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bible man

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book of enoch
« on: May 26, 2009, 05:14:19 PM »

ok thanks you guys, im the new guy go easy  many of my questions are not even questions.  the reason i ask them are to hear another opinion on topics many disagree on  the book jude talks of a prophesy that is not found in the 66 books does this mean other books could be inspired as well?

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Re: book of enoch
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2009, 05:38:17 PM »

Hi bible man

here's an email from Ray that might go some way to answering your question.

Here's Ray's comment from his website:

My name is Michael,

I'd like to find out about the book of Jasher written twice in the bible. I know there are 66 books but why would they talk about this book which is in the bible. Is it incomplete?

Thanks, Mike

[Ray Replies]

Dear Mike:

The Bible is complete as we have it. There are any number of books that are not in the canon as it is preserved today, that undoubtedly contain truths. The fact that they are not all in the Bible as we know it today does not mean that the Bible is not complete. Jude speaks of the prophesies of Enoch, yet we do not have these prophesies in our Bibles today (Jude 14).  If I were you, I wouldn't worry about "The Lost Books of Eden" and such things. Study the Bible that you do have.

God be with you,


bible man

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Re: book of enoch
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2009, 05:43:40 PM »




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Re: book of enoch
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2009, 05:53:33 PM »

Hi Bible man,

Ray had a conference a few years ago where he discussed the Topic 'How We Got The Bible' in great detail.  Here is an excerpt from the transcript.,5815.0.html -------

22 Is A Number Of Completeness

The number 22 completes the Hebrew alphabet.  All that can be said can be said using these 22 letters.  You can write every book there is with 22 letters.  So the idea being everything that God had to say to us in the Old Testament Hebrew Scriptures could be said in those 22 letters and itís done in 22 books.  God always has a purpose for numbers and things like that.
So we have got 22 books with the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet in the Old Testament.  Now that God has a new revelation, He is going to use a new language.  At least as far as we know the language was Greek.  But some insist Matthew was written in Hebrew, we donít know that for a fact.  I donít think we can prove that.  

But just like Ezra and Nehemiah closed out the Old Testament canon, we are going to see that Peter and John close out the New Testament.

Now the Catholic church knew that the canon was complete long before they came on the scene with their Ecumenical Councils.  II Peter makes it clear that Peter knew what was Scripture, and John finalized everything.  Just as Ezra penned the last book (II Chronicles) of the Old Testament,  John penned the Last book of the New Testament (Revelation).
General epistles James, Peter, John and Jude should come before Paul's epistles.  They were first to teach, first in authority (Acts 15) and first in teaching the milk of God's Word, followed by Paul's strong meat of God's Word.

                             SEVEN CANONIZATION PERIODS

1.  Moses
2.  David and Solomon
3.  Isaiah and Hezekiah
4.  Jeremiah and Josiah
5.  Ezra and Nehemiah
6.  Peter
7.  John

So the canonization fell to Peter and John.

We read of John, He instructs him in Revelation 1:1 ďWhat you see, write in a bookÖĒ  So somehow that book (Revelation) had to join up with all the other books, as did I, II and III John and the Gospel of John.  So John wrote 5 books; I John, II John, III John, The Gospel of John and Revelation.  

I said there was 22 books written by 66 AD and by the end of Johnís ministry, he added 5 more.  

22 +5 = 27  + 22 OT books, all total 49.  

7 x 7 = 49 = total completion.  

Thatís how many books there are suppose to be, thatís how many we have.  So weíve got the complete Bible.

Of course this is just a smidgen of what was revealed at that conferecne.  Here is a link to the audios

November 2007 Mobile Conference - How We Got The Bible 1 11_03_07.mp3 2 11_03_07.mp3 3 11_03_07.mp3 4 11_03_07.mp3 5 11_03_07.mp3 6 11_03_07.mp3 7 11_04_07.mp3 8 11_04_07.mp3 9 11_04_07.mp3

mercy, peace and love


bible man

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Re: book of enoch
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2009, 06:02:28 PM »

thanks kat this is wonderful i love this site!!!
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