Hi Eileen,
Well obviously this guy Jack, is blind to the Truth. He simply can not see what is being explained by Ray, so he resorts to ridiculing. He makes a lot of mute points, not disproving Ray nor proving what he believes, as with his long pointless post on the Trinity.
This is one glaring point Jack makes showing his lack of substance and simply doesn't believe Scripture.
"L. Ray Smith rants and raves with sophomoric sarcasm against the doctrine of eternal punishment. He also insists evil was “created” by God."Here is the Scripture;
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace,
and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
I don't think you will get anywhere in debating this with him, he is totally deceived, as was evident is his post.
Who is God the Father?" and he says Jesus is God but not the Father etc etc and I am like What? I don't get it.
Here is a couple of email that I think will help you with this.
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I think it would help people a lot if they could understand that "God" is not the personal first name of Jesus' Father. Jesus' Father IS GOD. That is, He is the One and only Supreme Diety of the Universe. It is His power, and glory, and knowledge, and wildom, and love that makes Him God. But God has a Son. He came out of the Father just as any child comes out of his father (John 16:28; John 8:42; etc.).
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Dear Scott:
Who said that "Jesus isn't equal with God?" Jesus is in the very IMAGE OF GOD:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
I Cor. 4:4--"...the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God..."
Heb 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of His person.."
Phi 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Jesus, however, is NOT His Own Father, and will always be in subjection to His Father:
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him [His Father] that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
God be with you,
Ray
[2nd reply to Scott]
What I teach regarding Jesus being "God" and the Scriptures I quoted to you regarding that, is what I believe. It is the Scriptures that I believe, not "my stance." And it is not "I" who "are so avid about the Father being greater than Jesus." As you conceded, it was Jesus Himself Who made that statement.
Think of "God" as being a Family. Does not a "father" and a "son" constitute in any way what we understand to be a family relationship? Christ's FATHER is greater than Christ Who is His SON. Yet they are both THE ONE GOD. Jesus also confirms this, doesn't He? "I and My Father are ONE: (John 10:30). In being ONE, Jesus is "equal" with His Father. "ALL power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth" (Matt. 28:18). Ask yourself: "WHO is the possessor of "ALL power in heaven and in earth?" WHO might that be? Satan? Some Angel? Or GOD? And Who are we told is that "God" Who possesses "ALL power in heaven and in earth?" JESUS. Then JESUS MUST BE GOD. I really don't know what else to say about this, Scott. I receive dozens and dozens and dozens of criticisms regarding this, and all I do is quote the Scriptures and state that I believe the Scriptures, and show why I believe the Scriptures. I don't know what else I can do to help you.
God be with you,
Ray