’m beginning to understand it and it’s just amazing. This is absolutely amazing!
I’m going to cover 2 points here and a couple of hints too.
If you say, ‘okay Ray, so you’re going to show me that we’ve got historical, scriptural and logical reasons to believe that the books we have in the Bible are books that God inspired and He wanted us to have and so forth? That these are indeed the Holy Books of the Bible? But are they really from some supernatural source? I mean maybe Moses did write the Law and Isaiah did write the books of Isaiah and Jeremiah and Solomon wrote the Psalms, maybe they did. They are wonderful writings and there are cute little proverbs and clichés and whatever. It’s all nice stuff, it’s all good, but this hardly tells me that some great Creator God of the universe wrote this.’
I just want to show you 2 things. Very simple things, but there is just no way to understand it, except that this is come from a divine source.
So we have the theologians poking fun at the scientist. They say, ‘it is so stupid that they think that the earth is billions of years old. Don’t they know that God made it in 6 days.‘
All these theologians they look at all this stratification of the earth that took millions of years to form and say, ‘it was Noah’s flood. Just open your Bible, it’s Noah flood, it laid down all the stratas, it’s so simple.’
No paleface, it’s not that simple.
The theologians with this simple little fairytale, Jeannie in a bottle theory, is not true. The scientist thinking that all this came about without some sort of superior, intelligent, powerful, almighty, wise source, is also not true. But there is an element of truth in both. Theologians except that there is a God. That He did create the heavens and the earth.
Evolutionist and/or most scientist will try to tell you how it came about without intelligence. But much of there research is true. I mean when they go out and say they found this earth’s strata and based on different isotope measurements of different elements that have radiation. These things are shooting off radiation at different rates and it can be measured. They then say this strata is 800 million years old. 800 million! It can’t even be 8000 according to theologians. Well is all that scientific jargon gobbledygook or do they know a little bit about what they are talking about?
I mean it is scientist that invented computers, automobiles, rocket ships and pacemakers. It is scientist that do this not theologians. Most theologians do not invent lasers, scientist do. So don’t think that all scientist are stupid or something. You know when we say, ‘you don’t need to be a rocket scientist,’ why do we say that? Why do we use that terminology? Because to be a rocket scientist you’ve got to have more formulas and more knowledge about physics and quantum math, engineering, general science, specific science and specialized science, than you can shake a stick at. These men are absolute geniuses.
You take a rocket ship that weights 100 million lbs. and you lift it up at 3 mph, perfectly straight and it doesn’t waver, they use to. Remember those early films, they start going up and then off to the side and boom. Now they make huge rockets, as big around as this room and they just lift up at 2 -3 mph, then they go faster, straight as an arrow, how do they do that? Well there is a little science involved and it takes more than a child’s really big gyroscope, remember those? It’s a little more to it than that.
Many scientist are just geniuses. If you have a PHD in applied physics from MIT, then you are in a small category of people, you have got to know something.
But I’m going to show you 2 things that the Bible says that science has only discovered in recent years. Moses didn’t figure this stuff out. He wasn’t out experimenting on the farm, to figure this stuff out, by no means.
THE BIG BANG OR A GOD AWESOME BLAST
Psalms 18:15 Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered, at Thy rebuke, O Lord, at THE BLAST of the breath of Your nostrils.
This is figurative language of course, but lets pay attention to the words anyway. He is likening a real powerful force as being what? A BLAST from the nostrils of God. A BLAST. You see the same thing in II Samuel.
2 Samuel 22:16 Then the channels of the sea appeared, The foundations of the world were laid bare, at the rebuking of the Lord, at THE BLAST of the breath of His nostrils.
Exo 15:8 And with THE BLAST of Your nostrils the waters were gathered together; the floods stood upright like a heap; the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea.
How? By the BLAST of God’s breath/nostrils. So God says He uses “A BLAST” to do big things. So I’m going to be a little silly here, but making a point as well. I was thinking the other day, what is the difference if science says there was a ‘Big Bang’ and I say there was a God awesome blast. What’s the difference? Can you see the similarity? Scientist all know now that it started with a big bang, I say could that be like a God awesome blast? Let’s look at this blast. Where did they come up with the Big Bang? The universe is expanding. When did they learn that? They really first began to understand that back in about 1960. I mean I was already full-grown, I was out of high school. That’s when they really started to understand this, not a hundred years ago, not 2 or 3 hundred years ago, not in the days of Copernicus (16th century Polish Astronomer), not in the days of Galileo (17th century Italian physicist and astronomer). A couple of decades ago they learned this. So where did they come up with the Big Bang though? If the universe is expanding, if the stars and galaxies are moving out….
STARS - GALAXIES - THE UNIVERSE
What is the difference between a star, a galaxy and the universe?
A star is one single body, like the sun. Our sun is a star.
A cluster of stars in a given area with a lot of void around it is a galaxy. Most galaxies have about 100 billion stars. We belong to the Milky Way galaxy. It is so big that it take light starting at one end, going at 600 million mph (that is the speed of light -186,000 miles a second), that is like going around the earth 8 times in a second. So you could travel in a spaceship going 186,000 miles a second and it would take you 100,000 years to reach the end of our galaxy.
Yet if you back up in space, our galaxy looks like one star. You got to get really close and you see it’s billions of stars and they are hundreds of millions of miles apart. But if you back up in space then you will reach a point where our whole galaxy, which is a 1000,000 light years across, looks like one star. You back up a little more and you can’t even see it. Then out there, there is other galaxies, that looks like a star from our Milky Way, but it’s not a star, it‘s another galaxy, billions of miles away. Like Andromeda, that’s one of the closest galaxies.
So you have one body like the sun, that is a star. A whole group of stars clustered, is a galaxy. All the galaxies combined is the universe.
So they discovered that the stars and galaxies are flying apart, at terrific speed. They learned that through the dipolar theory. When sound or light is approaching you, the frequency is higher. If you are moving away from it, the frequency is lower. What they found is that these distant stars have a lower frequency and so they are moving away. So if the stars are all moving away from each other, then so many years before that, they were here (hands stretched apart). Then so many thousands of years before that, they were here ( hands closer together). And so many millions of years before that, they were there (hands together). Common sense says if they are going out like this (hand stretching out) at one time they were back here (hands together). That’s the Big Bang! It started at a common origin, that’s all it’s saying. It sounds like a science fantasy, ‘the Big Bang.’ No, it’s just a clever way…by using a statement to show a scientific theory, that if everything is going apart, the further you go back the closer it was together. It’s only natural that it started at one place and that’s why it’s moving apart from where it started. That’s the Big Bang.
Now notice this in Psalms.
Psalms 104:2 Who cover Yourself with light as with a garment, Who STRETCH OUT the heavens like a curtain.
What? You read that and you say that’s kind of poetic talk of King David in the Psalms. But it isn’t just King David though.
Isa 40:21 “Have you not known? Have you not heard? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?
v. 22 It is He who sits upon (it should be above) the circle of the earth…”
How did they know the earth was a circle? Some of the most intelligent scientist in all of Great Brittan, just a couple hundred years ago, they thought it was flat. How come the Bible knew it was a circle? That’s not my point though. Continuing in verse 22.
“…And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who STRETCHES OUT the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in (or under).”
It’s like a great tent, under this canopy, this celestial tent. But it says “stretches” it’s in the indefinite, like the Greek aorist tense. Much of King James has it properly, some times it doesn’t though, in key scripture lot of times it doesn’t.
John 3:16 “For God so LOVED the world…” NO, that’s not what it says in the Greek. He didn’t ‘loved’ the world once and now He doesn’t. It’s in the aorist tense. “For God thus LOVES” He loved them, He loves all along, He loves now, He will love in the future. It’s indefinite, it’s the past - present - future tense. “God so loves the world…” You see that’s how it should be translated. Any scholar knows that this is indefinite.
The Concordant version translates it “who is stretching out…” Now that really puts it in the present, Young’s has the same.
Isa 40:22 “…Who is (present tense - now is) stretching out as a thin gauze the heavens…” (CLV)
How could they say that? How would any one know that the heavens are being stretched out? Any logical person, being a Godly man or atheist, if he was to consider that somebody did make the heavens, they would say, ‘well up there is a star and somebody made it.’ Where did He make it? ‘Well right there where it is.’ There are stars on the other side of the earth, looking the other way. Up there is the moon. Where did He make the moon, over in Palestine or down in Africa? ‘Well there, that’s where it is, so that’s where He made it.’ Here’s the sun, well where did He make the sun? ‘Right there, where it is, that’s where He made the sun.’ Anybody would see that. That’s the only logical conclusion that your brain could come to. Where ever it is, if there is a God, that’s where He made it.
But that’s not what the Bible says. The Bible says, “He is (present tense) stretching out…the heavens.” How could they know that?! The best scientist in the world didn’t know that until just a couple years ago. This is amazing stuff. This is mind boggling stuff. The writers knew that the heavens are moving out. You can’t see that. It takes the most sophisticated knowledge and instruments that science could come up with in thousands of years to finally measure that they are moving. Yet Isaiah and King David they knew it thousands of years ago. It’s unbelievable, it’s just unbelievable. Now this is very specific and it’s very scientific.
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I don’t know, it’s just like God shows me things. Like when I started looking and I wanted to know about the land and the mountains. It doesn’t say God made any mountains back there in Genesis you know. He made the dry land and He made the sea, then He made trees and all the animals. But it doesn’t say anything about mountains or valleys in the first two chapters of Genesis. You have to go up to Noah’s flood until you find the word mountain. So when God created the heavens and the earth, did He make mountains? When He made the earth did He put mountains on the earth? If God didn’t make mountains, where did they come from? In the flood the waters covered them, it didn’t created them. The earth made mountains! God made the heavens and the earth and the earth makes it’s own mountains. God didn’t make mountains, He made the earth that makes mountains. How long does it take to make mountains? Billions of years. So is the earth 6000 years old? No.
Now that was a really fascinating study. My wife is working on a degree and she has a geography book. I started reading and I learned a lot from that book. But on TV they have this series about how the earth and the continents were made. The earth makes mountains, it then wears them down, then they go under the ground and into the volcanoes and then they come back up again. It’s kind of like when you make dough, it rises and then you punch it down and it rises a second time.
Granite for example, where did granite come from? Granite is a mountain that went through a volcano twice. How long did that take? Billions of years. They know about this and I studied it and I can see it. You got your igneous rocks, sedimentary rocks and metamorphic rocks.
But we talk about some of these things and we relate it to the Bible. We see how God made the universe and the earth and humanity and maybe a little bit of where it’s going. We are not going to die and go to heaven and sing gospel music on some rock in outer space. Trust me, we’re not. That is strictly fairy tale nonsense.
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I know it takes hundreds and hundreds of years for a acorn to turn into a giant oak tree. Why does it take so long? I think part of it has to do with this earth thing I was telling you about. God takes hundreds of years to grow a tree. The Bristlecone pine trees in California, do you know that some are almost 5000 years old? A 5000 year old tree. It was alive long before Moses came across the Red Sea, it was full grown by then. Thousands of years old.
Why does God take billions of years to build mountains? I mean He could do it quickly, but He doesn’t. That’s the whole point, He doesn’t. You say, ‘well I wish He did. It would make more sense if God would do the magic trick, like I always thought. Boom, there’s the stars, boom the earth, boom the mountains and hills.’ What is greater is how He did do it.
It’s one thing for 100 construction men to go out and they build a big building or something. It’s another thing to level off a piece of land and carry out all the materials and have the building build itself. Imagine that. Just say, ‘okay go.’ Anybody can get a group of men and build a building. But put the materials out there and I’m going to tell the building to build itself. That’s what God does. He says, ‘watch this, I create what’s necessary. I give the raw materials, but watch this. The earth is going to create itself, over billions of years.’ Why does He do that? I only have some glimpses into it.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat