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daywalker:
--- Quote from: bible man on May 28, 2009, 05:03:35 PM ---bros and sisters in christ please dont misunderstand my search for truth based on how i "word" questions i have been blessed greatly by many answers,but i am troubled by the fact scriptures i have presented may have been ignored. please dont take my post as words of strife.. heres the scriptures you asked for 1cor7:28 seek not,not means to no degree! Rom 7:1- SAYS BOUND TO DEATH! Are we to ignore these truths?? LOVE U GUYS
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So.. are you implying that the Scriptures you presented "contradict" what Christ said?
Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
These are the words of Christ, right? He's not saying that you should divorce if your spouse cheats on you, he's just saying it's allowed to. These don't contradict your Scriptures, though you may think they do..
Let's see if I can clear it up for you:
When a man and woman become married, they each make a "vow" to each other. They make a "covenant"--which includes not having sexual relations with any other person "tell death do they part"...
Okay, now, when one of them goes out and fornicates with someone else, he/she has now BROKEN THE VOW. The "covenant" that he/she made has now been made VOID. Thus, the reason God allows for a 'divorce'--because the Covenant has ALREADY been broken.
Now, that doesn't mean you HAVE to get a divorce. It means you are 'allowed' to--and it won't be held against you.
You already have your answer, you are just unwilling to accept it. May God guide you,
Daywalker. 8)
kenny:
This is one subject that bears witness to many and it is a hard subject because it has hardened many hearts and will continue to until this age ends
Jesus' words;Mar 10:5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
Mar 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
In the beginning it was not so, Man(humans) came up with that one (divorce), to cover up his hard heart,"period".
bible man:
Kenny, you hit it on the head! from the beginning it was not so!! bound until death,not bound until someone cheats! by the way romans 7 still has not been addressed,nevermind why i asked the question, what about til death do us part. I WILL CHANGE THE TOPIC DUE TO RUFFLING SOMEBODYS FEATHERS lol!
aqrinc:
--- Quote from: bible man on May 28, 2009, 05:03:35 PM ---bros and sisters in christ please dont misunderstand my search for truth based on how i "word" questions i have been blessed greatly by many answers,but i am troubled by the fact scriptures i have presented may have been ignored. please dont take my post as words of strife.. heres the scriptures you asked for 1cor7:28 seek not,not means to no degree! Rom 7:1- SAYS BOUND TO DEATH! Are we to ignore these truths?? LOVE U GUYS
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--- Quote from: bible man on May 28, 2009, 11:30:59 PM ---Kenny, you hit it on the head! from the beginning it was not so!! bound until death,not bound until someone cheats! by the way romans 7 still has not been addressed,nevermind why i asked the question, what about til death do us part. I WILL CHANGE THE TOPIC DUE TO RUFFLING SOMEBODYS FEATHERS lol!
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bibleman,
Please do not make sport of things you do not yet understand, just to satisfy some desire to win an argument. I laid out Romans 7: 1-18 for you to read, then please state what exactly you are contending against that anyone here is condoning. The Law is Spiritual And Good, we, all of us are carnal and as such our righteousness is accounted as filthy rags.
Where is the Scripture that Says There is no bill of divorce available for adulterers or adulteresses. Several posters have already addressed your questions, yet you say not so.
Humans did not come up with that Law, it was written for humans because GOD Knows The END From The BEGINNING.
Btw, bm, have you been married and divorced?.
Isa 64: 4-7 (MKJV)
4 And from forever they have not heard, nor did they listen. Eye has not seen a God except You, who works for him who waits for Him.
5 You meet him who rejoices and works righteousness, those who remember You in Your ways. Behold, You were angry, for we sinned. In them is eternity, and we will be saved.
6 But we are all as the unclean thing, and all our righteousness es are as a menstruation cloth. And we all fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
7 And there is no one who calls on Your name, who stirs up himself to take hold of You. For You have hidden Your face from us, and have melted us away because of our iniquities.
Rom 7: 1-18 (GNB)
1 Certainly you will understand what I am about to say, my friends, because all of you know about law. The law rules over people only as long as they live.
2 A married woman, for example, is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives; but if he dies, then she is free from the law that bound her to him.
3 So then, if she lives with another man while her husband is alive, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is legally a free woman and does not commit adultery if she marries another man.
4 That is how it is with you, my friends. As far as the Law is concerned, you also have died because you are part of the body of Christ; and now you belong to him who was raised from death in order that we might be useful in the service of God.
5 For when we lived according to our human nature, the sinful desires stirred up by the Law were at work in our bodies, and all we did ended in death.
6 Now, however, we are free from the Law, because we died to that which once held us prisoners. No longer do we serve in the old way of a written law, but in the new way of the Spirit.
7 Shall we say, then, that the Law itself is sinful? Of course not! But it was the Law that made me know what sin is. If the Law had not said, "Do not desire what belongs to someone else," I would not have known such a desire.
8 But by means of that commandment sin found its chance to stir up all kinds of selfish desires in me. Apart from law, sin is a dead thing.
9 I myself was once alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life,
10 and I died. And the commandment which was meant to bring life, in my case brought death.
11 Sin found its chance, and by means of the commandment it deceived me and killed me.
12 So then, the Law itself is holy, and the commandment is holy, right, and good.
13 But does this mean that what is good caused my death? By no means! It was sin that did it; by using what is good, sin brought death to me, in order that its true nature as sin might be revealed. And so, by means of the commandment sin is shown to be even more terribly sinful.
14 We know that the Law is spiritual; but I am a mortal, sold as a slave to sin.
15 I do not understand what I do; for I don't do what I would like to do, but instead I do what I hate.
16 Since what I do is what I don't want to do, this shows that I agree that the Law is right.
17 So I am not really the one who does this thing; rather it is the sin that lives in me.
18 I know that good does not live in method is, in my human nature. For even though the desire to do good is in me, I am not able to do it.
George. :)
Kat:
Here is an excerpt from the article no. 16 - D3 Hell, 'The Sermon On The Mount is for You,' maybe this will help.
http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D3.htm --------------
[2] "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shall not commit adultery" (Matt. 5:27).
Yes, this one is also found in the Old Testament Law of Moses (Ex. 20:14).
"But I say unto you, that whosoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart" (Matt. 5:28).
But that statement is not found in the Old Testament. It is still a sin to commit adultery, but now it is also a sin to just "look on a woman to lust after her." And just "looking to lust," if not repented of and cut out, carries the penalty of "...your WHOLE BODY should be cast into hell [Gehenna]" (Matt. 5:30). That penalty is not in the Old Testament Law, but it is the new spiritual Law of JESUS, THE JUDGE! Jesus will spiritually judge this sin with spiritual fire.
[3] "It has been said [yes, and it is in the Old Testament too] Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement. Jesus did not contradict this law. Jesus did not do away with this law; it is still in effect. But Jesus does expound upon it.
"But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causes her to commit adultery..." (Matt. 5:32)
That is not in the Old Testament Law. Jesus did not say that there no longer is divorce, and contradict or do away with this law, but He did enlarge it.
Jesus did not say: "But I say unto you, you can never get a divorce," did He? No, He didn't, but He did bring out the spirit in this law. It was there all along, it's just that the carnal-minded Israelites didn't see it or get it. Yes, you can still get a divorce for "any reason" in most countries of the world. But you can't be Jesus' disciple if you don't obey the spiritual intent of the law which was there from the beginning. Jesus taught that it was always God's intent for a husband and wife to stay together and never part (Matt. 19:4-6). Even "...EXCEPT it be for fornication..." people should not divorce. They can divorce, and they won't be "causing her to commit adultery," but that doesn't mean that they should divorce. Try to forgive and work it out, but if not, then on these grounds, one can divorce.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
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